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Log for #openttdcoop.dev on 29th March 2010:
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11:27:49  <Tycoon> <Zuuu> hehe, found several possible improvements to my network, but at least I'll be prepaired for tonight when the game hopefully continues. I "should" work now anyways. :-)
11:28:42  <Ammler> planetmaker: this server is btw. still spamming useless net debug ;-)
11:29:01  <Ammler> do you mind, me switch that back?
11:29:14  <planetmaker> I guess I don't.
11:29:14  <Ammler> !rcon debug_level
11:29:14  <Tycoon> Ammler: Current debug-level: 'ai=0, driver=0, grf=0, map=0, misc=0, net=0, sprite=0, oldloader=0, npf=0, yapf=0, freetype=0, sl=0, gamelog=0, desync=0, console=0'
11:29:28  <planetmaker> hm. can we set it on the fly?
11:29:29  <Ammler> !rcon debug_level net=0
11:29:41  <planetmaker> !rcon debug_level desync=3
11:29:46  <planetmaker> !rcon debug_level
11:29:47  <Tycoon> planetmaker: Current debug-level: 'ai=0, driver=0, grf=0, map=0, misc=0, net=0, sprite=0, oldloader=0, npf=0, yapf=0, freetype=0, sl=0, gamelog=0, desync=3, console=0'
11:29:52  <planetmaker> :-D
11:30:00  <planetmaker> much easier than editing the cfg :-)
11:30:06  <planetmaker> I wonder whether it works
11:30:08  <Ammler> indeed :-)
11:30:20  <Ammler> desync needs recompiling
11:30:27  <Ammler> which you self said, you didn't
11:30:29  <Ammler> so no :-P
11:30:41  <planetmaker> ah...
11:30:43  <planetmaker> right
11:31:14  <Ammler> [13:29] <Tycoon> Ammler: Current debug-level: 'ai=0, driver=0, grf=0, map=0, misc=0, net=0, sprite=0, oldloader=0, npf=0, yapf=0, freetype=0, sl=0, gamelog=0, desync=0, console=0' <-- BUG
11:31:22  <Ammler> net debug was on
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11:32:09  <planetmaker> yeah
11:33:08  <planetmaker> !info
11:33:08  <Tycoon> planetmaker: #:1(Orange) Company Name: 'Supermop Transport'  Year Founded: 1969  Money: 100000  Loan: 100000  Value: 1  (T:0, R:0, P:0, S:0) unprotected
11:33:08  <Tycoon> planetmaker: #:2(Red) Company Name: 'Zuuu Transport'  Year Founded: 1920  Money: 112093  Loan: 500000  Value: 2734818  (T:51, R:23, P:3, S:8) protected
11:33:08  <Tycoon> planetmaker: #:3(Pink) Company Name: 'Bobbysepp Transport'  Year Founded: 1969  Money: 100000  Loan: 100000  Value: 1  (T:0, R:0, P:0, S:0) unprotected
11:33:08  <Tycoon> planetmaker: #:4(Yellow) Company Name: '^^'  Year Founded: 1953  Money: 748512  Loan: 360000  Value: 606560  (T:7, R:47, P:3, S:0) unprotected
11:33:08  <Tycoon> planetmaker: #:5(Green) Company Name: 'vok Transport'  Year Founded: 1924  Money: 3043409  Loan: 0  Value: 3271741  (T:23, R:29, P:0, S:0) unprotected
11:33:09  <Tycoon> planetmaker: #:6(Blue) Company Name: 'alberth Transport'  Year Founded: 1929  Money: 105083  Loan: 220000  Value: 87609  (T:29, R:16, P:0, S:2) unprotected
11:33:09  <Tycoon> planetmaker: #:7(Light Blue) Company Name: 'BlueEagle_NL Transport'  Year Founded: 1932  Money: 63409  Loan: 490000  Value: 1  (T:12, R:6, P:2, S:2) unprotected
11:33:11  <Tycoon> planetmaker: #:8(Brown) Company Name: 'Rubberline'  Year Founded: 1942  Money: 12990427  Loan: 0  Value: 13277130  (T:32, R:0, P:0, S:0) protected
11:33:11  <Tycoon> planetmaker: #:9(Purple) Company Name: 'xahodo Transport'  Year Founded: 1960  Money: 5181  Loan: 500000  Value: 1  (T:3, R:4, P:0, S:0) unprotected
11:33:13  <Tycoon> planetmaker: #:13(Cream) Company Name: 'Tsjook Unlimited'  Year Founded: 1947  Money: 137715  Loan: 500000  Value: 1  (T:0, R:9, P:0, S:0) unprotected
11:33:14  <planetmaker> !playercount
11:33:14  <Tycoon> planetmaker: Number of players: 1
11:33:29  <planetmaker> Ammler, I think it works. At least the log isn't empty anymore
11:33:36  <planetmaker> !unpause
11:33:36  <Tycoon> *** planetmaker has unpaused the server. (Use !auto to set it back.)
11:33:57  <Ammler> oh
11:34:06  <Ammler> we had the debug on both servers
11:34:07  <Ammler> :-P
11:34:13  <planetmaker> :-O
11:34:19  <Ammler> .dev and .pro
11:34:31  <planetmaker> ah, yes
11:34:37  <planetmaker> actually: Only .pro
11:34:39  <Ammler> I set it here and checked pro after :-D
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12:21:38  <Tycoon> <Kogut> hi
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12:57:12  <Tycoon> <Kogut> hi
12:57:18  <Tycoon> <Zuuu> hi
13:01:15  <Tycoon> <Zuuu> Nooo, my shares .. :-p
13:01:21  <Tycoon> <Kogut> in?
13:01:27  <Tycoon> <Zuuu> alberth transport
13:01:38  <Tycoon> <Zuuu> Though I'm unsure if I had any there right now.
13:01:41  <Tycoon> <Kogut> hmmm
13:01:59  <Tycoon> <Kogut> you should buy share in mine company
13:02:01  <Tycoon> <Zuuu> Have been usinng alberth thransport to put my money there when I don't need them.
13:02:29  <Tycoon> <Kogut> why my cargo rating is stuck on 37%?
13:02:36  <Tycoon> <Zuuu> Your shares are too expansive.
13:02:54  <Tycoon> <Zuuu> I've noticed that too. Very hard to get high ratings.
13:03:10  <Tycoon> <Kogut> probably better network is needed
13:05:26  <Tycoon> <Kogut> rubber lake-pit reached maximal production
13:05:32  <Tycoon> <Kogut> = 34
13:05:34  <Tycoon> <Kogut> %
13:06:29  <Tycoon> <Zuuu> Oh, refiting to rubber is a good idea...
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13:19:22  <Tycoon> <Kogut> I menaged to get 38 % rating on rubber
13:27:24  <Tycoon> <Kogut> ;<
13:27:34  <Tycoon> <Zuuu> ?
13:28:14  <Tycoon> <Kogut> I wasted 150k on road bridge
13:41:50  <Tycoon> <Kogut> why cargo ignore routing?
13:42:04  <Tycoon> <Kogut> On station Problem?
13:42:30  <Tycoon> <Zuuu> How is it not wrokning?
13:42:52  <Tycoon> <Kogut> cargo should be unloaded (it is via Problem)
13:43:06  <Tycoon> <Zuuu> It was just transfered :-)
13:43:09  <Tycoon> <Kogut> but it is now working whe I set transger
13:43:23  <Tycoon> <Kogut> without transfer it was ignored
13:43:42  <Tycoon> <Zuuu> I sometimes need to set it, but ideally it should work without but might take time until the next link graph update
13:43:46  <Tycoon> <Zuuu> See your minimap
13:43:53  <Tycoon> <Kogut> it is on minimap
13:44:08  <Tycoon> <Kogut> from1,5 game years
13:48:38  <Tycoon> <Kogut> I think you can sell part of rubber trains
13:49:16  <Tycoon> <Zuuu> Probably, but I've just added another factory do distribute to, hopefully that will improve my ratings.
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14:03:36  <Tycoon> <Kogut> bye
14:03:39  <Tycoon> <Zuuu> bye
14:05:44  <Tycoon> <Kogut> where you send that oil?
14:06:08  <Tycoon> <Zuuu> To Bordeaux Valley
14:06:11  <Tycoon> <Kogut> OK
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14:15:08  <Ammler> !players
14:15:10  <Tycoon> Ammler: Client 61 (Red) is Zuuu, in company 2 (Zuuu Transport)
14:15:24  <Ammler> !date
14:15:24  <Tycoon> Ammler:  2 Feb 1977
14:15:30  <Ammler> !date
14:15:30  <Tycoon> Ammler:  5 Feb 1977
14:15:38  <Ammler> not paused ;-)
14:16:11  <Ammler> [16:05] <Tycoon> <Kogut> where you send that oil?
14:16:13  <Ammler> [16:06] <Tycoon> <Zuuu> To Bordeaux Valley
14:16:28  <Ammler> Zuu, how can you send oil to a specific destination?
14:16:44  <Tycoon> <Zuuu> Because that's the only oil destination I offer.
14:16:50  <Ammler> isn't the point of this patch, cargo does chose destination self?
14:17:19  <Tycoon> <Zuuu> Saidly I only now realized that only if you offer many options you'll get good station ratings.
14:17:52  <Ammler> ah
14:17:55  <Tycoon> <Zuuu> I'm currently working on offering 2 factories for my factory primaries.
14:18:07  <Ammler> so it does chose the dest self, well a bit at least
14:18:15  <Tycoon> <Zuuu> At this date many industries are already dead.
14:18:33  <Ammler> yes, that I wondered too
14:18:44  <Ammler> industries die quite likely
14:18:56  <Tycoon> <Zuuu> Cargo will only choose among the options that you give them. The amount of cargo is not directly dependent on the amonut of options you provide.
14:19:24  <Tycoon> <Zuuu> But what I did not know the station rating seems to be dependent on the amount of options and if you only provide one you get a rating of about 38% at best.
14:19:53  <Tycoon> <Zuuu> Which I think is why many of my primaries has died.
14:19:58  <Ammler> which is good feature, imo, isn't?
14:20:06  <Tycoon> <Zuuu> It is I agree
14:20:20  <Tycoon> <Zuuu> Would be fun to play a new game when you are more aware of it.
14:20:24  <Ammler> well, they shouldn't die because of that
14:21:33  <Tycoon> <Zuuu> Hmm, xahodo teached me a good thing, don't place signals at the top of a hill :-p
14:21:46  <planetmaker> :-)
14:21:59  <planetmaker> depends upon the track direction, I guess.
14:22:18  <planetmaker> a train going uphill might not like it, though
14:22:39  <Ammler> realism :-P
14:22:48  <Tycoon> <Zuuu> I had a major jam OpenTTD-north of the mountain range because of that right now :-)
14:22:50  <Tycoon> <Zuuu> hehe
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14:24:31  <Tycoon> <Kogut> hi
14:24:50  <Tycoon> <Zuuu> hi
14:25:26  <Tycoon> <Kogut> blueeagle is dead
14:25:35  <Ammler> !url
14:25:36  <Tycoon> Ammler: http://www.openttdcoop.org/servers/mz
14:25:45  <Tycoon> <Zuuu> Unless you put in some money ;-)
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14:26:18  <Ammler> !url
14:26:18  <Tycoon> Ammler: http://www.openttdcoop.org/servers/mz
14:26:21  <Ammler> !dl
14:26:21  <Tycoon> Ammler: !dl autostart|autottd|autoupdate|deb.etch|deb.lenny|lin|lin64|source|win32|win64|win9x
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14:26:26  <Ammler> !dl source
14:26:26  <Tycoon> Ammler: http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/cargodist/g5b3732ce/openttd-cargodist-g5b3732ce-source.tar.bz2
14:26:40  <Ammler> hmm
14:26:48  <Ammler> the M is just in openttd itself?
14:26:50  <Tycoon> <Kogut> autosave
14:27:04  <Ammler> that is a bit strange
14:27:10  <Ammler> !revision
14:27:10  <Tycoon> Ammler: Game version is g5b3732ceM-cargodist
14:27:42  <Ammler> you know, did someone report that issue to the compile farm?
14:27:56  <Tycoon> <Kogut> fonso is aware about it
14:28:15  <Ammler> did he inform the CF?
14:28:31  <Tycoon> <Kogut> dunno
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14:37:25  <Tycoon> <RF> Hi, i am annoyed, yesterday i set a password for my company, and now it was gone?!?
14:37:40  <Tycoon> <Kogut> yes
14:37:51  <Tycoon> <Kogut> the same with mine company
14:37:51  <Ammler> re had to restart for debug reasons
14:37:58  <Ammler> we*
14:38:05  <Tycoon> <Kogut> now?
14:38:13  <Ammler> restarting server causes reset of company pw
14:38:25  <Tycoon> <Kogut> but no company?
14:38:44  <Ammler> after all, this is a test server, so this can happen...
14:38:52  <Tycoon> <Kogut> OK
14:38:58  <Tycoon> <Kogut> funny map
14:39:21  <Ammler> did someone destroy your company?
14:40:50  <Ammler> maybe we should change industry fund mode?=
14:40:57  <Ammler> Zuu?
14:41:09  <Tycoon> <Zuuu> hmm, I wouldn't afford it
14:41:27  <Tycoon> <Zuuu> My profit margin has floored.
14:41:45  <Ammler> ok :-)
14:41:45  <Tycoon> <Zuuu> It's getting better but nowhere good yet.
14:47:41  <planetmaker> seems to be pretty difficult thing to make profit with it :-)
14:47:48  <Tycoon> <Kogut> with?
14:48:43  <Ammler> this patch...
14:49:09  <Ammler> @topic remove -1
14:49:10  *** Webster changes topic to "#openttdcoop patch test channel - Cargo Distribution | http://wiki.openttd.org/CargoDist | STAGE: Running | Tag/Revision: g5b3732ceM-cargodist | Binaries: !download | This isn't about Developing ;-)"
14:49:11  <Ammler> @topic remove -1
14:49:11  *** Webster changes topic to "#openttdcoop patch test channel - Cargo Distribution | http://wiki.openttd.org/CargoDist | STAGE: Running | Tag/Revision: g5b3732ceM-cargodist | Binaries: !download"
14:49:31  <Tycoon> <Kogut> I have another opinion. It is just no longer super easy to earn great money
14:50:05  <Ammler> well, I guess Zuu already mentioned the issue
14:50:10  <Tycoon> <Zuuu> It's indeed much harder than default TTD, but then I think also the newgrfs + cargo weight adds it to it as well.
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14:50:49  <Tycoon> <Kogut> and that map
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14:50:57  <Tycoon> <Kogut> and that map
14:57:40  <Tycoon> <Zuuu> The nice thing with cargodest I guess is that when you get a network to work you can have trains taking cargo in both ways.
14:58:02  <Tycoon> <Kogut> ehmm
14:58:16  <Tycoon> <Zuuu> It's of course not impossible in vanlia TTD but become more intresting in cargodest.
14:58:16  <Tycoon> <Kogut> why my trains have numbers 46, 47, 48, 49 ...
14:58:30  <Tycoon> <Kogut> instead of 1,2,3
14:58:37  <Tycoon> <Kogut> there is 6
14:58:40  <Tycoon> <Zuuu> Because you have sold your 1, 2, 3 trains?
14:59:30  <Tycoon> <Kogut> but why new train get number 67?
14:59:42  <Tycoon> <Kogut> In vanilia numbers are recycled
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15:19:28  <Ammler> [16:57] <Tycoon> <Zuuu> The nice thing with cargodest I guess is that when you get a network to work you can have trains taking cargo in both ways. <-- doesn't need cargodist
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15:21:06  <Ammler> station A load -> station b unload -> depot -> station b load -> station a unload -> depot <-
15:21:28  <Tycoon> <Kogut> @Zuu - train 32
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16:02:32  <Tycoon> * Coco-Banana-Man combines watching this game (/testing CargoDist) with tasting OpenMSX :D
16:03:46  <Tycoon> <Zuuu> hmm Koguthow many buses have you sent to Le fons?
16:04:12  <Tycoon> <Kogut> 29
16:04:12  <Tycoon> <Zuuu> Perhaps demolish some town houses and make some infrastructure?
16:04:15  <Tycoon> <Kogut> no
16:04:21  <Tycoon> <Kogut> on roads
16:04:35  <Tycoon> <Zuuu> I did that when I stept into Le Fons with my buses.
16:04:55  <Tycoon> <Zuuu> The parallell street at Le Fons main station is one example.
16:04:57  <Tycoon> <Kogut> I added 15 busses
16:06:30  <Tycoon> <Zuuu> infrastructure could be roads
16:07:00  <Tycoon> <Kogut> I constrcted drive-t on existing roads
16:07:19  <Tycoon> <Zuuu> Sure, but do that with care and don't clog up the entire town.
16:07:21  <Tycoon> <Kogut> ooops
16:07:47  <Tycoon> <Zuuu> To do that you probably need to construct some new road to not clog up the town.
16:08:29  <Tycoon> <Zuuu> btw, bus stops can be draged nowdays
16:08:35  <Tycoon> <Kogut> :)
16:08:53  <Tycoon> <Zuuu> please remove the stop at the bypass-road
16:09:15  <Tycoon> <Zuuu> otherwise all will stop there anyways
16:09:25  <Tycoon> <Kogut> I mnaged to do it
16:09:29  <Tycoon> <Zuuu> good
16:10:04  <Tycoon> <Kogut> stupid yellow trams
16:10:07  <Tycoon> <Zuuu> hehe
16:10:29  <Tycoon> <Zuuu> you added 44 new vehicles to that town, previously I had 27 there plus the yellow trams
16:10:43  <Tycoon> <Zuuu> of course that will jam
16:10:51  <Tycoon> <Kogut> I work on it
16:11:53  <Tycoon> <Kogut> steep 1
16:12:15  <Tycoon> <Kogut> good idea with that train
16:12:41  <Tycoon> <Kogut> busses are ok
16:14:08  <Tycoon> <Kogut> cognac reworked
16:14:18  <Tycoon> <Zuuu> Ok
16:14:24  <Tycoon> <Kogut> ?
16:14:26  <Tycoon> <Zuuu> not as jammy anymore
16:14:36  <Tycoon> <Kogut> I had freeze
16:14:50  <Tycoon> <Kogut> it is problem with interner connection or with server
16:15:23  <Tycoon> <Zuuu> It freezes sometimes, but it is because it is many vehicles + cargo packets in there I think.
16:18:45  <Tycoon> <Zuuu> oh, silly me
16:19:03  <Tycoon> <Zuuu> trams can't turn at hills :-(
16:19:35  <Tycoon> <Zuuu> Oh well a solution at least. Not very kind though..
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16:48:59  <Coco-Banana-Man> hmm..
16:49:08  <Coco-Banana-Man> it was actually leaving too..
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17:19:46  <Ammler> !url
17:19:46  <Tycoon> Ammler: http://www.openttdcoop.org/servers/mz
17:24:04  <Ammler> did you restart the server?
17:32:28  <Ammler> !rcon set Autoclean novehicles
17:32:28  <Tycoon> Ammler: 'Autoclean' is an unknown setting.
17:32:31  <Ammler> !rcon set Autoclean_novehicles
17:32:32  <Tycoon> Ammler: 'Autoclean_novehicles' is an unknown setting.
17:32:36  <Ammler> !rcon set autoclean_novehicles
17:32:36  <Tycoon> Ammler: Current value for 'autoclean_novehicles' is: '0' (min: (0) 0, max: 240)
17:32:58  <Ammler> !rcon set autoclean_novehicles 12
17:34:09  <Ammler> !rcon set autoclean_companies
17:34:09  <Tycoon> Ammler: Current value for 'autoclean_companies' is: 'on' (min: 0, max: 1)
17:37:32  <Ammler> !rcon set autoclean_protected
17:37:33  <Tycoon> Ammler: Current value for 'autoclean_protected' is: '1' (min: (0) 0, max: 240)
17:37:42  <Ammler> !rcon set autoclean_protected 0
17:37:56  <Ammler> who set those (silly) configs?
17:38:22  <Ammler> !rcon set autoclean_unprotected
17:38:22  <Tycoon> Ammler: Current value for 'autoclean_unprotected' is: '0' (min: (0) 0, max: 240)
17:39:31  <Ammler> well, too late anyway
17:39:37  <Ammler> !info
17:39:37  <Tycoon> Ammler: #:1(Orange) Company Name: 'Supermop Transport'  Year Founded: 1969  Money: 57067  Loan: 100000  Value: 1  (T:0, R:0, P:0, S:0) unprotected
17:39:37  <Tycoon> Ammler: #:2(Red) Company Name: 'Zuuu Transport'  Year Founded: 1920  Money: 897802  Loan: 40000  Value: 2921972  (T:51, R:45, P:3, S:11) unprotected
17:39:37  <Tycoon> Ammler: #:3(Pink) Company Name: 'Bobbysepp Transport'  Year Founded: 1969  Money: 57067  Loan: 100000  Value: 1  (T:0, R:0, P:0, S:0) unprotected
17:39:37  <Tycoon> Ammler: #:4(Yellow) Company Name: '^^'  Year Founded: 1953  Money: 3461979  Loan: 300000  Value: 3939749  (T:8, R:64, P:3, S:0) unprotected
17:39:37  <Tycoon> Ammler: #:5(Green) Company Name: 'vok Transport'  Year Founded: 1924  Money: 4643843  Loan: 0  Value: 4907135  (T:23, R:29, P:0, S:0) unprotected
17:39:39  <Tycoon> Ammler: #:8(Brown) Company Name: 'Rubberline'  Year Founded: 1942  Money: 31634310  Loan: 0  Value: 40421832  (T:98, R:103, P:8, S:11) protected
17:41:46  <Ammler> !rcon set autoclean_protected 4
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18:08:08  <Tycoon> <fonsinchen> le fons is starting to look the way I had envisioned it.
18:08:22  <Tycoon> <Kogut> hi
18:08:25  <Tycoon> <fonsinchen> hi
18:08:37  <Tycoon> <Kogut> there was desync today
18:08:46  <Tycoon> <fonsinchen> There was?
18:08:53  <Tycoon> <Kogut> And I forgot to use non-stop
18:08:55  <Tycoon> <fonsinchen> When? I didn't see it in the logs
18:09:18  <Tycoon> <Kogut> about 12-2 hours ago
18:09:32  <Tycoon> <fonsinchen> 12-2?
18:09:42  <Tycoon> <Kogut> less than 12, more than 2
18:09:52  <Tycoon> <Kogut> I was dropped from gamer
18:10:22  <Tycoon> <Kogut> but otherwise - great
18:10:28  <Tycoon> <fonsinchen> are you sure it was a desync and not a regular loss of connection?
18:10:43  <Tycoon> <Kogut> hmm
18:10:53  <Tycoon> <Kogut> I'm not 100% sure
18:10:56  <Tycoon> <fonsinchen> it might happen that either your computer or the server is slow
18:11:14  <Tycoon> <Kogut> or there is problem with internet
18:11:32  <Tycoon> <Kogut> I didn't read whole box
18:11:40  <Tycoon> <Kogut> I was in hurry
18:11:55  <Tycoon> <Kogut> if it wasn't desync - sorry
18:12:06  <Tycoon> <Kogut> Anyway - what mean desync?
18:13:20  <Tycoon> <fonsinchen> Kogut, you had several connection losses, but no desync
18:13:27  <Tycoon> <Kogut> ok
18:13:30  <Tycoon> <Kogut> sorry
18:13:40  <Tycoon> <Kogut> and thanks for great patch
18:13:50  <Tycoon> <fonsinchen> desync means that the server and your client disagree about the game state
18:14:08  <Tycoon> <Kogut> protection from cheating?
18:14:14  <Tycoon> <fonsinchen> this is much worse than a connection loss as it indicates a programming error
18:14:44  <Tycoon> <fonsinchen> no, all players should agree about the game state at all times, otherwise it will be hard to play together.
18:15:33  <Tycoon> <fonsinchen> I mean if one of them says "my train is at X" and another one says "your train is at Y" the game is basically over
18:17:25  <fonsinchen> A comment about those industries dieing:
18:17:52  <fonsinchen> I think this is a feature, not a bug. Less industries make it easier to offer a greater percentage of destinations
18:18:16  <fonsinchen> The rating is based on the percentage of destination tiles your network covers
18:18:26  <Tycoon> <Kogut> I discovered it
18:18:31  <fonsinchen> So things will sort themselves after a while
18:19:07  <fonsinchen> If all non-connected factories are dead everyone gets a better rating
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18:20:09  <Zuu> !players
18:20:11  <Tycoon> Zuu: Client 83 is fonsinchen, a spectator
18:20:11  <Tycoon> Zuu: Client 86 (Brown) is Kogut, in company 8 (Rubberline)
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18:21:43  <Tycoon> <fonsinchen> hi Zuu
18:21:45  <Tycoon> <Zuuu> hi
18:21:47  <Tycoon> <Kogut> hi
18:22:03  <Tycoon> <Kogut> I joindef for 5 minutes for short look
18:22:05  <Tycoon> <Zuuu> So the server is still running.
18:22:08  <Tycoon> <Kogut> when restart?
18:22:36  <Tycoon> <Kogut> company value graph is funny
18:22:48  <Tycoon> <Zuuu> I don't think anything is really planed as this was a test game with cargodest.
18:22:54  <Tycoon> <fonsinchen> Funny for rubberline
18:23:12  <Tycoon> <Zuuu> hehe
18:23:22  <Tycoon> <Kogut> ;)
18:23:30  <Tycoon> <Zuuu> Though it was restarted first, but then it was you who renamed your company :-p
18:24:36  <Tycoon> <fonsinchen> hehe, there's a station called 'Problem'
18:24:56  <Tycoon> <Kogut> yes, I forgot non-stops
18:24:58  <Tycoon> <Zuuu> Yep, Kouguts' IIRC
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18:45:38  <Ammler> fonsinchen: next time, you should patch findversion.sh like IS2 does
18:46:05  <Tycoon> <Zuuu> And don't forget the vbs-file if it is to remove the 'M'.
18:46:31  <Tycoon> <fonsinchen> I'll have a look at that
18:46:55  <Tycoon> <fonsinchen> How come it reports the version without "M" when run outside the compile farm?
18:47:47  <Ammler> http://mz.openttdcoop.org/hg/is2/rev/ba6cda83f9a0
18:48:42  <Ammler> that seems like a git issue
19:03:30  <Tycoon> <Kogut> nice jam
19:03:48  <Tycoon> <Zuuu> where? in La..?
19:04:02  <Tycoon> <Kogut> no, bordeaux halt
19:04:10  <Tycoon> <Kogut> after station reconstruction
19:04:24  <Tycoon> <Zuuu> ok
19:05:17  <Tycoon> <Zuuu> silly train, auto-renewed when it was sent to be sold :-p
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20:26:56  <Ammler> doesn't the server lag?
20:27:02  <Tycoon> <Kogut> yes
20:27:11  <Ammler> so it is fine? :-)
20:27:16  <Tycoon> <Kogut> i thought that it is fault of my internet/router
20:27:24  <Tycoon> <Kogut> server lags
20:27:26  <Tycoon> <fonsinchen> I have overloaded it
20:27:33  <Ammler> server cpu is at 90%
20:27:35  <Tycoon> <Zuuu> It lags quite a lot here but is still playable
20:27:59  <Tycoon> <Zuuu> Kougut use quite a lot of ships without enough boyus.
20:28:15  <Ammler> well, I have 3 other cpus to use
20:28:19  <Tycoon> <Zuuu> 10 tiles apart is the rule of thumb that I've heard.
20:28:22  <Ammler> was just wondering :-)
20:28:35  <Tycoon> <Kogut> sorry
20:28:41  <Ammler> !info
20:28:41  <Tycoon> Ammler: #:1(Pink) Company Name: 'Fonseat'  Year Founded: 1989  Money: 50363  Loan: 420000  Value: 1262589  (T:6, R:29, P:0, S:1) unprotected
20:28:41  <Tycoon> Ammler: #:2(Red) Company Name: 'Zuuu Transport'  Year Founded: 1920  Money: 28786  Loan: 0  Value: 3401775  (T:57, R:65, P:2, S:18) protected
20:28:41  <Tycoon> Ammler: #:4(Yellow) Company Name: '^^'  Year Founded: 1953  Money: 5655874  Loan: 300000  Value: 5706370  (T:8, R:64, P:3, S:0) unprotected
20:28:41  <Tycoon> Ammler: #:5(Green) Company Name: 'vok Transport'  Year Founded: 1924  Money: 4137707  Loan: 0  Value: 4373131  (T:23, R:29, P:0, S:0) unprotected
20:28:41  <Tycoon> Ammler: #:8(White) Company Name: 'Rubberline'  Year Founded: 1942  Money: 55299044  Loan: 0  Value: 99450496  (T:122, R:100, P:14, S:114) protected
20:28:49  <Tycoon> <fonsinchen> oh, I have a ship without buoys
20:28:59  <Tycoon> <Kogut> 10 tiles?
20:29:02  <KenjiE20> ships have awful PF
20:29:08  <KenjiE20> but canals bouys help
20:29:25  <Ammler> fonsinchen: does cargodist use a lot more cpu?
20:29:45  <Tycoon> <Zuuu> At the places where you have those big swarms of ships I would put quite a lot of buyos as they each use quite a lot of cpu.
20:30:31  <Ammler> else we need to move the cargodist to our power maschine where ps is
20:31:23  <Tycoon> <Kogut> improved
20:32:29  <Tycoon> <Zuuu> Looks ok, take a look at your other places to. :-)
20:32:43  <Tycoon> <Kogut> ok
20:32:43  <Ammler> what cpu usage have you locally?
20:32:59  <Ammler> just wondering, if it is openttd or my server that weak
20:33:13  <Tycoon> <Kogut> 13 - 20 %
20:33:22  <Ammler> strange
20:33:25  <Tycoon> <Zuuu> I was at 90 but now it is 80%
20:33:40  <Tycoon> <Zuuu> Kougut: how many cores do you have?
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20:33:43  <Tycoon> <Kogut> 2
20:34:04  <Ammler> 4x Intel(R) Xeon(TM) CPU 3.20GHz <-- server cpu
20:34:15  <Tycoon> <Zuuu> I only have one core, AMD64 3500
20:34:28  <OwenS> Ammler: I thought .dev/.devzone ran on a VPS?
20:34:28  <Ammler> well, cores doesn't matter
20:34:36  <Ammler> yes
20:34:49  <Tycoon> <Zuuu> No, but my guess is that Kouguts 20% is over the two cores.
20:34:57  <Tycoon> <Kogut> yes
20:35:19  <Tycoon> <Zuuu> And my single core has to drive spotify, x-chat etc. as well.
20:35:33  <Tycoon> <Kogut> 35% on first, 4 on second
20:35:37  <Ammler> the other 3 cores are quite empty here
20:35:50  <Tycoon> <Zuuu> hmm, openttd.exe is 60-70%
20:35:58  <Ammler> so openttd has almost exclusive use of it
20:36:27  <Tycoon> <Zuuu> hmm even 30-70% for openttd.exe
20:36:48  <Ammler> hmm, cpu is now back to 80%
20:36:55  <Ammler> !server_status
20:36:55  <Tycoon> Ammler:  22:36pm  up 22 days 16:49,  3 users,  load average: 1.64, 1.43, 1.32
20:36:55  <Tycoon> Ammler: Cpu(s):  4.8% us,  0.9% sy,  0.9% ni, 92.8% id,  0.5% wa,  0.0% hi,  0.0% si
20:36:56  <Tycoon> Ammler: child process exited abnormally
20:37:01  <Ammler> :-o
20:45:01  <Tycoon> <Zuuu> Kogut: Your new station in Le Fons, perhaps make it one tile shorter and bridge the road, a PBS block through the entire tunnel will grid lock the busses/trams
20:45:39  <Tycoon> <Zuuu> If you move up the tunnel you can make a rail bridge there.
20:45:53  <Tycoon> <fonsinchen> I guess my 45 RVs play some role in this slowdown ...
20:46:20  <Tycoon> <Zuuu> What do they do that my and Kouguts RVs don't do?
20:46:50  <Tycoon> <fonsinchen> going very short trips and loading/unloading all the time
20:47:36  <Tycoon> <Zuuu> Also RVs in cities slow down more if there are many path possibilities.
20:49:46  <Tycoon> <Zuuu> lol, 4 banks next to each other in Charolles
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20:52:04  <Tycoon> <Fab> hi
20:52:08  <Tycoon> <Kogut> hi
20:52:10  <Tycoon> <Zuuu> Hi fab
20:52:12  <Tycoon> <fonsinchen> hi
20:52:55  <Tycoon> <Fab> same game as yesterday as I see
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21:10:29  <Tycoon> <Fab> I will try to be better than yesterday ;)
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21:36:51  <Tycoon> <Fab> I don't understand something...
21:37:13  <Tycoon> <Zuuu> What's the problem?
21:37:14  <PeterT> what's that?
21:37:30  <Tycoon> <Fab> I've train waiting for rubber at Nantes Plantation, and production fall from 140 to 96 ?
21:37:42  <PeterT> economy
21:38:10  <Tycoon> <Fab> yes, but usually production is supposed to grow if I transport, no ?
21:38:29  <Tycoon> <Zuuu> Only if you have high enough rating
21:38:36  <Tycoon> <Zuuu> 60-70-ish
21:38:52  <Tycoon> <Zuuu> To get that you need to provide many destination options it seems.
21:38:58  <Tycoon> <Fab> how I can increase my rating, good does not wait on station ?
21:39:48  <Tycoon> <Zuuu> Have at least one vehicle waiting at the station
21:39:50  <Tycoon> <Zuuu> Buy a statue
21:40:01  <Tycoon> <Fab> I've even 2 train waiting!
21:40:15  <Tycoon> <Zuuu> And in cargodist it seems that providing more than one destination option increases the rating
21:40:29  <Tycoon> <Zuuu> With only one dest I usually not get more than 38%
21:40:43  <Tycoon> <Fab> destination ? for goods ?! I was suposed this is for passenger
21:40:53  <Tycoon> <Zuuu> No, for any cargo.
21:40:56  <Tycoon> <Zuuu> It's a setting.
21:40:58  <Tycoon> <Fab> bad news
21:41:20  <Tycoon> <fonsinchen> you get 30% + 0.7*percentage of destinations covered
21:41:38  <Tycoon> <fonsinchen> as I've configured the min rating cap to be 30%
21:42:06  <Tycoon> <Zuuu> Ok
21:42:08  <Tycoon> <Fab> percentage of dest ? that mean I shall distribue rubber to all factory of the map ????
21:42:23  <Tycoon> <Zuuu> Not all, but the more the better for your station rating.
21:42:31  <Tycoon> <fonsinchen> to as many as you can
21:42:37  <Tycoon> <fonsinchen> you get better rating then
21:43:23  <Tycoon> <Fab> ok, it's already to build one route, if I had to built 4, I will bankroute before.. like yesterday.
21:44:05  <Tycoon> <Fab> If I build another route,I wil lgrow grom 30 to what ?
21:44:23  <Tycoon> <fonsinchen> depends on the number of factories on the map
21:44:34  <Tycoon> <fonsinchen> generally you get the same raise for each of them
21:45:18  <Tycoon> <Fab> ok, 7 factory is 100% and 1 factory give only 30 % that's it ?
21:46:42  <Tycoon> <fonsinchen> obviousliy 10% for each
21:47:36  <Tycoon> <Fab> ha yes 100-30=70, 70/7=10  right.. that's why I only 39
21:52:04  <Tycoon> <Zuuu> Fab you need to stay above 0 or you will be sold off
21:52:14  <Tycoon> <Zuuu> Take a loan
21:52:56  <Tycoon> <Zuuu> You also need to get your economy in balance so that you get more income than your runnig costs. But that might be underway
21:53:19  <Tycoon> <Fab> it's hard, I took old train (with low runing cost) my load is 940/1000.
21:53:57  <PeterT> fonsinchen: don't you constantly get highlighted when you talk in-game?
21:53:59  <Tycoon> <Zuuu> Tell us if you need support to avoid going bankrupt.
21:54:05  <Tycoon> <Fab> I've two lines (not double, too expensive) one for rubber and one for goods.
21:54:12  <Tycoon> <fonsinchen> yes, that's a problem
21:54:26  <Tycoon> <Fab> I'm afraid it will be hard ;)
21:54:31  <PeterT> try fons1nchen
21:54:32  <PeterT> in game
21:55:44  <Tycoon> <Fab> and green company is taken the goods I produce with my rubbers...  life is hard.
21:56:06  <Tycoon> <Fab> with his long trains.....
21:56:31  <PeterT> that's what she said
21:56:34  <Tycoon> <Zuuu> and yet green is not here
21:56:50  <Tycoon> <Fab> yes, but his train are :)
21:57:24  <Tycoon> <Zuuu> Fab, you are offered for sale now
21:57:39  <Tycoon> <Zuuu> You need to stay above 0 or you'll be sold off
21:57:45  <Tycoon> <Fab> it's not fair, he does not not bring anything to the factory
21:58:19  <Tycoon> <Fab> 960/1000 the end is near
21:58:33  <Tycoon> <Zuuu> 960/1000?
21:58:37  <Tycoon> <Fab> my loan
21:59:20  <Tycoon> <Zuuu> Well, I'm sure Kougut or I could give you some if you work on your profit margin. :-)
21:59:42  <Tycoon> <Fab> how can I increase it ?
21:59:52  <Tycoon> <Zuuu> Low runnig costs, high income
21:59:54  <Tycoon> <Fab> all goods link are overtook
22:00:09  <Tycoon> <Zuuu> There are 2 unused factories, you don't need to start  with goods.
22:00:13  <Tycoon> <Fab> I was happy to find rubber--> factory yet
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22:01:10  <Tycoon> <planetm4ker> hi
22:01:12  <Tycoon> <Fab> I was losing money before I build route for goods. you suggest me to sell goods train and rails ?
22:01:18  <Tycoon> <Fab> hi
22:02:06  <Tycoon> <Zuuu> well, I haven't looked at your tracks, if you can make money stay there.
22:02:21  <Tycoon> <planetm4ker> omg
22:02:31  <Tycoon> <fonsinchen> Kogut, is that unused track south of Bordeaux important?
22:02:33  <Tycoon> <planetm4ker> the train network into that volcano crater...! :-)
22:02:44  <Tycoon> <Zuuu> pm :-p
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22:10:02  <Tycoon> <Fab> I sold the rails and the train I used to transport goods. ok, I'm focused now on rubber to factory, but other factory are quite far! what's the best at your mind ?
22:10:17  <Tycoon> <Kogut> passengers
22:10:39  <Tycoon> <Zuuu> At this point of the game passengers are quite good
22:10:41  <Tycoon> <Fab> yes, but there is only one city i nthis map, and no place
22:11:29  <Tycoon> <planetm4ker> Fab: in Bayonne there's space
22:11:40  <Tycoon> <Fab> ok, I will check that.
22:11:44  <Tycoon> <planetm4ker> as in Bergerac
22:12:12  <Tycoon> <planetm4ker> or Agincourt
22:12:24  <Tycoon> <Fab> ok, I will work on Bergerac
22:12:30  <Tycoon> <Fab> thanks
22:12:32  <Tycoon> <planetm4ker> but don't trust me. I never started a cargodist company ;-)
22:12:50  <Tycoon> <planetm4ker> also Gueret
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22:12:56  <Tycoon> <Fab> this is supposed to make will safer ? :)
22:13:06  <Tycoon> <Fab> to make me feel safer ?
22:13:16  <Tycoon> <planetm4ker> haha :-)
22:13:30  <Tycoon> <planetm4ker> I just don't want the blame :-P
22:13:57  <Tycoon> <Fab> OK, go for Bergerac (I don' like this name btw :) )
22:14:35  <Tycoon> <planetm4ker> shit happens, I guess
22:15:51  <Tycoon> <Fab> I will take horse carriage.. for lower running cost.... in year 2000 !!!!
22:16:01  <Tycoon> <Kogut> for tourists
22:16:47  <Tycoon> <Fab> yeah.. tourists..; in the nice and beatiful city of Bergerac :)
22:19:26  <Tycoon> <Fab> wtf?! the horse is supposed to drive (walk) at 19km/h  but it only walk at 1km/h ?!
22:19:40  <Tycoon> <planetm4ker> g2g. have a good night folks
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22:20:04  <Tycoon> <Zuuu> Fab: Is there a hill?
22:20:10  <Tycoon> <Fab> no
22:20:20  <Tycoon> <Zuuu> It might be underpowered for 8x cargo weight
22:20:24  <Tycoon> <Fab> totally flat, check my road veh 1
22:20:35  <Tycoon> <Zuuu> Though IIRC pax should be unaffected by cargo weight multiplier.
22:21:01  <Tycoon> <Kogut> realistic RV acceleration?
22:22:23  <Tycoon> <Fab> my horse juhst arrived from this loooonnnng traveil of 4 title from depot to station!
22:22:37  <Tycoon> <Kogut> muhaha
22:22:56  <Tycoon> <Kogut> I have problem with station problem
22:23:26  <Tycoon> <Zuuu> :-p
22:23:34  <Tycoon> <Zuuu> Good that you keept that name then :-p
22:25:24  <Tycoon> <Fab> can I kill the horse ?! please tell me I can KILL it... I asked him to go back to depot, but it just block the road
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22:25:41  <fonsinchen> Is that only me or is it lagging for everyone?
22:26:00  <Tycoon> <Fab> no, my horst is lagging too ! :)
22:26:11  <Tycoon> <Kogut> laggggg
22:26:23  <fonsinchen> I can't reconnect :(
22:26:31  <Tycoon> <Zuuu> Oh, I got a jam :-)
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22:26:47  <Tycoon> <Zuuu> It lags here as well
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22:44:19  <Tycoon> <fonsinchen> scary ... suddenly my money was divided by 3
22:44:37  <Tycoon> <Zuuu> Built a bridge?
22:44:47  <Tycoon> <fonsinchen> no, euro was introduced
22:44:56  <Tycoon> <Zuuu> hehe ok
23:00:58  <Tycoon> <Fab> how long will this server be up ?
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23:01:46  <KenjiE20> till it goes down?
23:02:40  <Tycoon> <Fab> by itself ? or when the guy how start this server decided to shut it down ?
23:02:50  <Tycoon> <Zuuu> I would say the later
23:03:00  <KenjiE20> whichever happens first
23:03:28  <Tycoon> <Zuuu> When nobody can play because of the lags anymore or there is enough of people who wants a new game is my guess.
23:04:28  <Tycoon> <Fab> do you think this game wil lstill here in 2 days ?
23:04:39  <Tycoon> <Fab> that's the time I get money (it's slow)
23:05:19  <Tycoon> <Zuuu> Or you get it faster ;-)
23:05:31  <Tycoon> <Fab> thank you :)
23:05:45  <Tycoon> <Zuuu> you're welcome :-p
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23:26:32  <Zuu> Did some one just paused the game?
23:26:34  <fonsinchen> ouchie
23:27:53  <Zuu> Doesn't look good
23:28:15  <Zuu> If we are lucky it is an autosave that clogs it.
23:28:21  <Zuu> But probably not..
23:28:23  <Zuu> :-(
23:28:57  <Zuu> Ammler: there?
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23:30:46  <Tycoon> <fonsinchen> who's got the largest connected linkgraph component?
23:30:52  <Tycoon> <fonsinchen> might be me ... :/
23:31:15  <Tycoon> <Zuuu> Oh, could be the link graph re-calculation?
23:31:29  <Tycoon> <fonsinchen> yes, could be
23:31:43  <Tycoon> <fonsinchen> all my stations are interconnected
23:32:07  <Tycoon> <fonsinchen> that's a link graph of 79 stations
23:32:45  <Tycoon> <Zuuu> Sure, but it is not a link between all 79 stations?
23:32:51  <Tycoon> <Zuuu> (a direct link)
23:33:05  <Tycoon> <fonsinchen> no, but every station can be reached from every other one
23:33:15  <Tycoon> <fonsinchen> I'm exclusively transporting pax
23:33:21  <Tycoon> <fonsinchen> (OK, some mail)
23:34:51  <Tycoon> <Zuuu> Well, given that I only have 63 stations of varying cargo types your is probably worse.
23:35:07  <Tycoon> <Zuuu> Rubberline even only got 33 stations.
23:36:29  <Tycoon> <Zuuu> Hmm, would like to have shared boyous so you esier could move boyus for bridge building. :-)
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