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06:15:33 <Brot> [DevZone] 2cc train set - Bug #26 (Closed): cariage capacity of TGV duplex (planetmaker) - http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/26#change-83 06:27:18 <Brot> [DevZone] 2cc train set - Bug #65: Alignment of flags (planetmaker) - http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/65 06:30:18 <Brot> [DevZone] 2cc train set - Bug #66: alignment of the text "Tender" off (planetmaker) - http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/66 07:09:18 <Brot> [DevZone] 2cc train set - Bug #66: alignment of the text "Tender" off (DJNekkid) - http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/66#change-84 07:39:18 <Brot> [DevZone] 2cc train set - Revision 58: Fix #66: One stringID got left out, thus naming of subsequent IDs we... (planetmaker) - http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/2cctrainset/repository/revisions/58 07:39:19 <Brot> [DevZone] 2cc train set - Bug #66 (Closed): alignment of the text "Tender" off (planetmaker) - http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/66#change-85 07:39:20 <Brot> [DevZone] 2cc train set - Bug #43 (Feedback): Tourist coach cargo types (DJNekkid) - http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/43#change-86 07:42:19 <Brot> [DevZone] 2cc train set - Bug #43: Tourist coach cargo types (planetmaker) - http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/43#change-87 07:48:18 <Brot> [DevZone] 2cc train set - Bug #40 (Resolved): string \wxd033 defined twice (DJNekkid) - http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/40#change-88 07:48:19 <Brot> [DevZone] 2cc train set - Bug #48: rename lifestock wagons (DJNekkid) - http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/48#change-89 07:51:18 <Brot> [DevZone] 2cc train set - Bug #40 (Closed): string \wxd033 defined twice (planetmaker) - http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/40#change-90 07:54:18 <Brot> [DevZone] 2cc train set - Feature #55: refit policy accessible via parameter (DJNekkid) - http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/55#change-91 08:06:18 <Brot> [DevZone] 2cc train set - Revision 59: fixed issue #65 (DJNekkid) - http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/2cctrainset/repository/revisions/59 08:06:19 <Brot> [DevZone] 2cc train set - Revision 60: merge heads (DJNekkid) - http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/2cctrainset/repository/revisions/60 08:06:20 <Brot> [DevZone] 2cc train set - Bug #65 (Closed): Alignment of flags (DJNekkid) - http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/65#change-92 08:09:18 <Brot> [DevZone] 2cc train set - Bug #43: Tourist coach cargo types (DJNekkid) - http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/43#change-93 08:12:18 <Brot> [DevZone] 2cc train set - Bug #43: Tourist coach cargo types (planetmaker) - http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/43#change-94 11:33:18 <Brot> [DevZone] 2cc train set - Revision 61: fixed bug #46 (DJNekkid) - http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/2cctrainset/repository/revisions/61 11:33:19 <Brot> [DevZone] 2cc train set - Revision 62: Feature: add support for Portuguese translations (planetmaker) - http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/2cctrainset/repository/revisions/62 11:36:18 <Brot> [DevZone] 2cc train set - Bug #46 (Closed): Offset of refrigerated car in depot view (planetmaker) - http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/46#change-96 11:44:54 <Ammler> nice work planetmaker 11:46:17 <Ammler> maybe adding another setting to be able to skip the translation 11:50:57 <planetmaker> setting to the shell script / bat file? 11:55:20 <Ammler> no 11:55:25 <Ammler> grf parameter 11:55:49 <Ammler> i.e. I play with german but don't like your translation 11:56:04 <Ammler> (just an example :P 11:56:14 <planetmaker> sorry, that's silly 11:56:26 <Ammler> ok 11:56:45 <planetmaker> why should I want a German game, but English strings for the GRFs? 11:56:58 <planetmaker> like Kaufe Lokomotiven: Railbus M65 11:56:59 <planetmaker> ? 11:57:01 <planetmaker> nah 11:57:15 <Ammler> because the translator made a "bad" job 11:57:17 <Brot> [DevZone] 2cc train set - Bug #67: action 02 of wrong lenght (planetmaker) - http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/67 11:59:05 <planetmaker> Ammler, then it's a good incentive to fix the translation and report it 11:59:13 <Ammler> :-) 11:59:30 <Ammler> sometimes, such things are individual thoughs 11:59:40 <planetmaker> yes, I know :) 11:59:47 <planetmaker> like "fahre zu" or "fahre nach" 12:00:03 <planetmaker> in the orders. Which I reverted back to "fahre zu" 12:00:33 <planetmaker> both has benefits. And depending upon usage I would chose one or the other. But I only can use one... 12:00:53 <Ammler> ich hätte ja liber nach :P 12:01:00 <Ammler> e 12:01:05 <planetmaker> :) 12:01:15 <planetmaker> ja, aber :) 12:01:19 <Ammler> :-) 12:01:26 <planetmaker> Fahre nach Zugdepot Berlin? 12:01:32 <Ammler> ins 12:01:37 <planetmaker> zum 12:01:40 <planetmaker> wie jetzt 12:01:50 <planetmaker> Fahre nach Berlin Hauptbahnhof? 12:01:55 <planetmaker> Fahre zu Berlin Hauptbahnhof? 12:02:10 <Ammler> hmm, man kann ja auch openttd patchen 12:02:19 <Ammler> es ist opensouce, übrigens 12:02:20 <planetmaker> ja. Viel Spaß... 12:02:31 <Ammler> :-) 12:02:46 <planetmaker> diese String-Details öffenen die Tore zu einer ganz speziellen Hölle, glaube ich... 12:02:53 <Ammler> :-D 12:03:11 <planetmaker> Sprachen und allgemeine Regeln dazu vertragen sich nicht immer gut mit programmierbaren Regeln... 12:03:29 <Ammler> nach ist doch aber öfter 12:03:42 <planetmaker> ich kann "zu" aber auch sprachlich begründen: 12:03:56 <planetmaker> ich fahre nach Berlin 12:04:10 <planetmaker> aber: ich fahre zum Hauptbahnhof Berlin 12:04:21 <planetmaker> und letzteres ist, was die Züge tun. 12:04:41 <planetmaker> ich gehe ja auch zu Aldi und nicht nach Aldi 12:04:53 <planetmaker> und zu Dir und nicht nach Dir. 12:05:25 <planetmaker> nach bezieht sich auf allgemeine Ort, zu auf spezielle, genau definierte. 12:05:27 <Ammler> hoffentlich :P 12:05:37 <planetmaker> :D 12:06:29 <Ammler> wieso nich "zum"? 12:08:12 <planetmaker> zu, zum, zur - das ist das Gleiche, nur mit bzw. ohne bestimmten Artikel 12:08:50 <planetmaker> und damit ich eben "zur Werft" "zum nächsten Depot", "zu Berlin Hauptbahnhof" machen kann, habe ich "zu" gewählt 12:09:00 <planetmaker> mit "nach" klingen die ersten beiden richtig komisch 12:14:06 <Ammler> did you talk with Truebrain about newgrf support in WT3? 12:14:48 <Ammler> is it already in use, btw? 12:17:47 <planetmaker> it's not in use, no 12:18:16 <planetmaker> and wt3... is only an interface to the language files. It doesn't have to do anything with how openttd handles strings. 12:22:43 <Ammler> hmm. alain doesn't use dots and commas, still :-( 12:29:58 <planetmaker> of course not :P 12:30:49 <planetmaker> I think he's somewhat dyslexic or so. 12:31:31 <planetmaker> at least I hope that's the excuse. Or it'd be really bad behaviour ;) 12:31:50 <planetmaker> wow. Japanese grfs are uploaded :) 12:31:59 <planetmaker> trainset, landscape, stations and buildings 12:32:18 <Ammler> hmm 12:32:24 <planetmaker> mäh... they're cc-nd :( 12:32:45 <Ammler> hmm, shouldn't they be gpl? 12:32:54 <planetmaker> dunno. should they? 12:33:07 <Ammler> I thought, I read that somewhere in the thread 12:33:27 <Ammler> but cc-nd is the only license I would use, too. 12:33:32 <Ammler> (if not gpl) 12:33:38 <planetmaker> why that? 12:33:42 <planetmaker> nvm 12:33:47 <Ammler> :-) 12:34:20 <planetmaker> because of the "will not get source" argument which I don't share a bit. Because ND makes things lost to the community. All other CC licenses not 12:34:40 <planetmaker> ND licensed things die with the author. All other CC licenses not. 12:35:23 <Ammler> gpl is the license to take, sorry. 12:35:45 <planetmaker> well. and 2nd best is any CC license *except* ND 12:35:51 <Ammler> I really have troubles to think, why someone should use cc 12:36:30 <Ammler> if you use cc, you use it to protect your graphics, but then you HAVE to use ND 12:36:45 <planetmaker> no? 12:37:02 <Ammler> then why not use gpl? 12:37:14 <planetmaker> GPL talks about NFO 12:37:19 <planetmaker> CC talks about the PCX 12:37:23 <planetmaker> both is equally valid 12:37:38 <Ammler> you can very easy license the pcs in GPL too 12:37:44 <Ammler> opengfx does that 12:37:49 <Ammler> or firs will 12:38:00 <planetmaker> and vice versa. 12:38:10 <planetmaker> The question whether you can doesn't make it suitable 12:38:12 <Ammler> it just doesn't make sence 12:38:39 <Ammler> if you like to share your graphics, you can as easy make gpl 12:38:47 <planetmaker> I don't think so. 12:39:07 <Ammler> else the only license is cc-nd for those. 12:39:18 <planetmaker> what's the advantage for a piece of graphics to chose gpl over cc-by? 12:39:28 <planetmaker> I see not a single one, honestly. 12:39:46 <Ammler> if I change parts of it, I have to publish my work too. 12:39:53 <planetmaker> no 12:40:03 <planetmaker> for neither 12:40:16 <Ammler> well, then I am sorry. 12:40:40 <planetmaker> If I modify it and publish it. Then I have in both cases give credit to the original author. 12:40:43 <planetmaker> and that's it. 12:40:44 <Ammler> if you release something with gpl, you have to give the source, with cc, it isn't needed. 12:40:55 <planetmaker> the source of an image is the image and nothing more 12:41:03 <Ammler> yep 12:41:10 <planetmaker> which makes all the "preferred format" stuff in GPL basically void. 12:41:14 <planetmaker> And CC is just as good. 12:41:24 <Ammler> for the pcx 12:41:29 <Ammler> but not for the grf 12:41:50 <planetmaker> <planetmaker> GPL talks about NFO 12:41:50 <planetmaker> <planetmaker> CC talks about the PCX 12:42:04 * Ammler talkes about GRF 12:43:11 <Ammler> I still don't think, they are allowed to publish it with cc 12:43:31 <Ammler> maybe, I will sometime look for the text about. 12:43:33 <planetmaker> even so. Any CC license is good for a grf, except CC-ND. You can easily obtain the nfo. Though without comments. 12:44:07 <Ammler> no, you can't 12:44:09 <planetmaker> What you advocate is a black or white policy with any kind of gray in between 12:44:11 <Ammler> that is the point 12:44:23 <planetmaker> of course you can. grfcodec -d works nicely on any grf. 12:44:26 <Ammler> sorry, you have now the source of the 2cc 12:44:40 <planetmaker> Yes. And I modified it before. I know what grfcodec -d does. 12:44:41 <Ammler> do you really think, it is possible to get that from a grf? 12:44:53 <planetmaker> No. BUT! 12:45:06 <planetmaker> you say: either have commented code or forbid anyone to change it at all. 12:45:08 <Ammler> :-) 12:45:11 <planetmaker> That is really stupid! 12:45:17 <Ammler> NO 12:45:26 <Ammler> I say, every grf should be GPL 12:45:45 <planetmaker> yes. And then say: they all are stupid because they chose to not agree with you. And that is stupid of you. 12:45:46 <planetmaker> sorry 12:45:46 <Ammler> bananas should only allow GPL grfs 12:45:54 <planetmaker> no 12:46:11 <planetmaker> why should it? 12:46:33 <Ammler> because, I like opensource :-) 12:46:55 <planetmaker> yes. But it is highly unfair and unadequate to say anyone who choses to disagree is at wrong 12:47:07 <Ammler> did I do that? 12:47:43 <planetmaker> well. Anytime the discussion comes to licenses you say that there should be eihter GPL or completely forbidden to change a newgrf. 12:47:46 <Ammler> I just said, we shouldn't actively support non-opensource. 12:47:47 <planetmaker> That doesn't make sense 12:48:08 <Ammler> you don't get me wrong 12:48:13 <Ammler> -'t 12:48:36 <planetmaker> <Ammler> if you use cc, you use it to protect your graphics, but then you HAVE to use ND 12:48:47 <Ammler> I just can't understand, why someone does license something with CC and not GPL 12:49:02 <Ammler> yes, that is my understanding 12:49:21 <planetmaker> well. Maybe they want to protect the source but don't care about the images being re-used? 12:49:21 <Ammler> that is the only cc license, which makes sense to me. :-) 12:49:46 <planetmaker> Or they have ugly source code, just as nicely as grfcodec produces it? Then it doesn't matter whether GPL or CC 12:50:23 <Ammler> now, you confuse me 12:50:29 <Ammler> do you speak about cc and nfo? 12:50:41 <planetmaker> yes. 12:50:48 <Ammler> :-) 12:50:59 <planetmaker> I can write nfo just the way that the source looks exactly like grfcodec -d 12:51:05 <Ammler> well, nvm. 12:51:17 <planetmaker> why chose gpl then with the 100s of pages of paragraphs instead of a 5 sentence license? 12:51:22 <planetmaker> which everyone understands? 12:51:38 <Ammler> just important, we should be sure, that all nfo on our devzone will be kept on GPL 12:52:09 <Ammler> as it seems, we can't do that for the pcx) 12:52:10 <Ammler> :-( 12:52:12 <planetmaker> uhm... I disagree :) Anything except ND works 12:52:52 <planetmaker> and the dev zone offers the code obviously in the preferred form. 12:53:01 <planetmaker> That said: _I_ would chose GPL, too. 12:53:05 <planetmaker> But I make no religion out of it. 12:53:12 <Ammler> 2cc nfo is GPL 12:53:20 <Ammler> djn agreed to that, afaik 12:53:25 <planetmaker> yes. 12:53:44 <Ammler> so the nfo is GPL, the grf is cc-nd 12:53:59 <planetmaker> we'll remove the ND there somewhen, too :P 12:54:03 <Ammler> but we should talk to Purno to change that 12:54:05 <planetmaker> ND is evil ;) 12:54:30 <Ammler> as I said the only alternative for me is GPL :-) 12:55:03 <Ammler> at least for the code 12:55:14 <Ammler> (the grf can be what you guys like) 12:55:30 <Ammler> well, I am forced to 12:55:41 <Ammler> but PLEASE, try first to make it GPL 12:57:42 <Ammler> I can life with hosting non gpl, but I won't participate with work and time to such projects. 13:00:09 <planetmaker> http://www.as-st.com/ttd/japan/index.html <-- that's the Japan set license you look for (in the bottom) 13:00:45 <planetmaker> This set is licensed under the GNU Public Licence. As such, it may be freely distributed and modified as long as it remains under this license. 13:00:45 <planetmaker> If you wish to use any part of this set in another set, you may of course do so, but we would be very grateful if you asked the artist concerned for permission, which will probably be granted. However, the individual elements remain the property of their respective artists, and they have the final word in this regard.<-- though they contradict it in the same paragraph 13:02:40 <Ammler> he, that isn't possible :-) 13:02:52 <Ammler> either GPL or not 13:03:16 <planetmaker> yeah. exactly. 13:03:21 <Ammler> but then, I would make it cc-nd too 13:03:34 <planetmaker> well. I would make it GPL :P 13:03:47 <Ammler> or you just make it GPL and don't care about some artists :-) 13:04:04 <planetmaker> ND disallows you to fix ANY graphical bug which is not an alignment issue 13:04:26 <Ammler> will you report it on the thread? 13:04:45 <planetmaker> yes 13:05:02 <Ammler> but do not speak about other CC licneses ;-) 13:05:05 <Ammler> just GPL 13:05:24 <Ammler> else you might bring those to bad ideas :-) 13:08:13 <Ammler> hmm, I GET YOU 13:08:25 <Ammler> you speak about work of others. 13:08:38 <planetmaker> yes. 13:08:47 <planetmaker> I would license my OWN work under GPL. 13:08:49 <Ammler> yes, I don't care, if they license it with cc 13:09:03 <Ammler> and yes, it is bad, if they license it cc-nd 13:09:40 <Ammler> ok, we agree, sorry :-) 13:09:42 <planetmaker> probably I'd do that: I license the grf such that the NFO is GPL-license and the graphics CC-BY. 13:09:55 <planetmaker> And call it a custom license :) 13:10:01 <Ammler> and you also agree, that the devzone doesn't host something non-gpl? 13:10:20 <Ammler> (except member private work) 13:10:24 <planetmaker> well. I wouldn't mind BSD style licenses :P 13:11:02 <Ammler> hmm, I disagree :P 13:11:15 <Ammler> that is like public domain, isn't? 13:11:15 <planetmaker> you know the BSD style license? 13:11:20 <planetmaker> not quite 13:11:24 <Ammler> just keep credit 13:11:33 <planetmaker> roughly, yes 13:11:46 <planetmaker> but yeah. gpl is nicer. 13:11:52 <Ammler> cc licenses are like that 13:16:54 <planetmaker> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=790145#p790145 13:17:03 <planetmaker> Do I sound too... rough? 13:20:53 <Ammler> hmm 13:21:30 <Ammler> I wouldn't "urge" them ;-) , but you are right 13:22:45 <Ammler> I won't comment it, don't want to make another license talk 13:23:10 <planetmaker> ok, I'll not urge but ask them :P 13:23:31 <Ammler> IMO, as soon, as there is more then one author, coder involved, you can't license it with ND anymore. 13:23:42 <planetmaker> of course you can. 13:23:57 <Ammler> mäh, you can everything, of course. 13:24:24 <planetmaker> you can grant your co-workers to do anything with it as long as it stays part of the project 13:24:59 <Ammler> but then you have to give permissions, before you leave you have to be sure you got permisson, if you join. 13:25:15 <planetmaker> yes. 13:25:24 <Ammler> that doesn't work in that community, sorry :P 13:25:27 <planetmaker> e.g. transfer all rights to the remaining authors. 13:25:36 <planetmaker> yes, it doesn't work. I agree. 13:25:40 <Ammler> so, you can't 13:25:49 <planetmaker> I may not work on the 2cc set either :P 13:26:11 <Ammler> did already change a pcx? 13:26:15 <Ammler> you* 13:26:29 <planetmaker> no. And it's unlikely I will :P 13:26:42 <Ammler> so you didn't break the law :P 13:27:16 <Ammler> you should get a "skp prison" card from Purno. 13:37:07 <planetmaker> hehe :) 14:55:18 <Brot> [DevZone] Coopetition ladder - Development: How to decide who wins (XeryusTC) - http://dev.openttdcoop.org/boards/12/topics/461 14:55:48 <XeryusTC> oh shush 14:58:43 <Ammler> hehe, I guess, thraxian posted for osqc 14:59:13 <XeryusTC> heh, ok :P 15:00:19 <XeryusTC> I should really make the switch to jQuery after I'm done with adding games 15:00:27 <XeryusTC> as this is becomming quite a pain :P 15:00:57 <XeryusTC> i am currently writing code to manually serialize a 15 parameter form into json to send to the server :P 15:01:05 <XeryusTC> and jquery can do that for me :o 15:01:17 <Brot> [DevZone] Coopetition ladder - Development: RE: How to decide who wins (XeryusTC) - http://dev.openttdcoop.org/boards/12/topics/461#message-462 15:08:34 <Ammler> well, I would never again develp a app from scratch 15:08:47 <Ammler> there are so many nice frameworks around. 15:13:18 <Brot> [DevZone] 2cc train set - Bug #67: action 02 of wrong lenght (DJNekkid) - http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/67#change-97 15:31:18 <Brot> [DevZone] 2cc train set - Revision 65: Fix #67: silence an NFO warning concerning action2 in bm65 (planetmaker) - http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/2cctrainset/repository/revisions/65 15:31:19 <Brot> [DevZone] 2cc train set - Bug #67 (Closed): action 02 of wrong lenght (planetmaker) - http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/67#change-98 15:36:23 <Ammler> hmm, sorry 15:36:52 <Ammler> just pushed a change on the make_grf script 15:37:18 <planetmaker> :D 15:37:18 <Brot> [DevZone] 2cc train set - Revision 66: Empty file needed? (Ammler) - http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/2cctrainset/repository/revisions/66 15:37:53 <planetmaker> So, go ahead for the 3rd "merge heads" commit ;) 15:39:16 <planetmaker> as you've certainly seen, I silenced all "too large ID" errors of nforenum. All others are fine IMO 15:39:45 <planetmaker> and should be silenced somewhen, too :) 15:39:55 * planetmaker likes compiles without warnings and errors. 15:40:18 <Brot> [DevZone] 2cc train set - 2ccdj.grf (Ammler) - http://dev.openttdcoop.org/attachments/download/31/2ccdj.grf 15:42:11 <planetmaker> eh... Ammler ? you reverted my -k to nforenum? why? 15:42:21 <Ammler> -k? 15:42:22 <planetmaker> sorry. my -w 141? 15:42:34 <Ammler> I already excused 15:42:44 <Ammler> [17:36] <Ammler> hmm, sorry 15:42:45 <Ammler> [17:36] <Ammler> just pushed a change on the make_grf script 15:43:03 <Ammler> I just wanted to commit the deleting 15:43:03 <planetmaker> uhm, yes. I thought, you did also some other change ;) 15:43:17 <Brot> [DevZone] 2cc train set - 2ccdj.nfo (Ammler) - http://dev.openttdcoop.org/attachments/download/32/2ccdj.nfo 15:43:18 <Brot> [DevZone] 2cc train set - Bug #44: matching grf, if you use windows or linux (Ammler) - http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/44#change-99 15:43:21 <planetmaker> which deleting? 15:44:22 <Ammler> of the empty metrotrack 15:45:24 <planetmaker> well. go ahead, I say, and commit that. :) 15:45:55 <planetmaker> and revert the make_2cc commit ;) w141 is really not needed until nforenum gets a --allow-highID switch or alike 15:46:12 <planetmaker> :) 15:48:47 <planetmaker> our grfs are identical 15:49:04 <planetmaker> which is good 15:49:18 <Brot> [DevZone] 2cc train set - 2ccdj.grf (planetmaker) - http://dev.openttdcoop.org/attachments/download/33/2ccdj.grf 15:50:52 <planetmaker> ah, ok, sorry. Now I only understand your commit, Ammler :P 15:51:01 <planetmaker> you actually did delete that file there... 16:01:33 <Ammler> did you use the -w? 16:01:39 <Ammler> planetmaker: ^ 16:01:54 <Ammler> just wondering, if it has influence to the grf 16:07:31 <Ammler> planetmaker: which os did you use for your grf? 16:18:20 <Ammler> marcel@inspiron:~/hg/2cctrainset/sprites/nfo/strings> wc -l * 16:18:21 <Ammler> 482 02_german.nfo 16:18:23 <Ammler> 482 36_portuguese.nfo 16:18:24 <Ammler> 482 7F_english.nfo 16:18:26 <Ammler> 1446 insgesamt 16:30:53 <planetmaker> I didn't use -w 16:31:55 <planetmaker> but indeed it might have influence. Not sure though 16:44:17 <Brot> [DevZone] 2cc train set - Support #57: Skipping version 2.03 (DJNekkid) - http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/57#change-100 16:59:17 <Brot> [DevZone] 2cc train set - Support #57: Skipping version 2.03 (Ammler) - http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/57#change-101 17:11:16 <Brot> [DevZone] 2cc train set - Bug #48 (Resolved): rename lifestock wagons (DJNekkid) - http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/48#change-102 17:20:16 <Brot> [DevZone] 2cc train set - Revision 68: Fix #48: rename also the German lifestock wagons to what they now re... (planetmaker) - http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/2cctrainset/repository/revisions/68 17:20:17 <Brot> [DevZone] 2cc train set - Bug #48 (Closed): rename lifestock wagons (planetmaker) - http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/48#change-103 17:21:56 <Ammler> planetmaker: ? 17:22:01 <Ammler> this bug with UTF-8 17:22:09 <Ammler> how does that work? 17:22:18 <Ammler> or even not work? 17:22:36 <planetmaker> the portuguese ordinal character is interpreted wrongly. 17:22:48 <planetmaker> it is interpreted as the down arrow of the scroll bars. 17:23:17 <Brot> [DevZone] 2cc train set - Revision 69: Fix r66: re-introduce the silencing of the high-ID nforenum errors/w... (planetmaker) - http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/2cctrainset/repository/revisions/69 17:23:19 <planetmaker> it should be interpreted as the first, if in a string. The latter, if explicitly coded so as a non-utf-8 thing 17:23:23 <Ammler> that is a bug of openttd? 17:23:29 <planetmaker> yes 17:23:30 <Ammler> or just a missing feature? 17:23:53 <planetmaker> it's buggy implementation of the specs - as far as I understood petern 17:24:11 <planetmaker> I'm not sure I understand his answer to my flyspray entry, though 17:24:54 <planetmaker> any case the character seems to be taken explicitly out of the character set and replaced by the arrow. 17:24:56 <planetmaker> which is imo bad 17:25:14 <Ammler> I make a tiny push 17:25:34 <planetmaker> k 17:26:22 <planetmaker> btw, I asked foobar for the source of OpenGFX. 17:26:33 <planetmaker> Might be that I want to add it to our server :) 17:26:48 <planetmaker> it's not publicly available right now which is bad IMO 17:29:37 <Ammler> something is on his server 17:29:44 <Ammler> around 40 MB 17:30:00 <Ammler> same location as bzr 17:30:04 <Ammler> firs* 17:30:16 <Ammler> menno 17:30:28 <Ammler> I pulled 17:30:33 <Ammler> then commited 17:30:39 <Ammler> then pushed 17:30:45 <planetmaker> and then... merged :P 17:30:51 <Ammler> yeah 17:30:59 <planetmaker> wasn't me, though. 17:31:03 <Ammler> in this short time :-) 17:31:22 <Ammler> now, I would like to make it wihout merge 17:31:31 <Ammler> I could commit it again 17:31:45 <Ammler> how to revert my commit? 17:31:46 <planetmaker> not possible. Except you make a new repository 17:31:51 <Ammler> is tha rollback? 17:31:55 <planetmaker> hg allows only to rollback last one 17:32:08 <planetmaker> there's pull out. But ... 17:32:28 <planetmaker> ... you don't get it removed. 17:33:10 <Ammler> I don't want to remove something 17:33:15 <Ammler> just my commit 17:33:16 <planetmaker> Don't worry about the merges. That's a _distributed_ VCS. Unlike svn :) 17:33:47 <Ammler> well, it is fine, if I had more then one commit, but ;-) 17:34:03 <planetmaker> well, it's also fine like this 17:34:08 <Ammler> well, 2 commits 17:36:22 <planetmaker> he. you commited before you said that you'd commit 17:36:34 <planetmaker> the last commit to the repo is still mine :) 17:37:05 <planetmaker> I usually edit first. Then hg pull, then hg commit within 1 minute and then hg push 17:37:58 <Ammler> yep 17:38:04 <Ammler> then my hg pull 17:38:13 <Ammler> might gone wrong 17:44:20 <planetmaker> you use hg pull -u 17:44:22 <planetmaker> ? 17:44:29 <planetmaker> e.g. you update after each pull? 17:44:42 <planetmaker> if you don't you have the new info, but still work with the old version 17:45:09 <planetmaker> pull doesn't update unless specifically told so 17:45:36 <Ammler> might be, I forgot to update 17:45:56 <planetmaker> therefor I always use "hg pull -u" :) 17:46:38 <planetmaker> ok, if you're busy finding out how to get rid of your changes, I commit a fix of my fix of your deletion :P 17:47:21 <Ammler> you shouldn't commit customized things, imo 17:47:40 <planetmaker> what's customized then? 17:47:40 <Ammler> just keep that change locally 17:47:47 <Ammler> the -w141 17:47:51 <Ammler> well, the same to me 17:47:53 <planetmaker> the -w 141 17:48:07 <planetmaker> it's for this grf basically required 17:48:21 <planetmaker> it silences only the ID errors. The pointless ones 17:48:27 <Ammler> yeah, well, the fault was more my commit, I know ;-) 17:48:48 <planetmaker> eh? 17:49:01 <Ammler> I shouln't push my removing of that -w 17:49:36 <planetmaker> well. If you want it customized, then change the script such that it accepts command line parameters to both, grfcodec and renum 17:49:58 <planetmaker> but -w141 is IMO nevertheless a result of renum as it is. 17:50:16 <Ammler> maybe adding a $debug 17:50:23 <Ammler> or a -v 17:51:13 <planetmaker> the problem is: who gets parameters: renum or grfcodec? 17:51:39 <planetmaker> btw. compiling with and without warnings doesn't change md5sum here 17:52:13 <Ammler> he? 17:52:18 <Ammler> both 17:52:27 <Ammler> good 17:54:42 <Ammler> > mäh 17:54:44 <Ammler> bash: mäh: command not found 17:54:47 <Ammler> :-) 17:54:51 <planetmaker> :P 17:55:10 <Ammler> another alias :-) 17:55:23 <planetmaker> probably for muh 17:55:29 <Ammler> lol 17:55:30 <Ammler> indeed 17:55:40 <Ammler> just thought the same, well 17:55:47 <Ammler> not that hard to get it. 17:56:19 <planetmaker> :) 18:06:16 <Brot> [DevZone] 2cc train set - Revision 71: fix #43 - changed action0 prop 1D on the tourist wagons, and they sh... (DJNekkid) - http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/2cctrainset/repository/revisions/71 18:06:17 <Brot> [DevZone] 2cc train set - Revision 74: Merge again pm :-P (Ammler) - http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/2cctrainset/repository/revisions/74 18:06:18 <Brot> [DevZone] 2cc train set - Bug #43 (Closed): Tourist coach cargo types (DJNekkid) - http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/43#change-104 18:07:13 <Ammler> planetmaker: check r72 and 73 18:07:14 *** DJNekkid has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 18:07:17 <DJNekkid> hi all 18:07:26 <Ammler> hello DJNekkid 18:07:31 <Ammler> busy day? 18:07:36 <DJNekkid> hehe, how so? 18:07:56 <Ammler> just 18:08:02 <DJNekkid> fixed a few bugs? 18:08:16 <Ammler> I meant you :P 18:08:35 <Ammler> well, already rev 74 18:08:38 <DJNekkid> i ment me as well :) 18:08:44 <DJNekkid> i've fixed a few today 18:09:32 <DJNekkid> im just not looking forward to nudgeing all \ / sprites up a couple of pixels 18:10:15 <planetmaker> hey DJNekkid :) 18:10:22 <DJNekkid> hi planetmaker :) 18:10:31 <DJNekkid> just so you all know, im about to leave agian ... 18:10:36 <DJNekkid> gonna attend a party soon 18:10:48 <Ammler> :-( 18:10:49 <planetmaker> sounds more promising than moving pixels 18:11:03 <Ammler> well, tomorrow free day? 18:11:06 <DJNekkid> its gonna be done codewise tho :) 18:11:13 <Ammler> is that everywhere the case? 18:11:15 <DJNekkid> it's ... i dunno ... christ jumping day ... tomorrow? 18:11:34 <Ammler> hehe 18:11:37 <planetmaker> ascencion day. yes 18:11:37 <Ammler> nice translation 18:11:51 <planetmaker> Himmelfahrt. heaven ride ;) 18:12:04 <DJNekkid> seriuously? 18:12:09 <planetmaker> or rather Christ's heaven ride :P 18:12:14 <Ammler> DJNekkid: so you are a christ? 18:12:21 <DJNekkid> in norwegian: "kristi (christ) himmelfarts dag(day) 18:12:38 <planetmaker> yes. Christi Himmelfahrt 18:12:43 <DJNekkid> rofl! 18:12:48 <DJNekkid> no, im an atheist btw 18:12:57 <DJNekkid> but the day is a "red day" at work none the less 18:13:03 <planetmaker> :) very much alike, eh? 18:13:07 <Ammler> or just "Uffahrt" 18:13:16 <DJNekkid> i.e. day free from work, with pay 18:13:21 <planetmaker> Ammler: but only in a small country in the Alps :P 18:14:17 <planetmaker> btw, DJNekkid I just checked the KZA2. It's fine here, too. Except the alignment on a track from upper left to lower right 18:14:32 <planetmaker> there it's fine wrt wagons, too. But wrt tracks it looks a bit off. 18:14:50 <planetmaker> I guess I'll close the old one and make a new bug report about that :) 18:14:52 <DJNekkid> what is wrt a acronym for? 18:14:57 <planetmaker> with respect to 18:15:39 <planetmaker> sorry for using it so much. :) 18:15:59 <Ammler> I read "wtf" 18:17:03 <Ammler> planetmaker: is the copy.sh useful? 18:20:32 <planetmaker> hm. More useful would IMO be a script which replaces 04 00 7F with 04 00 $ID and 04 00 FF with 04 00 <$ID+0x80> 18:21:13 <planetmaker> I guess, though, that we'll have to check each language file personally nevertheless. 18:21:18 <planetmaker> no matter what we do 18:21:36 <planetmaker> and then that replacement I said is easily done in the editor. 18:22:04 <DJNekkid> but guys 18:22:14 <DJNekkid> hmm 18:22:16 <DJNekkid> no, nvm 18:22:21 <planetmaker> no, please :) 18:22:27 <DJNekkid> i were just thinking 18:22:31 <DJNekkid> lets say i add another text 18:22:46 <DJNekkid> in english 18:22:47 <planetmaker> then there's no replacement and the default English one is used 18:23:04 <DJNekkid> but: 18:23:14 <DJNekkid> if its already a blank one .. 18:23:23 <planetmaker> yes? 18:23:25 <DJNekkid> then we might have a problem 18:23:30 <planetmaker> oh 18:23:39 <planetmaker> you're right 18:23:47 <planetmaker> I'll change that 18:23:53 <planetmaker> darn 18:24:34 <DJNekkid> but if you just remove the "" and just put 00 there 18:24:35 <planetmaker> or: you have to add the English text in the language files, too. 18:24:45 <planetmaker> that works? 18:24:52 <DJNekkid> i would think so 18:24:57 <planetmaker> I'll try 18:27:54 <Ammler> he? 18:28:14 <Ammler> if you don't want to translate a string, just don't add it 18:29:00 <Ammler> and if you add a new string to 7F, it will also be used in german or where ever. 18:29:12 <planetmaker> Doesn't work, DJNekkid 18:29:18 <DJNekkid> oki planetmaker :) 18:29:30 <DJNekkid> then we might want to remove the ""'s 18:29:32 <planetmaker> same as empty 18:29:35 <planetmaker> yes 18:30:27 <DJNekkid> optionally, rework the entire ID's :) 18:30:35 <DJNekkid> but that is _quite_ some work 18:31:50 <Ammler> hmm, you speak about something else, it seems ;-) 18:32:01 <planetmaker> well... Changine engine IDs and wagon IDs is out of question 18:32:09 <planetmaker> *changing 18:32:34 <Ammler> that would need branching 18:32:54 <planetmaker> Ammler: well... currently the translations contain many empty strings. As the IDs are anything but sequential :) 18:33:28 <planetmaker> hm... or can string IDs be seperate of vehicle IDs? I don#t think so, or? 18:33:45 <planetmaker> Ammler: that would need a version 3.0 :P 18:34:04 <planetmaker> And honestly. For a version 3.0 I'd completely change the ID scheme ;) 18:34:25 <Ammler> you could make one Action4 per string 18:34:35 <planetmaker> well. That's what was before. 18:34:42 <planetmaker> One could. 18:35:04 <DJNekkid> what Id's ... string IDs or vehicle IDs? 18:35:10 <Ammler> he, now I get why my test scripts outputs so less ;-) 18:35:36 <planetmaker> DJNekkid: aren't stringIDs tied to vehicle IDs? 18:35:39 <planetmaker> their names? 18:36:07 <DJNekkid> yes they are 18:36:16 <DJNekkid> but the \wxd0xx is not 18:36:21 <DJNekkid> i.e. 18:36:33 <DJNekkid> the F0 + <language ID> 18:36:34 <planetmaker> well, yes 18:36:44 <DJNekkid> but, now am i gonna leave, ttyl :) 18:37:06 <planetmaker> cu 18:39:22 <Ammler> hmm, that is a strang escape 18:42:29 <planetmaker> hm? 18:45:44 <Ammler> http://pastebin.ca/1429036 18:45:54 <planetmaker> what do you mean? ... I look 18:46:38 <planetmaker> nice 18:46:41 <Ammler> I commit it, you can alter it do your needs, not sure :-) 18:47:16 <planetmaker> but commit it to the main dir. Not the .../.../strings 18:48:15 <Ammler> hmm 18:48:23 <Ammler> too late :P 18:48:27 <planetmaker> muh 18:51:16 <Brot> [DevZone] 2cc train set - Revision 75: initial script to compare the language files. (Ammler) - http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/2cctrainset/repository/revisions/75 18:53:54 <Ammler> if you move them, it mgiht be better to make a script folder 18:54:22 <planetmaker> well... I like to just be in the 2cctrainset folder and be able to run everything from there 18:55:05 <planetmaker> we also could need a doc folder. And moving the xls and html files there 18:55:42 <Ammler> indeed 18:56:33 <planetmaker> ticket created :P 18:56:44 <planetmaker> fixing many tickets makes a good impression :P 18:57:04 <planetmaker> but indeed it serves the purpose that things don'g get forgotten. That's really nice 18:57:16 <Brot> [DevZone] 2cc train set - Feature #68: Add a doc folder (planetmaker) - http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/68 18:58:19 <Ammler> and such things should be checked by the leader (DJ) 18:58:56 <Ammler> oh, btw, he agreed to skip 2.1 18:59:02 <Ammler> to* 18:59:27 *** XeryusTC has quit IRC 18:59:27 *** tneo has quit IRC 18:59:28 *** DJNekkid has quit IRC 18:59:29 *** Mark has quit IRC 18:59:29 *** planetmaker has quit IRC 18:59:29 *** Brot has quit IRC 18:59:48 *** DJNekkid has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 19:00:04 *** Mark has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 19:00:13 *** XeryusTC has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 19:01:01 *** Brot has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 19:01:13 *** planetmaker has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 19:01:20 <Ammler> wb :-) 19:01:30 *** planetmaker is now known as Guest29 19:01:43 <Ammler> you should configure your bouncer 19:02:23 *** tneo has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 19:02:26 *** Guest29 is now known as planetmaker 19:02:48 <Ammler> the bouncer has also a nickserv support 19:03:01 <planetmaker> hm, yes. I somehow cannot log in. 19:03:12 <Ammler> to the bouncer admin panel? 19:03:18 <planetmaker> yes 19:04:43 <Ammler> you should tell dih 19:04:56 <Ammler> he might be not aware of 19:04:56 <planetmaker> hm... wait. the port on a51 is wrong 19:05:15 <Ammler> 8080 19:06:22 <Ammler> now you "verschlimmbessert" 19:06:24 <Ammler> :P 19:06:30 <planetmaker> 6667 I get a login 19:06:34 <planetmaker> query 19:06:43 <planetmaker> 8080 doesn't work 19:06:50 <Ammler> 6667 is hte irc port 19:07:52 <planetmaker> hm... might be. but why do I get a query window for login and pw? 19:08:02 <Ammler> he, I am removed :-) 19:08:12 <Ammler> looks good 19:08:26 <Ammler> are you admin now? 19:08:30 <planetmaker> no 19:08:33 <planetmaker> not that I know 19:08:58 <Ammler> I told him, as he asked, if he can remove me to add a someone else as admin 19:09:03 <Ammler> maybe tneo is then. 19:09:29 <planetmaker> well.... :8080 is in my browser history. So it should be the port, yes 19:10:53 <Ammler> well, 6667 gives me the login, too 19:10:59 <Ammler> so he might have changed that 19:11:04 <Ammler> were you able to login? 19:11:16 <planetmaker> not with any of my logins... 19:11:27 <Ammler> the same you use for the IRC 19:11:38 <Ammler> with /quote .... 19:12:03 *** Brot has quit IRC 19:12:03 *** Mark has quit IRC 19:12:17 <Ammler> I can't access with my irc port to the admin panel 19:12:38 *** tneo has quit IRC 19:12:38 *** planetmaker has quit IRC 19:12:38 *** XeryusTC has quit IRC 19:12:38 *** DJNekkid has quit IRC 19:12:43 *** Mark has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 19:12:53 *** DJNekkid has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 19:12:59 *** Brot has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 19:13:13 *** XeryusTC has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 19:14:03 *** planetmaker has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 19:14:11 <Ammler> wb again :P 19:14:13 *** planetmaker is now known as Guest48 19:14:53 *** tneo has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 19:14:54 *** DJNekkid has quit IRC 19:14:59 <Guest48> hmpf 19:15:08 *** DJNekkid has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 19:16:04 *** Guest48 is now known as planetmaker 19:16:15 <planetmaker> grrrr 19:19:05 <Ammler> you can use a bouncer at oftc, but then you would join with @ammler.ch ;-) 19:19:15 <Ammler> ottdc* 19:19:16 <planetmaker> eh? 19:20:22 <planetmaker> why would an oftc bouncer give me a host mask of ammler.ch? 19:20:33 <Ammler> ottdc 19:20:55 <planetmaker> ah at the mz server? 19:21:01 <Ammler> yes 19:21:01 <planetmaker> e.g. yours? 19:21:09 <planetmaker> hm... might be an idea :) 19:21:19 <planetmaker> there I know what's going on :) 19:21:45 <planetmaker> an the owner is... more responsive to user requests :) 19:21:55 <Ammler> I might need to setup a list with things I should check after a reboot 19:22:09 <planetmaker> he. always a good idea. 19:22:18 <planetmaker> also to have the same after a re-isntall :P 19:23:06 <Ammler> I started a bit: http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/admin/wiki/Dev 19:24:48 <tneo> port for bouncer = 9999 on a https url 19:27:10 <planetmaker> that's the same login screen. Hm... or I lost my login & pw there... 19:27:56 <planetmaker> tneo: you might want to add that to a51 :) 19:28:30 <tneo> will do 19:29:02 <Ammler> tneo: are you admin now? 19:29:14 <tneo> where ? 19:29:20 <Ammler> bouncer 19:30:29 <Ammler> pm, it is also possible to configure with irc 19:30:38 <Ammler> /query *status 19:31:15 <tneo> not to my knowledge... 19:31:21 <planetmaker> hm... for some reason I'm logged in now... 19:31:37 <planetmaker> I can swear to have used the same login and pw before 19:32:02 <tneo> be back in a bit 19:32:02 <Ammler> or in your case /query *nickserv 19:32:37 <Ammler> and then help 19:35:11 <planetmaker> hm... I always wondered what "keep buffer" as good for if I can set a buffer count in any channel... 19:35:51 <Ammler> default setting for new channels, maybe 19:44:20 <Ammler> planetmaker: /msg *status Version 19:44:26 <Ammler> what do you get? 19:46:14 <planetmaker> ZNC 0.067 - http://znc.sourceforge.net 19:51:16 <tneo> back 19:51:23 <Ammler> oh, never then my 19:53:59 <tneo> -*status- * LAST UPGRADE * 19:54:01 <tneo> -*status- * 16.Mar.2009 to version 0.067 (r1419) * 19:55:50 <planetmaker> wb 20:00:16 <Brot> [DevZone] 2cc train set - Revision 76: Fix: don't declare unused strings in the English original (planetmaker) - http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/2cctrainset/repository/revisions/76 20:27:45 <Ammler> ha 20:42:16 <Brot> [DevZone] 2cc train set - Revision 77: Feature: UTF-8 support for languages (planetmaker) - http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/2cctrainset/repository/revisions/77 20:43:05 <Ammler> / Engines from region 2 <-- don't like numbers ;-) 20:44:11 <Ammler> tneo: there is no note on the status about the port change? 20:44:36 <planetmaker> hm? 20:44:44 <planetmaker> you mean the comments are... bad? 20:45:03 <Ammler> no 20:45:10 <planetmaker> e.g. it should state "Engines from South Europe (region 2)"? 20:45:16 <Ammler> yeah :-) 20:45:27 <planetmaker> :) yes, I think so, too 20:45:49 <planetmaker> wait with fixing a few minutes, though 20:45:57 <Ammler> what abou ta excel table for translation 20:46:26 <planetmaker> what purpose would it serve? 20:46:46 <Ammler> you would see on one view what is missing 20:47:13 <Ammler> the excel could be a google doc where translators would have access 20:48:04 <Ammler> I mean, if you know run check.sh, you see, it has errors, but where? 20:48:10 <Ammler> now* 20:49:45 <planetmaker> well. I know what translation is broken. 20:50:21 <planetmaker> or I'd need to make the script more intelligent and parse the stringIDs and compare them whether they have the same amount of strings 20:50:35 <planetmaker> the order should be the same - or at least that can be assumed 20:51:04 <planetmaker> e.g 04 00 02 \b1 5D "string1" 00 20:51:13 <planetmaker> e.g 04 00 02 \b1 5D 20:51:23 <planetmaker> ^^rather that will be identical in all languages. 20:51:33 <planetmaker> if English differs there - you got an additional string 20:51:34 <Ammler> renum could make such check 20:51:59 <planetmaker> not generally useful. Not all strings need translation. 20:52:07 <planetmaker> "432" could as well be skipped 20:52:22 <planetmaker> we just do it despite 20:52:35 <planetmaker> for simplicity's reason 20:54:22 <Ammler> those leading spaces should be replaced by a VAR and replaced on generating 21:00:12 <Ammler> oh, btw. one of us uses a different/wrong/uncommon amount of spaces for tabs 21:00:36 <Ammler> http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/2cctrainset/repository/revisions/77/entry/sprites/nfo/strings/7F_english.nfo 21:07:35 <planetmaker> he. and who? 21:09:51 <planetmaker> well, it looks ugly, I agree. 21:13:58 <Ammler> it looks the same locally 21:14:15 <Ammler> it seems you use 4 spaces and me is using 8 21:25:18 <Brot> [DevZone] 2cc train set - Revision 78: Codechange: remove unused strings also from other languages (planetmaker) - http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/2cctrainset/repository/revisions/78 21:46:18 <Brot> [DevZone] Mercurial Templates - Revision 2: www.openttdcoop.org -> dev.openttdcoop.org (marcel@localhost.localdomain) - http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/hg-templates/repository/revisions/2 21:50:49 <planetmaker> :P 21:50:56 <planetmaker> Ammler: .hg/hgrc? 21:51:26 <Ammler> :-) 21:51:47 <Ammler> I need to make a ~/.hgrc 21:56:11 <planetmaker> hm... good idea 21:56:19 <planetmaker> will that be used? 22:04:40 <Ammler> yes 22:04:42 <Ammler> it should 22:04:52 <planetmaker> I'll give it a try :) 22:04:57 <planetmaker> but now good night :) 22:05:11 <Ammler> :-) 22:05:25 <Ammler> I have again tried rollback 22:05:49 <Ammler> it even works on the server after a push 22:06:02 <Ammler> but redmine doesn't remove it again 22:06:29 <planetmaker> :D 22:09:04 <Ammler> let me see, what happen, if I push again 22:22:18 <Brot> [DevZone] Mercurial Templates - Revision 2: www.openttdcoop.org -> dev.openttdcoop.org (2nd try) (Ammler) - http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/hg-templates/repository/revisions/2 23:25:18 <Brot> [DevZone] 2cc train set - Feature #68: Add a doc folder (DJNekkid) - http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/68#change-106 23:27:03 <Ammler> wb DJNekkid ;-) 23:28:19 <Brot> [DevZone] 2cc train set - Feature #49: automatically warn, if translations are not up2date (Ammler) - http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/49#change-107 23:28:19 <DJNekkid> ty 23:28:20 <Brot> [DevZone] 2cc train set - Feature #49 (Assigned): automatically warn, if translations are not up2date (Ammler) - http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/49#change-108 23:29:16 <Ammler> I will remove version 2.03 23:29:23 <DJNekkid> please do 23:30:00 * Ammler is wondering, what happens to issues assigned to 23:30:30 <DJNekkid> witch one? 23:30:44 <Ammler> to 2.03 23:30:55 <DJNekkid> ahh 23:31:02 <DJNekkid> we are currently at 100% on 2.03 23:31:03 <Ammler> no open 23:31:06 <DJNekkid> atleast we were earlier 23:31:07 <DJNekkid> :) 23:31:08 <Ammler> yes :-) 23:31:19 <DJNekkid> at 91% now 23:31:23 <DJNekkid> no 23:31:25 <DJNekkid> thats 2.1 23:31:41 <Ammler> but you won't release 2.03? 23:31:45 <DJNekkid> nah 23:31:48 <DJNekkid> not much point 23:31:53 <Ammler> yep 23:31:59 <DJNekkid> imho: 23:32:06 <DJNekkid> we work out the current bugs 23:32:10 <DJNekkid> not add any new features 23:32:13 <DJNekkid> and release a 2.1 23:32:33 <DJNekkid> then we work out a roadmap with possible new featues, stuff and stash 23:32:39 <DJNekkid> and then begin work on that 23:33:18 <Ammler> well, the translation is a new feature, which is already included 23:33:36 <Ammler> that is my main reason to skip 2.03 23:33:49 <Ammler> oh, btw., why is it already version 2? 23:34:04 <Ammler> :-) 23:34:25 <DJNekkid> because ... *point at something, wave, and point at something else* 23:34:34 <DJNekkid> well, it's beta2 23:34:39 <DJNekkid> not version 2! 23:34:44 <Ammler> hmm 23:34:58 <Ammler> hehe 23:35:01 <Ammler> so I am confused 23:35:16 <Ammler> it is version 1beta2, right? 23:35:31 <DJNekkid> ok :) 23:35:34 <DJNekkid> :p 23:35:36 <Ammler> hehe 23:35:50 <DJNekkid> or RC1 23:35:52 <Ammler> nvm 23:35:53 <DJNekkid> or RC5 or so 23:36:00 <Ammler> :-D 23:36:03 <DJNekkid> or about compilation around nr1000 23:36:07 <DJNekkid> i dunno mister 23:36:18 <DJNekkid> it's my first thing i've ever made computerwise 23:36:26 <Ammler> we just remove "beta" 23:36:33 <Ammler> and it will become 2.1 23:37:03 <DJNekkid> _I_ think ... we should fix the current bugs, not many left btw, add some translations, and release a version 1.0 23:37:35 <DJNekkid> then we branch of the version 1.0 23:37:44 <DJNekkid> fix any bugs if found, and release 1.01 etc 23:37:53 <DJNekkid> or 1.0.1 23:37:58 <Ammler> yep 23:37:59 <DJNekkid> or whatever suits someones needs 23:38:04 <Ammler> 1.01 is bad 23:38:07 <DJNekkid> and then work on a 2.0 23:38:16 <DJNekkid> with whatever we figure out we want 23:38:30 <DJNekkid> reworked regions, a "realistic" switch 23:38:31 <DJNekkid> etc 23:38:39 <Ammler> :-) 23:38:48 <DJNekkid> how does that sound to you? 23:38:52 <Ammler> yeah, parameter would accept more then 8 bits 23:39:01 <DJNekkid> 32bits iirc 23:39:02 <Ammler> sounds fine too 23:39:33 <Ammler> don't you think, you confuse people, if you go from "Beta 2.02" to "1.0" ? 23:39:51 <Ammler> hmm, it is fine with me 23:39:58 <DJNekkid> i can only speak for myself, but i would not think so ... 23:40:07 <Ammler> version 2 would need a new GRFID 23:40:07 <DJNekkid> when stuff is in beta, it is in beta 23:40:17 <Ammler> like when you change Veh IDs 23:40:46 <DJNekkid> and when things gets an "official" release, it's version 1.0 :) 23:40:49 <DJNekkid> atleast in my head 23:40:56 <Ammler> as long as the GRF is compatible to earlier versions, it should stay with 1 23:41:08 <DJNekkid> 1.5 then 23:41:16 <DJNekkid> or ... something 23:41:18 <DJNekkid> u get my drift 23:41:22 <Ammler> hehe 23:41:27 <Ammler> 1.0 is fine, really. 23:41:45 <DJNekkid> point is, it is in beta now ... the 2.02 from the beginning of april 23:41:51 <DJNekkid> _with_ bugs 23:43:56 <DJNekkid> when the final bugs are fixed, a "release version" 1.0 is released 23:44:10 <DJNekkid> then, the development continues 23:45:33 <Ammler> ok 23:45:58 <DJNekkid> am i total stupid here, or do i make sense? :) 23:46:08 <Ammler> but another point is, with the changes now, it could have new bugs 23:46:18 <Brot> [DevZone] 2cc train set - Bug #69: Alignments of just about everything (DJNekkid) - http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/69 23:46:27 <Ammler> hehe 23:46:40 <Ammler> that is nice bug title 23:46:56 <DJNekkid> hehe... 23:47:01 <DJNekkid> im just beeing honest here! 23:47:33 <Ammler> omg 23:47:43 <Ammler> I just recognized a nice feature 23:47:56 <Ammler> the devzone has right mouse support 23:49:06 <Ammler> I was able to mark all bugs and move them to version 1 at once 23:50:52 <DJNekkid> yey :) 23:52:18 <Brot> [DevZone] 2cc train set - Bug #69: Alignments of just about everything (Ammler) - http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/69#change-120 23:52:19 <DJNekkid> wanna give a few of us op, so it's not lost? 23:53:35 <Ammler> you are on the chanop list 23:53:56 <Ammler> you could run "/cs op #openttdcoop.devzone" 23:54:13 *** Ammler sets mode: +o Webster 23:54:23 <Ammler> or "@op" 23:55:22 <DJNekkid> @op 23:55:40 <DJNekkid> @op 23:55:43 <Ammler> well, Webster might not know you 23:55:49 <Ammler> @whoami 23:55:49 <Webster> Ammler: Ammler 23:55:51 <DJNekkid> [01:55:38] -Webster- Error: You don't have the #openttdcoop.devzone,op capability. If you think that you should have this capability, be sure that you are identified before trying again. The 'whoami' command can tell you if you're identified. 23:55:55 <DJNekkid> @whoami 23:55:55 <Webster> DJNekkid: I don't recognize you. 23:56:04 <Ammler> :-) 23:56:42 <Ammler> @op DJNekkid 23:56:42 *** Webster sets mode: +o DJNekkid 23:57:01 <Ammler> but you can always op with chanserv 23:57:08 <Ammler> like the first command I gave 23:57:32 <Ammler> http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/2cctrainset/roadmap <-- better? 23:57:46 <Ammler> you can edit those things btw. 23:58:02 <Ammler> right top is edit button or with settings 23:58:41 <DJNekkid> we are probably on to something here :)