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(Usage: 55M) 01:33:23 <Brot6> I'm rated PG-34!! 04:47:32 *** DJ_Nekkid has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 04:52:19 *** DJNekkid has quit IRC 04:55:35 *** DJ_Nekkid has quit IRC 06:30:03 *** andythenorth has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 08:06:48 *** andythenorth_ has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 08:06:48 *** andythenorth has quit IRC 08:20:49 *** andythenorth_ has quit IRC 08:54:24 *** andythenorth has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 08:59:29 *** andythenorth has quit IRC 09:57:05 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: World Airliners Set - Revision 93: Added MD81 Greyscale.png @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/worldairlineset/repository/revisions/93 (by Beardie27) 10:18:47 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: World Airliners Set - Revision 94: Add MD82 Greyscle.png @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/worldairlineset/repository/revisions/94 (by Beardie27) 10:18:47 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: World Airliners Set - Revision 95: Removed Thumb @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/worldairlineset/repository/revisions/95 (by Beardie27) 10:24:28 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: World Airliners Set - Feature #204: Create A380-800 Nfo @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/204 (by Beardie27) 10:24:57 *** andythenorth has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 10:28:25 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: World Airliners Set - Feature #205: Create A380-800 Pcxs @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/205 (by Beardie27) 10:30:34 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: World Airliners Set - Feature #206: Turkish Airlines 146-100 @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/206 (by Beardie27) 10:32:15 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: World Airliners Set - Feature #207: Update Tracking Table For r14 release @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/207 (by Beardie27) 10:32:43 *** Beardie has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 10:47:31 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: World Airliners Set - Revision 96: Added MD83 Greyscale.png @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/worldairlineset/repository/revisions/96 (by Beardie27) 11:02:58 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: World Airliners Set - Feature #197: Sort MD80s+MD90 Greyscales @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/197#change-430 (by Beardie27) 12:11:01 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: World Airliners Set - Revision 97: Added MD87 Greyscale.png @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/worldairlineset/repository/revisions/97 (by Beardie27) 12:11:01 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: World Airliners Set - Feature #197: Sort MD80s+MD90 Greyscales @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/197#change-431 (by Beardie27) 12:28:48 <Beardie> Ammler : Whats with the Thumbs? 12:29:10 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: World Airliners Set - Revision 98: Added MD88 Greyscale.png @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/worldairlineset/repository/revisions/98 (by Beardie27) 12:29:10 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: World Airliners Set - Revision 99: Removed Thumb @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/worldairlineset/repository/revisions/99 (by Beardie27) 12:30:02 <Ammler> Beardie: don't add them 12:30:27 <Ammler> please add those to the ignore list 12:30:37 <Beardie> where is the ignore list 12:33:26 <Beardie> Ammler 12:34:25 <Ammler> hg help hgignore 12:34:32 <Ammler> and hg help hgrc 12:35:28 <Ammler> how do you add files? 12:35:41 <Beardie> hg add <file dirctory> 12:35:58 <Ammler> yeah, if you don't want to use hgignore 12:36:09 <Ammler> then specific the files you add 12:36:19 <Ammler> and not just include the whole dir 12:36:26 <Beardie> ok 12:36:35 <Beardie> so go right down to the file and add it 12:36:42 <Beardie> rather than adding the folder 12:36:48 <Ammler> or remove them again before commit :P 12:37:12 <Beardie> ok but hg ignore does not work 12:37:14 <Ammler> well, easiest is hgignore 12:37:19 <Beardie> no spaces? 12:37:48 <Beardie> "hg ignore" or "hgignore"? 12:38:09 <Ammler> ? 12:38:30 <Beardie> to type in command 12:38:33 <Ammler> the file is called .hgignore 12:38:41 <Beardie> there is a file? 12:38:54 <Ammler> vim .hgignore 12:38:55 <Beardie> look Ammler i have no idea how this works 12:39:01 <Ammler> man hgignore 12:39:04 <Ammler> man hgrc 12:39:22 <Ammler> I have not much ideas about such tools in windows :-) 12:39:28 <Beardie> sorry but this makes no sense 12:39:49 <Ammler> but I am sure there is a manual in windows, either 12:39:55 <Ammler> else use google 12:39:59 <Beardie> oklol 12:42:59 <Ammler> http://lmgtfy.com/?q=hgignore 12:43:00 <Webster> Title: Let me google that for you (at lmgtfy.com) 12:43:30 <Ammler> I am kinda sure, tortoise has a GUI for 12:45:48 <Beardie> http://www.selenic.com/mercurial/wiki/.hgignore 12:45:49 <Webster> Title: .hgignore - Mercurial (at www.selenic.com) 12:47:02 <Beardie> ok 12:51:07 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: World Airliners Set - Feature #197: Sort MD80s+MD90 Greyscales @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/197#change-432 (by Beardie27) 13:05:23 *** andythenorth has quit IRC 13:19:29 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: World Airliners Set - Revision 100: Added MD90 Greyscale.png @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/worldairlineset/repository/revisions/100 (by Beardie27) 13:25:55 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: World Airliners Set - Revision 101: Fix #197 - Updated TT With Completion of MD80s+MD90 @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/worldairlineset/repository/revisions/101 (by Beardie27) 13:25:55 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: World Airliners Set - Feature #197 (Closed): Sort MD80s+MD90 Greyscales @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/197#change-433 (by Beardie27) 13:32:37 *** andythenorth has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 13:46:58 *** andythenorth has quit IRC 14:18:29 *** Beardie has quit IRC 14:21:56 *** andythenorth has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 14:50:18 *** andythenorth has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 14:53:39 *** andythenorth has quit IRC 15:05:54 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: World Airliners Set - Revision 102: Fix #203 - Conrcorde Re-alligned With Runway On Take and Landing @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/worldairlineset/repository/revisions/102 (by Beardie27) 15:05:54 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: World Airliners Set - Bug #203 (Closed): Re-allign Concorde on Runway @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/203#change-434 (by Beardie27) 15:16:56 *** DJNekkid has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 15:42:59 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: World Airliners Set - Revision 103: Added DC10-10 Greyscale.png @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/worldairlineset/repository/revisions/103 (by Beardie27) 15:42:59 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: World Airliners Set - Revision 104: Moved MD90 Into Correct Folder Destination (Cleanup) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/worldairlineset/repository/revisions/104 (by Beardie27) 15:52:15 *** FooBar_ has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 16:05:12 <Ammler> FooBar_: it should theoretically be possible to make the opengfx extra grf equally to the openttdw.grf, right? 16:05:54 <Ammler> (same real sprites numbers) 16:07:43 <Ammler> or other question, why isn't it identical? 16:10:45 <FooBar_> There's more stuff in ogfx_extra than in openttdw 16:11:04 <FooBar_> For instance the climate-specific river/canal graphics 16:11:14 <Ammler> but that could be appended on the end. 16:11:45 <FooBar_> or the support for (almost?) every latin language supported by OpenTTD 16:12:01 <Ammler> I played a bit with 32bpp and wondering, if it is possible to keep opengfx compatible to. 16:12:39 <FooBar_> With a bit of effort that should be possible 16:14:25 <FooBar_> climate specific trains are in Extra as well... 16:14:55 <FooBar_> To me it looks that all the additional features are at the end already, but there might be some slight differences elsewhere 16:15:07 <FooBar_> mainly the signals bit 16:15:40 <FooBar_> unfortunately that's in the front so messing up all else ;) 16:15:50 <Ammler> hmm, I need to test it with something 32bpp, but don't know what. 16:15:59 <Ammler> ah ok :-) 16:18:02 <FooBar_> The biggest problem is the difference in the way the additional shore tile graphics are coded. I coded them to spec, where last time I checked (i.e. r14977) OpenTTD didn't... 16:18:02 <Brot6> OpenGFX: nightly compile not needed. (r72) 16:19:51 <Ammler> then it might need a patch for openttd? ;-) 16:20:45 <FooBar_> Or an update of the spec to make the "openttd way" legal as well. 16:21:18 <FooBar_> Changing OpenTTD would be a bit problematic as that would involve including even more original TTD sprites in openttd?.grf 16:21:54 <Ammler> that is no problem 16:22:04 <Ammler> openttd has a lot original grfs 16:22:17 <Ammler> !s/grfs/graphics/ 16:23:31 <Ammler> as openttdw.grf depense on the originals anyway, there shouldn't be a legal issue. 16:24:27 <Ammler> maybe we should code our extra with like openttd does? 16:24:53 <FooBar_> It seems that OpenTTD secretly uses a new version of the spec, which never got published. As there's two extra sprites in openttdw which are not in the spec 16:25:43 <FooBar_> I'm leaning towards using the openttd-way of coding it (and adding that to the spec!), but we might be short some sprites then... 16:26:02 <Ammler> we? 16:26:06 <Ammler> opengfx? 16:26:14 <FooBar_> "we" == "opengfx" 16:26:32 <Ammler> well, imo, it would be worth :-) 16:26:58 <FooBar_> seconded 16:27:20 <FooBar_> I'll have to check with Zeph if we have those sprites; otherwise they need to be created :) 16:27:38 <FooBar_> i'll do a ticket as well 16:27:41 <Ammler> do you agree to split "our" extra like http://vcs.openttd.org/svn/browser/extra/ottd_grf/split ? 16:27:59 <Ammler> at least the nfo part 16:30:06 <FooBar_> sure. If it needs to be recoded, that change can be made in one go 16:30:20 <FooBar_> adding that to the ticket as well ;) 16:30:47 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: World Airliners Set - Bug #166: Sort DC10 greyscale @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/166#change-435 (by Beardie27) 16:34:15 <FooBar_> I targeted it 0.1.0-beta1, but if it's done earlier, it's done earlier (which most likely will happen anyways) 16:36:29 <FooBar_> I think we can just borrow ottd's makefile system for it 16:36:51 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: OpenGFX - Feature #208: Reorder ogfx_extra to keep sprite numbers equal to openttdw.grf to suppor... @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/208 (by foobar) 16:39:52 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: World Airliners Set - Revision 105: Fix #205 - Created A380-800 Pcx, Greyscale + Emirates @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/worldairlineset/repository/revisions/105 (by Beardie27) 16:39:52 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: World Airliners Set - Feature #205 (Closed): Create A380-800 Pcxs @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/205#change-436 (by Beardie27) 16:47:56 <Ammler> "- make unofficial ottd shoreline spec official." <-- I like that most ;-) 16:53:13 *** andythenorth has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 16:58:42 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: World Airliners Set - Revision 106: Added DC10-20 Greyscale.png @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/worldairlineset/repository/revisions/106 (by Beardie27) 16:58:42 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: World Airliners Set - Revision 107: Added DC10-30 Greyscale.png @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/worldairlineset/repository/revisions/107 (by Beardie27) 17:00:24 <Hirundo> andythenorth: does the latest version of HEQS specify weights and powers? 17:04:59 *** Beardie has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 17:06:21 <Beardie> Hello DJ, do you know anything about hgignore 17:06:35 <Beardie> DJNekkid 17:09:56 <Ammler> Beardie: what is the issue? 17:10:10 <Hirundo> Rule #1 when asking a question: ask it 17:10:14 <andythenorth> Hirundo: I'm at work (the paid kind). I don't remember if HEQS code has HP and weight set. I can't check tonight, but I can tomorrow morning. 17:10:15 <andythenorth> http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/heqs/repository/changes/sprites/heqs_header.pnfo 17:10:50 <andythenorth> I don't think it's set. There seems to be no action 0 for it, I don't remember if they are action 0 properties, or set by a callback 17:11:08 <andythenorth> Sorry! Will get a better reply when I have spare time :| 17:12:06 <Beardie> Well Ammler as you said before you knew nothing about hgignore 17:12:44 <Beardie> i was wondering if DJNekkid knew 17:12:44 <Ammler> really :-o 17:12:55 <Beardie> well you told me to consult google 17:12:58 <Ammler> I said, I don't need it :P 17:13:03 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: World Airliners Set - Revision 108: Added DC10-40 Greyscale.png @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/worldairlineset/repository/revisions/108 (by Beardie27) 17:13:38 <Beardie> I have not a sinlge clue how to use hgignore 17:13:49 <Ammler> that was to show you easy you get the infos self. 17:14:03 <Beardie> well i couldn't find anything 17:15:21 <Ammler> english is your native language? 17:15:30 <Beardie> yes 17:15:37 <Ammler> http://www.selenic.com/mercurial/hgignore.5.html 17:15:38 <Webster> Title: HGIGNORE(5) (at www.selenic.com) 17:15:44 <Beardie> yes i have been there 17:15:53 <Beardie> it states what it is, but not how to use it 17:16:15 <Beardie> well it does 17:16:25 <Ammler> in your case, it might be easiert to make a repo ingore file 17:16:47 <Ammler> just add a file to your repo root: .hgignore 17:17:19 <Ammler> and then a line Thumbs.db 17:17:29 <Ammler> and *.exe and such 17:18:22 <Beardie> would it just be a normal txt file? 17:18:54 <Ammler> yes, well without .txt 17:19:15 <Ammler> check EXAMPLE there 17:21:49 <Ammler> you can check, if it works, with i.e. hg st 17:22:23 <Beardie> just one question what is the file name? 17:22:34 <Beardie> ibviously i can't just call it .hgignore 17:24:27 <FooBar_> that has to be the filename though 17:24:48 <FooBar_> Windows doesn't like that, so if you're creating it manually, you'll have to rename it using a command prompt 17:24:51 <FooBar_> i.e. 17:24:53 <Ammler> hhe, why can't you? 17:25:02 <FooBar_> rename hgignore.txt .hgignore 17:25:04 <Beardie> windows doesn;t like it 17:25:09 <Beardie> ok 17:25:27 <Ammler> or change explorere setting to show extensions. 17:25:59 <FooBar_> Ammler: no, windows doesn't allow you create files with only an extension (at least it thinks it is one) 17:26:00 <Beardie> it is noe a HGINGNORE file 17:26:15 <FooBar_> then you made a bad :) 17:26:36 <Beardie> a bad? 17:26:37 <FooBar_> as there's an N too many ;) 17:27:01 <Beardie> o lol 17:27:22 <Beardie> thats my spelling mistake on the chat the file is still correct 17:27:36 <Ammler> well, if it doesn't work, we create a template for you. 17:27:39 <FooBar_> well, if it's correct on the file, then it should be alright 17:28:21 <Beardie> right i think it worked 17:28:29 <Beardie> before i made the file i did hg st 17:28:42 <Beardie> i could see all the thumbs.db files 17:28:45 <Beardie> after it 17:28:50 <Beardie> i did another hg st 17:28:55 <Beardie> and they were all gone 17:29:33 <FooBar_> then it works :) 17:29:48 <Beardie> may i put the .hgignore file into the repo online? so frank and DJ cna download it, or do i have to send it them manually? 17:30:00 <Beardie> hence can i commit it? 17:34:17 <Ammler> yes, add it 17:34:55 <Ammler> usually, I suggest to use a local ignore for OS specific files, but in this case, it might be better to add it to the repo. 17:35:06 <Beardie> ok ty 17:35:14 <Ammler> else Frank will have the same hassle :-) 17:36:05 <Beardie> yes i was thinking that 17:36:07 <Beardie> thanks 17:36:18 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: World Airliners Set - Revision 109: Fix #166 - Updated TT With Completion of DC10s Greyscales.png @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/worldairlineset/repository/revisions/109 (by Beardie27) 17:36:18 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: World Airliners Set - Bug #166 (Closed): Sort DC10 greyscale @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/166#change-437 (by Beardie27) 17:36:18 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: World Airliners Set - Revision 110: Add .hgignore File, For Ignoring all Thumbs.db files @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/worldairlineset/repository/revisions/110 (by Beardie27) 17:37:08 <Beardie> There you go, also you mentioned that i could request different words for a Issue closure during a Commit 17:37:18 <Beardie> or was i wrong? 17:41:09 <Ammler> yes, what do you like? 17:41:16 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: World Airliners Set - Feature #207 (Assigned): Update Tracking Table For r14 release @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/207#change-438 (by Beardie27) 17:41:16 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: World Airliners Set - Feature #206 (Assigned): Turkish Airlines 146-100 @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/206#change-439 (by Beardie27) 17:41:16 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: World Airliners Set - Feature #199 (Assigned): Sort Boeing 717 Greyscale @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/199#change-440 (by Beardie27) 17:41:16 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: World Airliners Set - Feature #195 (Assigned): Add Iberia Colour Scheme to Sheet @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/195#change-441 (by Beardie27) 17:41:18 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: World Airliners Set - Feature #192 (Assigned): Add Spanir Air Colour Scheme to Colour Scheme Sheet. @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/192#change-442 (by Beardie27) 17:41:22 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: World Airliners Set - Feature #183 (Assigned): Finish Colour Schemes Sheet @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/183#change-443 (by Beardie27) 17:41:25 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: World Airliners Set - Feature #180 (Assigned): A380 Singapore @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/180#change-444 (by Beardie27) 17:41:28 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: World Airliners Set - Feature #178 (Assigned): A380 Qantas @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/178#change-445 (by Beardie27) 17:43:37 <Beardie> i was wondering if i could have the words "Fixed" and "Updated" 17:44:07 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: World Airliners Set - Feature #177 (Assigned): Add sound for existing aircraft @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/177#change-446 (by Beardie27) 17:44:07 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: World Airliners Set - Feature #173 (Assigned): Finish the Malev F70 @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/173#change-447 (by Beardie27) 17:44:07 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: World Airliners Set - Feature #169 (Assigned): Dash 8 Greyscale @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/169#change-448 (by Beardie27) 17:44:07 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: World Airliners Set - Feature #168 (Assigned): BAC1-11 Greyscales @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/168#change-449 (by Beardie27) 17:44:11 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: World Airliners Set - Feature #167 (Assigned): Sort 747-200/-400D/-400F(SCD)/-400F(BCF) Greyscales @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/167#change-450 (by Beardie27) 17:44:15 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: World Airliners Set - Feature #200 (Assigned): Create World Airlines Set Alpha Release GRF @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/200#change-451 (by Beardie27) 17:44:19 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: World Airliners Set - Feature #184 (Assigned): Pokemon 747-400 @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/184#change-452 (by Beardie27) 17:44:22 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: World Airliners Set - Feature #204 (Assigned): Create A380-800 Nfo @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/204#change-453 (by Beardie27) 17:44:56 <Beardie> Sorry i will repeat that incase you lost it in the feed 17:44:58 <Beardie> "i was wondering if i could have the words "Fixed" and "Updated" " 17:45:34 <Ammler> no need, already done :P 17:45:48 <Ammler> nothing goes lost here 17:45:56 <Beardie> ok lol 17:46:41 <Ammler> you can always make suggestions here: http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/home/wiki/Welcome 17:46:47 <Ammler> just create a ticket 17:47:55 *** andythenorth has quit IRC 17:48:32 <FooBar_> can we have a list of those "magic keywords" available together with what they do (e.g. close and/or create reference)? 17:52:22 <Beardie> yes that would be nice too :) 17:53:23 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: World Airliners Set - Feature #180 (Closed): A380 Singapore @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/180#change-455 (by FaddyPainter) 17:53:23 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: World Airliners Set - Feature #207 (Closed): Update Tracking Table For r14 release @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/207#change-456 (by FaddyPainter) 17:53:49 <Ammler> FooBar_: well, it isn't meant, that you write your comments that way 17:54:05 <Ammler> it would be better, we add the word you like to the liest 17:54:08 <Ammler> -e 17:55:14 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: World Airliners Set - Feature #209: Update Tracking Table - r14 release @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/209 (by FaddyPainter) 17:55:27 <FooBar_> I'm in favour of standarized comments. That only works with a list... 17:55:34 <Ammler> maybe, we could create a wiki page, how a commit message should look, I could then add the list there 17:56:10 <FooBar_> that would be nice 17:56:17 <FooBar_> want me to have a go on a page? 17:58:30 <Ammler> yes 17:58:32 <Ammler> :-) 17:58:55 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: World Airliners Set - Feature #209 (Assigned): Update Tracking Table - r14 release @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/209#change-457 (by FaddyPainter) 17:58:56 <Ammler> the list isn't fixed, 17:59:33 <Ammler> references: Referencing keywords 17:59:43 <Ammler> refs,references,Issue,feature,add, updated 17:59:55 <Ammler> Fixing keywords 18:00:05 <Ammler> fixes,closes,fix,close, bug, fixed 18:00:28 <Ammler> Applied status: closed 100% Done: 18:00:58 <FooBar_> thanks 18:02:16 <Beardie> "Updated" as well 18:04:52 <Ammler> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=796084#p796084 <-- extspotter is very rough 18:04:53 <Webster> Title: Transport Tycoon Forums View topic - [WIP] The World Airliners Set - New Poll (at www.tt-forums.net) 18:05:04 <Ammler> could be said in a lot nicer way 18:06:52 <Ammler> Beardie: is there, but imo, it should not be used for closing, ok? 18:10:35 <Beardie> emm ok 18:10:55 <Beardie> extspotter is just putting a point across 18:13:06 <Ammler> well, just my opinion, it is up2you, it is your project ;-) 18:14:15 <Beardie> true 18:15:08 <Ammler> there are enough other guys in the forums, who tell how bad others are. 18:15:09 <Beardie> do you know what year i set a vehicle to be avaliable for it to be avaliable forever? 18:15:22 <FooBar_> FF? 18:15:41 <Ammler> 0? 18:15:45 <FooBar_> don't know for sure, as I never go past 256 years :P 18:16:01 <Beardie> well i use a word function 18:16:14 <Beardie> \w2000-01-10 18:16:16 <FooBar_> since when is that a word? 18:16:18 <Beardie> example 18:16:27 <FooBar_> oh well, try 00 00 first 18:16:34 <FooBar_> and if that doesn't work, set FF FF 18:16:57 <Ammler> it is a byte or the dword 18:17:01 <Beardie> word 18:17:07 <Beardie> but i write it like the date 18:17:17 <Beardie> like you would wright concorde 18:17:49 <FooBar_> I get the feeling that you're mistaking "introduction date" and "model life"... 18:17:57 <Beardie> o yes lol 18:18:00 <Ammler> 1A (d) D Long format introduction date 18:18:20 <Ammler> he, me too :P 18:18:53 <FooBar_> IIRC, model life is a B 18:19:04 <FooBar_> the short format intro date might indeed be a W 18:19:08 <FooBar_> the long indeed is a D 18:19:51 <Ammler> 03 B vehicle life in years 18:19:52 <Ammler> 04 B model life in years 18:22:14 <Ammler> "Setting this property to 0xFF means the model will never expire. (This is only important for very early introduction dates before 1800.)" 18:22:37 <Beardie> "Setting this property to 0xFF means the model will never expire." 18:22:38 <Beardie> lol 18:23:06 <Ammler> :-) 18:23:40 <FooBar_> ah, FF. Well, there you go :) 18:24:08 <FooBar_> I don't understand the "(This is only important for very early introduction dates before 1800.)" bit though 18:24:31 <FooBar_> I figured it was only important for the very last vehicle(s) of a type 18:24:51 <FooBar_> If you want a pre-1800 vehicle, start pre-1800 ;) 18:25:23 <Ammler> maybe every vehicle above 2055 won't expire anyway 18:26:20 <FooBar_> not any more. Vehicle updating stops x years after the last vehicle being introduced IIRC. A recent-ish change in ottd that is 18:26:56 <Ammler> yep 18:28:29 <FooBar_> can't find the commit though... 18:29:50 <Beardie> check out these cool graphics 18:29:51 <Beardie> http://worldairlinerset.forumotion.net/a380-family-f40/wip-a380-800-t72.htm 18:29:52 <Webster> Title: [WIP] A380-800 (at worldairlinerset.forumotion.net) 18:30:02 <Beardie> just done the singapore one :) 18:31:11 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: World Airliners Set - Revision 111: Updated CT with A380-800 Info @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/worldairlineset/repository/revisions/111 (by Beardie27) 18:35:34 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: World Airliners Set - Revision 112: Added A380-800 Singapore Airliners.png @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/worldairlineset/repository/revisions/112 (by Beardie27) 18:39:17 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: World Airliners Set - Revision 113: Added A380-800 Singapore Airliners.pcx @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/worldairlineset/repository/revisions/113 (by Beardie27) 18:48:26 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: OpenGFX - Bug #210: split ogfx_extra.pnfo in seperate files like openttdw does: @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/210 (by Ammler) 18:56:23 <Ammler> FooBar_: will you do it or shall I? ^ 18:56:32 <Ammler> imo, that is the most important part :-) 18:57:10 <FooBar_> go ahead if you want to do it now; I'm still working on the guide article 18:57:31 <FooBar_> otherwise I'll do it when I'm done with my guide and not end up watching tv :) 19:03:50 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: World Airliners Set - Revision 114: Update Concorde nfo and 7F_english @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/worldairlineset/repository/revisions/114 (by Frank) 19:05:33 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: World Airliners Set - Revision 115: fix #204 - First A380 nfo revision @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/worldairlineset/repository/revisions/115 (by Frank) 19:05:33 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: World Airliners Set - Feature #204 (Closed): Create A380-800 Nfo @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/204#change-458 (by Frank) 19:08:08 <Ammler> :-) 19:08:21 <Ammler> well, if you do it assign it 19:08:32 <Ammler> if it isn't assigned, I will do it 19:11:01 <FooBar_> that's usually how it works, isn't it? When something is assigned, that person is in charge. If something is not assigned, you can do it yourself ;) 19:11:36 <FooBar_> Just assign right before starting to work on something, and we're good :) 19:13:33 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: Infrastructure Sharing - Revision 12341: [IS] Codechange: Enable/disable buttons in the sharing w... @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/is2/repository/revisions/12341 (by Hirundo) 19:13:33 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: World Airliners Set - Revision 116: 2nd A380 nfo Revision @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/worldairlineset/repository/revisions/116 (by Frank) 19:13:34 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: Infrastructure Sharing - Revision 12342: [IS] Codechange: update scroll information on data inval... @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/is2/repository/revisions/12342 (by Hirundo) 19:13:34 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: World Airliners Set - Revision 117: A380-800 Co-ordinates @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/worldairlineset/repository/revisions/117 (by Frank) 19:14:53 <Ammler> FooBar_: that is how I meant :-) 19:15:04 <Ammler> and why I added a sep ticket. 19:15:05 <Beardie> I think i am getting the hand of this hg merge :) 19:15:25 <FooBar_> Feel free to write a guide about it ;) 19:15:43 <Beardie> do i have to leave a commit message every time a merge? 19:16:42 <FooBar_> If you don't plan to commit something else before pushing: yes 19:17:20 <Ammler> merge is theoretically only needed, if you make much offline work 19:17:37 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: World Airliners Set - Revision 118: Updated TT With A380-800 Data, Singapore Airlines Done, Frank... @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/worldairlineset/repository/revisions/118 (by Beardie27) 19:17:37 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: World Airliners Set - Feature #211: JAS MD-81 @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/211 (by FaddyPainter) 19:17:37 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: World Airliners Set - Revision 119: Merged r117 and r118 @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/worldairlineset/repository/revisions/119 (by Beardie27) 19:17:48 <Ammler> added you to the group Editors of our Guide ;-) 19:17:59 <FooBar_> I already started wondering why you needed so much merges... 19:18:32 <FooBar_> Do you always pull right before you do a commit? 19:18:36 <Ammler> if you are online, you should push before you commit, then you might be able to go without merge. 19:18:52 <FooBar_> If you do that, you'll find that you'll hardly need to merge. 19:19:07 <FooBar_> Ammler: push before commit? :S 19:19:14 <FooBar_> I hope that's pull :P 19:19:22 <Ammler> pull :P 19:19:25 <Beardie> I was wtill tpying a commit whilst frank pushed 19:19:29 <Beardie> so i then pushed 19:19:35 <Ammler> well, anyway, merge doesn't hurt either. 19:19:35 <Beardie> and then it requires a pull 19:19:38 <Beardie> then a merge 19:19:56 <Beardie> am i in the group of editors or foobar? 19:20:04 <Ammler> YOU 19:20:08 <Beardie> o thanks 19:20:10 <Ammler> FooBar_: is manager 19:20:15 <Beardie> is there a page on merge? 19:20:16 <FooBar_> Ok, then you're just in bad luck that you commit at the same time as someone else... 19:20:24 <Beardie> yes foobar :) 19:20:25 <Ammler> I guess 19:20:47 <Ammler> http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/home/wiki/Using_TortoiseHg_(Windows)#Pull-Merge-Push 19:21:09 <Ammler> but if you think, it needs extend, make a page about and link from there 19:21:45 <FooBar_> Some page on how to use K3Diff would be nice... 19:21:50 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: World Airliners Set - Revision 120: 3rd A380 nfo Revision @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/worldairlineset/repository/revisions/120 (by Frank) 19:23:14 <Beardie> well i think i might make a page on merge ing using cmd 19:23:25 <Beardie> but not today or tomorrow more wednesday 19:26:27 <FooBar_> well, whenever (and if!) you feel like it... :) 19:26:36 <Ammler> Hirundo: how do you solve conflicts? 19:36:15 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: World Airliners Set - Revision 121: Changes to A380-800 nfo, move purh list plane over @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/worldairlineset/repository/revisions/121 (by Frank) 19:40:13 <Hirundo> I use kdiff3 19:40:54 <Ammler> is that K from KDE ? 19:41:54 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: World Airliners Set - Revision 122: Changes to 7F_english for A380-800 @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/worldairlineset/repository/revisions/122 (by Frank) 19:42:14 <Hirundo> http://kdiff3.sourceforge.net/ 19:42:15 <Webster> Title: KDiff3 - Homepage (at kdiff3.sourceforge.net) 19:44:15 <Ammler> tortoise did install that tool 19:44:44 <Ammler> yes, a KDE tool 19:45:53 * Hirundo googles KDE 19:46:14 <Ammler> PLEASE, don't tell me, you don't know KDE :-( 19:48:07 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: World Airliners Set - Revision 123: A380-800 nfo Running costs and mail set @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/worldairlineset/repository/revisions/123 (by Frank) 19:56:34 <FooBar_> Even I know KDE... :) 19:56:54 <Ammler> there is KDE for windows now 19:57:17 <FooBar_> what would be the benefit of that? 19:57:35 <Ammler> hmm, windows plattform with the KDE Apps? 19:57:43 <Ammler> that is what KDE makes, imo 19:57:43 <FooBar_> Oh ok... 19:57:57 <Ammler> that is the big advantage to GNOME 19:58:09 <Ammler> the very many awesome nice tools 19:58:30 <Ammler> KDevelop 19:58:38 <Ammler> Konqueror 19:58:42 <Ammler> K3b 19:58:50 <Ammler> Amarok 19:58:56 <FooBar_> I always considered KDE something to have a windows-like environment on linux... 19:59:18 <Ammler> yes, that too. 19:59:28 <Ammler> but I can also run windows apps here 19:59:31 <Ammler> with wine 19:59:48 <FooBar_> And since Windows already has a windows-like environment... 20:00:02 <Ammler> hmm, well, but very limited. 20:00:08 <FooBar_> Anyways, I've never used KDE to it's full extent... 20:00:35 <Ammler> me neither, I use is only 2 years now 20:01:03 <Ammler> since it is really able to replace Windows. 20:01:18 <FooBar_> Enough to at least know more about it than I do :P 20:01:25 <Ammler> without any "Hacker" knowledge 20:01:55 <Ammler> KDE has the nice things from Windows and OSX in one 20:02:40 * FooBar_ is surprised that Ammler thinks Windows has nice things 20:03:01 <Ammler> of course it has. 20:03:06 <FooBar_> :) 20:03:24 <Ammler> Microsoft Access is still a much used app from me 20:03:31 <Ammler> well, version 2k but 20:03:56 <Ammler> and GAMES :-) 20:04:29 <FooBar_> running games is a good feature indeed... 20:04:29 <Ammler> but that is very rare currently :-( 20:05:01 <FooBar_> what do you actually do for a living? 20:05:03 * Ammler is wondeing when I booted windows the last time :-) 20:05:21 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: World Airliners Set - Revision 124: A380-800 Nfo Running Costs and Cost Factor Set @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/worldairlineset/repository/revisions/124 (by Beardie27) 20:06:12 <Ammler> how you mean? 20:06:38 <FooBar_> well, what do you do besides #openttdcoop and related 20:06:44 <FooBar_> being a student? 20:06:58 <FooBar_> having a job? 20:07:22 <FooBar_> making getting money from the government into an art? 20:07:27 <Ammler> I work for gouverment as cashier, but that went down 20:07:54 <FooBar_> As you're almost always on here, it made me wonder... 20:08:17 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: World Airliners Set - Revision 125: Updated 7F_english with Correct A380 Name Lenght @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/worldairlineset/repository/revisions/125 (by Beardie27) 20:08:17 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: World Airliners Set - Feature #173 (Closed): Finish the Malev F70 @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/173#change-459 (by extspotter) 20:08:19 <Ammler> well, I have internet everywhere 20:08:31 <Ammler> and the bouncer is hiding the offline time 20:08:51 <FooBar_> well, me too, mostly. But that doesn't mean I'm able to actually write things on here 20:11:03 <Ammler> well, I hope that will change for me too, I am looking for something else 20:11:54 <FooBar_> hope you find something you like 20:12:19 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: World Airliners Set - Revision 126: Updated A380-800 Singapore Airlines.png Flashing Orange @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/worldairlineset/repository/revisions/126 (by Beardie27) 20:12:19 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: World Airliners Set - Revision 127: Updated A380-800 Singapore Airlines.pcx Flashing Orange @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/worldairlineset/repository/revisions/127 (by Beardie27) 20:15:41 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: World Airliners Set - Revision 128: Updated 00header with new title of GRF @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/worldairlineset/repository/revisions/128 (by Beardie27) 20:15:44 <FooBar_> Beardie: you don't need a new commit for each and every file you change ;) Above for instance could just as well be one single commit: "Fix: flashing orange in Singapore Airlines A380-800 sprites" 20:16:31 <Hirundo> He's just trying to increase his commit count, nothing wrong WITH!!!! that :) 20:16:32 <Ammler> indeed, same plane 20:17:06 <Ammler> Hirundo: he is catching you :P 20:17:37 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: Infrastructure Sharing - Revision 12387: Merge: trunk up to r16578 @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/is2/repository/revisions/12387 (by Hirundo) 20:17:52 <Ammler> he? 20:17:58 <Beardie> sorry foo bar but i was thinking about frank he was working on files at the same time 20:18:21 <Ammler> Beardie: no sorry, those are just hints. 20:18:48 <Beardie> ok 20:18:57 <FooBar_> I'm just saying, as it takes time to do those commits. You could save that time ;) 20:19:12 <Beardie> i did think that tbh ;) 20:19:23 <Beardie> but i just didn't fo it 20:19:30 <Beardie> thanks for the hint :) 20:19:33 <Hirundo> that's why you have 'hg merge', for when two people are modifying the same thing 20:19:45 <Beardie> yes i know :) 20:19:45 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: World Airliners Set - WAS_Alpha_Release.grf @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/attachments/download/174/WAS_Alpha_Release.grf (by Beardie27) 20:20:00 <Beardie> there is a Alpha Alpha aviable lol 20:20:02 <FooBar_> Merge on binary files is a bit tricky though... 20:20:48 <Beardie> There is one major bug with our set that even pikka can't over come the plane coding expert 20:21:03 <FooBar_> what's that? 20:21:11 <Beardie> that if you set liveries to be changed as cargo ID, when the plane get serviced and replaceed the livery reset to the basic one 20:21:52 <Beardie> See to change livery on a plane on our GRF, its in the cargo menu 20:22:09 <Beardie> when the plane gets serviced its resets to the top cargo refit 20:22:24 <FooBar_> Try in Patch. If it does the same, it might be an error in the grf. If it works correctly in Patch, it might be an error in OpenTTD... 20:22:25 <Beardie> serviced + replaced that is 20:22:41 <Beardie> well pikka allready asked this in a topic on the forum 20:22:48 <Beardie> apprently its a OpenTTD thing 20:22:50 <FooBar_> ok 20:23:03 <FooBar_> If it is, than wait for it to be fixed ;) 20:23:09 <Beardie> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=31&t=37362 20:23:11 <Webster> Title: Transport Tycoon Forums View topic - Autorenew and variable F2 (at www.tt-forums.net) 20:24:34 <FooBar_> I understand why it goes wrong though. Not that that helps you any bit further :P 20:24:43 <Beardie> lol 20:25:42 <Beardie> just thought i would inform you in case you thought of anything ingenuis that may fix it :p 20:26:26 <FooBar_> If I do, I'll let you know ;) 20:26:36 <Beardie> thanks :) 20:26:43 <FooBar_> I'm not into coding vehicles at the moment though... 20:27:01 <Beardie> o what do you code? 20:27:07 <FooBar_> Quite a while ago last time I did vehicles 20:27:33 <FooBar_> Mainly OpenGFX at the moment, which is mainly dumb realsprite alignment 20:27:54 <FooBar_> Next week I'll probably start on FIRS: coding some industries 20:27:54 <Ammler> hehe 20:28:04 <Ammler> didn't you start with FIRS? 20:28:21 <FooBar_> I've started the cargo code. No industry code yet. 20:28:35 <Beardie> cool :) 20:30:47 *** andythenorth has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 20:31:58 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: World Airliners Set - Revision 129: Changes to fix A321 Alitalia name, 7F_english added Alitalia @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/worldairlineset/repository/revisions/129 (by Frank) 20:32:16 <Beardie> What Feedback for in the Status of Issue 20:32:21 *** andythenorth has quit IRC 20:33:07 <Beardie> sorry that was meant to be a question, let me rephrase 20:33:15 <FooBar_> yes, please :P 20:33:36 <Beardie> Whats the Feedback option for, relating to the status of a Issue? 20:34:29 <FooBar_> You can set it to that, if someone opened and issue with something question-ish in it and you're replying to that question 20:34:52 <Beardie> ok 20:34:55 <FooBar_> that comma is a bit out of place, ignore that ;) 20:39:49 <Beardie> ok lol 20:40:10 <Ammler> https://redmine.ammler.ch/ <-- does this load without error? 20:44:16 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: World Airliners Set - Bug #212: Autorenew Reset Subtype to 0 @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/212 (by Beardie27) 20:44:23 *** andythenorth has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 20:44:56 <Beardie> emmm 20:45:01 <Beardie> yes 20:45:02 <FooBar_> Ammler: no; invalid certificate 20:45:21 <FooBar_> (sec_error_unknown_issuer) 20:45:32 <Beardie> I have to say google chrome is not liking the https, comapred to hhtp 20:45:39 <Beardie> http* 20:47:11 <FooBar_> IE tells me that the certificate can't be verified towards a trusted CA 20:48:12 <Beardie> well i ahev a similar thing becuase of the "https" 20:48:19 <Beardie> google doesn't trust it 20:49:09 <Hirundo> I don't trust google, so it's 1-1 now ;) 20:50:17 <Beardie> lol 20:50:21 <FooBar_> Hirundo: then you better not use devzone any more, as that uses Google Analytics ;) 20:50:30 <Ammler> well, FF doesn't either, if not installed 20:51:09 <Hirundo> with the NWO having total control, resistance is futile anyways 20:51:20 <FooBar_> Fx also gives an error (the sec_error_unknown_issuer) but it seems a little less chatty 20:52:01 <Ammler> IMO, it is a wrong behaviour of the browsers. 20:52:16 <FooBar_> why is that? 20:52:23 <Ammler> Only rich companies are able to make ssl pages. 20:52:29 <FooBar_> If the CA is unknow, what should it do? 20:53:01 <Ammler> well, people think, if they see that message, it is something wrong and don't use it. 20:53:50 <Ammler> it is up to the brower devs, which root certs they add, but they i.e. they should add cacert. 20:53:52 <FooBar_> true, but if unknown CAs are allowed, malicious ones would be allowed as well 20:54:19 <Beardie> Well ammler the site addess you gave me has "https" at the front if you remove that and put "http" its loads fine, which you more likly allready knew 20:54:47 <Ammler> Beardie: indeed, that is the point 20:54:52 <Ammler> it should be ssl 20:55:03 <Ammler> but you can't make it for free. 20:55:09 <FooBar_> On the other hand, most malicious websites already use thawte and that somehow is a trusted CA... 20:56:41 <Ammler> google code does support mercurial 20:57:25 <Ammler> well, the only thing, thawte or verysign is interested is money, if you pay for the name, they believe, it is serious. 20:57:47 <FooBar_> unfortunately :( 20:58:18 *** Frankr has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 20:58:32 <Ammler> well, anyway, they don't need ot check, if it is serious. 20:58:39 <Ammler> just if it belongs to you. 20:58:59 <Ammler> which cacert makes quite well 21:00:48 <Ammler> :-o 21:01:02 <Ammler> got an email from amazon, they have some money for me :-) 21:02:27 <FooBar_> why didn't I receive that? :P 21:05:15 <Ammler> well, 14€ 21:05:26 <Ammler> but I have no clue why. 21:06:24 *** andythenorth has quit IRC 21:07:33 <FooBar_> well, spend it. Before they want it back ;) 21:08:23 <Ammler> that is exactly, what I thought :-) 21:09:00 *** andythenorth has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 21:15:30 <FooBar_> anyways, I'm off to bed. I have an exam tomorrow :P 21:16:39 *** FooBar_ has quit IRC 21:22:30 <Beardie> i aheva exam tomorrow aswell :P 21:41:07 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: World Airliners Set - Revision 130: Added Fractional Speed Callback to Concorde Nfo @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/worldairlineset/repository/revisions/130 (by Beardie27) 21:48:41 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: World Airliners Set - Feature #188: Add Landing and take off Speeds to existing aircraft @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/188#change-461 (by Beardie27) 21:57:28 *** andythenorth has quit IRC 22:04:05 <Brot6> is2: Backup push to ssh://hg@bitbucket.org/OpenTTD/infrastructure-sharing/ initiated. 22:08:14 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: World Airliners Set - Revision 131: Updated CT + A380-800 Nfo With New Pax 853 @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/worldairlineset/repository/revisions/131 (by Beardie27) 22:36:56 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: World Airliners Set - Bug #213: Concorde Sprite Missalignment @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/213 (by Beardie27) 22:40:39 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: World Airliners Set - Revision 132: Fixed #199 - Correctly Sorted B717-200 Greyscale.png Hence Added @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/worldairlineset/repository/revisions/132 (by Beardie27) 22:40:39 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: World Airliners Set - Feature #199 (Closed): Sort Boeing 717 Greyscale @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/199#change-462 (by Beardie27) 22:51:40 <Beardie> Is There any way to put a table in a Wiki page? 23:20:50 *** Frankr has quit IRC 23:25:19 *** Beardie has quit IRC