Log for #openttdcoop.devzone on 15th June 2009:
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09:57:05  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: World Airliners Set - Revision 93: Added MD81 Greyscale.png @ (by Beardie27)
10:18:47  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: World Airliners Set - Revision 94: Add MD82 Greyscle.png @ (by Beardie27)
10:18:47  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: World Airliners Set - Revision 95: Removed Thumb @ (by Beardie27)
10:24:28  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: World Airliners Set - Feature #204: Create A380-800 Nfo @ (by Beardie27)
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10:28:25  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: World Airliners Set - Feature #205: Create A380-800 Pcxs @ (by Beardie27)
10:30:34  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: World Airliners Set - Feature #206: Turkish Airlines 146-100 @ (by Beardie27)
10:32:15  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: World Airliners Set - Feature #207: Update Tracking Table For r14 release @ (by Beardie27)
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10:47:31  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: World Airliners Set - Revision 96: Added MD83 Greyscale.png @ (by Beardie27)
11:02:58  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: World Airliners Set - Feature #197: Sort MD80s+MD90 Greyscales @ (by Beardie27)
12:11:01  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: World Airliners Set - Revision 97: Added MD87 Greyscale.png @ (by Beardie27)
12:11:01  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: World Airliners Set - Feature #197: Sort MD80s+MD90 Greyscales @ (by Beardie27)
12:28:48  <Beardie> Ammler : Whats with the Thumbs?
12:29:10  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: World Airliners Set - Revision 98: Added MD88 Greyscale.png @ (by Beardie27)
12:29:10  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: World Airliners Set - Revision 99: Removed Thumb @ (by Beardie27)
12:30:02  <Ammler> Beardie: don't add them
12:30:27  <Ammler> please add those to the ignore list
12:30:37  <Beardie> where is the ignore list
12:33:26  <Beardie> Ammler
12:34:25  <Ammler> hg help hgignore
12:34:32  <Ammler> and hg help hgrc
12:35:28  <Ammler> how do you add files?
12:35:41  <Beardie> hg add <file dirctory>
12:35:58  <Ammler> yeah, if you don't want to use hgignore
12:36:09  <Ammler> then specific the files you add
12:36:19  <Ammler> and not just include the whole dir
12:36:26  <Beardie> ok
12:36:35  <Beardie> so go right down to the file and add it
12:36:42  <Beardie> rather than adding the folder
12:36:48  <Ammler> or remove them again before commit :P
12:37:12  <Beardie> ok but hg ignore does not work
12:37:14  <Ammler> well, easiest is hgignore
12:37:19  <Beardie> no spaces?
12:37:48  <Beardie> "hg ignore" or "hgignore"?
12:38:09  <Ammler> ?
12:38:30  <Beardie> to type in command
12:38:33  <Ammler> the file is called .hgignore
12:38:41  <Beardie> there is a file?
12:38:54  <Ammler> vim .hgignore
12:38:55  <Beardie> look Ammler i have no idea how this works
12:39:01  <Ammler> man hgignore
12:39:04  <Ammler> man hgrc
12:39:22  <Ammler> I have not much ideas about such tools in windows :-)
12:39:28  <Beardie> sorry but this makes no sense
12:39:49  <Ammler> but I am sure there is a manual in windows, either
12:39:55  <Ammler> else use google
12:39:59  <Beardie> oklol
12:42:59  <Ammler>
12:43:00  <Webster> Title: Let me google that for you (at
12:43:30  <Ammler> I am kinda sure, tortoise has a GUI for
12:45:48  <Beardie>
12:45:49  <Webster> Title: .hgignore - Mercurial (at
12:47:02  <Beardie> ok
12:51:07  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: World Airliners Set - Feature #197: Sort MD80s+MD90 Greyscales @ (by Beardie27)
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13:19:29  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: World Airliners Set - Revision 100: Added MD90 Greyscale.png @ (by Beardie27)
13:25:55  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: World Airliners Set - Revision 101: Fix #197 - Updated TT With Completion of MD80s+MD90 @ (by Beardie27)
13:25:55  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: World Airliners Set - Feature #197 (Closed): Sort MD80s+MD90 Greyscales @ (by Beardie27)
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15:05:54  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: World Airliners Set - Revision 102: Fix #203 - Conrcorde Re-alligned With Runway On Take and Landing @ (by Beardie27)
15:05:54  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: World Airliners Set - Bug #203 (Closed): Re-allign Concorde on Runway @ (by Beardie27)
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15:42:59  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: World Airliners Set - Revision 103: Added DC10-10 Greyscale.png @ (by Beardie27)
15:42:59  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: World Airliners Set - Revision 104: Moved MD90 Into Correct Folder Destination (Cleanup) @ (by Beardie27)
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16:05:12  <Ammler> FooBar_: it should theoretically be possible to make the opengfx extra grf equally to the openttdw.grf, right?
16:05:54  <Ammler> (same real sprites numbers)
16:07:43  <Ammler> or other question, why isn't it identical?
16:10:45  <FooBar_> There's more stuff in ogfx_extra than in openttdw
16:11:04  <FooBar_> For instance the climate-specific river/canal graphics
16:11:14  <Ammler> but that could be appended on the end.
16:11:45  <FooBar_> or the support for (almost?) every latin language supported by OpenTTD
16:12:01  <Ammler> I played a bit with 32bpp and wondering, if it is possible to keep opengfx compatible to.
16:12:39  <FooBar_> With a bit of effort that should be possible
16:14:25  <FooBar_> climate specific trains are in Extra as well...
16:14:55  <FooBar_> To me it looks that all the additional features are at the end already, but there might be some slight differences elsewhere
16:15:07  <FooBar_> mainly the signals bit
16:15:40  <FooBar_> unfortunately that's in the front so messing up all else ;)
16:15:50  <Ammler> hmm, I need to test it with something 32bpp, but don't know what.
16:15:59  <Ammler> ah ok :-)
16:18:02  <FooBar_> The biggest problem is the difference in the way the additional shore tile graphics are coded. I coded them to spec, where last time I checked (i.e. r14977) OpenTTD didn't...
16:18:02  <Brot6> OpenGFX: nightly compile not needed. (r72)
16:19:51  <Ammler> then it might need a patch for openttd? ;-)
16:20:45  <FooBar_> Or an update of the spec to make the "openttd way" legal as well.
16:21:18  <FooBar_> Changing OpenTTD would be a bit problematic as that would involve including even more original TTD sprites in openttd?.grf
16:21:54  <Ammler> that is no problem
16:22:04  <Ammler> openttd has a lot original grfs
16:22:17  <Ammler> !s/grfs/graphics/
16:23:31  <Ammler> as openttdw.grf depense on the originals anyway, there shouldn't be a legal issue.
16:24:27  <Ammler> maybe we should code our extra with like openttd does?
16:24:53  <FooBar_> It seems that OpenTTD secretly uses a new version of the spec, which never got published. As there's two extra sprites in openttdw which are not in the spec
16:25:43  <FooBar_> I'm leaning towards using the openttd-way of coding it (and adding that to the spec!), but we might be short some sprites then...
16:26:02  <Ammler> we?
16:26:06  <Ammler> opengfx?
16:26:14  <FooBar_> "we" == "opengfx"
16:26:32  <Ammler> well, imo, it would be worth :-)
16:26:58  <FooBar_> seconded
16:27:20  <FooBar_> I'll have to check with Zeph if we have those sprites; otherwise they need to be created :)
16:27:38  <FooBar_> i'll do a ticket as well
16:27:41  <Ammler> do you agree to split "our" extra like ?
16:27:59  <Ammler> at least the nfo part
16:30:06  <FooBar_> sure. If it needs to be recoded, that change can be made in one go
16:30:20  <FooBar_> adding that to the ticket as well ;)
16:30:47  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: World Airliners Set - Bug #166: Sort DC10 greyscale @ (by Beardie27)
16:34:15  <FooBar_> I targeted it 0.1.0-beta1, but if it's done earlier, it's done earlier (which most likely will happen anyways)
16:36:29  <FooBar_> I think we can just borrow ottd's makefile system for it
16:36:51  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: OpenGFX - Feature #208: Reorder ogfx_extra to keep sprite numbers equal to openttdw.grf to suppor... @ (by foobar)
16:39:52  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: World Airliners Set - Revision 105: Fix #205 - Created A380-800 Pcx, Greyscale + Emirates @ (by Beardie27)
16:39:52  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: World Airliners Set - Feature #205 (Closed): Create A380-800 Pcxs @ (by Beardie27)
16:47:56  <Ammler> "- make unofficial ottd shoreline spec official." <-- I like that most ;-)
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16:58:42  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: World Airliners Set - Revision 106: Added DC10-20 Greyscale.png @ (by Beardie27)
16:58:42  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: World Airliners Set - Revision 107: Added DC10-30 Greyscale.png @ (by Beardie27)
17:00:24  <Hirundo> andythenorth: does the latest version of HEQS specify weights and powers?
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17:06:21  <Beardie> Hello DJ, do you know anything about hgignore
17:06:35  <Beardie> DJNekkid
17:09:56  <Ammler> Beardie: what is the issue?
17:10:10  <Hirundo> Rule #1 when asking a question: ask it
17:10:14  <andythenorth> Hirundo: I'm at work (the paid kind).  I don't remember if HEQS code has HP and weight set.  I can't check tonight, but I can tomorrow morning.
17:10:15  <andythenorth>
17:10:50  <andythenorth> I don't think it's set.  There seems to be no action 0 for it, I don't remember if they are action 0 properties, or set by a callback
17:11:08  <andythenorth> Sorry!  Will get a better reply when I have spare time :|
17:12:06  <Beardie> Well Ammler as you said before you knew nothing about hgignore
17:12:44  <Beardie> i was wondering if DJNekkid knew
17:12:44  <Ammler> really :-o
17:12:55  <Beardie> well you told me to consult google
17:12:58  <Ammler> I said, I don't need it :P
17:13:03  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: World Airliners Set - Revision 108: Added DC10-40 Greyscale.png @ (by Beardie27)
17:13:38  <Beardie> I have not a sinlge clue how to use hgignore
17:13:49  <Ammler> that was to show you easy you get the infos self.
17:14:03  <Beardie> well i couldn't find anything
17:15:21  <Ammler> english is your native language?
17:15:30  <Beardie> yes
17:15:37  <Ammler>
17:15:38  <Webster> Title: HGIGNORE(5) (at
17:15:44  <Beardie> yes i have been there
17:15:53  <Beardie> it states what it is, but not how to use it
17:16:15  <Beardie> well it does
17:16:25  <Ammler> in your case, it might be easiert to make a repo ingore file
17:16:47  <Ammler> just add a file to your repo root: .hgignore
17:17:19  <Ammler> and then a line Thumbs.db
17:17:29  <Ammler> and *.exe and such
17:18:22  <Beardie> would it just be a normal txt file?
17:18:54  <Ammler> yes, well without .txt
17:19:15  <Ammler> check EXAMPLE there
17:21:49  <Ammler> you can check, if it works, with i.e. hg st
17:22:23  <Beardie> just one question what is the file name?
17:22:34  <Beardie> ibviously i can't just call it .hgignore
17:24:27  <FooBar_> that has to be the filename though
17:24:48  <FooBar_> Windows doesn't like that, so if you're creating it manually, you'll have to rename it using a command prompt
17:24:51  <FooBar_> i.e.
17:24:53  <Ammler> hhe, why can't you?
17:25:02  <FooBar_> rename hgignore.txt .hgignore
17:25:04  <Beardie> windows doesn;t like it
17:25:09  <Beardie> ok
17:25:27  <Ammler> or change explorere setting to show extensions.
17:25:59  <FooBar_> Ammler: no, windows doesn't allow you create files with only an extension (at least it thinks it is one)
17:26:00  <Beardie> it is noe a HGINGNORE file
17:26:15  <FooBar_> then you made a bad :)
17:26:36  <Beardie> a bad?
17:26:37  <FooBar_> as there's an N too many ;)
17:27:01  <Beardie> o lol
17:27:22  <Beardie> thats my spelling mistake on the chat the file is still correct
17:27:36  <Ammler> well, if it doesn't work, we create a template for you.
17:27:39  <FooBar_> well, if it's correct on the file, then it should be alright
17:28:21  <Beardie> right i think it worked
17:28:29  <Beardie> before i made the file i did hg st
17:28:42  <Beardie> i could see all the thumbs.db files
17:28:45  <Beardie> after it
17:28:50  <Beardie> i did another hg st
17:28:55  <Beardie> and they were all gone
17:29:33  <FooBar_> then it works :)
17:29:48  <Beardie> may i put the .hgignore file into the repo online? so frank and DJ cna download it, or do i have to send it them manually?
17:30:00  <Beardie> hence can i commit it?
17:34:17  <Ammler> yes, add it
17:34:55  <Ammler> usually, I suggest to use a local ignore for OS specific files, but in this case, it might be better to add it to the repo.
17:35:06  <Beardie> ok ty
17:35:14  <Ammler> else Frank will have the same hassle :-)
17:36:05  <Beardie> yes i was thinking that
17:36:07  <Beardie> thanks
17:36:18  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: World Airliners Set - Revision 109: Fix #166 - Updated TT With Completion of DC10s Greyscales.png @ (by Beardie27)
17:36:18  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: World Airliners Set - Bug #166 (Closed): Sort DC10 greyscale @ (by Beardie27)
17:36:18  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: World Airliners Set - Revision 110: Add .hgignore File, For Ignoring all Thumbs.db files @ (by Beardie27)
17:37:08  <Beardie> There you go, also you mentioned that i could request different words for a Issue closure during a Commit
17:37:18  <Beardie> or was i wrong?
17:41:09  <Ammler> yes, what do you like?
17:41:16  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: World Airliners Set - Feature #207 (Assigned): Update Tracking Table For r14 release @ (by Beardie27)
17:41:16  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: World Airliners Set - Feature #206 (Assigned): Turkish Airlines 146-100 @ (by Beardie27)
17:41:16  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: World Airliners Set - Feature #199 (Assigned): Sort Boeing 717 Greyscale @ (by Beardie27)
17:41:16  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: World Airliners Set - Feature #195 (Assigned): Add Iberia Colour Scheme to Sheet @ (by Beardie27)
17:41:18  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: World Airliners Set - Feature #192 (Assigned): Add Spanir Air Colour Scheme to Colour Scheme Sheet. @ (by Beardie27)
17:41:22  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: World Airliners Set - Feature #183 (Assigned): Finish Colour Schemes Sheet @ (by Beardie27)
17:41:25  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: World Airliners Set - Feature #180 (Assigned): A380 Singapore @ (by Beardie27)
17:41:28  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: World Airliners Set - Feature #178 (Assigned): A380 Qantas @ (by Beardie27)
17:43:37  <Beardie> i was wondering if i could have the words "Fixed" and "Updated"
17:44:07  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: World Airliners Set - Feature #177 (Assigned): Add sound for existing aircraft @ (by Beardie27)
17:44:07  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: World Airliners Set - Feature #173 (Assigned): Finish the Malev F70 @ (by Beardie27)
17:44:07  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: World Airliners Set - Feature #169 (Assigned): Dash 8 Greyscale @ (by Beardie27)
17:44:07  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: World Airliners Set - Feature #168 (Assigned): BAC1-11 Greyscales @ (by Beardie27)
17:44:11  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: World Airliners Set - Feature #167 (Assigned): Sort 747-200/-400D/-400F(SCD)/-400F(BCF) Greyscales @ (by Beardie27)
17:44:15  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: World Airliners Set - Feature #200 (Assigned): Create World Airlines Set Alpha Release GRF @ (by Beardie27)
17:44:19  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: World Airliners Set - Feature #184 (Assigned): Pokemon 747-400 @ (by Beardie27)
17:44:22  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: World Airliners Set - Feature #204 (Assigned): Create A380-800 Nfo @ (by Beardie27)
17:44:56  <Beardie> Sorry i will repeat that incase you lost it in the feed
17:44:58  <Beardie> "i was wondering if i could have the words "Fixed" and "Updated" "
17:45:34  <Ammler> no need, already done :P
17:45:48  <Ammler> nothing goes lost here
17:45:56  <Beardie> ok lol
17:46:41  <Ammler> you can always make suggestions here:
17:46:47  <Ammler> just create a ticket
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17:48:32  <FooBar_> can we have a list of those "magic keywords" available together with what they do (e.g. close and/or create reference)?
17:52:22  <Beardie> yes that would be nice too :)
17:53:23  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: World Airliners Set - Feature #180 (Closed): A380 Singapore @ (by FaddyPainter)
17:53:23  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: World Airliners Set - Feature #207 (Closed): Update Tracking Table For r14 release @ (by FaddyPainter)
17:53:49  <Ammler> FooBar_: well, it isn't meant, that you write your comments that way
17:54:05  <Ammler> it would be better, we add the word you like to the liest
17:54:08  <Ammler> -e
17:55:14  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: World Airliners Set - Feature #209: Update Tracking Table - r14 release @ (by FaddyPainter)
17:55:27  <FooBar_> I'm in favour of standarized comments. That only works with a list...
17:55:34  <Ammler> maybe, we could create a wiki page, how a commit message should look, I could then add the list there
17:56:10  <FooBar_> that would be nice
17:56:17  <FooBar_> want me to have a go on a page?
17:58:30  <Ammler> yes
17:58:32  <Ammler> :-)
17:58:55  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: World Airliners Set - Feature #209 (Assigned): Update Tracking Table - r14 release @ (by FaddyPainter)
17:58:56  <Ammler> the list isn't fixed,
17:59:33  <Ammler> references: Referencing keywords
17:59:43  <Ammler> refs,references,Issue,feature,add, updated
17:59:55  <Ammler> Fixing keywords
18:00:05  <Ammler> fixes,closes,fix,close, bug, fixed
18:00:28  <Ammler> Applied status: closed 100% Done:
18:00:58  <FooBar_> thanks
18:02:16  <Beardie> "Updated" as well
18:04:52  <Ammler> <-- extspotter is very rough
18:04:53  <Webster> Title: Transport Tycoon Forums View topic - [WIP] The World Airliners Set - New Poll (at
18:05:04  <Ammler> could be said in a lot nicer way
18:06:52  <Ammler> Beardie: is there, but imo, it should not be used for closing, ok?
18:10:35  <Beardie> emm ok
18:10:55  <Beardie> extspotter is just putting a point across
18:13:06  <Ammler> well, just my opinion, it is up2you, it is your project ;-)
18:14:15  <Beardie> true
18:15:08  <Ammler> there are enough other guys in the forums, who tell how bad others are.
18:15:09  <Beardie> do you know what year i set a vehicle to be avaliable for it to be avaliable forever?
18:15:22  <FooBar_> FF?
18:15:41  <Ammler> 0?
18:15:45  <FooBar_> don't know for sure, as I never go past 256 years :P
18:16:01  <Beardie> well i use a word function
18:16:14  <Beardie> \w2000-01-10
18:16:16  <FooBar_> since when is that a word?
18:16:18  <Beardie> example
18:16:27  <FooBar_> oh well, try 00 00 first
18:16:34  <FooBar_> and if that doesn't work, set FF FF
18:16:57  <Ammler> it is a byte or the dword
18:17:01  <Beardie> word
18:17:07  <Beardie> but i write it like the date
18:17:17  <Beardie> like you would wright concorde
18:17:49  <FooBar_> I get the feeling that you're mistaking "introduction date" and "model life"...
18:17:57  <Beardie> o yes lol
18:18:00  <Ammler> 1A	(d)	D	Long format introduction date
18:18:20  <Ammler> he, me too :P
18:18:53  <FooBar_> IIRC, model life is a B
18:19:04  <FooBar_> the short format intro date might indeed be a W
18:19:08  <FooBar_> the long indeed is a D
18:19:51  <Ammler> 03	 	B	vehicle life in years
18:19:52  <Ammler> 04		B	model life in years
18:22:14  <Ammler> "Setting this property to 0xFF means the model will never expire. (This is only important for very early introduction dates before 1800.)"
18:22:37  <Beardie> "Setting this property to 0xFF means the model will never expire."
18:22:38  <Beardie> lol
18:23:06  <Ammler> :-)
18:23:40  <FooBar_> ah, FF. Well, there you go :)
18:24:08  <FooBar_> I don't understand the "(This is only important for very early introduction dates before 1800.)" bit though
18:24:31  <FooBar_> I figured it was only important for the very last vehicle(s) of a type
18:24:51  <FooBar_> If you want a pre-1800 vehicle, start pre-1800 ;)
18:25:23  <Ammler> maybe every vehicle above 2055 won't expire anyway
18:26:20  <FooBar_> not any more. Vehicle updating stops x years after the last vehicle being introduced IIRC. A recent-ish change in ottd that is
18:26:56  <Ammler> yep
18:28:29  <FooBar_> can't find the commit though...
18:29:50  <Beardie> check out these cool graphics
18:29:51  <Beardie>
18:29:52  <Webster> Title: [WIP] A380-800 (at
18:30:02  <Beardie> just done the singapore one :)
18:31:11  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: World Airliners Set - Revision 111: Updated CT with A380-800 Info @ (by Beardie27)
18:35:34  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: World Airliners Set - Revision 112: Added A380-800 Singapore Airliners.png @ (by Beardie27)
18:39:17  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: World Airliners Set - Revision 113: Added A380-800 Singapore Airliners.pcx @ (by Beardie27)
18:48:26  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: OpenGFX - Bug #210: split ogfx_extra.pnfo in seperate files like openttdw does: @ (by Ammler)
18:56:23  <Ammler> FooBar_: will you do it or shall I? ^
18:56:32  <Ammler> imo, that is the most important part :-)
18:57:10  <FooBar_> go ahead if you want to do it now; I'm still working on the guide article
18:57:31  <FooBar_> otherwise I'll do it when I'm done with my guide and not end up watching tv :)
19:03:50  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: World Airliners Set - Revision 114: Update Concorde nfo and 7F_english @ (by Frank)
19:05:33  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: World Airliners Set - Revision 115: fix #204 - First A380 nfo revision @ (by Frank)
19:05:33  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: World Airliners Set - Feature #204 (Closed): Create A380-800 Nfo @ (by Frank)
19:08:08  <Ammler> :-)
19:08:21  <Ammler> well, if you do it assign it
19:08:32  <Ammler> if it isn't assigned, I will do it
19:11:01  <FooBar_> that's usually how it works, isn't it? When something is assigned, that person is in charge. If something is not assigned, you can do it yourself ;)
19:11:36  <FooBar_> Just assign right before starting to work on something, and we're good :)
19:13:33  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: Infrastructure Sharing - Revision 12341: [IS] Codechange: Enable/disable buttons in the sharing w... @ (by Hirundo)
19:13:33  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: World Airliners Set - Revision 116: 2nd A380 nfo Revision @ (by Frank)
19:13:34  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: Infrastructure Sharing - Revision 12342: [IS] Codechange: update scroll information on data inval... @ (by Hirundo)
19:13:34  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: World Airliners Set - Revision 117: A380-800 Co-ordinates @ (by Frank)
19:14:53  <Ammler> FooBar_: that is how I meant :-)
19:15:04  <Ammler> and why I added a sep ticket.
19:15:05  <Beardie> I think i am getting the hand of this hg merge :)
19:15:25  <FooBar_> Feel free to write a guide about it ;)
19:15:43  <Beardie> do i have to leave a commit message every time a merge?
19:16:42  <FooBar_> If you don't plan to commit something else before pushing: yes
19:17:20  <Ammler> merge is theoretically only needed, if you make much offline work
19:17:37  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: World Airliners Set - Revision 118: Updated TT With A380-800 Data, Singapore Airlines Done, Frank... @ (by Beardie27)
19:17:37  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: World Airliners Set - Feature #211: JAS MD-81 @ (by FaddyPainter)
19:17:37  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: World Airliners Set - Revision 119: Merged r117 and r118 @ (by Beardie27)
19:17:48  <Ammler> added you to the group Editors of our Guide ;-)
19:17:59  <FooBar_> I already started wondering why you needed so much merges...
19:18:32  <FooBar_> Do you always pull right before you do a commit?
19:18:36  <Ammler> if you are online, you should push before you commit, then you might be able to go without merge.
19:18:52  <FooBar_> If you do that, you'll find that you'll hardly need to merge.
19:19:07  <FooBar_> Ammler: push before commit? :S
19:19:14  <FooBar_> I hope that's pull :P
19:19:22  <Ammler> pull :P
19:19:25  <Beardie> I was wtill tpying a commit whilst frank pushed
19:19:29  <Beardie> so i then pushed
19:19:35  <Ammler> well, anyway, merge doesn't hurt either.
19:19:35  <Beardie> and then it requires a pull
19:19:38  <Beardie> then a merge
19:19:56  <Beardie> am i in the group of editors or foobar?
19:20:04  <Ammler> YOU
19:20:08  <Beardie> o thanks
19:20:10  <Ammler> FooBar_: is manager
19:20:15  <Beardie> is there a page on merge?
19:20:16  <FooBar_> Ok, then you're just in bad luck that you commit at the same time as someone else...
19:20:24  <Beardie> yes foobar :)
19:20:25  <Ammler> I guess
19:20:47  <Ammler>
19:21:09  <Ammler> but if you think, it needs extend, make a page about and link from there
19:21:45  <FooBar_> Some page on how to use K3Diff would be nice...
19:21:50  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: World Airliners Set - Revision 120: 3rd A380 nfo Revision @ (by Frank)
19:23:14  <Beardie> well i think i might make a page on merge ing using cmd
19:23:25  <Beardie> but not today or tomorrow more wednesday
19:26:27  <FooBar_> well, whenever (and if!) you feel like it... :)
19:26:36  <Ammler> Hirundo: how do you solve conflicts?
19:36:15  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: World Airliners Set - Revision 121: Changes to A380-800 nfo, move purh list plane over @ (by Frank)
19:40:13  <Hirundo> I use kdiff3
19:40:54  <Ammler> is that K from KDE ?
19:41:54  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: World Airliners Set - Revision 122: Changes to 7F_english for A380-800 @ (by Frank)
19:42:14  <Hirundo>
19:42:15  <Webster> Title: KDiff3 - Homepage (at
19:44:15  <Ammler> tortoise did install that tool
19:44:44  <Ammler> yes, a KDE tool
19:45:53  * Hirundo googles KDE
19:46:14  <Ammler> PLEASE, don't tell me, you don't know KDE :-(
19:48:07  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: World Airliners Set - Revision 123: A380-800 nfo Running costs and mail set @ (by Frank)
19:56:34  <FooBar_> Even I know KDE... :)
19:56:54  <Ammler> there is KDE for windows now
19:57:17  <FooBar_> what would be the benefit of that?
19:57:35  <Ammler> hmm, windows plattform with the KDE Apps?
19:57:43  <Ammler> that is what KDE makes, imo
19:57:43  <FooBar_> Oh ok...
19:57:57  <Ammler> that is the big advantage to GNOME
19:58:09  <Ammler> the very many awesome nice tools
19:58:30  <Ammler> KDevelop
19:58:38  <Ammler> Konqueror
19:58:42  <Ammler> K3b
19:58:50  <Ammler> Amarok
19:58:56  <FooBar_> I always considered KDE something to have a windows-like environment on linux...
19:59:18  <Ammler> yes, that too.
19:59:28  <Ammler> but I can also run windows apps here
19:59:31  <Ammler> with wine
19:59:48  <FooBar_> And since Windows already has a windows-like environment...
20:00:02  <Ammler> hmm, well, but very limited.
20:00:08  <FooBar_> Anyways, I've never used KDE to it's full extent...
20:00:35  <Ammler> me neither, I use is only 2 years now
20:01:03  <Ammler> since it is really able to replace Windows.
20:01:18  <FooBar_> Enough to at least know more about it than I do :P
20:01:25  <Ammler> without any "Hacker" knowledge
20:01:55  <Ammler> KDE has the nice things from Windows and OSX in one
20:02:40  * FooBar_ is surprised that Ammler thinks Windows has nice things
20:03:01  <Ammler> of course it has.
20:03:06  <FooBar_> :)
20:03:24  <Ammler> Microsoft Access is still a much used app from me
20:03:31  <Ammler> well, version 2k but
20:03:56  <Ammler> and GAMES :-)
20:04:29  <FooBar_> running games is a good feature indeed...
20:04:29  <Ammler> but that is very rare currently :-(
20:05:01  <FooBar_> what do you actually do for a living?
20:05:03  * Ammler is wondeing when I booted windows the last time :-)
20:05:21  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: World Airliners Set - Revision 124: A380-800 Nfo Running Costs and Cost Factor Set @ (by Beardie27)
20:06:12  <Ammler> how you mean?
20:06:38  <FooBar_> well, what do you do besides #openttdcoop and related
20:06:44  <FooBar_> being a student?
20:06:58  <FooBar_> having a job?
20:07:22  <FooBar_> making getting money from the government into an art?
20:07:27  <Ammler> I work for gouverment as cashier, but that went down
20:07:54  <FooBar_> As you're almost always on here, it made me wonder...
20:08:17  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: World Airliners Set - Revision 125: Updated 7F_english with Correct A380 Name Lenght @ (by Beardie27)
20:08:17  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: World Airliners Set - Feature #173 (Closed): Finish the Malev F70 @ (by extspotter)
20:08:19  <Ammler> well, I have internet everywhere
20:08:31  <Ammler> and the bouncer is hiding the offline time
20:08:51  <FooBar_> well, me too, mostly. But that doesn't mean I'm able to actually write things on here
20:11:03  <Ammler> well, I hope that will change for me too, I am looking for something else
20:11:54  <FooBar_> hope you find something you like
20:12:19  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: World Airliners Set - Revision 126: Updated A380-800 Singapore Airlines.png Flashing Orange @ (by Beardie27)
20:12:19  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: World Airliners Set - Revision 127: Updated A380-800 Singapore Airlines.pcx Flashing Orange @ (by Beardie27)
20:15:41  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: World Airliners Set - Revision 128: Updated 00header with new title of GRF @ (by Beardie27)
20:15:44  <FooBar_> Beardie: you don't need a new commit for each and every file you change ;) Above for instance could just as well be one single commit: "Fix: flashing orange in Singapore Airlines A380-800 sprites"
20:16:31  <Hirundo> He's just trying to increase his commit count, nothing wrong WITH!!!! that :)
20:16:32  <Ammler> indeed, same plane
20:17:06  <Ammler> Hirundo: he is catching you :P
20:17:37  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: Infrastructure Sharing - Revision 12387: Merge: trunk up to r16578 @ (by Hirundo)
20:17:52  <Ammler> he?
20:17:58  <Beardie> sorry foo bar but i was thinking about frank he was working on files at the same time
20:18:21  <Ammler> Beardie: no sorry, those are just hints.
20:18:48  <Beardie> ok
20:18:57  <FooBar_> I'm just saying, as it takes time to do those commits. You could save that time ;)
20:19:12  <Beardie> i did think that tbh ;)
20:19:23  <Beardie> but i just didn't fo it
20:19:30  <Beardie> thanks for the hint :)
20:19:33  <Hirundo> that's why you have 'hg merge', for when two people are modifying the same thing
20:19:45  <Beardie> yes i know :)
20:19:45  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: World Airliners Set - WAS_Alpha_Release.grf @ (by Beardie27)
20:20:00  <Beardie> there is a Alpha Alpha aviable lol
20:20:02  <FooBar_> Merge on binary files is a bit tricky though...
20:20:48  <Beardie> There is one major bug with our set that even pikka can't over come the plane coding expert
20:21:03  <FooBar_> what's that?
20:21:11  <Beardie> that if you set liveries to be changed as cargo ID, when the plane get serviced and replaceed the livery reset to the basic one
20:21:52  <Beardie> See to change livery on a plane on our GRF, its in the cargo menu
20:22:09  <Beardie> when the plane gets serviced its resets to the top cargo refit
20:22:24  <FooBar_> Try in Patch. If it does the same, it might be an error in the grf. If it works correctly in Patch, it might be an error in OpenTTD...
20:22:25  <Beardie> serviced + replaced that is
20:22:41  <Beardie> well pikka allready asked this in a topic on the forum
20:22:48  <Beardie> apprently its a OpenTTD thing
20:22:50  <FooBar_> ok
20:23:03  <FooBar_> If it is, than wait for it to be fixed ;)
20:23:09  <Beardie>
20:23:11  <Webster> Title: Transport Tycoon Forums View topic - Autorenew and variable F2 (at
20:24:34  <FooBar_> I understand why it goes wrong though. Not that that helps you any bit further :P
20:24:43  <Beardie> lol
20:25:42  <Beardie> just thought i would inform you in case you thought of anything ingenuis that may fix it :p
20:26:26  <FooBar_> If I do, I'll let you know ;)
20:26:36  <Beardie> thanks :)
20:26:43  <FooBar_> I'm not into coding vehicles at the moment though...
20:27:01  <Beardie> o what do you code?
20:27:07  <FooBar_> Quite a while ago last time I did vehicles
20:27:33  <FooBar_> Mainly OpenGFX at the moment, which is mainly dumb realsprite alignment
20:27:54  <FooBar_> Next week I'll probably start on FIRS: coding some industries
20:27:54  <Ammler> hehe
20:28:04  <Ammler> didn't you start with FIRS?
20:28:21  <FooBar_> I've started the cargo code. No industry code yet.
20:28:35  <Beardie> cool :)
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20:31:58  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: World Airliners Set - Revision 129: Changes to fix A321 Alitalia name, 7F_english added Alitalia @ (by Frank)
20:32:16  <Beardie> What Feedback for in the Status of Issue
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20:33:07  <Beardie> sorry that was meant to be a question, let me rephrase
20:33:15  <FooBar_> yes, please :P
20:33:36  <Beardie> Whats the Feedback option for, relating to the status of a Issue?
20:34:29  <FooBar_> You can set it to that, if someone opened and issue with something question-ish in it and you're replying to that question
20:34:52  <Beardie> ok
20:34:55  <FooBar_> that comma is a bit out of place, ignore that ;)
20:39:49  <Beardie> ok lol
20:40:10  <Ammler> <-- does this load without error?
20:44:16  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: World Airliners Set - Bug #212: Autorenew Reset Subtype to 0 @ (by Beardie27)
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20:44:56  <Beardie> emmm
20:45:01  <Beardie> yes
20:45:02  <FooBar_> Ammler: no; invalid certificate
20:45:21  <FooBar_> (sec_error_unknown_issuer)
20:45:32  <Beardie> I have to say google chrome is not liking the https, comapred to hhtp
20:45:39  <Beardie> http*
20:47:11  <FooBar_> IE tells me that the certificate can't be verified towards a trusted CA
20:48:12  <Beardie> well i ahev a similar thing becuase of the "https"
20:48:19  <Beardie> google doesn't trust it
20:49:09  <Hirundo> I don't trust google, so it's 1-1 now ;)
20:50:17  <Beardie> lol
20:50:21  <FooBar_> Hirundo: then you better not use devzone any more, as that uses Google Analytics ;)
20:50:30  <Ammler> well, FF doesn't either, if not installed
20:51:09  <Hirundo> with the NWO having total control, resistance is futile anyways
20:51:20  <FooBar_> Fx also gives an error (the sec_error_unknown_issuer) but it seems a little less chatty
20:52:01  <Ammler> IMO, it is a wrong behaviour of the browsers.
20:52:16  <FooBar_> why is that?
20:52:23  <Ammler> Only rich companies are able to make ssl pages.
20:52:29  <FooBar_> If the CA is unknow, what should it do?
20:53:01  <Ammler> well, people think, if they see that message, it is something wrong and don't use it.
20:53:50  <Ammler> it is up to the brower devs, which root certs they add, but they i.e. they should add cacert.
20:53:52  <FooBar_> true, but if unknown CAs are allowed, malicious ones would be allowed as well
20:54:19  <Beardie> Well ammler the site addess you gave me has "https" at the front if you remove that and put "http" its loads fine, which you more likly allready knew
20:54:47  <Ammler> Beardie: indeed, that is the point
20:54:52  <Ammler> it should be ssl
20:55:03  <Ammler> but you can't make it for free.
20:55:09  <FooBar_> On the other hand, most malicious websites already use thawte and that somehow is a trusted CA...
20:56:41  <Ammler> google code does support mercurial
20:57:25  <Ammler> well, the only thing, thawte or verysign is interested is money, if you pay for the name, they believe, it is serious.
20:57:47  <FooBar_> unfortunately :(
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20:58:32  <Ammler> well, anyway, they don't need ot check, if it is serious.
20:58:39  <Ammler> just if it belongs to you.
20:58:59  <Ammler> which cacert makes quite well
21:00:48  <Ammler> :-o
21:01:02  <Ammler> got an email from amazon, they have some money for me :-)
21:02:27  <FooBar_> why didn't I receive that? :P
21:05:15  <Ammler> well, 14€
21:05:26  <Ammler> but I have no clue why.
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21:07:33  <FooBar_> well, spend it. Before they want it back ;)
21:08:23  <Ammler> that is exactly, what I thought :-)
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21:15:30  <FooBar_> anyways, I'm off to bed. I have an exam tomorrow :P
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21:22:30  <Beardie> i aheva  exam tomorrow aswell :P
21:41:07  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: World Airliners Set - Revision 130: Added Fractional Speed Callback to Concorde Nfo @ (by Beardie27)
21:48:41  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: World Airliners Set - Feature #188: Add Landing and take off Speeds to existing aircraft @ (by Beardie27)
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22:04:05  <Brot6> is2: Backup push to ssh:// initiated.
22:08:14  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: World Airliners Set - Revision 131: Updated CT + A380-800 Nfo With New Pax 853 @ (by Beardie27)
22:36:56  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: World Airliners Set - Bug #213: Concorde Sprite Missalignment @ (by Beardie27)
22:40:39  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: World Airliners Set - Revision 132: Fixed #199 - Correctly Sorted B717-200 Greyscale.png Hence Added @ (by Beardie27)
22:40:39  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: World Airliners Set - Feature #199 (Closed): Sort Boeing 717 Greyscale @ (by Beardie27)
22:51:40  <Beardie> Is There any way to put a table in a Wiki page?
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