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(Usage: 71M) 01:33:37 <Brot6> Kids, the seven basic food groups are GUM, PUFF PASTRY, PIZZA, PESTICIDES, ANTIBIOTICS, NUTRA-SWEET and MILK DUDS!! 05:21:22 *** Osai has quit IRC 05:21:22 *** Brot6 has quit IRC 05:22:20 *** Osai has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 06:09:56 *** andythenorth_ has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 07:20:07 *** andythenorth_ has quit IRC 07:37:52 *** andythenorth_ has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 08:08:36 *** andythenorth_ has quit IRC 08:10:11 *** yorick has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 08:55:24 *** andythenorth_ has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 09:03:22 <yorick> Ammler: same problem with SpriteAligner here too... 09:04:15 <Ammler> which same? 09:04:24 <Ammler> I have many p 09:07:20 <yorick> the y 0 09:09:21 <Ammler> /home/ottdc/tools/boost_1_39_0/boost/bimap/bimap.hpp:424: internal compiler error: in reference_to_unused, at dwarf2out.c:10010 09:09:36 <Ammler> planetmaker: ^ 09:09:52 <yorick> internal compiler errors :P 09:10:19 <Ammler> how to solve? 09:10:44 <yorick> report to compiler people? 09:11:20 <Ammler> so updating gcc should help? 09:11:26 <yorick> maybe 09:11:48 <Ammler> gcc version 4.2.1 (SUSE Linux) 09:12:38 <yorick> gcc version 4.4.0 (Mingw) 09:12:39 <yorick> :) 09:13:13 <Ammler> I check, if there is a newer version available for the server 09:13:46 <yorick> or it might be your RAM 09:14:50 <Ammler> he? 09:15:02 <yorick> http://www.bitwizard.nl/sig11/ 09:15:04 <Webster> Title: The SIG11 problem (at www.bitwizard.nl) 09:18:59 *** FooBar_ has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 09:22:55 <planetmaker> Ammler, congratulations ;) 09:23:07 <planetmaker> Get a new compiler, I'd say. 09:23:11 <planetmaker> But what triggeres that? 09:23:25 <Ammler> compile new renum 09:23:50 <planetmaker> hm... worked here flawlessly. 09:24:02 <Ammler> you have same gcc version? 09:24:03 * yorick svn ups renum 09:24:11 <planetmaker> gcc --version 09:24:11 <planetmaker> gcc (SUSE Linux) 4.3.1 20080507 (prerelease) [gcc-4_3-branch revision 135036] 09:24:56 <yorick> pseudo.cpp:80: fout: â?~EOFâ?T was not declared in this scope 09:25:00 <yorick> lovely failure 09:25:21 <planetmaker> :D 09:25:38 <planetmaker> worked on all of my compilers. 09:25:41 <yorick> yes 09:25:45 <yorick> gcc 4.4 fixed that bug 09:25:46 <planetmaker> hm... did it? Dunno 09:25:53 <yorick> you now have to include cstdio directly 09:25:55 <planetmaker> At least I got it compiled 09:26:44 <yorick> oh, al kinds of boosty errors now 09:27:31 *** andythenorth_ has quit IRC 09:30:02 <planetmaker> non here. 09:30:26 <planetmaker> neither with gcc 3.4.5 nor with 4.5 nor with 4.3.1 09:30:43 <planetmaker> so... my guess is that it's your error :) 09:31:07 <yorick> yes, my version of boost doesn't support gcc 4.4 09:31:17 <yorick> according to a mysql bug report :) 09:31:30 <planetmaker> though... dunno. I think I compiled prior to 2126 commit 09:31:44 <planetmaker> just 2125. There's no functional difference anyway 09:32:53 <planetmaker> at least under linux, though 2126 compiles 09:34:10 * yorick updates boost 09:35:14 <FooBar_> is it me or is tt-forums unavailabe? 09:35:54 <yorick> http://downforeveryoneorjustme.com/ 09:36:00 <Webster> Title: Down for everyone or just me? (at downforeveryoneorjustme.com) 09:37:35 <FooBar_> ah, that's a keeper :) 09:41:15 <yorick> anyone in need of a new renum? 09:41:40 <yorick> it compiles here 09:54:16 <FooBar_> I'm trying to compile one myself, but as I excpect that to fail, yes I'd like one :P 09:54:36 <yorick> FooBar_: you on windows? 09:54:40 <FooBar_> yes 09:56:04 <yorick> FooBar_: http://senduit.com/43d682 09:56:07 <Webster> Title: senduit | Share easily. (at senduit.com) 09:56:33 <FooBar_> thanks :) 09:58:33 * yorick hacks the depend away 09:58:37 <yorick> who needs dependencies... 09:59:12 <Ammler> what is the difference to those pm made? 09:59:56 <yorick> this one's stripped 10:00:03 <yorick> where's the one pm made? 10:00:57 <Ammler> http://mz.openttdcoop.org/bundles/grfdev/ 10:01:21 <Ammler> well, strange thing, grfcodec and nforenum has same rev ;-) 10:01:30 <Ammler> ve* 10:01:46 <yorick> my renum is newer 10:02:46 <yorick> I think dalestan fixed the escape just this morning 10:06:01 <Ammler> planetmaker: your zip doesn't work here 10:06:21 <Ammler> why do you zip them anyway? 10:06:54 <Ammler> and I can't wget senduit 10:07:07 <Ammler> so I leave that for now, bon appetit :-) 10:08:36 <Ammler> FooBar_: it might be an error in your script, the zip from pm doesn't work 10:08:42 <yorick> oh, I forgot including COPYING 10:09:07 <FooBar_> Ammler: what zip? 10:16:28 <yorick> FooBar_: need grfcodec r2126 too? 10:16:50 <FooBar_> most likely yes :) 10:17:08 <FooBar_> I don't think the old grfcodec likes the new renum... 10:20:19 <yorick> FooBar_: http://senduit.com/3bea80 10:20:26 <Webster> Title: senduit | Share easily. (at senduit.com) 10:21:20 <FooBar_> and thanks again :) 10:25:26 <FooBar_> or maybe not... 10:25:48 <FooBar_> renum: "Deze toepassing kan niet worden gestart omdat libgcc_s_dw2-1.dll niet kan worden gevonden." :S 10:26:10 <FooBar_> same for grfcodec 10:26:20 <yorick> oh great 10:26:26 <yorick> the dynamic libgcc thing 10:26:38 <yorick> lovely 10:27:29 <yorick> "Note that this is 10:27:29 <yorick> the default for all languages other than C. 10:27:31 <yorick> " 10:28:52 * yorick recompiles with -static-libgcc 10:29:14 <FooBar_> planetmaker's "old r2125" builds don't have that problem... 10:30:06 <yorick> FooBar_: yes, it's a new "feature" of gcc 4.4 10:30:19 <yorick> to support throwing exceptions across dlls 10:30:29 <FooBar_> nice "feature" :S 10:35:18 * yorick hopes it doesn't go complain about libgcj or libstdc++ 10:37:22 <yorick> FooBar_: http://senduit.com/766d3a <-- nforenum take #3 10:37:25 <Webster> Title: senduit | Share easily. (at senduit.com) 10:45:20 <yorick> FooBar_: http://senduit.com/eae8fa <-- grfcodec take #3 10:45:25 <yorick> these should just work :) 10:45:31 <Webster> Title: senduit | Share easily. (at senduit.com) 10:45:35 <FooBar_> let me just see... :) 10:47:47 <FooBar_> yep, these work 10:48:11 <yorick> it's automatically in my path, so I don't notice those things :) 10:48:30 <yorick> openttd also seems unaffected 10:54:02 *** andythenorth_ has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 10:55:34 <Ammler> I get same error with gcc-4.4 10:56:37 <yorick> Ammler: what same error? 11:00:05 <Ammler> same I already posted here 11:00:25 <Ammler> /home/ottdc/tools/boost_1_39_0/boost/bimap/bimap.hpp:424: internal compiler error: in reference_to_unused, at dwarf2out.c:10010 11:01:27 <yorick> oh 11:01:37 <yorick> then it's either your memory, or it's a gcc bug 11:03:28 <Ammler> no 11:03:36 <Ammler> don't believe that 11:04:34 <yorick> internal compiler error is some error within your compiler 11:36:09 <Ammler> http://mz.openttdcoop.org/bundles/firs/firs.nfo <-- FooBar_ 11:37:17 <FooBar_> that's annoying... it doesn't recognise any escape string... 11:38:01 <FooBar_> It compiles fine here with either pm's r2125 or yorick's r2126 11:40:07 <Ammler> the flag "-C" 11:40:18 <Ammler> now, it works 11:40:29 <FooBar_> ah, good 11:40:45 <Ammler> but I would like to keep the comments in the final nfo ;-) 11:41:28 <Ammler> yorick: you FAILED! ;-) 11:41:42 <yorick> huh? 11:41:48 <Ammler> you suggested to use -C 11:42:01 <yorick> gcc -C -E 11:42:02 <yorick> yes 11:42:02 <Ammler> :-) 11:42:23 <yorick> then how did I fail? 11:43:14 <Ammler> if I use that flag, I get the following nfo: http://mz.openttdcoop.org/bundles/firs/firs.nfo 11:43:24 <Ammler> without -C, it works 11:43:43 <FooBar_> I decided that there's not much advantage in keeping the comments in the processed nfo. They get stripped while encoding the grf anyways. 11:44:07 <Ammler> so the fault wasn't my nforenum version 11:44:13 <Ammler> it was that flag :-( 11:44:37 <yorick> well it works here 11:44:59 <Ammler> FooBar_: documentation for people not able to understand the whole make process, but you are right. 11:45:45 <yorick> I use gcc -C -E file | sed -e '/^E/d' -e '/^$$/d' 11:45:46 <yorick> try that 11:48:01 <Ammler> mäh 11:48:10 <Ammler> that looks very ugly 11:48:28 <yorick> | sed -e '/^#/d' -e '/^$$/d' > $@ 11:48:30 <yorick> that one 11:48:31 <yorick> I mean 11:48:48 <yorick> gcc -C -E file | sed -e '/^#/d' -e '/^$$/d' > $@ 11:48:51 <Ammler> then I decide to agree with FooBar_ and through away comments ;-) 11:49:25 * FooBar_ is agreed with 11:49:26 <yorick> Ammler: you could also try gcc -C -P -E file 11:50:57 <Ammler> hmm, that might work :-) 12:00:03 *** Webster has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 12:12:47 *** andythenorth_ has quit IRC 12:15:08 * Ammler :-( 12:15:12 <yorick> ? 12:15:20 <Ammler> don't have same md5sum on the server as foobar 12:25:33 <Ammler> http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/firs/repository/revisions/149 <-- no reference 12:25:56 <Ammler> added "part of" and "part" to the reference key words 12:30:44 <planetmaker> <yorick> I think dalestan fixed the escape just this morning <-- that's wrong 12:30:56 <planetmaker> DaleStan fixed a single compile warning which has no influence on the version 12:31:36 <planetmaker> <FooBar_> planetmaker's "old r2125" builds don't have that problem... <-- they work for you? Great :) 12:31:55 <yorick> planetmaker: "r2125 Allow hex escapes that have bit 31 set." 12:32:06 <planetmaker> yorick, what do you think which version I compiled? 12:32:13 <yorick> r2125 :D 12:32:15 <planetmaker> And what do you think when that fix was made? 12:32:18 <planetmaker> yesterday. 12:32:22 <planetmaker> Today is r2126 only 12:32:23 <yorick> 21:15 12:32:34 <FooBar_> and why do you think that fix was made? :P 12:32:40 <planetmaker> You'll notice that I have those versions up since yesterday evening. 12:33:13 <planetmaker> right one hour after FooBar_ notified me of it actually. 12:34:09 <planetmaker> btw yorick: my files are also stripped and upx packed. So please check before you spread false information 12:34:21 <yorick> k 12:34:36 * planetmaker is quite a bit annoyed by a wanna-be-cool kid :S 12:35:24 <planetmaker> So: is there for anyone a problem with my 2125 versions? 12:35:32 <planetmaker> There's no need to update to 2126 anyway. 12:36:07 <planetmaker> That I'd be majorly interested in, if it's worthwhile for me to actually go for the length to compile it. If it doesn't work it's something which needs fixing. 12:42:45 <planetmaker> FooBar_, did you ever think of using a bouncer? 12:43:01 <FooBar_> no... 12:43:09 <FooBar_> what's the advantage? 12:43:37 <planetmaker> One could leave you messages here :) 12:43:52 <planetmaker> E.g. that you could get new renum / grfcodec would have reached you at 23:30h yesterday :) 12:44:01 <planetmaker> and you'd know it once you log in to IRC 12:44:23 <planetmaker> e.g. it'd allow IRC to be somewhat like multi-person e-mail :) 12:44:55 <planetmaker> or like you noticed yesterday "oh, he isn't here". Yes, I wasn't. But I noticed later that you addressed me and I could respond. 12:46:01 <planetmaker> e.g. it makes asynchronous communication easier :) 12:46:16 <FooBar_> Well, if you didn't use I boucer I wouldn't have talked to you yesterday, as tab-highlighting wouldn't have worked ;) 12:46:43 <planetmaker> :) Well, yes. But I *think* it was a worthwhile notice. Don't you think? 12:47:13 <FooBar_> Let me think about that bouncer when I get back from holidays. I'm not interested in 4 weeks worth of messages being bounced once I get back :P 12:47:26 <planetmaker> well... you can define the history length :) 12:47:47 <FooBar_> ah 12:47:54 <FooBar_> how much is one of those bouncers? 12:48:02 <planetmaker> you mean money? 12:48:06 <planetmaker> 0 ct 12:48:12 <FooBar_> yes, I only want one if it's free :P 12:48:39 <planetmaker> It's just that we need Ammler :D 12:48:52 <planetmaker> As he knows how to setup a new account for the devzone bouncer :) 12:49:02 <FooBar_> ah 12:49:07 <planetmaker> Ammler, maybe you can walk me through so I can do that, too :) 12:50:04 <planetmaker> in principle the bouncer will keep you connected and log things. And you then only ever connect to your bouncer 12:50:29 <planetmaker> and upon login it will re-play a history of configured length 12:50:45 <Ammler> [14:48] <planetmaker> It's just that we need Ammler <-- admin account is on our admin wiki 12:50:55 <FooBar_> ok, well then I like to subscribe to one of those :) 12:51:03 <planetmaker> :) Let's try now? 12:51:10 <FooBar_> sure 12:51:35 <FooBar_> I'm only watching tv anyways 12:51:36 <Ammler> and planetmaker, I have a problem with your pack either. 12:51:51 <planetmaker> Ammler, with my pack? renum? grfcodec? 12:51:59 <Ammler> but I compiled now a veryion locally and uploaded it to the server 12:52:07 <planetmaker> hu? 12:52:21 <Ammler> wasn't able to unpack your zip 12:52:30 <planetmaker> Oh :( well. One after another. First FooBar_ 's bouncer? 12:52:38 <Ammler> but that might be an issue of the download repo 12:53:09 <Ammler> he can use the bouncer from Hirundo 12:53:49 <Ammler> http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/admin/wiki/Bouncer 12:54:03 <planetmaker> That's what I thought 12:55:43 <planetmaker> Let me try to create a new account there :) 12:58:32 <Ammler> hmm 13:01:59 <planetmaker> FooBar_, you should with the same login, I think, also be able to edit your account there: https://bnc.ammler.ch:8088/ 13:04:15 <Ammler> planetmaker: use ssl 13:04:22 <Ammler> +6697 13:04:39 <planetmaker> ok :) ^^ read that, FooBar_ ? :) 13:05:08 <FooBar_> read: yes. understand: not yet... 13:05:12 <Ammler> and the bouncer itself is reachable with ssl only 13:05:26 <Ammler> port +54322 13:05:46 <planetmaker> ok. That's the port I gave him :) 13:05:51 <FooBar_> how do I connect using a password? 13:06:04 <FooBar_> I can't seem to find a box to put that... 13:06:14 <planetmaker> FooBar_, I usually connect and then get a message like Login required (a bit more verbose) 13:06:33 <planetmaker> then I send a message like /quote pass pm:<mypw> 13:06:39 <planetmaker> and then I'm loged in. 13:06:47 <FooBar_> i'm getting [ERROR] Connection to irc://bnc.ammler.ch:54322/" target="_blank">irc://bnc.ammler.ch:54322/ (irc://bnc.ammler.ch:54322/" target="_blank">irc://bnc.ammler.ch:54322/) reset. 13:07:26 <planetmaker> you don't get the chance to type in your pw? 13:07:41 <Ammler> FooBar_: SSL 13:08:03 <FooBar_> hmmz... 13:08:32 <planetmaker> FooBar_, your IRC client should have an SSL option somewhere. Basically it's like configuring a new IRC server. 13:08:38 <planetmaker> Just use the bouncer as the new IRC server 13:09:43 <FooBar_> well, I connect typing irc:// etc... 13:10:27 <Ammler> irc://bnc.ammler.ch:+54322/ 13:10:44 <FooBar_> ah, I think I have something... 13:10:52 <FooBar_> /sslserver adress name password 13:11:06 <planetmaker> :) 13:19:56 <FooBar_> it keeps complaining about an invalid certificate... 13:21:11 <FooBar_> ah, I have something now... 13:21:26 <FooBar_> needed to authorize it in Fx and then reconnect 13:21:48 <Ammler> if you need correct cert, use dev.openttdcoop.org as domain 13:22:33 <FooBar_> well, I have it connected now 13:22:41 <Ammler> hmm, we could use that now officially, since I changed that. 13:23:07 <FooBar_> although "openttdcoop.devzone Illegal channel name" 13:23:11 <FooBar_> it tells me 13:23:37 <FooBar_> maybe because I'm connected here as well with the same nickname... 13:23:39 <FooBar_> lets's see... 13:23:41 *** FooBar_ has quit IRC 13:24:03 <planetmaker> oh. Then I forgot the leading # 13:24:12 <planetmaker> most probable. 13:24:23 <planetmaker> just use the connection you got and /join....... 13:24:24 <planetmaker> damn 13:25:24 *** FooBar- has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 13:25:38 <planetmaker> Hey FooBar- obviously it worked :) 13:25:52 <planetmaker> <planetmaker> oh. Then I forgot the leading # 13:25:52 <planetmaker> <planetmaker> most probable. 13:26:26 <FooBar-> well, it works now ;) 13:26:33 <FooBar-> I added the # 13:26:37 <Ammler> now, the configure part 13:26:45 <Ammler> did you get the welcome msg? 13:26:59 <planetmaker> Good :) 13:27:12 <planetmaker> You can add, of course, other channels, too 13:27:18 <planetmaker> And maybe change your PW 13:27:39 <FooBar-> nah, the one you gave me is fine :P 13:27:42 <Ammler> you don't need to do that with web 13:27:51 <Ammler> just enable chansaver 13:28:07 <Ammler> and then every channel you join will automatically be saved 13:29:50 <Ammler> FooBar-: run /msg *status connect 13:30:13 *** FooBar- has quit IRC 13:30:24 *** FooBar_ has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 13:30:41 <Ammler> [15:30] [275] FooBar_ is connected via SSL (secure link) <-- that's why 13:33:21 *** FooBar__ has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 13:33:31 <Ammler> :-) 13:34:36 <FooBar__> hmmmz...still need to figure out how to save password... 13:34:44 <FooBar__> and maybe even autoconnect... 13:35:01 <FooBar__> I'll be going on and offline for the next hour or so :P 13:35:36 *** FooBar__ has quit IRC 13:35:45 *** FooBar__ has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 13:35:48 <planetmaker> :D 13:37:51 <Ammler> I set some options already. 13:39:00 *** FooBar__ has quit IRC 13:39:17 *** FooBar__ has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 13:40:35 *** FooBar__ has left #openttdcoop.devzone 13:42:39 *** FooBar__ has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 13:44:45 *** FooBar__ has quit IRC 13:44:56 *** FooBar__ has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 13:45:55 <FooBar_> I don't understand... 13:46:25 <FooBar_> In the meantime it asks for a password, it also connects to irc.oftc.net#openttdcoop.devzone regularly 13:46:45 *** FooBar__ has quit IRC 13:48:57 <planetmaker> FooBar_, the bouncer is always connected :) - you just connect to it... and get access when you entered the PW. But... I figure you know that :) 13:49:03 <planetmaker> At least you're still here :) 13:50:06 <FooBar_> yes, but while I connect to the bouncer, it also opens #openttdcoop.devzone the usual way, while I have deleted that numerous times... 13:50:35 <planetmaker> FooBar_, yes. That's how your bouncer is configured: to open this channel for you upon connect. 13:50:40 <planetmaker> Or do you have it twice? 13:50:47 <planetmaker> you're here only once... 13:50:55 <FooBar_> yes, once via the bouncer, once via irc.oftc.net 13:51:06 <FooBar_> let me reconnect from scratch again 13:51:21 <planetmaker> hm... I remember something like that... 13:51:53 <FooBar_> hmmz...now it doesn't do that any more 13:52:01 <planetmaker> :) 13:52:20 <planetmaker> the ways of the computer are mysterious and shrouded. Impossible to understand they are :P 13:52:39 <FooBar_> well, now to store my password somewhere... 13:52:56 <planetmaker> that's something which doesn't work for me either... 13:53:11 <planetmaker> but I never spent much energy on trying to find that solution 13:55:06 <FooBar_> I hope to find one... 14:27:27 <Ammler> FooBar_: I used an alias before I figuered out how it works 14:27:55 <FooBar_> how it works then? :P 14:28:17 <FooBar_> provided you're talking about the password stuff... 14:28:20 <Ammler> something like pw=quote password FooBar:<pw> 14:28:34 <Ammler> then just run /pw 14:28:53 <FooBar_> ah, that would be neat 14:29:23 <Ammler> quite some time ago, I used chatzilla 14:29:40 <yorick> hmm, beardie's having trouble using my makefile 14:29:52 <yorick> renum gets called, but doesn't do anything 14:29:53 * FooBar_ reconnects 14:30:12 <planetmaker> we won't notice that with the bouncer, FooBar_ :) 14:30:26 <FooBar_> true, that's why I'm saying :P 14:30:38 <Ammler> :P 14:30:38 <planetmaker> Actually, when using a bouncer it makes sense to use the possibility to mark yourself as "away" 14:30:49 <planetmaker> you should have that option somewhere in your client. 14:30:50 <FooBar_> / pw works neatly 14:30:52 <Ammler> and now we can say good bye, if you leave ;-) 14:31:01 <planetmaker> (but don't use a different nick for away) 14:31:09 <FooBar_> did that do anything? 14:31:12 <Ammler> you just will read it the day after :P 14:31:41 <Ammler> maybe, I should remove that modul ;-) 14:32:05 <Ammler> well, I leave it until someone uses it ;-) 14:32:21 <planetmaker> Ammler, what module? 14:32:26 <Ammler> awaynick 14:32:43 <Ammler> /msg *awaynick help 14:33:39 <planetmaker> ah. :) 14:33:41 <Ammler> well, if not loaded that wouldn't work 14:33:43 <planetmaker> Remove it straight away :) 14:33:51 <Ammler> so I hope, it doesn't 14:33:56 <planetmaker> then it cannot hurt anytime soon :P 14:34:03 <Ammler> :-) 14:34:14 <Ammler> if FooBar_ is familiar with the bouncer 14:34:18 <Ammler> I could admin him. 14:34:36 <planetmaker> :) 14:34:49 <FooBar_> hmmm...not too familiar at the moment... 14:34:53 <planetmaker> what bouncer do you use actually Ammler? You have two running? 14:35:25 <Ammler> well, one is mine, the other is the one for the devzone 14:35:27 <FooBar_> I enabled NickServ to try some password stuff, then disabled it again as it didn't work and now I'm stuck with 4 error messages... 14:35:39 <Ammler> i use it for other servers too 14:35:44 <planetmaker> ah, ok 14:35:58 <Ammler> FooBar_: nickserv would need to register here 14:36:19 <Ammler> then the bouncer could "autoidentify" 14:36:35 <FooBar_> well, I don't need to use it, but I don't really want to be stuck with those messages either... 14:36:45 <planetmaker> yorick, shouldn't it be $< instead of $(<) ? 14:36:51 <Ammler> msg like? 14:37:21 <planetmaker> if renum doesn't do anything it sounds like it got an empty argument. 14:37:27 <yorick> planetmaker: would that matter? 14:37:46 <planetmaker> yorick, I haven't tried. But the makefile manual never spoke of $(<) but always of $< 14:37:51 <planetmaker> (the gnu one) 14:38:06 <FooBar_> ammler: 14:38:09 <FooBar_> [16:34] *NickServ* Nickname FooBar_ is not registered. The nickname you specify must be a 14:38:11 <FooBar_> [16:34] *NickServ* registered nickname. See HELP REGISTER for more information. If you believe 14:38:12 <FooBar_> [16:34] *NickServ* this to be incorrect, there could be a database problem; contact network 14:38:14 <FooBar_> [16:34] *NickServ* support if this problem persists. 14:38:21 <yorick> planetmaker: http://i252.photobucket.com/albums/hh18/beardie27/error-1.jpg 14:38:24 <planetmaker> FooBar_, then register :) 14:38:43 <Ammler> FooBar_: that is once 14:38:51 <Ammler> just unload the nickserv module 14:39:06 <Ammler> /query *status 14:39:23 <FooBar_> No such nick/channel 14:39:27 <Ammler> unloadmod nickserv 14:39:34 <yorick> renum should atleast say 14:39:35 <yorick> Processing complete. 14:39:45 <FooBar_> [ERROR] Unknown command “unloadmod”. 14:39:51 <yorick> and it does when called separately in exactly the same way 14:39:57 <planetmaker> yorick, obviously no was.pnfo.new.nfo is created 14:40:07 <yorick> yes 14:40:15 <yorick> but it should 14:40:17 <planetmaker> e.g. renum doesn't do anything as it is the output of renum. Isn't it? 14:40:18 <Ammler> FooBar_: did you type the "*"? 14:40:18 <FooBar_> I disabled it via the web interface, like the way I enabled it. Maybe it takes time to refresh settings? 14:40:29 <FooBar_> no, a / 14:40:30 <yorick> renum doesn't do anything 14:40:31 <planetmaker> yorick, maybe try to feed it a file called .nfo instead of .pnfo 14:40:35 <Ammler> a reconnect 14:40:37 * FooBar_ tries again 14:40:51 <Ammler> but you can configure with /query *status everything from irc 14:41:33 <FooBar_> unloadmod: [INFO] No such nick/channel 14:41:48 <yorick> planetmaker: ah, the error showed up this time: "Could not create .renum directory in C:. (17) File exists" 14:42:08 <planetmaker> he 14:42:08 <yorick> but when running it using sh, it also says "created .renum directory in ~" :) 14:42:13 <Ammler> FooBar_: you did that in *status ? 14:42:43 <FooBar_> ah... [16:42] <*status> Module [nickserv] not loaded. 14:43:03 <Ammler> and you still get the errors? 14:43:16 <FooBar_> after a reconnect: yes 14:43:16 <Ammler> then type connect in *status 14:43:31 <Ammler> I meant you need to reconnect with the bouncer 14:43:48 <planetmaker> hm... tt-forums are still down :( 14:43:56 <Ammler> orude is in vacation 14:44:05 <FooBar_> I restarted the whole IRC thingy :) 14:44:11 *** FooBar_ has quit IRC 14:44:14 <planetmaker> cool. The German tt-forums, too :O 14:44:21 <Ammler> hehe 14:44:24 *** FooBar_ has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 14:44:32 <planetmaker> but there it's just a 403 for the forum itself. The site is still reachable 14:44:33 <Ammler> FooBar_: wb :P 14:45:27 <planetmaker> FooBar_, and now you can secretly listen to us when we just talk badly about you in your (presumed) absence ;) 14:45:50 <FooBar_> planetmaker: I could read the logs if I wanted to... 14:45:54 <planetmaker> :) 14:46:22 <planetmaker> who wants to do that anyway? ;) 14:46:33 <FooBar_> still [16:45] *NickServ* Nickname FooBar_ is not registered... on reconnect 14:51:37 *** andythenorth_ has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 14:53:00 <planetmaker> he... andythenorth_ has a bouncer account, too, hasn't he? 14:53:08 <planetmaker> hello :) 14:53:54 *** andythenorth_ has quit IRC 14:53:59 <planetmaker> :O 14:54:33 <FooBar_> I don't recall having it from the beginning, only after I enabled and disabled nickserv 14:55:26 <FooBar_> well have I ever... 14:55:48 <FooBar_> I had identify <password> in the auto-command list as a leftover 14:56:22 <FooBar_> Now I wonder why that did something now, but not if I have quote PASS user:pass in it... 15:01:26 <Ammler> nickserv 15:01:35 <Ammler> is for the bouncer to idnetify here 15:01:39 <Ammler> on oftc.net 15:01:50 <Ammler> with quote PASS, you identify on the boucner 15:02:09 <Ammler> if your settings allow server password 15:02:25 <Ammler> you could use that instead "username:password" 15:09:27 <FooBar_> well, noting is less work than / pw I guess... 15:09:49 <yorick> hmm, how would I depend on pcx files 15:10:23 <Ammler> FooBar_: using linux makes you lazy ;-) 15:10:47 <FooBar_> yorick: see the firs makefile and sprites/nfo/firs.pnfo 15:10:50 <Ammler> I don't need to type anything :-) 15:11:36 <yorick> FooBar_: now that's quite a stupid way :p 15:11:43 <planetmaker> FooBar_, that *works*. But nicer would - of course - be to just extract it from the source. 15:12:03 <yorick> what he said ^^ 15:12:14 <FooBar_> yorick: complain to planetmaker about it being stupid. I didn't invent it... 15:12:44 <FooBar_> and you asked a how, I give you a how :) 15:14:33 <planetmaker> :) 15:16:53 <Ammler> yes, let us blame planetmaker 15:17:07 <Ammler> for what again? 15:17:18 <FooBar_> :) 15:17:36 <Ammler> ah, doesn't matter :P 15:17:47 <planetmaker> pa! 15:18:10 * planetmaker goes and commits sudo rm -rf in all makefiles :P 15:18:19 <Ammler> :P 15:18:23 <Ammler> lol 15:18:33 <planetmaker> yes, I know it's wrong :P 15:18:55 <Ammler> don't give yorick ideas ;-) 15:19:04 <planetmaker> :-x 15:24:10 <planetmaker> cat sprites/ogfx1_base.pnfo sprites/ogfxt_toyland.pnfo sprites/ogfxh_tropical.pnfo | grep 'pcx' | awk '{ print }' | grep 'pcx' | sort | uniq > test.log 15:24:18 <planetmaker> should work. At least mostly 15:24:29 <planetmaker> adapted properly 15:24:55 <planetmaker> of course it doesn't work with modified real sprite lines :) 15:25:29 <yorick> meh, my real sprites are partially heavily modified 15:25:53 <FooBar_> may I recommend not parsing the complete nfo just to figure out the pcx files? that most likely makes the makefile even slower 15:26:22 <Ammler> yorick: you could define the realsprites and use that as dependency file 15:26:40 <planetmaker> yorick, I know :) 15:26:52 <planetmaker> FooBar_, that doesn't really hurt. 15:27:02 <planetmaker> At least not the parsing. 15:27:42 <FooBar_> what is it then that it takes so long before it actually starts doing anything? 15:27:43 <yorick> but I can depend after processing 15:27:51 <planetmaker> Interestingly the makefile on my linux systems is WAY faster than on my windows. 15:28:13 <planetmaker> FooBar_, I wish I knew 15:28:40 <yorick> cat was.pnfo | sed "s/^[ \t]*//" | grep "pcx" | awk '{ print }' | grep 'pc 15:28:43 <yorick> x' | sort | uniq 15:30:38 *** andythenorth_ has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 15:32:14 * FooBar_ doesn't say goodbye as he has a bouncer now 15:32:40 <Ammler> cu FooBar_ :-) 15:32:47 <Ammler> FooBar_: you can still say good bye 15:32:50 <yorick> planetmaker: have you tried awk '/pcx { print }' 15:32:50 <yorick> ? 15:33:22 <yorick> /pcx/* 15:33:40 <planetmaker> no 15:34:04 <planetmaker> awk isn't yet my friend :) 15:35:45 <planetmaker> he... that made it indeed a lot slower :P 15:37:01 <planetmaker> hm... I think I have to use time :) 15:37:52 <planetmaker> real 0m10.893s 15:37:52 <planetmaker> user 0m4.676s 15:37:52 <planetmaker> sys 0m1.012s 15:37:52 <planetmaker> ^^ as is now 15:38:11 <yorick> that's slow 15:38:24 <planetmaker> real 0m10.189s 15:38:25 <planetmaker> user 0m4.620s 15:38:25 <planetmaker> sys 0m1.152s 15:38:25 <planetmaker> ^^ as is with parsing all nfo 15:38:29 <planetmaker> so... even faster 15:39:03 <planetmaker> @calc 10.893 / 10.189 15:39:03 <Webster> planetmaker: 1.06909412111 15:40:45 <planetmaker> change pushed :) 15:41:07 <planetmaker> yorick, that's for a complete make of a newgrf. 10 seconds is fine, isn't it? 15:41:27 <yorick> I guess so 15:41:49 <Ammler> planetmaker: add a progress bar :P 15:42:03 <planetmaker> Ammler, you have it via the makefile output... 15:42:14 <Ammler> really? 15:42:17 <Ammler> how? 15:42:23 <planetmaker> well... implicitly :) 15:42:25 <Ammler> I was just joking :P 15:43:18 <yorick> hmm, it seems like awk pattern matching is indeed slower than grep 15:44:24 * planetmaker hugs Ammler 15:44:34 * yorick hugs planetmaker 15:45:23 <planetmaker> :) 15:45:30 <yorick> ew... 15:45:30 * planetmaker hugs yorick 15:45:56 <yorick> you're all full of ammler! 15:47:25 <planetmaker> pfft! Ammler's a nice person. No one to be "ew" about... 15:47:48 <Ammler> he, I didn't make a shower today :P 15:48:29 <planetmaker> yeah... the real male scent :P 15:49:09 <yorick> ew, swiss real male scent 15:49:34 * planetmaker thinks some people have a problem with their own self-conciousness :P 15:51:23 * yorick thinks that too 15:52:41 *** andythenorth_ has quit IRC 16:09:47 *** FooBar_ has quit IRC 16:09:47 *** Hirundo has quit IRC 16:09:48 *** Mark has quit IRC 16:09:48 *** Ammler has quit IRC 16:09:48 *** Osai has quit IRC 16:09:48 *** XeryusTC has quit IRC 16:09:48 *** planetmaker has quit IRC 16:09:48 *** SmatZ has quit IRC 16:09:48 *** tneo has quit IRC 16:09:48 *** yorick has quit IRC 16:12:36 *** FooBar_ has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 16:12:36 *** yorick has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 16:12:36 *** Osai has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 16:12:36 *** Mark has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 16:12:36 *** SmatZ has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 16:12:36 *** planetmaker has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 16:12:36 *** Hirundo has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 16:12:36 *** Ammler has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 16:12:36 *** XeryusTC has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 16:12:36 *** tneo has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 16:12:37 <planetmaker> but not really :) 16:12:37 <planetmaker> yorick, $ works :) 16:12:37 <yorick> ah :) 16:13:59 <yorick> awk seems picky about the type of quotes used 16:15:21 <planetmaker> @calc 10.893/11.110 16:15:21 <Webster> planetmaker: 0.980468046805 16:18:00 <planetmaker> @calc 15.139/15.157 16:18:00 <Webster> planetmaker: 0.9988124299 16:18:23 <planetmaker> hm... are commits not announced anymore? :( 16:20:37 <planetmaker> Ammler, any idea about Webster's announcements? Why they're gone? 16:20:50 <planetmaker> hm... no... not webster. It was Brot?! 16:20:52 <planetmaker> where is it? 16:21:02 <planetmaker> I'm hungry! :P 16:21:15 <Ammler> @seen Brot6 16:21:15 <Webster> Ammler: Brot6 was last seen in #openttdcoop.devzone 14 hours, 47 minutes, and 37 seconds ago: <Brot6> Kids, the seven basic food groups are GUM, PUFF PASTRY, PIZZA, PESTICIDES, ANTIBIOTICS, NUTRA-SWEET and MILK DUDS!! 16:21:38 <Ammler> @services op 16:21:38 *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Webster 16:21:50 <Ammler> :-) 16:21:54 <yorick> that's webster 16:21:55 <planetmaker> :) 16:21:58 <planetmaker> nice 16:22:03 <planetmaker> I shall remember that 16:22:18 <Ammler> :-) 16:22:46 <Ammler> oh, brot6 is on the server 16:22:48 <Ammler> invite him 16:23:09 <planetmaker> why did it leave? 16:23:18 <Ammler> some restart, dunno. 16:23:25 <planetmaker> planetmaker, you don't have 'basics::move::join' permissions here 16:23:31 <planetmaker> so it won't work for me :) 16:23:40 <Ammler> how did you? 16:23:49 <Ammler> /invite Brot6 16:23:59 <planetmaker> sure 16:24:18 *** Brot6 has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 16:24:48 <Ammler> !watch 16:24:58 <Ammler> !watch devzone 16:25:08 <Ammler> !rss watch devzone 16:25:08 <Brot6> Ammler: Already watching DevZone in #openttdcoop.devzone 16:25:25 <Ammler> !rss show devzone 16:25:25 <Brot6> Ammler: lemme fetch it... 16:25:25 <Brot6> Ammler: using old data 16:25:25 <Brot6> Ammler: Channel : #openttdcoop Development Zone: Activity 16:25:25 <Brot6> 2009/07/07 18:19 :: 2cc train set - Revision 221: Feature: Depend on the pcx files as quoted in the nfo files, slowin... @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/2cctrainset/repository/revisions/221 (by planetmaker) 16:25:25 <Brot6> 2009/07/07 18:15 :: FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 152: Fix (r151): use the proper variables :P. But it's 2... @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/firs/repository/revisions/152 (by planetmaker) 16:25:29 <Brot6> 2009/07/07 17:40 :: FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 151: Feature: Depend on the pcx files as quoted in the n... @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/firs/repository/revisions/151 (by planetmaker) 16:25:33 <Brot6> 2009/07/07 17:40 :: World Airliners Set - Revision 280: don't convert the palette @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/worldairlineset/repository/revisions/280 (by yorick) 16:25:37 <Brot6> 2009/07/07 17:28 :: World Airliners Set - Revision 279: Added two new MD planes DC10-30 and DC9-30 Pngs @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/worldairlineset/repository/revisions/279 (by Beardie27) 16:26:10 * yorick thinks floodserv should be here 16:26:22 <Ammler> !kick yorick 16:40:41 <yorick> http://openttd.pastebin.com/d6155ec70 :) 16:45:40 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: World Airliners Set - Revision 281: Depend on pcx files @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/worldairlineset/repository/revisions/281 (by yorick) 16:49:24 <FooBar_> hmmmz...my bouncer didn't bounce... 16:49:59 <FooBar_> I had the buffer set to 0 (the default) and KeepBuffer disabled... 17:01:43 <planetmaker> Well. You were online. But obviously you still had your history set to 0. 17:01:48 <planetmaker> Well. Nothing much happend. 17:01:58 <planetmaker> I only changed the makefile to automatically depend on the pcx :) 17:02:40 <planetmaker> And I should find out what eats the makefile time :) 17:03:35 <yorick> to determine nothing to be done, it needs 6 seconds here already 17:03:49 <yorick> while that's just read from Makefile.dep 17:04:02 <planetmaker> real 0m4.333s 17:04:02 <planetmaker> user 0m3.560s 17:04:02 <planetmaker> sys 0m0.724s 17:04:02 <planetmaker> ^^ for heqs for the same 17:04:14 <yorick> full compile 17:04:19 <yorick> real 0m8.645s 17:04:19 <yorick> user 0m0.684s 17:04:20 <yorick> sys 0m1.731s 17:06:08 <FooBar_> planetmaker: It works now... setting history to 0 did indeed not disable the limit :P 17:06:19 <planetmaker> :) 17:09:51 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: Heavy Equipment Set - Revision 95: Feature: depend on pcx files and update the makefile to r1 of ... @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/heqs/repository/revisions/95 (by planetmaker) 17:14:49 <Ammler> planetmaker: \o/ 17:14:54 <Ammler> generic makefile 17:14:54 <planetmaker> :) 17:14:59 <planetmaker> coming :) 17:15:03 <Ammler> :-) 17:17:26 <planetmaker> unfortunately this approach doesn't work for OpenGFX. At least not easily 17:18:23 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: Generic NewGRF Makefile - Revision 5: Feature: depend on the pcx files automatically @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/newgrf-makefile/repository/revisions/5 (by planetmaker) 17:18:23 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: Generic NewGRF Makefile - Revision 6: Cleanup: remove now unnecessary variables from the config file @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/newgrf-makefile/repository/revisions/6 (by planetmaker) 17:19:46 <Ammler> is there a option to just skip the dependency check? 17:19:53 <planetmaker> no 17:20:04 <planetmaker> and there cannot be. 17:20:09 <Ammler> or does it do that automatically, if you make a new compile? 17:20:22 <planetmaker> say again? 17:20:37 <Ammler> well, I will see... 17:20:55 <planetmaker> dependency is always checked. Upon each call of make 17:20:57 <Ammler> if I make a new compile after make clean 17:21:01 <planetmaker> even for test actually. 17:21:10 <planetmaker> of course, then, too 17:21:15 <Ammler> hmm 17:21:19 <Ammler> make help 17:21:22 <planetmaker> :) 17:22:15 <Ammler> you should somewhere document the targets imo. 17:22:22 <Ammler> or we :-) 17:22:52 <planetmaker> :) 17:23:12 <planetmaker> Yes, there are sufficient amount of targets that it needs documentation. 17:23:23 <planetmaker> Could go in the readme.txt, though 17:24:48 <Ammler> a text file which will be printed with make help 17:25:00 <Ammler> :-) 17:25:21 <Ammler> Makefile.help 17:25:32 <Ammler> or Makefile.readme 17:25:37 <planetmaker> :) 17:25:56 <planetmaker> yes, makes sense. Thoug there's a line in each Makefile: # Targets: 17:25:56 <planetmaker> # all, test, bundle, install, dev, remake 17:25:57 <Ammler> or Makefile.usage 17:26:44 <Ammler> well, it would also help people which make their own makefile 17:26:56 <Ammler> so they use same target for same purpose 17:29:45 <planetmaker> yes. Very much so. I fully agree :) 17:30:51 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 153: Feature: implement verbosity of the makefile as a c... @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/firs/repository/revisions/153 (by planetmaker) 17:36:24 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 154: Fix (r152): don't port errors... port the right stu... @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/firs/repository/revisions/154 (by planetmaker) 17:47:01 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 155: We have sufficient space for stupid users @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/firs/repository/revisions/155 (by planetmaker) 17:54:41 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: Generic NewGRF Makefile - Revision 7: Fix: @ != (V) @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/newgrf-makefile/repository/revisions/7 (by planetmaker) 17:58:02 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: 2cc train set - Revision 222: Feature: implement verbosity of the makefile as a config parameter.... @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/2cctrainset/repository/revisions/222 (by planetmaker) 17:59:52 <FooBar_> planetmaker: pull if you're doing stuff on FIRS, otherwise you need to merge ;) 18:00:22 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 156: Doc: Expand the readme a bit. @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/firs/repository/revisions/156 (by foobar) 18:02:40 <FooBar_> oh, and planetmaker: let me edit firs.pfno, as I have an uncommitted error in there at the moment... 18:02:58 <FooBar_> error != edit, but I meant the latter... 18:04:01 <Brot6> 2cctrainset: Backup push to ssh://hg@bitbucket.org/OpenTTD/2cctrainset/ initiated. 18:04:10 <Brot6> firs: Backup push to ssh://hg@bitbucket.org/firs/firs/ initiated. 18:04:16 <Brot6> heqs: Backup push to ssh://hg@bitbucket.org/firs/heqs/ initiated. 18:08:04 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: Heavy Equipment Set - Revision 96: Change: use the 'usual' dir structure with a separate nfo dir @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/heqs/repository/revisions/96 (by planetmaker) 18:08:04 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: Heavy Equipment Set - Revision 97: Change: reflect the changes of r96 also in the Makefiles and a... @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/heqs/repository/revisions/97 (by planetmaker) 18:08:23 <planetmaker> FooBar_, ok. 18:19:29 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: Generic NewGRF Makefile - Revision 8: Doc: explain the different makefile targets and fix a small... @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/newgrf-makefile/repository/revisions/8 (by planetmaker) 18:20:14 <planetmaker> <-- ci spree :P 18:22:36 <FooBar_> better than a killing spree... 18:22:59 <planetmaker> http://dev.openttdcoop.org/attachments/download/223/fix_spaces.diff <-- FooBar_ please commit this then, when you're done. That needs doing. Better before you test your stuff 18:23:16 <FooBar_> I already tested my stuff :( 18:23:28 <planetmaker> won't hurt, I think. I *hope* 18:23:32 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 157: Codechange: seperate generic tiles from industry de... @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/firs/repository/revisions/157 (by foobar) 18:23:32 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: FIRS Industry Replacement Set - fix_spaces.diff @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/attachments/download/223/fix_spaces.diff (by planetmaker) 18:24:01 <planetmaker> ok , then I can also commit myself :) 18:24:05 <FooBar_> But you can commit yourself now, I already committed the new firs.pnfo 18:24:30 <Ammler> :-) 18:24:46 <Ammler> a lot revisions going on... 18:24:56 <planetmaker> :) 18:25:26 <planetmaker> I really, really, really should first work on the generic newgrf-makefile, then test it on the projects, and only then commit... :S 18:25:38 <Ammler> maybe I try again my opengfx to commit :-) 18:25:57 <Ammler> planetmaker: :-) 18:26:02 <Ammler> fix the fix of the fix 18:26:19 <planetmaker> Well... rather missing things. 18:26:30 <FooBar_> which wasn't broken, as the makefile worked for me for quite some time now ;) 18:26:35 <planetmaker> fixing something, but not noticing that a similar line needs fixing 18:26:47 <planetmaker> FooBar_, just make worked fine 18:27:00 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 158: Fix: remove yet some more erronous spaces in the Ma... @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/firs/repository/revisions/158 (by planetmaker) 18:27:00 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: World Airliners Set - Revision 282: Fix: sometimes makefile.dep failed @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/worldairlineset/repository/revisions/282 (by yorick) 18:27:03 <planetmaker> but make bundle could be funny... 18:27:13 <FooBar_> make install and make release worked for me as well the past few days... 18:27:23 <FooBar_> ah, I never use bundle... 18:27:27 <planetmaker> or screw you, if you're an unaware Administrator :). And yes, just what I did today. 18:27:41 <Ammler> make install does use bundle, afaik 18:27:46 <planetmaker> yes 18:28:02 <planetmaker> install: bundle :) 18:28:10 <planetmaker> + a bit copy 18:36:25 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: Heavy Equipment Set - Revision 95: Feature: depend on pcx files and update the makefile to r1 of ... @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/heqs/repository/revisions/95 (by planetmaker) 18:36:33 <planetmaker> ? 18:36:57 <FooBar_> yes, it does that sometimes... 18:37:24 <planetmaker> yes... 18:39:13 * planetmaker thinks of making opengfx makefile 'simple' as in adding 6 targets explicitly with the respective names... 18:39:28 <planetmaker> it would solve all dependency checks then easily 18:39:45 <planetmaker> and I should look at make depend 18:41:51 <planetmaker> catch you later... Dinner now 18:42:47 <Ammler> he 18:49:11 *** Beardie has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 18:49:24 <Beardie> Hi everyone 18:49:33 <yorick> Hi Beardie! 18:49:57 <Beardie> Hello 18:50:01 <yorick> Hello 18:50:02 <Beardie> Chatzilla works then :) 18:50:08 <FooBar_> hi there 18:50:15 <Beardie> Hello 18:50:25 <Beardie> just checking if chatzilla works :) 18:50:34 <FooBar_> why wouldn't it? 18:50:45 <Beardie> i don't know, i have justed installed it 18:50:49 <Beardie> just* 18:50:52 <FooBar_> I'm using it ever since I started being on irc :) 18:50:58 <FooBar_> what you used previously? 18:51:10 <Beardie> java app on the tt-forum site, though that is down 18:51:37 <FooBar_> ah ok. I think chatzilla is much more comfortable then. 18:51:47 <Beardie> it is 18:51:55 <yorick> Beardie: does it flash? 18:52:05 <Beardie> it does 18:52:06 <yorick> k 18:52:09 <Beardie> like a MSN window 18:52:11 <FooBar_> As you can close your browser without problems 18:52:22 <Beardie> i know :) 18:52:30 * yorick uses Irssi 18:52:30 <FooBar_> yorick: it does even play the "ding" sound :) 18:52:32 *** andythenorth_ has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 18:52:35 <Beardie> i use google Chrome as my defauly though 18:52:37 <yorick> it only plays the ding sound here ;) 18:52:43 <yorick> no flashy 18:53:13 <andythenorth_> grr where are the forums? 18:53:16 <FooBar_> well, better than noting :P 18:53:25 <Beardie> down andy 18:53:29 <yorick> the forums are at #tycoon 18:53:31 <yorick> :D 18:53:35 <Beardie> lol 18:53:36 <FooBar_> andythenorth_: not around, has been like this all day 18:54:05 <FooBar_> I had to amuse myself today by getting a bouncer :) 18:54:41 <Beardie> getting a bouncer? 18:55:11 <FooBar_> yes, a thing that saves the IRC messages for me while I'm offline 18:55:18 <planetmaker> [Edit] [Delete] andythenorth 0 -N/A- andythenorth <-- you exist with the bouncer, too, andythenorth_ ... 18:55:34 * planetmaker wonders why you don't use it :) 18:55:38 <yorick> andythenorth_: that would be nicer too look at than the constant joins 18:55:42 <yorick> and leaves 18:55:42 <andythenorth_> I can't get it working 18:56:00 <planetmaker> hm... define "can't get it working" 18:56:03 <FooBar_> andythenorth_: ofcourse you can. I got it working... 18:56:12 <Beardie> The Rain is here 18:56:14 <yorick> if he gets it working, then you can! 18:56:17 <andythenorth_> I didn't get 'it' working when I tried 18:56:51 <andythenorth_> It being specifically: colloquy IRC client for mac + the bouncer Ammler gave me 18:56:58 * Beardie stares at much rain and wonders if thunder will come and if sun will ever come back 18:57:08 * yorick hopes not 18:57:17 <FooBar_> ammler and pm guided me through the process very nicely. I think they can do the same for you 18:57:19 <planetmaker> Beardie, hopeless. The sun is here :) 18:57:31 <Beardie> not good 18:57:33 <planetmaker> FooBar_, honestly, you were quite easy with that 18:57:41 <yorick> hmm, how did I get to a wikipedia "File Sharing and the law" page 18:57:42 <yorick> " 18:57:42 <Beardie> here dark clouds in every direction 18:57:44 <FooBar_> was I? 18:58:01 <planetmaker> like "here's the link, use that login - waiting - no, use SSL - waiting - 'I'M IN!'" :P 18:58:12 <FooBar_> I mean, yes I was :) 18:58:35 * Ammler prefers mibbit.com as web irc client 18:58:37 * Beardie can't wait for his holiday in Switzerland where the sun is and wonders if he will run into Ammler 18:58:59 * FooBar_ wants to write in italics as well 18:59:21 <Ammler> [20:56] <FooBar_> andythenorth_: ofcourse you can. I got it working... <-- yes, now everyone should be able to ;) 18:59:22 <FooBar_> or "also", whichever you prefer 18:59:35 <FooBar_> Ammler: yes 18:59:40 * planetmaker just adds his italics... 18:59:52 <Ammler> no sun here :P 18:59:56 <Beardie> shame 19:00:05 <yorick> Beardie: beware of the ammlers 19:00:07 <Beardie> i hope there is when i com on the 18th 19:00:10 <Beardie> lol 19:00:15 <FooBar_> Ammler: ofcourse not, the sun is with planetmakr at the moment :P 19:00:29 <Beardie> If you don;t mind me asking Ammler where in Swiss do you live? 19:00:40 <planetmaker> Beardie, the name is the programme :) 19:00:41 <Ammler> might be, maybe he needs it for new planet 19:00:50 <planetmaker> Ammler, sure I do! 19:00:52 <Ammler> Beardie: Amden 19:00:53 <FooBar_> do a whois on ammler.ch and you'll know 19:01:07 <Ammler> indeed ^ 19:01:12 <yorick> so that's how he got the name 19:01:18 <FooBar_> at least that's what I did :P 19:01:19 <planetmaker> hehe. But the telephone number is not unambigeously 19:01:27 <FooBar_> anyways, I'll be watching tv now, bye! 19:01:31 <yorick> CH-8873 Amden 19:01:38 <yorick> Schwendistrasse 7 19:01:38 <Ammler> planetmaker: I drive a Taxi :P 19:01:42 <Beardie> i'll be on holiday near Geneva no where near Ammler 19:02:02 <yorick> googlec53b77d76fd89020 19:02:09 <andythenorth_> ok, no forums, lets try this bouncer business again... 19:02:12 <Ammler> Beardie: that is around 6 hours apart 19:02:12 <planetmaker> or you live with some other relatives whom the telephone landline belongs to :) 19:02:20 <Ammler> like on the other side of my country 19:02:26 <andythenorth_> bnc.ammler.ch 19:02:28 <andythenorth_> ?? 19:02:31 <andythenorth_> using ssl 19:02:32 <andythenorth_> ?? 19:02:41 <Ammler> andythenorth_: use dev.openttdcoop.org 19:02:48 <Ammler> hmm 19:02:57 <Ammler> dunno, if I already changed the certs 19:03:11 <yorick> Registrar: GoDaddy.com, Inc. (R91-LROR) 19:03:25 <Ammler> my domain? 19:03:26 <Beardie> quick question why do FooBar_ and andythenorth_ have underscores at the end of their names? 19:03:29 <Ammler> www.gkg.net 19:03:31 <yorick> Ammler: openttdcoop.org 19:03:38 <yorick> Beardie: because they want to 19:03:40 <Ammler> or swtich.ch 19:03:58 <Beardie> ok 19:04:00 <Ammler> Beardie: that is level 1 19:04:00 <Beardie> lol 19:04:07 <Ammler> you are still on level 0 19:04:15 <Beardie> level 1??? 19:04:16 <andythenorth_> ahem, so many domains. How about one person just helps me sort this out? Perhaps by private? 19:04:23 <Ammler> I guess, or higher 19:04:26 <yorick> Beardie: they like confusing people 19:04:31 <Beardie> ok lol 19:04:39 <yorick> or maybe not... 19:04:47 <yorick> Barbie! 19:05:11 <Ammler> andy, feel free to query me 19:05:15 <andythenorth_> this is only slightly less inane than #tycoon :( 19:05:21 <yorick> andythenorth_: it is :( 19:05:29 <andythenorth_> signal-vs-noise is high today 19:05:36 <yorick> andythenorth_: piece of cat-cake! 19:06:03 <Ammler> FooBar_: I bet, tomorrow, your "_" is gone 19:06:07 <yorick> don't be confused, I won't explain it! 19:06:30 <Ammler> with a bouncer, you can very easy fetch your favorite nick :-) 19:06:58 <yorick> andythenorth_: unless exactly! 19:07:26 <yorick> WITH!!!!! 3 _s 19:07:29 <Beardie> i was lost at when foobar siad he was getting a bouncer 19:08:15 <yorick> Beardie: be not afraid, foobar took a shower this morning, I hope 19:08:30 <Beardie> lol 19:10:48 * yorick brb 19:11:23 *** andythenorth_ has quit IRC 19:11:39 <Ammler> hmm 19:12:25 * yorick got himself an oudhollandse stroopwafel 19:12:39 <Ammler> planetmaker: do you know the irc client from andy 19:12:41 <Ammler> ? 19:13:04 *** andythenorth_ has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 19:13:38 * Beardie wonders how he just dropped a 5p coin into his bin 19:14:00 <andythenorth_> maybe I need a better chat client. planetmaker what do you use? 19:15:06 <Beardie> i just started to use Chatzilla like five minutes ago 19:15:57 <Ammler> planetmaker: uses xchat and chatzilla 19:16:17 <Beardie> why both? 19:16:19 <Ammler> /version planetmaker 19:16:29 <Ammler> ups 19:16:48 <yorick> xchat linux 19:16:53 <yorick> chatzilla mac? 19:16:58 <Ammler> I guess 19:17:05 <Ammler> or xhat too, now 19:17:07 <planetmaker> Chatzilla on mac 19:17:08 <planetmaker> xchat on linux 19:17:10 <planetmaker> currently both should be active :P 19:17:11 <Beardie> makes more sense now :) 19:17:13 <yorick> ^^ 19:17:13 <planetmaker> xchat runs 24/7 :) 19:17:16 <planetmaker> [21:14] <planetmaker> Chatzilla on mac 19:17:18 <planetmaker> not yet, Ammler. Unfortunately 19:17:37 <yorick> xchat - paid open-source 19:17:46 <planetmaker> xchat is nicer. But the older mac xchat I have has problems with another concurrent client 19:17:47 <Ammler> on windows :P 19:17:57 <planetmaker> and there's no newer one. 19:18:22 <planetmaker> Compilation is anything but easy as the list of dependencies is endless and cannot be fulfilled automatically by macports 19:18:36 <planetmaker> I gave up after the 3rd manual need to fix things 19:18:40 <Ammler> I would like xchat too, but it isn't that nice integrated in KDE 19:18:41 <andythenorth_> bah chatzilla means I have to run Firefox. That's a big no no 19:18:45 <planetmaker> without any light at the end of the tunnel 19:18:52 <Ammler> i.e. no copy&paste with middle mouse 19:19:02 <planetmaker> Ammler: could be better, yes 19:19:03 <Beardie> you can turn firefox of andy and leave the chat open 19:19:16 <planetmaker> andythenorth_: :) yes, that's the big backdraw. 19:19:17 <Beardie> off* 19:19:22 <planetmaker> But it's my default browser... so 19:19:29 <yorick> what's with the firefox-haters 19:19:36 <yorick> firefox is the best thing since netscape! 19:19:49 <Ammler> I would run opera, but 19:19:51 <planetmaker> doesn't mean much, eh? 19:19:55 <Ammler> it has no gears support 19:20:09 <andythenorth_> firefox is a lame browser. But it's a great web dev environment (with firebug) 19:20:16 <planetmaker> eh? 19:20:25 <planetmaker> why is it lame, honestly? 19:20:44 <andythenorth_> subjective matters of taste 19:20:45 <andythenorth_> slow 19:20:46 <Beardie> yorick: i am 500 clicks off pulsing lol, wish me good luck 19:20:49 <andythenorth_> hate the awesome bar 19:20:57 <andythenorth_> it's always bothering me for updates to plugins 19:21:19 <andythenorth_> gui occasionally weird 19:21:41 <andythenorth_> I prefer camino, same blindingly fast rendering engine, better mac gui 19:21:55 <andythenorth_> but now safari 4 is out...spanks most other browsers 19:22:01 <yorick> awesome bar is great, it's fast, too, and the alternative is no updates :D 19:22:10 <andythenorth_> meh 19:22:27 <andythenorth_> however firebug = work of genius 19:22:31 <yorick> and I don't like the way new browsers add the tab bar to their windows 19:22:59 <planetmaker> http://cybernetnews.com/cybernotes-browser-performance-comparisons/ <-- if it comes to speed, you should use Safari, andythenorth_ :) 19:23:01 <Webster> Title: Browser Performance Comparisons (at cybernetnews.com) 19:23:32 <andythenorth_> safari 4 is faster again. safari 3 was a bit of a dog 19:23:45 <Beardie> and where is chrome on that link? 19:23:51 <yorick> planetmaker: where in that test is firefox 3.5 19:23:54 <yorick> and chrome 19:24:01 <planetmaker> then camino is as lame as firfox, if it comes to speed according to other comparisons (but older) 19:24:16 <yorick> those comparisons are a bit too old... 19:24:46 <andythenorth_> Firefox renders quick, but is slow to use. If that makes no sense, don't worry about it. If I used FF for months on end, I'd get used to it :) 19:24:54 <yorick> http://venturebeat.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/pc_benchmarks1.jpg 19:25:03 <andythenorth_> also, using firefox for web dev means things like: sometimes turning off javascript, cache, etc. And constantly clearing cache as well. 19:25:14 <andythenorth_> which makes browsing a bit of a crap experience 19:25:24 <andythenorth_> err back on topic? 19:25:40 <planetmaker> yorick: that's an image w/o explanation :) 19:25:57 <planetmaker> andythenorth_: good idea :) 19:26:24 <andythenorth_> so I can't be bothered to change IRC client :D 19:26:29 <andythenorth_> so no bouncer for me 19:26:35 <planetmaker> ? 19:26:49 <planetmaker> that reasoning still doesn't hold for me :) 19:27:01 <yorick> also, V8 benchmarks aren't fair 19:27:05 <andythenorth_> colloquy has a crap interface for adding new connections, the console is lame, and it's been a full day of work 19:27:30 * Beardie will be back later he has some things to do before he watches Torchwood: Children of the Earth on BBC1 19:27:36 <andythenorth_> so maybe I should draw something instead 19:27:49 <planetmaker> andythenorth_: I think I used it before, too... 19:28:11 <planetmaker> but I found it too much hassle and dropped it back when I was still using chatzilla on both computers 19:28:32 <planetmaker> yes, I used it 19:30:21 <yorick> http://www.ghacks.net/2009/06/21/web-browser-memory-usage-benchmark-gets-it-all-wrong/ 19:30:24 <Webster> Title: Web Browser Memory Usage Benchmark Gets It All Wrong (at www.ghacks.net) 19:34:41 <yorick> about:robots :) 19:52:54 <andythenorth_> yay forums 19:59:42 <andythenorth_> GPL...if I recreate something from TTD original, then modify it, how wrong on a scale of 0-10 19:59:42 <andythenorth_> ? 20:07:38 <FooBar_> andythenorth_: 8, with 10 being worst 20:08:51 <FooBar_> tt-forums is back! 20:09:36 <FooBar_> the downside is that there aren't much replies... 20:10:21 * FooBar_ expects dalestan explaining about much and many... 20:42:25 <andythenorth_> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=36&t=41607&p=801324#p801324 20:42:27 <Webster> Title: Transport Tycoon Forums View topic - FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Development (at www.tt-forums.net) 20:42:54 <Ammler> tt-forums up again? 20:43:38 <FooBar_> yes, for an hour now I think 20:44:18 <Ammler> andythenorth_: I agree with you 20:44:24 <Ammler> Firefox sucks 20:44:32 <Ammler> specially the certificate management 20:44:58 <FooBar_> yes, that sucks indeed. I coudn't find where to manage exceptions 20:45:02 <Ammler> you need to push around 20 times until you can visit a page with selfsigned certs 20:45:15 <Ammler> you can't 20:45:18 <Ammler> I asked 20:45:20 <FooBar_> And any gui is a bad gui if I need to RTFM to find what I'm looking for... 20:45:36 <FooBar_> oh, nevermind the gui then :P 20:46:12 <Ammler> well, I asked at #firefox, how to workaround the bug 20:46:18 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 159: Change: updated graphics for foundry.psd @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/firs/repository/revisions/159 (by andythenorth) 20:46:18 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Bug #313: special industry flags @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/313 (by foobar) 20:46:21 <Ammler> they sad, it isn't a bug ;-) 20:46:41 <FooBar_> I mostly use IE and Fx at the same time ever since I started using IRC. I'm still undecided which one is better. 20:47:12 <FooBar_> Fx still hasn't offered to update to 3.5, which I find a bit odd... 20:47:40 <FooBar_> Maybe they consider it an /upgrade/ rather than an /update/, but then I don't agree with the versioning scheme... 20:48:39 <Ammler> meh, I am already at 3.5 20:48:51 <Ammler> and now, some nice plugins don't work anymore :-( 20:49:07 <Ammler> I would like to use opera 20:49:24 <Ammler> but I need this damns gmail 20:50:56 <yorick> Ammler: I'm already at 20090706042748 ;) 20:50:59 <FooBar_> did it offer you 3.5 or did you download that yourself? 20:51:17 <Ammler> no to both :-) 20:51:23 <Ammler> FooBar_: I use linux :P 20:51:32 <FooBar_> oh nevermind then... 20:51:37 <Ammler> zypper up and my system is up2date 20:51:39 <Ammler> not just the os 20:51:59 <FooBar_> then /it/ didn't offer the update, but your package manager did :P 20:52:16 <Ammler> yep 20:52:42 <Ammler> ff can't update itslef 20:52:45 <Ammler> no access 21:00:56 <Beardie> yorick you there? 21:01:05 <yorick> I am 21:01:12 <Beardie> my token didn'y come up invalid thank god 21:01:22 <Beardie> pulsed fine hehe 21:01:50 <yorick> heh 21:02:12 <Beardie> had myself worried though 21:02:27 <yorick> no, I had you worried ;) 21:02:46 <Beardie> yeah more true 21:03:19 <Beardie> bacjk tp plusing every 5,000 keys 21:03:23 <Beardie> back to* 21:03:36 <yorick> hah, my avkps is still higher! 21:06:10 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Feature #298: parameters @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/298#change-664 (by andythenorth) 21:10:29 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: OpenGFX - Feature #96: Sprites 4462:4465 (4) - Arctic church @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/96#change-665 (by Gen.Sniper) 21:20:08 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: OpenGFX - Feature #96: Sprites 4462:4465 (4) - Arctic church @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/96#change-666 (by Ammler) 21:25:42 *** yorick has quit IRC 21:30:49 *** Mark has quit IRC 21:37:00 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: OpenGFX - Feature #96: Sprites 4462:4465 (4) - Arctic church @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/96#change-667 (by Ammler) 21:49:56 *** andythenorth_ has quit IRC 21:50:17 *** Beardie has quit IRC 21:59:18 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: World Airliners Set - Revision 283: Updated 00header added capital letters to the title of GRF @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/worldairlineset/repository/revisions/283 (by Beardie27) 22:04:03 <Brot6> firs: Backup push to ssh://hg@bitbucket.org/firs/firs/ initiated. 22:04:10 <Brot6> heqs: Backup push to ssh://hg@bitbucket.org/firs/heqs/ initiated. 22:18:42 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 160: Feature: Glass Works @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/firs/repository/revisions/160 (by foobar) 22:32:17 <FooBar_> I added an ugly firs-nightly-r160M.zip to the nightly repo. Just so you know: I couldn't be bothered to hg up tip just because of an uncommitted change in makefile.config... 22:33:35 <FooBar_> anyways, goodnight all! 22:49:33 <Ammler> good night FooBar_ 22:49:46 <Ammler> :-)