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Log for #openttdcoop.devzone on 28th August 2009:
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01:33:37  <Brot6> Backup done! (Usage: 96M)
01:33:37  <Brot6> Don't SANFORIZE me!!
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08:54:40  <planetmaker> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=813594#p813594 <--- :-(
08:54:41  <Webster> Title: Transport Tycoon Forums View topic - Total Bridge Renewal Set: version 1.12 (at www.tt-forums.net)
08:54:56  <planetmaker> I guess I'll have to drop my support of the 2cctrainset after the next bug fix release
08:55:15  <planetmaker> I'm not willing to put my work into a project where others cannot profit from MY work unless they ask Purno for permission.
08:58:15  <Chris_Booth> i hate new grfs when they dont work
09:01:09  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: 2cc train set - Feature #527: License for versions beyond 1.0.2 @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/527 (by planetmaker)
09:05:21  <planetmaker> I guess those two statements can be considered completely unrelated, can they?
09:13:18  <Doorslammer> Bloody Purno
09:14:50  <Ammler> planetmaker: something we have learned thanks to Purno
09:15:06  <Ammler> recommend GPL quite early for new projects :-)
09:16:38  * Doorslammer wonder what he smokes over in the Netherlands...
09:18:02  <planetmaker> it's got nothing to do with smoking something
09:18:20  <planetmaker> I understand what he wants. But I don't think he draws the correct conclusions.
09:19:03  <planetmaker> nor does he IMO understand the implications in the global perspective
09:20:21  <Doorslammer> I imagine he will in the foreseeable future?
09:22:12  <planetmaker> I don't
09:22:32  <Doorslammer> I bet he will when support is dropped
09:22:39  <planetmaker> I don't :-P
09:22:48  <planetmaker> And DJN still continues with his set(s).
09:23:00  <planetmaker> If he would do so on the same claim. Then maybe.
09:23:13  <planetmaker> As DJN is THE coder here. Not me.
09:23:33  <Doorslammer> Fair point
09:24:51  <planetmaker> I only fixed some bits and pieces due to so far limited NFO understanding
09:25:04  <planetmaker> though translations and stuff are also something :-)
09:51:30  <Ammler> planetmaker: sent "him" a little pm
09:52:13  <Ammler> if the answer won't be somehow helpful, I will quit my support for Purno, either.
09:59:27  <Ammler> he :-)
10:03:09  <Ammler> Purno would accept GPL with no commercial clause.
10:03:28  <Ammler> now, that is something, I might be able to get rid of, too.
10:04:44  <Rubidium> GPL with no commercial clause == no GPL
10:07:16  <Rubidium> one of GPL fundaments is that is can be used for everything, no exceptions
10:08:59  <Ammler> well, I am happy to get rid of ND, my next pm now will get rid of NC ;-)
10:59:37  <Ammler> ok, 3rd pm, we get closer... :-)
11:03:33  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: 2cc train set - Feature #527: License for versions beyond 1.0.2 @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/527#change-1313 (by Ammler)
11:33:39  <planetmaker> Ammler, could I put one non-OpenTTD related project onto the devzone?
11:33:59  <planetmaker> For my other gaming fancy?
11:35:57  <planetmaker> Hm... well, I think it shouldn't show on the project list. So not on devzone, but a repo on the server w/o interface :-)
11:36:46  <Ammler> planetmaker: GPL?
11:36:51  <Ammler> :-)
11:37:07  <planetmaker> yes, sure. Or I wouldn't ask :-)
11:37:24  <Ammler> well, I don't mind.
11:38:33  <Ammler> and I see no issue to use Redmine for.
11:42:48  <Ammler> planetmaker: if you wan't, you can use planetmaker.ammler.ch
11:51:53  <planetmaker> Well. It wouldn't fit the other projects.
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11:52:19  <planetmaker> I'm not the main author, but I asked him whether he has a repo. But he's lacking a server, but would be willing in principle.
11:52:29  <planetmaker> But I like to check with you in advance.
11:53:42  <Ammler> planetmaker: else bitbucket.org is a good place for such things.
11:53:55  <planetmaker> indeed.
11:54:03  <planetmaker> Didn't think of it.
11:54:15  <planetmaker> I'll propose that also to him.
11:54:26  <planetmaker> Though in principle he might even be aware of. Dunno...
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13:26:17  <Ammler> Purno: "Ok, you know, I think it's time for me to change to the GPL license. I guess I'll have to do what's best for the community, as that is what I made the graphics for."
13:26:50  <planetmaker> via forums mail?!
13:26:56  <planetmaker> that's totally unexpected.
13:27:01  <planetmaker> but great
13:27:19  <Ammler> Hehe, I had some PM's with him.
13:27:26  <planetmaker> :-)
13:27:29  * planetmaker hugs Ammler 
13:27:31  <Ammler> you got the initial one.
13:27:38  <planetmaker> yup. I read that
13:28:15  <Ammler> now, he asked, how to change his contributions to GPL the easiert.
13:29:17  <Ammler> I will recommend him to make a note to his signature like DanMacK
13:32:37  <planetmaker> :-)
13:32:45  <planetmaker> I think that will suffice.
13:33:03  <planetmaker> or he could post in the tt-forums threads related to that topic.
13:33:30  <planetmaker> of the individual newgfs. Particularily tbrs, metro, 2cctrainset, dutchset, ... whatever :-)
13:34:13  <Ammler> yes, I forwarded you another PM
13:36:29  <planetmaker> hm... :-)
13:36:43  <planetmaker> you're Swiss. You're the better diplomat :-)
13:47:42  <Doorslammer> He has the wussier knife though
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15:04:33  <planetmaker> Let's acknowledge it and add at least a make fix to tbrs
15:05:13  <planetmaker> and you know what sucks: the new OSX is either bundled with expensive stuff I don't need or only an upgrade not usable by me :-(
15:05:49  <Ammler> why is the upgrade not useable?
15:06:37  <Webster> Latest update from trac: Revision 732: Fix: Silence erronous warnings about too high IDs (used in OpenTTD) <http://trac.openttdcoop.org/changeset/732/>
15:09:16  <Ammler> planetmaker: let us move TBRS to HG
15:09:47  <planetmaker> ok
15:09:55  <planetmaker> I just run hg init here and we're done :-)
15:10:02  <Ammler> no
15:10:07  <Ammler> I would like to keep the history
15:10:14  <planetmaker> oh, ok
15:10:16  <Rubidium> svn2hg ;)
15:10:19  <planetmaker> makes sense
15:10:23  <Ammler> hg convert :-)
15:10:33  <Ammler> it is installed on the server
15:11:00  <Ammler> I convert it to hg@openttdcoop.org
15:11:40  <Ammler> hmm, with or without the (svn prefix)?
15:13:39  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: Total Bridge Replacement Set - Revision 732: Fix: Silence erronous warnings about too high IDs (u... @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/tbrs/repository/revisions/732 (by planetmaker)
15:13:58  <planetmaker> hm, prefix?
15:14:20  <Ammler> like openttd does
15:15:38  <Ammler> http://mz.openttdcoop.org/hg/total_bridges/
15:16:33  <Ammler> oh, it does also create a branch for
15:16:45  <Ammler> I guess, I need to disable that.
15:20:45  <planetmaker> hm... I guess I can buy the 30€ version nevertheless from what I read.
15:20:50  <planetmaker> And I install on a clean HD anyway
15:21:08  <planetmaker> Upgrading OS is only asking for trouble. Always. Irrespective of OS type ;-)
15:21:18  <planetmaker> and HD don't cost shit anymore
15:22:12  <Rubidium> hmm, I never had any real trouble upgrading Debian (except for some packager mess ups, but that's more because I'm using Debian Unstable)
15:23:47  <planetmaker> Well. Usually I update production systems. I consider both, my laptop and my workplace computer those
15:23:56  <planetmaker> and then the save way is to just use a new HD for that
15:24:11  <planetmaker> it also makes sure you can w/o any trouble go back, if anything goes wrong
15:25:12  <planetmaker> it's basically my "better play it save than sorry" for system updates
15:25:49  <Ammler> upgrade is just license issue, can't you make new installation with?
15:26:13  <planetmaker> one should be and webpages say one can.
15:47:43  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: World Airliners Set - Feature #528: Add liveries for planes we already have coded. @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/528 (by FaddyPainter)
16:18:02  <Brot6> 2cctrainset: nightly compile not needed. (r267)
16:18:03  <Brot6> firs: nightly compile not needed. (r213)
16:18:03  <Brot6> fish: nightly compile not needed. (r65)
16:18:03  <Brot6> heqs: nightly compile not needed. (r169)
16:18:03  <Brot6> opengfx: nightly compile not needed. (r200)
16:18:04  <Brot6> opensfx: nightly compile not needed. (r41)
16:18:04  <Brot6> worldairlineset: update from r519 to r520, starting nightly compile
16:18:53  <Brot6> worldairlineset: compile done (0 errors) - http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/worldairlineset/nightlies/
16:19:07  <planetmaker> nice. no errors in WAS anymore :-)
16:19:12  <planetmaker> we're getting better
16:22:07  <Ammler> well, I wouldn't bet there
16:22:26  <Ammler> I fear, they use some sprite sets which have replaced pure white everywhere.
16:31:26  <planetmaker> maybe
16:31:36  <planetmaker> Ammler: did you convert tbrs to hg now?
16:31:47  <Ammler> not proper
16:31:51  <planetmaker> hm
16:32:07  <Ammler> It somehow does use the directory as branch
16:32:20  <Ammler> and I had to make the logic train :-)
16:32:39  <planetmaker> hm?
16:32:59  <planetmaker> fast, but not too fast for prozone?
16:34:28  <Ammler> it is configurable
16:38:57  <planetmaker> ah
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16:45:16  <Ammler> DJNekkid: http://pastebin.ca/1545968 <-- help me :-)
16:45:23  <DJNekkid>                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      ok
16:45:28  <Ammler> oh, and hello :-P
16:45:28  <DJNekkid> ehm,
16:45:29  <DJNekkid> ok
16:45:29  <DJNekkid>  :)
16:45:42  <DJNekkid> well, what are you trying to do?
16:45:51  <Ammler> the train is already at bananas
16:46:04  <DJNekkid> 	00 00 00		// date of introduction
16:46:05  <Ammler> I just would like to get rid of those warnings.
16:46:06  <DJNekkid> wrong!
16:46:19  <DJNekkid> or ... perhaps not
16:46:25  <DJNekkid> just not how i do it :p
16:47:33  <Ammler> hmm, maybe
16:48:57  <DJNekkid> speed is not a doubleword
16:49:34  <DJNekkid> http://pastebin.ca/1545979
16:49:38  <DJNekkid> _Should_ work
16:50:23  <DJNekkid> and year can rather be:
16:50:24  <DJNekkid> 00 \w1995-01-01 // Intro year \wyyyy-mm-dd
17:00:05  <DJNekkid> Ammler ... did u die?
17:02:27  <planetmaker> Ammler: I'd use as DJN sais^^ 00 \wYYYY-MM-DD
17:02:50  <planetmaker> use that as actually 00 \w1920-01-01 and then use 2A to re-define
17:02:59  <DJNekkid> exactly
17:03:36  <DJNekkid> and, it should have a callback 1D to itself
17:03:45  <DJNekkid> ("cannot attach")
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17:05:32  <DJNekkid> it do however require some kind of gfx, and action0 property 12 FD
17:06:55  <DJNekkid> http://paste.openttd.org/210976
17:08:50  <DJNekkid> planetmaker: check bug #527
17:08:53  <DJNekkid> http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/527
17:10:59  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: 2cc train set - Feature #527: License for versions beyond 1.0.2 @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/527#change-1314 (by DJNekkid)
17:11:52  <Rubidium> copyright has nothing to do with licensing
17:13:30  <planetmaker> I think Ammler had a chat with him. Let's see what came from that :-)
17:20:59  <Frankr> Guys
17:21:06  <Rubidium> Gals?
17:21:10  <Frankr> :)
17:21:39  <Frankr> do you know wat the action colour for the every container has a different colour is
17:21:54  <Frankr> if tha makes sense
17:22:09  <planetmaker> uh, Frankr ?
17:22:25  <Frankr> Well mega has asked me this
17:22:33  <Frankr> and frank i need to know something: in long vehics when buying the FH16 with container platform: every container has another colour: what is the action colour for this funktion?
17:22:36  <planetmaker> you can use company colours for that
17:22:52  <Rubidium> action2 + random?
17:22:55  <planetmaker> and use probably a random company
17:23:52  <Rubidium> I'd go for http://wiki.ttdpatch.net/tiki-index.php?page=Callbacks#Select_colour_mapping_for_vehicle_2D_
17:23:59  <planetmaker> Ammler: objections to still commit to svn?
17:24:57  <Frankr> ok ty Rubidium
17:25:58  <Rubidium> together with random bits of the vehicle that you can get via varaction2
17:27:15  <Frankr> Do you lot know what the brown action colour does?
17:28:08  <Rubidium> what's the palette index?
17:29:02  <Rubidium> though it's probably the one for fizzy drinks
17:29:07  <planetmaker> it's labeled "block cycles" on my palette
17:29:29  <Frankr> yh
17:30:23  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: Total Bridge Replacement Set - Bug #290: nforenum errors on many sprites @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/290#change-1315 (by planetmaker)
17:44:08  <Webster> Latest update from trac: Revision 733: Fix: Silence all white pixel warnings <http://trac.openttdcoop.org/changeset/733/>
18:13:12  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: Total Bridge Replacement Set - Revision 733: Fix: Silence all white pixel warnings @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/tbrs/repository/revisions/733 (by planetmaker)
19:37:13  <planetmaker> FooBar: what about making a first alpha release of FIRS on bananas?
19:37:31  <planetmaker> I'd like to create a scenario with Swedish houses, FIRS and 2ccTrainSet :-)
19:37:39  <planetmaker> for the PublicServer
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19:44:00  <DJNekkid> are the swehouses a devzone project?
19:47:16  <planetmaker> nope. They don't like it
19:47:21  <planetmaker> or at least the coder
19:47:34  <planetmaker> too public
19:47:40  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Bug #529: Aluminum plants in 1890 @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/529 (by planetmaker)
19:47:40  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Feature #530: Snowy versions of the industries @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/530 (by planetmaker)
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20:17:35  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: OpenGFX - Feature #531: 32bpp: OPEN TTD title fonts @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/531 (by athanasios)
20:40:26  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: OpenGFX - Bug #532: 32bpp @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/532 (by athanasios)
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21:12:28  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: FISH - Revision 66: Change: fixed Coaster offsets, fixed buy menu for all ships, improved Large R... @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/fish/repository/revisions/66 (by andythenorth)
21:24:16  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Feature #530: Snowy versions of the industries @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/530#change-1317 (by planetmaker)
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22:02:23  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Feature #533: Winter sprites for the sandpit @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/533 (by planetmaker)
22:03:46  <planetmaker> http://dev.openttdcoop.org/attachments/377/Sintburg_Transport__01-11-1891.png <-- my first OpenTTD artwork ;-)
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