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Log for #openttdcoop.devzone on 5th September 2009:
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01:14:32  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: Redmine - Revision 2704: (svn r2855) Reset the default language for the test, autotest was caught... @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/redmine/repository/revisions/2704 (by edavis10)
01:14:32  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: Redmine - Revision 2705: (svn r2856) Changing l10n messages (fixes #3807) @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/redmine/repository/revisions/2705 (by winterheart)
01:31:55  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: UK Bus Set - Support #552: Bus template @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/552#change-1351 (by welshdragon)
01:33:37  <Brot6> Backup done! (Usage: 98M)
01:33:37  <Brot6> Everybody is going somewhere!! It's probably a garage sale or a disaster Movie!!
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10:00:20  <andythenorth> FISH and ships, FISH and ships....
10:00:27  <andythenorth> in RL boats are generally a bit slow.
10:00:45  <andythenorth> Is it massively wrong to tweak the speeds up by a couple of knots?
10:01:50  <welshdragon> in RL a sailing clipper can be quite fast
10:02:47  <andythenorth> I'm thinking diesel-powered cargo ships / river boats
10:03:00  <welshdragon> hm
10:03:07  <welshdragon> they are slow
10:03:28  <welshdragon> river boast have a maximum permitted speed of 5 knots
10:03:32  <andythenorth> about 12 knots for a typical coaster, 10 knots for a typical barge
10:04:08  <andythenorth> so 11-14mpg
10:04:10  <andythenorth> oops
10:04:13  <andythenorth> 11-14mph
10:04:26  <andythenorth> MB used 21-25mph in new ships
10:04:58  <welshdragon> andythenorth: 12?
10:05:14  <welshdragon> i was sure that river boats are limited to 5 knots
10:05:43  <andythenorth> limited maybe, but capable of about 10 knots in open water
10:05:44  <welshdragon> but yeah, double the speed?
10:06:04  <andythenorth> I am thinking around 18mph for most boats
10:06:15  <andythenorth> If used with FIRS, the cargo rates for bulk cargo are pretty flat
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10:22:12  <Ammler> andythenorth: you should make the ships realstic to the game, not to real world. If you get what I mean. ;-)
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11:54:21  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: World Airliners Set - Feature #528: Add liveries for planes we already have coded. @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/528#change-1352 (by FaddyPainter)
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12:00:27  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: #openttdcoop - Wiki edit: Welcome (#21) @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/16/wiki/Welcome?version=21 (by planetmaker)
12:00:27  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: World Airliners Set - Feature #545 (Assigned): Ekranoplan? @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/545#change-1340 (by simozzz_AK)
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12:50:54  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: FISH - Revision 93: Change: set Coaster speed to 19mph @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/fish/repository/revisions/93 (by andythenorth)
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14:23:44  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: World Airliners Set - Bug #553: Change Header @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/553 (by Frank)
14:32:03  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: UK Bus Set - Support #552 (Assigned): Bus template @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/552#change-1354 (by welshdragon)
15:56:18  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: UK Bus Set - Support #554: Multiple Liveries, Different engine and Body Types @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/554 (by welshdragon)
16:18:01  <Brot6> 2cctrainset: nightly compile not needed. (r267)
16:18:02  <Brot6> firs: nightly compile not needed. (r217)
16:18:02  <Brot6> fish: update from r90 to r93, starting nightly compile
16:18:20  <Brot6> fish: compile done (3 errors) - http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/fish/nightlies/
16:18:21  <Brot6> heqs: nightly compile not needed. (r169)
16:18:21  <Brot6> opengfx: nightly compile not needed. (r200)
16:18:21  <Brot6> opensfx: nightly compile not needed. (r41)
16:18:22  <Brot6> worldairlineset: nightly compile not needed. (r532)
16:27:38  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: FISH - Revision 94: Change: correct offsets for Small Coaster (thought I did that already, but ap... @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/fish/repository/revisions/94 (by andythenorth)
16:27:38  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: FISH - Revision 95: Add: pnfo file for Traders @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/fish/repository/revisions/95 (by andythenorth)
16:31:54  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: FISH - Revision 96: Change: correct offsets for Island Trader @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/fish/repository/revisions/96 (by andythenorth)
16:32:28  <DJNekkid> hey andy... did i figure out how to do bigger/smaller capacity?
16:32:54  <DJNekkid> btw Ammler; could you post the code for the logic engine?
16:33:18  <andythenorth> DJNekkid: not yet.  I've got enough tips, but no working code.  I'm doing costs at the moment instead.
16:33:56  <DJNekkid> you see, i think i might have an idea
16:34:22  <Ammler> DJNekkid: http://trac.openttdcoop.org/browser/grfdev/logic/makegrf
16:34:59  <andythenorth> DJNekkid: frosch has given me a solution
16:35:14  <DJNekkid> rly?
16:35:57  <andythenorth> in the #openttd logs from earlier today
16:39:03  <Ammler> andythenorth: why do you post the grf on tt-forumst all the time?
16:39:10  <Ammler> you could just link to the nightlies
17:53:19  <andythenorth> Ammler: ^^ I can see the download counts on the forums
17:53:34  <Ammler> http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/log.csv
17:53:59  <andythenorth> planetmaker: is there a way to comment in a pnfo file?
17:54:09  <Ammler> andythenorth: use //
17:54:16  <Ammler> and -C in gcc
17:54:40  <Ammler> shall I update your makefile that way?
17:55:09  <andythenorth> let me explain my use case first...
17:55:40  <Ammler> we had to do that in the other projects, like ogfx, 2cc and firs, too.
17:56:02  <andythenorth> I have fish.pnfo which specifies the other pnfo files to use to build the grf.  I want to comment some lines to do a release of only the finished ships
17:56:31  <Ammler> oh, you wan't to comment something out for gcc itself?
17:56:40  <Ammler> afaik "#"
17:57:05  <andythenorth> Ammler: Makefile:97: *** multiple target patterns.  Stop.
17:57:23  <andythenorth> http://paste.openttd.org/216743
17:58:11  <Ammler> hmm, that isn't preprocessor file
17:58:28  <Ammler> why does it have extension pnfo?
17:58:39  <andythenorth> dunno, I just used what planetmaker helped me setup
17:58:45  <Ammler> that looks more like hnfo :-)
17:58:59  <Ammler> (or whatever)
17:59:19  <andythenorth> well if there's no easy answer I'll just delete the lines
18:03:04  <Ammler> yes, and revert it after
18:03:35  <Ammler> I consider that as fault of planetmaker, need to ask him about.
18:04:05  <Ammler> if you include something in the gcc way, it should be something like #include <file>
18:05:23  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: FISH - Revision 97: Change: correct buy, running, speed, life properties for Coasters, River Boat... @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/fish/repository/revisions/97 (by andythenorth)
18:05:23  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: FISH - Revision 98: Change: hide lots of ships by climate or remove from fish.pnfo file @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/fish/repository/revisions/98 (by andythenorth)
18:05:27  <Ammler> but he could add another sed like d/^#" to fish.
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20:57:25  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: UK Bus Set - Support #552: Bus template @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/552#change-1356 (by jonty-comp)
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21:15:49  <jonty-comp> boo
21:16:00  * jonty-comp is following the SSH setup thing on yonder website
21:16:11  <jonty-comp> for I am now the developer of the UK Bus Set!
21:18:45  <Ammler> jonty-comp: do you like to use the newgrf framework from pm?
21:19:03  <jonty-comp> well, I'm just sorting out these key things
21:19:19  <jonty-comp> I'm alright with hg and that, so whatever suits you
21:19:31  <Ammler> no whatever suits you :-)
21:19:46  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: UK Bus Set - jonty-comp.public_key.txt @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/attachments/download/387/jonty-comp.public_key.txt (by jonty-comp)
21:19:52  * jonty-comp has a a key already, but it's an SSH2-DSA one, rather than the SSH2-RSA the website suggests
21:19:55  <jonty-comp> oh, it's that
21:19:57  <jonty-comp> :O
21:20:47  <Ammler> dsa is fine, I use that too.
21:20:53  <jonty-comp> great
21:20:58  <Ammler> isn't that dss?
21:21:06  <jonty-comp> oh, yes
21:21:08  <jonty-comp> ha
21:21:12  <Ammler> well, nvm :-)
21:21:14  <jonty-comp> I always mix these things up
21:21:19  <jonty-comp> I've had that key for years anyway
21:21:50  <jonty-comp> it says "dsa-key-20071229" in my putty comment anyway :p
21:21:57  <Ammler> I will install your key, but there is no repo for the set. yet.
21:22:29  <Ammler> shall I setup a blank repo and you prepare it self?
21:24:07  <jonty-comp> well
21:24:28  <jonty-comp> I say I've used hg, I've never actually committed to one before, but I've still used lots :p
21:24:45  <Ammler> well, push is like pull :-)
21:24:53  <jonty-comp> useful
21:25:04  <jonty-comp> it's not too hard to work out anyway
21:25:25  <Ammler> yep, there is a quickquide on our wiki
21:25:31  <jonty-comp> excellent
21:25:52  <jonty-comp> I'll prepare it then, it will let me learn how to use it more properly!
21:26:18  <Ammler> or I initiate a blank repo then.
21:29:24  <Ammler> ok, your repo is there
21:30:00  <jonty-comp> ssh://ottdc@mz.openttdcoop.org/hg-repos/ukbusset ?
21:30:07  <Ammler> exactly
21:30:12  <jonty-comp> excellent
21:31:04  <jonty-comp> oh, it says "no supported authentication methods available"
21:31:37  <Ammler> http://mz.openttdcoop.org/hg/newgrf_makefile/archive/tip.zip <-- the newgrf framework from pm
21:33:57  <Ammler> if you don't have any code experience, I highly recommed using it, together with djnekkids template
21:35:01  <jonty-comp> I'll restart in a minute, then see if the tortoisehg will clone
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22:36:51  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: UK Bus Set - Wiki edit: Wiki (#1) @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/48/wiki/Wiki?version=1 (by welshdragon)
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23:56:10  <Frankr> welshdragon: some problem?
23:57:05  <welshdragon> i was wondering if the uk bus set could use a similar graphics style to the FISH set, but andythenorth has gone...

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