Log for #openttdcoop.devzone on 4th December 2009:
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02:11:28  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: Redmine - Revision 2961: Add a second action menu to IssuesController#show. (#4331) @ (by edavis10)
02:11:28  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: Redmine - Revision 2962: Fixed: News from a project with 'news' module disabled, are still diplay... @ (by jplang)
02:11:28  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: Redmine - Revision 2963: Do not notify users that are no longer allowed to view an issue (#3589, ... @ (by jplang)
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06:36:38  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: OpenGFX - Revision 239: Feature: Swedish description of this set (Thanks to Zuu) @ (by planetmaker)
07:04:10  <Brot6> opengfx: Backup push to ssh:// initiated.
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10:01:08  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: OpenGFX - Bug #663 (New): Animated palette colours in Arctic church @ (by zephyris)
10:08:53  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: OpenGFX - Bug #664 (New): Corrupted palette in temperate church @ (by zephyris)
10:08:53  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: OpenGFX - Bug #664: Corrupted palette in temperate church @ (by zephyris)
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17:18:02  <Brot6> 2cctrainset: nightly compile not needed. (r381)
17:18:03  <Brot6> bros: nightly compile not needed. (r10)
17:18:03  <Brot6> comic_houses: nightly compile not needed. (r65)
17:18:04  <Brot6> firs: nightly compile not needed. (r366)
17:18:04  <Brot6> fish: nightly compile not needed. (r195)
17:18:04  <Brot6> heqs: nightly compile not needed. (r169)
17:18:05  <Brot6> nmts: nightly compile not needed. (r15)
17:18:06  <Brot6> opengfx: update from r238 to r239, starting nightly compile
17:19:22  <Brot6> opengfx: compile done (0 errors) -
17:19:22  <Brot6> opensfx: nightly compile not needed. (r49)
17:19:22  <Brot6> worldairlineset: nightly compile not needed. (r584)
17:51:32  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: Infrastructure Sharing - Revision 14223: Merge: trunk up to r18391. @ (by Hirundo)
17:51:32  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: Infrastructure Sharing - Revision 14224: [IS] Fix: Add includes so everything compiles again. @ (by Hirundo)
17:51:32  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: Infrastructure Sharing - Revision 14225: [IS] Fix: Apply changes to npf/yapf to the new (moved) f... @ (by Hirundo)
17:51:33  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: Infrastructure Sharing - Revision 14226: [IS] Fix: Remove files that lingered around in their old... @ (by Hirundo)
17:51:37  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: Infrastructure Sharing - Revision 14227: [IS] Fix: Remove erroneous space. @ (by Hirundo)
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18:07:05  <DJNekkid> hi guy(s)! :)
18:07:20  <DJNekkid> long time no co... no see! :)
18:08:08  <planetmaker> hey DJNekkid :-)
18:08:23  <DJNekkid> how is stuff? :)
18:08:36  <planetmaker> good, good :-)
18:08:46  <planetmaker> Finally I understand NFO :-)
18:09:02  <DJNekkid> congratulations :)
18:09:20  <DJNekkid> finally it all seems so easy? :)
18:09:30  <planetmaker> yep, kinda
18:09:53  <DJNekkid> i know the feeling...
18:09:54  <planetmaker> all it needed doing was starting my own set :-P
18:10:01  <DJNekkid> hehehehe!
18:10:03  <DJNekkid> yup!
18:10:14  <DJNekkid> where do you think my understanding came from?
18:10:19  <DJNekkid> the 2cc set...
18:10:29  <DJNekkid> i had NO CLUE whatsoever when i started it
18:10:35  <planetmaker> hehe :-)
18:10:41  <DJNekkid> but i thought the idea were great, and i didnt give up
18:10:49  <planetmaker> I had a bit... thanks to you and 2cc.
18:11:17  <planetmaker> But now it works also much better in most areas.
18:11:19  <DJNekkid> you had a clue, but not the great breakthru lead that solved the case :)
18:11:41  <planetmaker> Of course I don't know things by heart... but it's all something which can be understood. Finally 1/2/3 is understood ;-)
18:12:08  <planetmaker> the rest is nearly trivia ;-).
18:12:10  <DJNekkid> thats a start :)
18:12:12  <planetmaker> well... maybe 7/9
18:12:34  <DJNekkid> 7 and 9 i dont completely have the hang of myself...
18:12:50  <DJNekkid> its more in the field of "barely work" :)
18:13:10  <planetmaker> and I improved on the makefile system even more :-)
18:13:37  <DJNekkid> but the (most) imporant things is within VarAction 2's (and callbacks)
18:14:09  <planetmaker> I don't use callbacks so far. But yeah. varaction2 :-)
18:14:17  <planetmaker> <-- my "main" file
18:14:39  <DJNekkid> your '.xls' ? :)
18:14:42  <planetmaker> the rest is headers and scripts and templates :-)
18:14:50  <planetmaker> yes, my xls. But it is read directly
18:15:06  <DJNekkid> but it cant calculate stuff i assume
18:15:18  <planetmaker> it's a simple text file for sure, yes
18:15:57  <DJNekkid> but you dont have to calculate running costs etc :)
18:16:07  <planetmaker> indeed
18:16:28  <planetmaker> though... that could be scripted. Awk can do calculations ;-)
18:16:44  <DJNekkid> feel free
18:16:54  <DJNekkid> and im happy to go over to some text format
18:17:42  <DJNekkid> so ...
18:17:44  <planetmaker> <-- the action0 generation script, parsing that file
18:18:01  <planetmaker> fed into awk - which you also should have, if you have mingw.
18:18:44  <planetmaker> The problem is: it's not a 1h change, if I want to apply that to the 2cc set ... :S
18:18:59  <DJNekkid> so you are in reality 'programming' it, not codeing it, so to speak :)
18:19:07  <planetmaker> kinda, yes
18:19:27  <planetmaker> well... I input the list - and have that script write the action0s.
18:19:33  <planetmaker> from the input of that list
18:19:39  <DJNekkid> yea
18:19:50  <planetmaker> same with english language and the StringIDs.
18:20:11  <planetmaker> But it makes it dead easy to add stuff. Just add another line and done ;-)
18:20:17  <Brot6> is2: new trunk patch:
18:20:22  <DJNekkid> so ... planning a complete 'comic style' set?
18:20:23  <planetmaker> I just specify the template type... voila.
18:20:30  <planetmaker> Just houses so far.
18:20:54  <DJNekkid> would be cool to do a landscape and trees too
18:20:56  <DJNekkid> and roads
18:21:04  <planetmaker> yes, indeed.
18:21:06  <DJNekkid> atleast roads
18:21:25  <planetmaker> there's one guy from the German community who wants to tackle that. At least concerning the road sprites
18:21:35  <DJNekkid> cool :)
18:21:41  <DJNekkid> make sure you include trams as well
18:22:00  <planetmaker> hm... that's an overlay sprite afaik.
18:22:10  <DJNekkid> it may be...
18:22:27  <DJNekkid> im not sure tbh
18:22:28  <planetmaker> so... replacing roads with actionA might suffice.
18:22:34  <DJNekkid> probably
18:23:08  <planetmaker> but even that's A LOT of sprites
18:23:22  <planetmaker> I wished there were ground and infrastructure tiles separate sprites...
18:23:48  <DJNekkid> yea...
18:23:59  <planetmaker> so that there need not be also separate ones for level crossings etc pp
18:24:08  <planetmaker> would enhance set compatibility also A LOT
18:24:16  <planetmaker> also concerning bridges
18:24:29  <planetmaker> You'd just need the bridge sprite - not the tracks and roads which are on it.
18:25:02  <planetmaker> Anyway, what are your plans: wrapping up 2cc?
18:25:15  <DJNekkid> it would be an awsome X-Mas present
18:25:20  <planetmaker> :-)
18:25:26  <planetmaker> indeed
18:25:47  <DJNekkid> not 100% sure whats left...
18:25:55  <DJNekkid> _basicly_ wagons i think
18:26:04  <planetmaker> testing. Checking for inconsistencies and glitches
18:26:12  <DJNekkid> aye
18:26:14  <DJNekkid> i know of one
18:26:40  <planetmaker> we did that too little, I guess for the 1.0 release
18:27:02  <planetmaker> We could release 1.9 or so ;-)
18:27:22  <planetmaker> or 2.0-alpha.
18:27:37  <DJNekkid> 2.0 rc1? :)
18:27:48  <planetmaker> but then... there's always nightlies. We could just add a nightly... yeah. RC is good :-)
18:28:02  <planetmaker> But then it would have still need some more checks beforehand anyway
18:28:26  <planetmaker> Hm... did we change the GRFID? We did, or?
18:28:30  <DJNekkid> we did
18:28:32  <DJNekkid> 1 higher
18:28:57  <Ammler> no need for RC/Betas etc, if you have nightlies, imo :-)
18:29:13  <planetmaker> Good. We might just upload a nightly then to bananas...
18:29:29  <Ammler> yes, like I did once for FIRS
18:30:16  <DJNekkid> what 'we' _could_ do, is add the rest of all MU's (if any) and metros (there are some)
18:30:24  <DJNekkid> and make a "pax only 2.0"
18:30:35  <DJNekkid> (and remove all engines ofc)
18:30:43  <DJNekkid> optionally add all pax wagons
18:31:25  <Ammler> then you might call it preview or something like...
18:32:38  <Ammler> South Arfican People looks like they have a lot to eat...
18:33:17  <DJNekkid> btw, have you guys heard of "Tjosdolf Moland" and "Joshua French" and the whole "Kongo-case" ?
18:33:24  <DJNekkid> it that something forreign media follow?
18:33:38  <planetmaker> not really. Can you put me into context?
18:34:06  <Ammler> neither
18:34:54  <planetmaker> hmpf... I should cleanup my savegame dir.
18:35:03  <planetmaker> I get crashes way too often when I load a game ;-)
18:35:21  <Ammler> I cleanedup everything :-)
18:35:26  <Ammler> fresh install with suse 11.2
18:35:42  <DJNekkid> two norwegian ex-soldiers that were going to africa to ... well ... start some merchenary company ... then they _seem_ to have been set up by the Kongo (kongoose?) gouvernment, and they _apparently_ killed some driver...
18:35:59  <planetmaker> That doesn't mean "cleanup" for openttd dirs. They were copied 1:1 when I upgraded in September. 5GB of OpenTTD stuff...
18:36:10  <DJNekkid> 5GB?????????????????
18:36:15  <planetmaker> :-)
18:36:17  <Ammler> I didn't copy something
18:36:28  <Ammler> I just copy filebyfile what I need
18:37:16  <Ammler> currently I haven't a  openttd install anyway :-(
18:37:27  <planetmaker> :-(
18:37:30  <DJNekkid> no comments on the kongo-case?
18:37:33  <Ammler> just realized :-D
18:37:44  <Ammler> DJNekkid: nothing heard about...
18:38:16  <planetmaker> Dunno... I haven't heart about that either.
18:38:24  <Ammler> we have our own international issue right now ;-)
18:38:44  <DJNekkid> the "norwegians crushed the swiss team in football"-case? :P
18:39:02  <planetmaker> btw... 5.8GB is my OpenTTD dir. 470MB for the OpenTTD data dir. So 6.2GB ;-)
18:39:04  <Ammler> turkey and iran blame us for humanity :-P
18:39:29  <planetmaker> But each OpenTTD repository is already >=100MB
18:39:37  <DJNekkid> let me guess, the islam-pray-tower-case? :)
18:39:58  <DJNekkid> i dont remember their proper name
18:39:59  <planetmaker> My coop-svn is 800MB, the grfdev dir 400MB
18:40:05  <Ammler> minarette
18:40:10  <DJNekkid> yea
18:40:52  <planetmaker> oh... shave-off 1.1GB for the sources of gcc.
18:41:03  <planetmaker> (which I compiled for OpenTTD reasons only, though)
18:44:35  <DJNekkid> so ...
18:44:37  <DJNekkid> 2xx
18:44:38  <DJNekkid> 2cc
18:46:21  <planetmaker> concerning Kongo: sounds like the usual muscle games played...
19:04:07  <Brot6> is2: Backup push to ssh:// initiated.
19:04:58  <DJNekkid> the fun thing is, they are now in "medium court" ... (round two, the next is high court) ...
19:05:53  <DJNekkid> the the first round, norway were judged to pay kongo something like 3.500.000.000 (3500 million) Kroner ...
19:06:03  <DJNekkid> around 400.000.000 euros
19:06:29  <DJNekkid> afterwards they blamed some math error
19:07:09  <planetmaker> haha
19:07:39  <DJNekkid> the anual norwegian state budget is about 500.000.000.000 kr
19:07:41  <planetmaker> sounds a bit rediculous
19:08:08  <planetmaker> why should Norway pay anything at all? Or are they ambessadors?
19:08:13  <DJNekkid> nope
19:08:20  <DJNekkid> norway wont ever pay
19:08:24  <planetmaker> and were acting on an official mission. So then what?
19:08:45  <DJNekkid> nope, not even close
19:08:55  <DJNekkid> atleast so do the officials say
19:09:01  <DJNekkid> there are LOTS of wierd things in that case
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19:15:22  <planetmaker> he... I didn't update my clientspatches repo for LOOONG. 1000 changes since
19:15:42  <planetmaker> no. 8000 in 1000 files :-P
19:17:36  <DJNekkid> oh lord!
19:18:02  <planetmaker> indeed. It shows how big the source code of openttd is...
19:18:22  <LordAzamath> oh me
19:18:43  <planetmaker> <-- I need this patch, if I want to check my savegames ;-)
19:19:30  <DJNekkid> oh you! :P
19:20:07  <planetmaker> well. In my browser I can close tabs with ctrl+w. why not in OpenTTD (game=tab)?
19:20:16  <planetmaker> same functionality in many other programmes
19:20:45  <SmatZ> I don't understand it neither
19:20:56  <SmatZ> Ctrl+W would be such a nice shortcut for that
19:21:08  <planetmaker> it's in your power :-P
19:21:29  <LordAzamath> what does W stand for anyway?
19:21:37  <planetmaker> wech damit :-P
19:21:38  <LordAzamath> or just a handy letter
19:21:42  <SmatZ> :-D
19:21:54  <DJNekkid> Wlose!
19:22:06  <LordAzamath> like C is copy and x and v are just next to it :P
19:22:08  <planetmaker> probably: just missed q or something
19:22:21  <DJNekkid> or "Why would i like this tab up" :)
19:23:18  <Rubidium> planetmaker: but... isn't a sub-window in OpenTTD a window and thus shouldn't it close that?
19:23:44  <Rubidium> like e.g. the vehicle view gets closed by Ctrl+W
19:24:06  <planetmaker> Maybe :-)
19:24:39  <planetmaker> But I'm missing at least as often a "just quit this map" shortcut.
19:25:04  <planetmaker> the ingame windows... I open them and sticky those which I don't want closed
19:25:11  <LordAzamath> You know that shortcuts often lead to unexpected and long ways?
19:25:42  <LordAzamath> ;)
19:32:51  <planetmaker> hmpf. ogfx1_base.pcx is no pcx file. That sucks :-(
19:45:40  * planetmaker installs xv, seeing whether it has also problems with those pcx...
19:56:12  <planetmaker> grr.... grfcodec -d is broken on my mac :-(
19:56:49  <DJNekkid> "møkk"
19:57:21  <planetmaker> 32bit vs 64bit issue maybe?
19:59:04  <DJNekkid> point was ... Mac is almost pronociasted (or how its written) the same as the norwegian word for "shit"
19:59:07  <DJNekkid> "møkk"
19:59:39  <DJNekkid> btw
19:59:47  <DJNekkid> betaler for en 30/30 linje da=?
19:59:49  <DJNekkid> ehm
19:59:51  <DJNekkid> wrong chat
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20:24:50  <andythenorth> hi hi
20:24:57  <DJNekkid> hi andy
20:35:18  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: FISH - Revision 196: Change: fixed flashing red on Traders @ (by andythenorth)
20:43:03  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: FISH - Revision 197: Change: removed some unnecessary anti-aliasing from Traders @ (by andythenorth)
20:59:42  <SmatZ> @seen yorick
20:59:42  <Webster> SmatZ: yorick was last seen in #openttdcoop.devzone 4 weeks, 6 days, 4 hours, 22 minutes, and 2 seconds ago: <yorick> you just did!
21:15:02  <DJNekkid> @Seen DJ Nekkid
21:15:02  <Webster> DJNekkid: (seen [<channel>] <nick>) -- Returns the last time <nick> was seen and what <nick> was last seen saying. <channel> is only necessary if the message isn't sent on the channel itself.
21:15:20  <planetmaker> @seen DJNekkid
21:15:20  <Webster> planetmaker: DJNekkid was last seen in #openttdcoop.devzone 17 seconds ago: <DJNekkid> @Seen DJ Nekkid
21:15:43  <SmatZ> hehe
21:16:22  <DJNekkid> DJ Nekkid was last seen playing at "#mørkrød" in " .Will be seen Tomorrow at #Lipp in Å
21:16:30  <DJNekkid> :p
21:16:40  <SmatZ> :p
21:16:49  <DJNekkid> you know what
21:17:00  <SmatZ> no
21:17:06  <DJNekkid> i've been makeing almost 150.000 norwegian money GIG'ing this year
21:17:25  <SmatZ> nice
21:17:26  <DJNekkid> remove a 0 and you are +- at sterling pounds
21:17:29  <planetmaker> doesn't sound too bad. even if I divide it by 30 or so
21:17:42  <DJNekkid> devide by about 8,5 and you are at euros
21:17:54  <planetmaker> :-) even nicer
21:17:57  <DJNekkid> i.e. close to 15.000 euros
21:18:25  <DJNekkid> the next 8 days i will make 10.000 kr
21:18:30  <DJNekkid> or actually
21:18:50  <DJNekkid> 10280 kr
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21:19:07  <DJNekkid> 4 gigs
21:19:11  <DJNekkid> plus my day job
21:19:55  <DJNekkid> im probably gonna be in the 550.000 kr range this year
21:20:04  <DJNekkid> atleast surpass half a mill
21:20:11  <Rubidium> so... no 'poor lad' for you anymore
21:20:59  <DJNekkid> my only problem, we (me+wife) have gotten ourselves really expensive habits the last couple of years
21:21:10  <planetmaker> hehe :-)
21:21:27  <DJNekkid> i bet we could cut them by 50% without much hassle
21:21:50  <DJNekkid> and most likely pay down our current loan (780-some thousends) within 3 years
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21:22:34  <DJNekkid> we just spend too much money on travel
21:22:53  <planetmaker> well... but why should you, if it works for you like now and you're happy?
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21:23:19  <DJNekkid> well, we "need" a bigger place in the close future
21:23:32  <planetmaker> you'll multiply?
21:23:40  <planetmaker> ;-)
21:23:49  <DJNekkid> not tomorrow, and not the day after that, but within 5 years most likely
21:23:55  <DJNekkid> im 28, she is 25 now
21:24:02  <planetmaker> poor chaps. But yeah
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21:24:22  <DJNekkid> we currently live in a 1bedroom 60m2 apparment
21:24:45  <planetmaker> not too bad, is it? Just... one room is bad :-)
21:24:46  <Rubidium> how much does a house for 'starters' cost over there?
21:24:57  <DJNekkid> depends alot...
21:25:13  <DJNekkid> im aiming higher tho... :P
21:25:18  <DJNekkid> i want my gradmas house
21:25:27  <DJNekkid> she is turning 81 in a couple of monthjs
21:25:29  <DJNekkid> months
21:25:33  <Rubidium> lets say: city with ~ 100.000 inhabitants and not very near to very big cities (e.g. Oslo)
21:25:35  <DJNekkid> monthjs, sounds almost dutch
21:25:58  <DJNekkid> "my" city is almost 45k ppl...
21:26:05  <DJNekkid> and even here it vary alot...
21:26:19  <DJNekkid> we have a quite ... "fjords and montains" area
21:26:26  <planetmaker> quiet?
21:26:28  <DJNekkid> and the higher spots with a great view cost alot
21:26:53  <Rubidium> yes, but very expensive houses aren't generally meant for people starting with living on themselves
21:27:17  <DJNekkid> our current appartment that is less then 1km from the city center ... if i sold it now i guess i would get around 1,3mill for it
21:27:32  <DJNekkid> as i saied, remove a 0 and we are around the pound/euro area
21:28:12  <Rubidium> even in the NL the differences are huge; between ~125kEuro in my home town (far east of the country) to ~250kEuro near my parents (middle of the country)
21:28:24  <DJNekkid> but a half of a verticaly parted 120ish m2 house would probably be about twice as much
21:29:06  <planetmaker> depends upon where again, I guess :-)
21:29:19  <DJNekkid> if we baught a house, lets say about 30km from the city center the price would be around 60% for the same house
21:29:20  <planetmaker> Maybe you want your kid rather to grow up not in the middle of the town ;-)
21:29:40  <DJNekkid> i grew up 4 or 5km from the city center
21:29:47  <DJNekkid> and that is where my grandmas house is
21:29:59  * planetmaker grew up about 12km from the nearest city
21:30:40  <DJNekkid> what would you concider "nearest city"
21:30:40  <Rubidium> <- is roughly the same as mine
21:30:42  <DJNekkid> i mean
21:30:42  <Webster> Title: Huis te koop: Ypelobrink 122 7544 CE Enschede [funda] (at
21:30:55  <DJNekkid> hmm
21:31:14  <DJNekkid> a city of 45k have a quite small city center
21:31:30  <DJNekkid> but we have quite large "suburbs"
21:31:50  <planetmaker> DJNekkid: well... depends really, I think. Some of the villages where I grew up have a couple of thousand inhanbitants. But still < 10k
21:32:02  <DJNekkid> and in my term is "city" the entier ... "kommune"
21:32:13  <planetmaker> Well, yes.
21:32:24  <planetmaker> It's really villages. Not suburbs :-)
21:32:53  <planetmaker> But some larger ones would pass as small towns in other places, maybe. Though IMO not really.
21:33:39  <DJNekkid> a "kommune" is pretty much one .. i dunno ... "community" ...
21:33:49  <DJNekkid> the area the mayor rule
21:34:04  <DJNekkid> or rather, the city council
21:34:18  <DJNekkid> anyway, our "kommune" have 45k ppl
21:34:33  <DJNekkid> and is pretty much a city center, and widespread suburbs
21:34:46  <Rubidium> I guess that's what a county is in the US
21:34:52  <DJNekkid> and the entire "kommune" is spread over 5 islands or so
21:34:52  <planetmaker> yes. That's what I understand under city, too.
21:35:29  <planetmaker> But each of these villages has its own mayor. And then there's the far bigger cities with their own mayor.
21:35:33  <DJNekkid> Rubidium: dont quote me on this, but i feel a "county" is a bit bigger... in pure km2 i mean
21:36:00  <planetmaker> I'd consider it equivalent to the German "Kreis" or so.
21:36:04  <Rubidium> in the US everything is bigger
21:36:32  <DJNekkid> an american state would be perhaps 10 countys, but perhaps there would be a large city in two of thoose, and like 5 smaller ones in the rest
21:36:51  <DJNekkid> but again, this is me "feeling", and not knowing exactly ... i just "
21:36:57  <DJNekkid> 'think' it is like this
21:38:13  <DJNekkid>
21:38:19  <DJNekkid> that is my city atleast
21:38:58  <planetmaker> well... "my" city where I grew up is 85k or so
21:39:09  <planetmaker> or rather where I went to school to
21:39:19  <DJNekkid> from age...?
21:39:39  <planetmaker> 12-18 or so
21:39:42  <DJNekkid> oki...
21:40:04  <DJNekkid> and this is 12km away?
21:40:07  <planetmaker> though my primary school was already 4km away, neighboring village
21:40:13  <DJNekkid> doh
21:40:18  <planetmaker> The school was 10km
21:40:42  <planetmaker> And mostly I went by bike. Was faster than the bus.
21:40:54  <DJNekkid> my lower school were less then 1km away, and in norway, atleast in the urban areas the lower schools are usually within 2km
21:41:01  <DJNekkid> (age 6-12)
21:41:22  <DJNekkid> the middle schools (13-15) are usually within 5 or 6km
21:41:52  <planetmaker> Not here. They're most often only in the "Kreisstadt" - the "capital" of our county-equivalents or so
21:42:10  <planetmaker> so, if you live at the edge of such administrative district, you might travel far to secondary school
21:42:16  <DJNekkid> probably quite hard to compare ...
21:42:19  <planetmaker> Primary schools, of course are more wide-spread
21:42:26  <DJNekkid> germany is "mostly" inland
21:42:44  <planetmaker> hm?
21:42:49  <planetmaker> you mean no islands or what?
21:43:27  <DJNekkid> islands and coast
21:43:41  <planetmaker> yeah... but that doesn't change it :-)
21:43:54  <planetmaker> Interesting for small islands, though
21:44:10  <DJNekkid> appart from the eastern parts of norway (oslo and its suroundings, about 1/3rd or so of norways ppl live here) is located more rural areas
21:44:15  <DJNekkid> with LOTS living on the coast
21:44:23  <DJNekkid> with mountains and fjords
21:44:40  <DJNekkid> our "fylke" ... i would probably say this is a county in american terms
21:44:47  <DJNekkid> we have 19 of thoose in norway
21:44:50  <DJNekkid> anyway
21:45:06  <DJNekkid> our fylke (county) have about 260k ppl
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21:45:28  <DJNekkid> where there are 45k in "my" city, 25k ish in the two others
21:46:35  <DJNekkid> and the three cities have BIG dialect differences due to one mountain between two of them, and a big fjord inbetween the two others (they are in a (somewhat) line in a NE direction)
21:46:36  <planetmaker> Right :-)
21:46:59  <DJNekkid> and inbetween there are smaller and larges villages
21:47:40  <DJNekkid> there are actually 3 other communities that have 'city status', but amongst us "big ones" we dont count them as cities...
21:48:24  <DJNekkid> they recently got that status, as the rules of what could become a city were liberated a few years ago
21:48:35  <DJNekkid> that=their
21:48:41  <DJNekkid> (status)
21:51:09  <planetmaker> I don't even know what constitutes a city and what not...
21:51:24  <Rubidium> it's simple in the Netherlands :)
21:51:32  <DJNekkid> <3 NL
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21:52:01  <Rubidium> either you have 'stadsrechten' (city rights) and it's a city or you don't and it's not a city
21:52:15  <DJNekkid> same as norway
21:52:28  <DJNekkid> "by(city)status)" or not
21:52:43  <DJNekkid> but as i saied, the rules of what can become a city or not were liberated ...
21:53:35  <Rubidium> as such some towns with ~500.000 inhabitants are still a town and towns with > 20.000 inhabitants are cities. Simple and logical
21:53:58  <Rubidium> *some towns with less than 20.000...
21:54:15  <DJNekkid> simple and logical indeed ... ehm ...
21:54:20  <DJNekkid> or whatever :P
21:54:33  <planetmaker> well. It's as simple as that here, too
21:54:49  <DJNekkid> you know, norways largest city is Oslo ... counted to about 500-550k inhabitants...
21:54:51  <planetmaker> But I don't know when or how town rights are awarded. And what you gain by being one
21:55:00  <SmatZ> hmm I think we have just "villages" and "towns"
21:55:09  <SmatZ> then smallest town has ~50 inhabitants :)
21:55:20  <Rubidium> that's probably a hamlet
21:55:20  <DJNekkid> 50ppl would be ...
21:55:42  <DJNekkid> "a bunch of farms with their main building along the main road"
21:55:47  <SmatZ> :)
21:56:19  <planetmaker> :-P
21:56:27  <DJNekkid> and a "7/11" nearby ... accessable by bike and a some goodwill :P
21:56:40  <DJNekkid> optinally drunk and a tractor :p
21:56:52  <SmatZ> so actually, 83
21:57:28  <DJNekkid> almost 3ppl/km2
21:57:52  <SmatZ> hehe
21:58:25  <Rubidium> whahah... the smallest town with city rights in the NL has a whopping 40 inhabitants
21:58:52  <SmatZ> :-)
21:59:12  <DJNekkid> Ålesund have about 100/m2
21:59:39  <DJNekkid> btw...
21:59:55  <DJNekkid> if you EVER go to Norway, you SHOULD wisit Ålesund...
22:01:18  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: OpenGFX - Revision 240: Fix: Align a few town buildings (part of issue #77) @ (by planetmaker)
22:01:40  <planetmaker> DJNekkid: why? :-)
22:02:12  <DJNekkid> many reasons... first of all ...
22:02:22  <DJNekkid> we have a few great DJ's :)
22:03:01  <DJNekkid> second ... i've been around, and we actually have great arcitecture here
22:03:20  <DJNekkid> plus, mountains and fjords
22:03:43  <DJNekkid> the Geiranger Fjord is a little more then an hour away
22:04:14  <DJNekkid> and the eagle road is SPECTALULAR ... even I think so, and i've been there more then once
22:04:49  <Rubidium> but... alesund doesn't even have a station
22:04:55  <DJNekkid> i know :(
22:04:57  <Rubidium> how can I ever get there then?
22:05:01  <DJNekkid> we have a planned HST here tho
22:05:14  <DJNekkid> boeing 737-300 or 800, usually
22:05:38  <DJNekkid> or some germanbuilt road (appart from the mainroad) built in the early 40's :PÅ
22:07:17  <planetmaker> :-P
22:07:31  <planetmaker> My car needs to see some roads anyway... hehe
22:07:50  <planetmaker> still has to get used to them
22:08:32  <DJNekkid> well, if you fly in on a NICE summer day the pilot usually does a manual landing, thus flying some spectaliclar route
22:08:43  <planetmaker> though... could one go by bike?
22:09:03  <Rubidium> pff... I was a bit scared SAS' prices were in Euros... 2800 euros is a little bit too much for a ticket
22:09:03  <planetmaker> there is no such thing as an automatic landing...
22:10:23  <DJNekkid> well, manual "fly-in" ... not follow the usual "highways in the skies"
22:11:07  <DJNekkid> lo, yea, but 2800 from AMS to AES sounds about right ... a tad on the expensive side, but not unhead of
22:11:12  <Rubidium> 1733 NOK sounds somewhat towards reasonable if I my Norwegian is correct and that includes all taxes and fuel surcharges
22:11:25  <DJNekkid> that is AMS - AES?
22:11:37  <Rubidium> AMS-CPH-AES
22:11:41  <DJNekkid> oki
22:11:49  <Rubidium> on next tuesday
22:11:57  <DJNekkid> AMS-CHP-AES is about the same as AES-OSL-AES
22:12:04  <planetmaker> return flight or one-way?
22:12:07  <Rubidium> one way
22:12:09  <DJNekkid> that is one way
22:12:11  <DJNekkid> no wait
22:12:12  <planetmaker> uh
22:12:20  <Rubidium> DJNekkid: well... 2800 vs 1700 is quite a difference
22:13:00  <DJNekkid> we (me and wife) usually fly both ways for late 3000 to mid 4000...
22:13:13  <DJNekkid> say 3800 to 4500 to amsterdam
22:13:20  <Rubidium> hmm, with return flight the ticket is somewhat cheaper
22:13:27  <DJNekkid> bt
22:13:34  <DJNekkid> but next tuesday is rather close
22:13:43  <DJNekkid> try something like 15 february or something
22:13:57  <Rubidium> 8th AMS-CPH-AES: 1643, 15th AES-OSL-AMS: 1101, total of 2769 because of 'gebyr' (booking costs?)
22:14:11  <DJNekkid> "fee"
22:14:33  <DJNekkid> but booking cost is quite close
22:14:40  <planetmaker> gebühr ;-)
22:14:52  <DJNekkid> but the "nice" thing about SAS ...
22:15:01  <DJNekkid> the price you pay with CC is what you get
22:15:26  <Rubidium> already found a 2158 round trip
22:15:34  <DJNekkid> sounds about right
22:16:10  <Rubidium> no flights at christmas and extremely expensive just before/after it
22:16:29  <DJNekkid> as i saied, late 3000's or early 4000's for two ppl round trip Ålesund - ... Wherever middle europe
22:17:18  <DJNekkid> probably just the most expensive buisniss class tickets left
22:18:40  <planetmaker> sounds quite decently priced then
22:19:11  <DJNekkid> but low 2000's for a round trip for one person is quite ok, imho :)
22:19:31  <DJNekkid> did you try "norwegian" ?
22:20:01  <Rubidium> if gebyr is norwegian then yes
22:20:02  <DJNekkid>
22:20:16  <Rubidium> oh, that norwegian
22:20:25  <DJNekkid> an airline
22:21:11  <Rubidium> doesn't like to go to Amsterdam
22:21:35  <DJNekkid> oki
22:21:48  <Rubidium> well, not quite right...
22:21:56  <Rubidium> doesn't like to go Alesund - Amsterdam
22:22:10  <DJNekkid> try Oslo - Amsterdam
22:22:20  <planetmaker> but they don't fly that airport, do they?
22:22:27  <DJNekkid> and Ålesund (Aalesund or Alesund) - Osloi
22:22:30  <planetmaker> just oslo then?
22:22:40  <DJNekkid> they do atlest fly Ålesund - Oslo
22:22:46  <DJNekkid> but perhaps not Oslo - AMS
22:25:42  <Rubidium> 540 AMS-Oslo Gardermoen (13 dec - 16 dec)
22:26:12  <Rubidium> +704 Oslo-AES
22:26:25  <DJNekkid> perhaps they dont sell "connection" flights
22:26:30  <DJNekkid> just individual...
22:26:49  <DJNekkid> about 1250 one way then ... times two, 2500
22:27:03  <DJNekkid> or is that t/r?
22:27:16  <Rubidium> they arrive at 23:25 in Oslo
22:27:16  <planetmaker> 2000NOK from Berlin to Alesund
22:27:33  <planetmaker> return. In March
22:27:59  <Rubidium> so you need to do a night in Oslo
22:28:00  <DJNekkid> not to bad, is it?
22:28:09  <DJNekkid> Rubidium: apparently
22:28:22  <Rubidium> both ways 9 hours waiting
22:28:39  <Rubidium> though 540 + 498 NOK isn't that bad for return trip
22:28:43  <planetmaker> I'd need just a day
22:28:52  <DJNekkid> the last OSL-ASL flight is at about 2230ish
22:29:03  <DJNekkid> takes about 50mins
22:29:18  <DJNekkid> atleast according to the schedule, it always takes less
22:29:19  <planetmaker> 3 hours to the airport, 1.5hours flight, 3hours waiting, 1hour flight
22:29:44  <DJNekkid> a good hour is enough in gardermoen (OSL=)
22:29:50  <DJNekkid> 1:20 or so
22:30:01  <Rubidium> ghehe :)
22:30:25  <Rubidium> let me say 1 hour isn't enough time by far for Washington Dulles
22:30:27  <planetmaker> hehe - I believe so
22:30:37  <Rubidium> and more than enough for Tokyo Narita
22:30:57  <DJNekkid> you need less "aes-oslo-wherever"
22:31:12  <DJNekkid> but "wherever-oslo-aes" you need more
22:31:28  <DJNekkid> as you need to pick up your luggage, and then resend it for domestic travel
22:31:33  <DJNekkid> due to coustums
22:31:45  <DJNekkid> plus a new security check
22:32:11  <planetmaker> it's not getting checked-through?
22:32:24  <planetmaker> sucks.
22:32:32  <DJNekkid> not when its abroad-domestic
22:32:37  <DJNekkid> but domestic-aborad it is
22:33:01  <planetmaker> hm... also within EU? wait... within?
22:33:10  <DJNekkid> wait... within? :P
22:33:17  <DJNekkid> we are just "EØS" ...
22:33:36  <planetmaker> not. right.
22:33:51  <DJNekkid> you know ... thoose "wannabee" EU-countries ... norway, island, and a couple of others
22:34:25  <planetmaker> wannabe? Iceland will pretty much be one soon, I guess. Kinda hoping that it'll solve their financial trouble, I guess :-P
22:34:27  <DJNekkid> EEA in english
22:34:41  <DJNekkid> or EFTA if you wish
22:34:42  <planetmaker> not EFTA?
22:34:46  <planetmaker> :-)
22:34:47  <DJNekkid> ^^
22:35:33  <planetmaker> iceland, switzerland and norway are the only three remainders of that - or are there still more?
22:35:48  <DJNekkid> i doubt it
22:35:55  <DJNekkid> the others are full members :P
22:36:01  <DJNekkid> i just WISH norway were E
22:36:11  <planetmaker> :-)
22:36:16  <DJNekkid> EU
22:36:45  <DJNekkid> i mean, its only us left, we, the ammlers, and some ex communist countries
22:37:02  <planetmaker> :-P
22:37:56  <planetmaker> it's in your hands after all :-)
22:38:02  <planetmaker> not in mine
22:38:14  <DJNekkid> well, we had an election 15yrs ago, i were pro, but not 18yrs old yet
22:38:22  <DJNekkid> and i still am PRO
22:38:33  <DJNekkid> but im still a left-wing man
22:38:35  <planetmaker> 15 years? Holy duck. That's ages ago.
22:38:40  <DJNekkid> 1994 iirc
22:38:44  <DJNekkid> or 95
22:39:03  <DJNekkid> we do however, have an ongoing debate if we should apply again
22:39:18  <DJNekkid> we had an election in 72 or 74, and then again in the mid 95
22:39:20  <DJNekkid> 90's
22:41:25  <DJNekkid> i mean, 'we' pay like 1bill (1000mill) kr to EU yearly
22:41:40  <DJNekkid> no wait
22:41:52  <DJNekkid> its norway, island and lichtenstein that is in EFTA
22:47:26  <DJNekkid> :)
22:49:03  <planetmaker> hehe
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23:04:28  <planetmaker> Off to bed. Good night!
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23:22:47  <DJNekkid> glhf!

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