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00:53:48 *** KenjiE20|LT has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 00:54:13 *** KenjiE20 has quit IRC 01:20:53 *** Zuu has quit IRC 03:15:55 *** KenjiE20|LT has quit IRC 03:41:54 *** PeterT has quit IRC 04:50:43 *** Webster has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 08:42:31 *** Madis has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 08:43:37 *** andythenorth has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 08:55:24 *** ODM has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 08:55:26 *** Madis has quit IRC 08:59:14 <andythenorth> Ammler: (sorry to say) redmine is throwing a 500 error on the opengfx repo page :| 09:00:15 <andythenorth> ah, it's back again. 09:01:41 <planetmaker> andythenorth, at the moment that's unfortunately happening a lot 09:02:19 <planetmaker> going for some roads from there? ;-) 09:02:31 <planetmaker> actually... you could also re-use the sprites from the small airport. 09:02:43 <planetmaker> might even be more suitable. It's a grassy landing strip there. 09:02:51 <planetmaker> more suitable for a survey camp 09:13:45 <andythenorth> planetmaker: that's what I'm doing :) 09:13:57 <andythenorth> I don't need the sprites, just the numbers in the base tile set 09:14:03 <andythenorth> I've got those 09:14:11 <planetmaker> right. yes. 09:14:33 <planetmaker> andythenorth, for those purposes it's quite interesting to just use a de-compiled opengfx grf 09:14:40 <planetmaker> the pcx has the numbers nicely :-) 09:14:52 <andythenorth> I should get one of those... 09:15:13 <planetmaker> though I wonder: does grfcodec -d work for you? 09:15:30 <planetmaker> it works for me for NFO, but produces only bogus pcx (broken headers) 09:15:31 <andythenorth> probably, haven't tried yet 09:15:40 <planetmaker> I'm talking about the mac version 09:15:55 <andythenorth> grfcodec -d also tends to choke on large grfs 09:16:08 <andythenorth> I'm afk for a bit... 09:16:13 <planetmaker> hm, maybe I should try also the download version of it, produced by OpenTTD's compile farm. 09:38:23 *** Madis has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 10:14:42 *** Zuu has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 10:26:44 <Webster> Latest update from devactivity: FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 426: Change: hide Dredging Site (unfinished); Survey Cam... <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/firs/repository/revisions/426> || FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 425: Change: shifted IDs for station texts <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/firs/repository/revisions/425> || FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 424: Change: shifted IDs for station texts <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/firs/repository/revisions/424> || FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 423: Add: nfo file for survey camp <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/firs/repository/revisions/423> || Redmine - Revision 3123: Fixed: error when downloading a file with no matching mime type (#3782). <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/redmine/repository/revisions/3123> 11:37:47 *** Madis has quit IRC 12:08:23 *** KenjiE20 has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 14:05:57 <Webster> Latest update from devactivity: #openttdcoop - Document: Animated palette <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/documents/13> 14:21:21 <Webster> Latest update from devactivity: FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 429: Add: nfo file for Wind Farm <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/firs/repository/revisions/429> || FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 428: Add: pcx file for Wind Farm <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/firs/repository/revisions/428> || FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 427: Add: partial source for Wind Farm <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/firs/repository/revisions/427> 14:30:20 *** Madis has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 15:31:03 *** Madis has quit IRC 15:55:42 <Webster> Latest update from devactivity: FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 431: Fix: fish processor was using wrong tiles <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/firs/repository/revisions/431> || FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 430: Change: removed some unfinished industries from the... <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/firs/repository/revisions/430> 17:06:34 <DJNekkid> any judgement on the wagon-stuff? 17:14:56 <Webster> Latest update from devactivity: FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 432: Change: improved colour for Wind Farm <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/firs/repository/revisions/432> 17:19:04 *** Paul2 has left #openttdcoop.devzone 17:43:08 *** andythenorth has left #openttdcoop.devzone 18:00:46 *** Madis has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 18:07:41 *** Madis has quit IRC 18:18:32 *** tneo has quit IRC 18:18:32 *** SmatZ has quit IRC 18:18:32 *** XeryusTC has quit IRC 18:18:32 *** planetmaker has quit IRC 18:20:53 *** SmatZ has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 18:21:13 *** XeryusTC has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 18:23:13 *** planetmaker has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 18:23:21 *** planetmaker is now known as Guest981 18:23:43 *** tneo has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 19:12:02 *** Madis has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 19:15:31 <DJNekkid> Guest981 / Planetmaker: that stuff i wrote last night seem to work quite nicely... 19:15:54 <DJNekkid> some slight mods here or there, but the basic were awsome basicly :P 19:19:16 *** Madis has quit IRC 19:40:43 *** Zuu has quit IRC 19:45:19 *** andythenorth has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 19:46:15 <DJNekkid> hi andythenorth :) 19:46:33 <andythenorth> hai hai 19:46:40 <DJNekkid> how are u doing? 19:46:40 <andythenorth> I am unusually grumpy today 19:46:56 * DJNekkid runs and hides, and STFU's 19:47:10 <andythenorth> this thread annoys me. It shouldn't, but it does anyways: 19:47:11 <andythenorth> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=46652 19:47:12 <Webster> Title: Transport Tycoon Forums • View topic - How about a RRT industries set? (at www.tt-forums.net) 19:47:43 <DJNekkid> yea, i saw that one... 19:48:41 <andythenorth> I should know better than to be annoyed :P 19:48:51 <andythenorth> "I'm sure that if someone gets a good coding start on this project, any new graphics would come pouring in" 19:48:52 <DJNekkid> you are just human after alll... 19:49:09 <andythenorth> George did loads for ECS and no graphics came pouring in for him 19:49:59 <andythenorth> Serious question: FIRS might be over-stocked with industries 19:50:15 <KenjiE20> that's not a question :P 19:50:20 <andythenorth> :D 19:50:25 <DJNekkid> i know only one GFX artist that is able to pour out gfx... 19:50:36 <andythenorth> MB? 19:50:42 <DJNekkid> zyph 19:50:49 <andythenorth> Zeph indeed 19:51:04 <DJNekkid> hehe 19:51:34 <andythenorth> Serious question: is FIRS over-stocked with industries? 19:51:49 <Ammler> DJNekkid: MB is opposite 19:51:50 <andythenorth> http://tt-foundry.com/sets/FIRS 19:51:52 <Webster> Title: TT Foundry: Pixel Creations for Open Transport Tycoon (at tt-foundry.com) 19:52:09 <DJNekkid> doesnt it use most available slots? 19:52:20 <andythenorth> 57 in most climates 19:52:22 <Ammler> his graphics are mostly simple perfect 19:53:54 <andythenorth> at least 5 FIRS industries should be houses, leaving 52 19:54:42 <andythenorth> RT2 had 35 industries 19:54:45 <andythenorth> RT3 had about 48 19:54:58 <DJNekkid> then no; you arent overstocked 19:55:17 <andythenorth> Already I've seen a few comments that FIRS spams the map. It might be a valid point. 19:55:26 <Ammler> andythenorth: it is, but you don't need to use everything 19:55:37 <andythenorth> planetmaker was suggesting a 'lite' mode 19:55:40 <Ammler> it just makes it very hard to use 19:56:02 <Ammler> i agree with pm 19:56:39 <andythenorth> It would be better to cull some now, before too many are finished 19:58:08 <Ammler> we tell to eveyone who likes to use ECS not to take all at once, instead starting with 1-3 vectors. 19:58:40 <DJNekkid> but ... 19:58:44 <DJNekkid> in FIRS ... 19:58:57 <DJNekkid> arent there usually like 3ish industries that basicly "does the same" ? 19:59:14 <andythenorth> in quite a few cases, yes 20:00:13 <Ammler> imo, FIRS has already enough and how much is done, the half? 20:00:42 <andythenorth> let me check... 20:01:27 <andythenorth> About 42 coded, about 21 left to cde 20:01:29 <andythenorth> code /s 20:01:38 <Ammler> so 2/3 done 20:01:53 <andythenorth> yes. and some industries remaining are climate-dependent, or should be houses 20:02:00 <andythenorth> http://tt-foundry.com/sets/FIRS/schema/code_status_hotlist 20:02:02 <Webster> Title: TT Foundry: Pixel Creations for Open Transport Tycoon (at tt-foundry.com) 20:02:13 <andythenorth> ^^ list isn't 100% up to date, but close 20:03:20 <andythenorth> Shall we play a game of yes / no? 20:03:22 <andythenorth> :D 20:03:26 <andythenorth> Coal mine? 20:03:32 <andythenorth> In or out? 20:03:48 <Ammler> well, I would tell to everything "In" 20:04:03 <Ammler> that is the issue :-P 20:04:07 <andythenorth> that is the problem :D 20:04:28 <andythenorth> Glass works? 20:04:32 <andythenorth> I never bloody use it 20:04:51 <Ammler> I only once played with FIRS some months ago 20:05:02 <andythenorth> try a game soon :) 20:05:20 <DJNekkid> my thoughts about firs: 20:05:23 <DJNekkid> never tried it 20:05:41 <DJNekkid> but i think it will be rather awsome when its done, but it require a quite large map... 20:06:01 <DJNekkid> 1024^2 or so... 20:06:08 <andythenorth> I've played 2 games on 256x512 20:06:33 <andythenorth> It looks confusing, but really...you build a rail line for something like coal, then just start connecting up the rest.... 20:06:35 <Ammler> FIRS isn't much different from ECS with parameter 15 20:06:42 <Ammler> gameplay wise 20:06:59 <DJNekkid> whats paramter 15? 20:07:10 <DJNekkid> *parameter 20:07:21 <Ammler> diabled all the special callbacks 20:08:45 <andythenorth> Hmmm....if I scrapped the 'parts' cargo things would get more interesting... 20:08:48 <andythenorth> http://tt-foundry.com/sets/FIRS/schema/cargo_details?cargo_type=parts 20:08:49 <Ammler> but I wouldn't play ECS with parameter 15 in a single player game 20:08:50 <Webster> Title: TT Foundry: Pixel Creations for Open Transport Tycoon (at tt-foundry.com) 20:08:57 <Ammler> that is what ECS makes the fun 20:10:08 <Ammler> hmm, it that tt-foundry domain on a home server? 20:11:01 <andythenorth> is it very slow right now? 20:11:50 <Ammler> the dns was down 20:12:06 <Ammler> a 1&1 20:12:13 <Ammler> yeah, they have some dns issues 20:12:28 <Ammler> works again 20:13:08 <Ammler> what about time dependencies 20:13:22 <Ammler> some industries disapear after 2000 20:13:39 <Ammler> some don't appear before 2000 20:13:46 <andythenorth> yep, and earlier also 20:14:13 <DJNekkid> anyone of you wanna pull 2cc set, and try to build? 20:14:26 <DJNekkid> im not 100% sure if i did put all files in... 20:14:48 * andythenorth coding something (work), but if no-one else can help, I'll try... 20:15:08 <Ammler> maybe it is my own dns 20:15:23 <Ammler> DJNekkid: run hg st 20:15:46 <DJNekkid> prints a list of stuff... :D 20:16:06 <DJNekkid> looks ok tho... 20:17:17 <DJNekkid> Ammler: 20:17:19 <DJNekkid> view this file: 20:17:20 <DJNekkid> http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/2cctrainset/repository/entry/templates/wagon_freight.tnfo 20:17:27 <DJNekkid> i think it might be something you might like :) 20:17:39 <Ammler> hmm, I have same issue as Hirundo once reported 20:17:44 <Ammler> can't clone 20:19:19 <Ammler> yes, this looks indeed very cool 20:19:47 <Ammler> imo, we should start to make a generic newgrf Makefile 20:20:07 <DJNekkid> look at line 163, 203 etc ... and line 459 20:22:06 <DJNekkid> there is one thing i'd like to put into the makefile tho... 20:22:08 <Webster> Latest update from devactivity: 2cc train set - Revision 419: Add: Framework for freight wagons; Probably abit too much in one go... <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/2cctrainset/repository/revisions/419> 20:22:28 <DJNekkid> tr -s , \n <a0.txt >action0.pnfo 20:22:47 <DJNekkid> plus a0wag.txt + action0wagons.pnfo 20:23:42 <Ammler> hmm? 20:24:36 <Ammler> or maybe the whole thing should be made with a higher language like python or such 20:25:55 <andythenorth> yay 20:25:57 <andythenorth> or not 20:27:58 <andythenorth> mmm....I have just written a list comprehension in python 20:28:10 <andythenorth> total = sum([weekly_bookings['all'][i]['total'] for i in range(0, num_weeks)]) 20:28:37 <andythenorth> in nfo action 2 that would be something like.... 20:28:38 <andythenorth> ... 20:28:39 <andythenorth> ... 20:28:49 <andythenorth> oh no, I forgot, it would be insane :) 20:33:34 <DJNekkid> btw, i've ordered a new laptop :) 20:35:31 <andythenorth> any fruit on it? 20:36:45 <DJNekkid> no... 20:36:53 <DJNekkid> just hardware :P 20:37:08 <DJNekkid> concidering 64bit linux, but not sure... 20:38:43 <Ammler> DJNekkid: I am looking for a follower to my laptop too 20:38:55 <DJNekkid> clevo W860 20:39:15 <Ammler> I very much would like to by a DELL, but those have ATI graphic gards 20:39:18 <Ammler> c* 20:39:23 <Ammler> buy* 20:39:46 *** PeterT has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 20:40:00 <Ammler> hmm, clevo? 20:40:20 <PeterT> topic is outdated 20:40:26 <PeterT> " Server is very much down until the next year" 20:40:35 <Rubidium> yeah, ATI graphic cards suck... although recently it has been remarkedly stable 20:40:42 <Ammler> PeterT: well, let us wait a day 20:41:08 <Ammler> Rubidium: you need to wait around 2 weeks after a kernel update until you get a new driver. 20:41:32 <DJNekkid> Ammler: you might try "Sager W860" instead? 20:41:33 <Rubidium> Ammler: not such a big problem for me anymore :) 20:41:51 <DJNekkid> Clevo is the producer of a nonbranded laptop series 20:41:55 <Ammler> well, I could build those self too, but... 20:42:15 <DJNekkid> and various resellers build them with tailormade parts... 20:42:19 <Ammler> it is just an indicator how well they support and care about Linux 20:42:46 <DJNekkid> and this particular computer have gotten really good reviews... 20:43:01 <DJNekkid> my wife did get one this time last year, or, the previous model... 20:43:04 <Ammler> sager doesn't say me something either 20:43:31 <Ammler> is that a norwegian label only? 20:43:42 <DJNekkid> no... 20:43:52 <DJNekkid> that is the european brand or something 20:43:57 <DJNekkid> this is the norwegian one: 20:43:57 <DJNekkid> http://www.multicom.no/SystemConfigurator.aspx?q=st:10577404;c:100561;fl:0 20:44:10 <Ammler> ah goolge knows :-P 20:45:22 <DJNekkid> but if that link works, you can see how you can tailormade the computer a'la dell 20:46:15 <DJNekkid> *make 20:46:29 <Ammler> well, at least geforce :-) 20:46:56 <DJNekkid> the only downside of that computer, is rather low batterycapacity 20:47:15 <DJNekkid> but that is due to the fact it got rather beefy hardware 20:47:42 <Rubidium> hmm... only 1920x1080... I'm gonna miss those 230400 pixels 20:48:05 <DJNekkid> i ordered mine with 1600x900 or whatever it is 20:48:20 <Ammler> mine has 1440x900, which is enough 20:49:06 <Ammler> I wouldn't like to zoom all the time :-) 20:49:14 <DJNekkid> hehe 20:49:16 <DJNekkid> me either 20:50:13 <Ammler> well, my current laptop is simple the best I had so far, I would very much like the same again, just more power/memory/akku 20:50:14 <DJNekkid> there is a big brother also btw ... if you are looking for a desktop-laptop :P 20:50:21 <DJNekkid> http://www.multicom.no/SystemConfigurator.aspx?q=st:10577604;c:100560;fl:0 20:50:24 <Ammler> no 20:50:43 <Ammler> I have now Inspiron 6400 15" 20:51:08 <Rubidium> I had an Inspiron 6000 15", now a Studio 15 20:51:22 <Ammler> studio's have ATI 20:51:25 <Rubidium> anyhow, the bigger brother still leaves me with those 230400 pixels less 20:51:36 <Ammler> and the Alien things are very ugly. 20:52:15 <DJNekkid> http://www.sagernotebook.com/default.php 20:52:16 <Webster> Title: custom gaming laptops - Welcome to Sager Notebooks (at www.sagernotebook.com) 20:52:48 * Rubidium is happy as long as 2D works and the X driver support XV 20:54:25 <Ammler> DJNekkid: if you compare to dell 20:54:45 <Ammler> dell is best in price and power 20:54:54 <Ammler> and support 20:55:07 <Rubidium> Ammler: does Dell make a commercial about being so cheap because they got no shops? 20:55:24 <Rubidium> in Germany that is 20:55:25 <Ammler> :-) 20:55:40 <Ammler> ah, serious question? 20:55:48 <Ammler> dunno. 20:55:49 <Rubidium> yes, a serious question 20:56:01 <Rubidium> because in the NL they say they don't have shops and it's a lie 20:56:24 <Ammler> well, they have the webshop 20:56:45 <Ammler> I am not aware of a physical dell shop 20:57:00 <Rubidium> I've been in a real Dell shop... 20:57:01 <Ammler> or however you call that :-) 20:57:26 <Rubidium> ... okay, it was in Tokyo, but who cares about that? 20:58:54 <Ammler> yeah, I guess those are more promotion shops like the apple things ... 21:00:11 <andythenorth> so far in my life, I've never had cause to say 'Stupid Python" 21:01:27 <Rubidium> andythenorth: then you've not used it on enough platforms yet 21:01:41 <andythenorth> :P 21:01:52 <andythenorth> 'stupid Zope' gets said a lot around here 21:05:46 <Ammler> DJNekkid: how much € is 12 421,- 21:06:23 <Rubidium> lmgtfy.com?q=12421%20nok%20to%20euro ? 21:06:35 <Ammler> Rubidium: didn't know about nok 21:08:13 <Ammler> hmm, so it looks like a good deal 21:09:02 <DJNekkid> Ammler: devide by 8,1 or 8,2 21:09:33 <DJNekkid> todays rate i think were 8,21 kr/euro 21:11:06 <Ammler> DJNekkid: you bought W860? 21:11:22 <DJNekkid> yes 21:11:31 <DJNekkid> a variant to 15.000kr 21:11:38 <DJNekkid> not arrived yet tho 21:12:30 <Ammler> wow, nice, you are able to buy it without crappy windows 21:12:42 <DJNekkid> yes :D 21:15:05 <Ammler> wow, mine would cost 13250 21:15:33 <Ammler> DJNekkid: will you install a linux on it? 21:15:49 <DJNekkid> im concidering it, but im not sure... 21:16:01 <DJNekkid> i do play a good few windows games... 21:16:27 <Ammler> well, the os doesn't need to be excluxive 21:16:46 <Ammler> I used at my linux starts windows quite a lot too 21:16:51 <Rubidium> there's only one thing I'm using Windows for :) 21:17:14 <Rubidium> ... compiling OpenTTD 21:17:19 <Ammler> testing installer :-P 21:17:29 <Rubidium> yeah, and that too 21:17:37 <Ammler> but you do that on vm, don't you? 21:17:44 <Rubidium> ofcourse I'm using a VM 21:18:50 <DJNekkid> my only problem is, i have little or no experience with linux 21:19:03 <DJNekkid> i did use _some_ redhat 6.2 or something once 21:19:24 <Ammler> well, you don't need, it will come automatically 21:20:00 <Ammler> if the hardware is well supported, it is a lot easier to install than windows 21:20:34 <DJNekkid> setting up that "x" used to be a pain iirc 21:20:45 <DJNekkid> but that might come "built in" by now? 21:21:29 <Rubidium> agreed. Been using Debian on my work station for 7 years now, 3 different computers... and migration between computers has been easy (just copying ~ to the new computer). And presto, all settings moved with me 21:22:20 <DJNekkid> but i also bet, by now, are there a "lindows" or something... 21:22:29 <DJNekkid> something that pretty much looks and feels like windows 21:22:37 <DJNekkid> "lindows xp" or something 21:22:50 <Ammler> DJNekkid: since around 2 years, you can use linux as desktop 21:22:51 <Rubidium> I'd advice against doing that 21:23:10 <Rubidium> (doing that being using something that just looks like Windows) 21:23:37 <Rubidium> Ammler: lies... at least 7 years :) 21:23:51 <Ammler> Rubidium: me and djn since 2 21:23:54 <Rubidium> although it all depends on what you want/need 21:24:19 <Ammler> since suse 10.3 21:24:25 <Ammler> KDE 3.5 21:24:37 <DJNekkid> and then its the stuff about what distro to use and blablabla 21:24:38 <Ammler> openoffice 2 21:24:57 <DJNekkid> some seems to be a bit "not so opensource afterall" 21:25:08 <DJNekkid> and needs special this or that 21:25:29 <Rubidium> DJNekkid: that's just hardware vendors not being nice for 90% of the time 21:25:45 <DJNekkid> how? 21:25:53 <DJNekkid> dont provide drivers ? 21:26:28 <Rubidium> DJNekkid: not providing a driver, providing a binary only driver, not providing specs, ... 21:26:43 <DJNekkid> oki :) 21:26:50 <Rubidium> although the "not so opensource afterall" usually is the binary only driver case 21:26:52 <Ammler> DJNekkid: that is why I have to check for the hardware that many different laptops 21:26:57 <Rubidium> e.g. ATI and nvidia 21:26:58 <Ammler> else I would just buy a new dell 21:27:11 <DJNekkid> are ... ehm ... nvidia and intel one of thoose? :) 21:27:15 <Ammler> (which I will do) 21:27:25 <Ammler> intel is best supported 21:27:37 <Rubidium> yes, Intel is certainly the best 21:28:01 <Rubidium> those generally work out of the box, and lately probably even before the hardware is actually released :) 21:28:12 <DJNekkid> hehe 21:28:15 <DJNekkid> and nvidia? 21:28:21 <DJNekkid> arent thoose owned by intel? 21:28:37 <Ammler> but personally, I didn't have issues with my ATI, but currently I read bad things in 21:29:10 <Ammler> nvidia shouldn't be a problem either, at least not on my current laptop 21:29:21 <Rubidium> DJNekkid: according to wiki nVidia isn't owned by Intel 21:29:56 <Rubidium> Ammler: ATI had a rough time in the begin for my laptop, but lately it's been quite fine 21:31:09 <DJNekkid> it might have been ATI that were baught by AMD ? 21:31:52 <Rubidium> yes, ATI is AMD now 21:32:56 <Ammler> DJNekkid: since I use my current laptop, nvidia has all the time a kernel module ready if the kernel updates 21:33:27 <Ammler> so in your case that wouldn't be a issue 21:33:42 <DJNekkid> oki... 21:34:30 <DJNekkid> well, i got a feeling that i might start with some kind of linux... 21:34:31 <Ammler> the ATI pc, I update always a month later 21:34:49 <DJNekkid> and a windows VM-thingy 21:34:58 <DJNekkid> some old 64bit winxp or something... 21:35:27 <DJNekkid> and then after a while i get sick of problems, and i'll install windows 7 :P 21:35:47 <Ammler> well, I would install it from start 21:36:11 <Ammler> you need it for the very high graphics games anyway. 21:36:58 <Ammler> I still have a 30 GP partition with windows, which I boot around once per month 21:37:06 <Ammler> GB* 21:37:50 <Ammler> he, and that is as stable as my linux without any firewall and antivir crap 21:38:21 <Ammler> that is the best thing about Linux, you learn how to use Windows :-P 21:38:39 <Ammler> no, not the best thing, but... 21:40:25 <Ammler> and the best thing I did with my parents was installing Linux there, since then, he doesn't have issues with the system, just with general usage. 21:45:02 <DJNekkid> but, cant i just use some VM-thingy to boot windows? 21:48:26 <Ammler> DJNekkid: of course 21:48:43 <Ammler> around 90% of the windows tools you still would need work with wine 21:48:55 <Ammler> another 9% with a VM 21:49:03 <DJNekkid> so, i can "wine" games? :P 21:49:07 <Ammler> and 1% might need a native boot 21:49:12 <Ammler> DJNekkid: yes 21:49:34 <Ammler> well, I boot windows natively for non-openttd games 21:49:40 <DJNekkid> oki, cool :) 21:50:10 <DJNekkid> mem/cpu issues? 21:50:30 <Ammler> as I said, just install both 21:50:37 *** PeterT has quit IRC 21:50:38 <Ammler> so you don't miss the other 21:50:59 <DJNekkid> yea... 21:51:25 <DJNekkid> point to install linux for me, was that i should not need windows so much 21:51:28 <DJNekkid> hehe 21:51:31 <Ammler> I would also bet, you will quite fast find better linux tools for dj work 21:51:57 <DJNekkid> most are mac orientend afaik 21:52:35 <Ammler> yeah, linux has everything, the best from mac and windows 21:52:53 <DJNekkid> oki :D 21:53:16 <Ammler> but it need a bit starting time, don't expect everything from the first day. 21:53:31 <DJNekkid> i dont :D 21:53:45 <DJNekkid> as long as i can run WoW in linux im happy :P 21:54:00 <Ammler> that might be possible natively 21:54:33 <Ammler> I play only openttd online 21:54:33 <DJNekkid> seem to be a quite long article on wowwiki 21:55:04 <Ammler> and I have no plans to extend that behavior 21:57:39 <Ammler> I would need around a day to setup a windows with all the apps and tools I have on my linux 21:57:52 <Ammler> it needed around 2 hours on linux 21:58:24 <Ammler> and installing a new tool needs another 10 secs 21:58:33 <DJNekkid> yea, i remember that 22:39:15 *** andythenorth has quit IRC 23:05:25 *** Guest981 is now known as planetmaker 23:05:58 *** planetmaker is now known as Guest1009 23:06:48 *** Guest1009 is now known as planetmaker 23:31:15 <Webster> Latest update from devactivity: 2cc train set - Revision 423: Add: Boxcar (long) <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/2cctrainset/repository/revisions/423> || 2cc train set - Revision 422: Add: Support for classes in freight template... <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/2cctrainset/repository/revisions/422> || 2cc train set - Revision 421: Fix: Forgot some change in the last rev <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/2cctrainset/repository/revisions/421> || 2cc train set - Revision 420: Add: Support for more wagon speeds <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/2cctrainset/repository/revisions/420> 23:35:39 *** ODM has quit IRC