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People cannot download from there via the browser. But that's what they expect, if they browse ;-) 11:43:04 *** PeterT has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 11:50:21 *** KenjiE20 has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 12:25:14 <Ammler> http://binaries.openttd.org/bananas/OpenGFX.0.2.1.tar.gz 12:25:32 <Ammler> planetmaker: try again ^:-) 12:27:05 <planetmaker> oh :-) 13:16:18 *** welshdragon has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 13:29:52 *** ODM has quit IRC 13:41:54 *** dragonhorseboy has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 13:42:00 <dragonhorseboy> hey 13:42:07 <PeterT> Hi, dragonhorseboy 14:02:29 <dragonhorseboy> well no harm in trying ask about it now .. if I set property 19 to 00 and property 22 to 40 .. that should be able to give me a powered wagon with no smoke and hopefully no chug sound? 14:03:26 <PeterT> hi all 14:03:33 <PeterT> I'm trying to apply BaseCostsMod 14:03:36 <PeterT> to a .scn 14:03:43 <PeterT> but I apply the GRF with params 14:03:45 <PeterT> and it doesn't work 14:03:49 <PeterT> not cost modification 14:03:52 <PeterT> *no 14:09:24 <dragonhorseboy> hmm not too sure 14:09:38 <dragonhorseboy> I do recall certain parameters didn't work till you saved the scenario and load it into a game 14:09:48 <PeterT> I just tried that 14:11:08 <dragonhorseboy> yeah .. like I said not too sure then sorry 14:15:41 <Ammler> PeterT: which grf do you speak about? 14:15:46 <PeterT> Yours 14:15:52 <dragonhorseboy> ammler basecost.grf I already assumed :P 14:15:53 <PeterT> BaseCostsMod 14:15:55 <Ammler> 3.0? 14:16:34 <Ammler> @wiki BaseCosts 14:16:37 <Webster> BaseCosts - #openttdcoop Wiki - http://wiki.openttdcoop.org/Special:Search?go=Go&search=BaseCosts 14:16:46 <dragonhorseboy> or just use http://wiki.openttdcoop.org/Basecosts.grf :P 14:17:06 <PeterT> let me see which I have 14:19:03 <PeterT> Ammler: 14:19:06 <PeterT> 2.0-beta2 14:19:49 <Ammler> checkout 3.0 :-) 14:19:57 <PeterT> Ok ;-) 14:20:13 <PeterT> is it a problem that this was already once a .sav 14:20:14 <PeterT> ? 14:20:18 <PeterT> I changed to .scn 14:20:21 <Ammler> no 14:20:24 <PeterT> Good! 14:20:28 <PeterT> yay! 14:20:28 <Ammler> not with 3.0 14:20:33 <Ammler> no idea about the others 14:20:36 <PeterT> Very nice! 14:21:00 <Ammler> but 3.0 might be hard to configure ;-) 14:21:15 <PeterT> really? 14:21:23 <PeterT> not just "8 10 8 1123414 10" 14:21:24 <PeterT> ? 14:22:02 <PeterT> what version do I need? Ammelr 14:22:04 <PeterT> *Ammler 14:22:24 * Ammler does support 3.0 only... 14:22:53 <PeterT> ? 14:23:31 <Ammler> I don't care which version you like to use, but I don't know, how well the old versions work, so I can't support those. 14:24:02 <Ammler> the new version is the one I like to confinue on... 14:24:29 <PeterT> I have 0.7. 14:24:32 <PeterT> *0.7.0 14:24:33 <dragonhorseboy> ammler...perhaps update the wiki? (unless the same download link is actually for 3.0 ) 14:24:45 <PeterT> I want to keep save game compatibility, so I haven't upgraded yet 14:24:45 <Ammler> dragonhorseboy: already done :-) 14:25:21 <Ammler> 3.0 should work with openttd >=0.5 14:25:42 <dragonhorseboy> lol whats the point of basecost 3.0 with no parameter table anywhere? :P 14:25:49 <dragonhorseboy> or are you just working on that right now? ;) 14:26:00 <Ammler> no, please check again... 14:26:05 <Ammler> you might find the link 14:27:06 <Ammler> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=67&t=46720 <-- might also help and can be used for comments etc. 14:27:08 <Webster> Title: Transport Tycoon Forums • View topic - BaseCosts Mod 3.0 (at www.tt-forums.net) 14:28:16 <Ammler> what me suprises is, it has already 4k downloads on BaNaNaS :-) 14:28:26 <dragonhorseboy> it'll be useful to have the same parameter comment field inside the grf 14:28:36 <dragonhorseboy> so don't have to keep flip windows back n forth to figure which was what 14:28:47 <PeterT> how does i set these parameters? 14:29:13 <Ammler> PeterT: what you like to change? 14:29:21 <PeterT> Terraforming and clearing sea 14:29:27 <PeterT> just general terraforming 14:29:30 <PeterT> not foundations 14:29:35 <PeterT> is that possible in 0.7.0? 14:29:42 <Ammler> then use the example from wiki and add clearing 14:29:57 <Ammler> no, that is a 1.0 feature 14:30:02 <PeterT> damn, Eminem is distracting 14:30:04 <PeterT> thought so 14:30:10 <PeterT> I'm so used to trunk games :-) 14:31:15 <PeterT> where did you get "25 12 27 8" from? 14:31:32 <PeterT> 8 pairs max? :-( 14:31:32 <Ammler> http://wiki.ttdpatch.net/tiki-index.php?page=BaseCosts 14:31:44 <Ammler> well, that is quite easy extendable 14:32:53 <PeterT> so, "34 10" would increase "<clearning water> <4x>"? 14:33:03 <PeterT> or whatever has <id> of 34? 14:33:12 <Ammler> indeed, didn't it work? 14:34:00 <PeterT> I'm nto done yet ;-) 14:34:01 <Ammler> feel free to update the wiki, if it needs some more infos for users and also don't hesitate to request more pairs, if needed. 14:34:06 <dragonhorseboy> 8 9 15 14 9 7 13 255 14:34:13 <dragonhorseboy> thats always been my SP parameters ;) 14:34:38 <dragonhorseboy> (and yes I know what the three larger numbers are for...its intentional seeing its too stupidly cheap otherwise) 14:35:37 <PeterT> Ammler 14:35:40 <PeterT> what is "miscellaneous" 14:35:43 <PeterT> what does that affect? 14:35:51 <Ammler> misc things ;-) 14:36:27 <Ammler> I guess, that doesn't know someone 14:36:52 <Ammler> if someone would know it, misc would be replaced by that 14:37:41 <Ammler> grep the source and update the wiki ;-) 14:38:10 <dragonhorseboy> I'm off for now anyway 14:38:13 *** dragonhorseboy has left #openttdcoop.devzone 14:38:19 <PeterT> it doesn't work, Ammler 14:38:31 <Ammler> save? 14:38:39 <PeterT> oh, not yet :-( 14:38:42 <PeterT> hold on then 14:38:59 <Ammler> how you know it doesn't work then? 14:39:10 <PeterT> I added the GRF with parameters to the .scn 14:39:15 <PeterT> then I saved the .scn 14:39:19 <PeterT> then I did Play Scenario 14:39:30 <PeterT> and I just did shift-click ocean 14:39:43 <PeterT> it was only 22,500, and not some insanly high number 14:40:02 <Ammler> hmm, I would rather guess, it would be a bug of openttd than my grf 14:40:18 <Ammler> as my grf is quite simple :-) 14:40:58 <Ammler> but to check that, I need an example... 14:41:58 <PeterT> Ammler 14:41:58 <PeterT> http://users.tt-forums.net/petert/files/Mega%27s%20Classic%20Europe%20Multi.scn 14:45:04 <PeterT> Ammler? 14:45:18 <PeterT> you can open with anything => 0.7.0 14:46:25 <Ammler> works with coop binary 14:46:36 <Ammler> so it looks like a bug in 0.7.0 14:46:56 <Ammler> (or a missing feature) 14:48:32 <PeterT> I'll test with 0.7.5 14:48:47 <PeterT> doesn't work there 14:48:50 <Ammler> yes, doesn't work with 0.7.5 14:49:14 <PeterT> ok, I'll test with CoOp 14:49:22 <PeterT> or latest nightly, actually 14:49:28 <Ammler> I will change dependency on bananas 14:49:33 <PeterT> Ok, thansk 14:49:41 <PeterT> anything > 0.7.5 14:50:43 <Ammler> not possible, 0.7.2 is biggest there 14:50:50 <Ammler> need to wait for 1.0 release :-) 14:50:54 <PeterT> oh :-( 14:51:08 <Ammler> ah, doesn't matter 14:51:21 <Ammler> there are already 4k downloads and nobody complained about 14:51:42 <PeterT> I posted on forum thread 14:52:15 <PeterT> it works witha anightly 14:53:26 <Ammler> it isn't the grf, which doesn't work with openttd 0.7 14:53:39 <Ammler> it's openttd, which doesn't work with my grf ;-) 14:54:45 <PeterT> :-) 14:56:54 <Ammler> but the issue isn't really important to make a bugreport for 0.7 14:57:17 <PeterT> yeah, it will be fixed in 1.0 14:57:32 <Ammler> it is 15:04:30 <Ammler> strange map :-) 15:04:57 <PeterT> :-) 15:05:02 <PeterT> its a europe map 15:05:04 <PeterT> you don't like it? 15:05:13 <PeterT> its made for, and only for, multiplayer 15:05:19 <PeterT> that's why the rules signs are there 15:05:57 <PeterT> Ammmler; You must be the only guest that's online 15:08:17 <Ammler> the airport squares are funny 15:08:22 <PeterT> Ammler: you need to sign in to see the good stuff: http://users.tt-forums.net/petert/files/sign_in.PNG 15:08:59 <PeterT> Ammler: We have a game going on at #OpenTTDMegaClan 15:10:06 <Ammler> oh well, I someone not in the playing mood, also have a pending hub at ps 15:10:14 <Ammler> somehow* 15:10:26 <PeterT> care to take a look, anyway? 15:10:31 <PeterT> it's CD+IS 15:10:57 <Ammler> sounds interesting... 15:16:49 *** Chris_Booth has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 15:23:22 <PeterT> Ok, Ammler :-( 15:23:54 <Ammler> np, maybe I try again later... 15:52:05 <PeterT> Ammler: I am running a server (0.7.5) with that same map you saw before :-) 16:06:39 <Webster> Latest update from devactivity: FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Feature #298: parameters <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/298#change-1917> 16:18:57 <Ammler> PeterT: you might need to learn to query bots in private ;-) 16:19:15 <PeterT> where? 16:19:17 <PeterT> #openttd? 16:19:20 <Ammler> everywhere 16:19:24 <PeterT> I did, but DorpsGek doesn't respond 16:19:56 <Ammler> too late, it is just a tip so you don't get ignored/banned on other channels... 16:20:49 <PeterT> peter1138 just loves to ban for no reason 16:21:03 <Ammler> oh well, don't discuss that here... 16:52:03 <Webster> Latest update from devactivity: TTDViewer - Revision 0: -Add: Everything :) <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/ttdviewer/repository/revisions/0> || Redmine - Revision 3179: Added User.spawn_with_protected to generate an unsaved User record. <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/redmine/repository/revisions/3179> 16:58:08 *** welshdragon has quit IRC 17:04:19 <Ammler> planetmaker: do you have a practical usage example for frosch's viewer? 17:04:37 <planetmaker> He did post one in the forums 17:05:08 <Ammler> but it is like the name says only a viewer, so you can't use it for converting, I assume? 17:07:49 <planetmaker> I think so, yes 17:07:51 <Webster> Latest update from devactivity: TTDViewer - Revision 1: -Update: Insert forum post link into readme. <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/ttdviewer/repository/revisions/1> 17:08:03 <planetmaker> but it can show you nicely wrong pixels and animation 17:12:45 <Ammler> he, frosch does pefer the DOS palette :-) 17:14:32 <planetmaker> yep 17:14:51 <planetmaker> A certain A from A, so I was told, too ;-) 17:15:48 <Ammler> from A? 17:17:42 <planetmaker> Amden? 17:19:16 <Ammler> well, we had the discussion about palette for opengfx already :-) 17:19:44 <Ammler> in frosches case, it might be easier that way to support both 17:27:27 <andythenorth> I would have a practical use for a viewer of some kind - anything that can help me figure out industry layouts would be much appreciated. Cross referencing is painful between Action 2 graphics, real sprites, and industry layout definition! 19:28:23 *** ODM has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 20:08:04 <Ammler> http://www.tt-forums.net/download/file.php?id=123238 <-- planetmaker, no version info in the grf name 20:08:49 <planetmaker> uh... ok, I see that? And how obtained? 20:08:58 <planetmaker> s/that?/that./ 20:09:35 <Ammler> ? 20:09:58 <planetmaker> well. I compiled / installed the current opengfx just yesterday and it worked for me 20:09:59 <Ammler> maybe we should also remove the "for OpenTTD" there :-) 20:10:02 <planetmaker> so something must be different 20:10:20 <Ammler> planetmaker: that is a ttdpatch screen 20:10:27 <planetmaker> yes, I see that. 20:10:36 <Ammler> you don't see teh action8 in openttd 20:10:38 <planetmaker> But regardless it was build *somehow* 20:11:13 <Ammler> I didn't build, I made manual rename 20:11:21 <planetmaker> and as long as I don't know how that grf as shown there was made, I have no idea what I can do about it 20:12:16 <planetmaker> and... that's the action8 of the extra newgrf of OpenGFX you talk about. Right? 20:12:26 *** welshdragon has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 20:13:54 <Ammler> yes 20:15:50 <planetmaker> You want the OpenTTD version visible there? 20:16:14 <planetmaker> Removing OpenTTD from that string shouldn't be hard, and fine also 20:16:23 <Ammler> well, "want" is a bit much 20:17:05 <Ammler> it works quite nice, also the gui 20:17:31 <planetmaker> uhm, I meant also "Do you want the OpenGFX version visible there" ;-) 20:18:04 <planetmaker> and "want" in a non-demanding translation ;-) 20:18:09 <Ammler> if you ask that way, no, it is fine :-P 20:18:48 <planetmaker> but it would be the only place a player saw the version, would it? 20:19:07 <Ammler> on TTDPatch, yes 20:20:09 <Ammler> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?t=44560 <-- updated a bit 20:20:09 <planetmaker> well. OpenTTD obviously not. Chinese looks funny though, with the "General Public license 2" sprinkled between chinese characters ;-) 20:20:10 <Webster> Title: Transport Tycoon Forums • View topic - [TTDP] OpenGFX for TTDPatch 0.2.1 (at www.tt-forums.net) 20:20:58 <Ammler> hmm, someone could think it is ttdpatch version 0.2.1 20:21:28 *** Hyronymus has quit IRC 20:22:01 <planetmaker> ;-) 20:23:19 <planetmaker> Ammler: if you like, prepare a patch in order to make a opengfx4ttdp target in the makefile 20:23:32 <planetmaker> it could basically be to use the normal build and then a cp or so 20:23:47 <PeterT> <Ammler> updated a bit <-- I saw, I like it 20:24:15 <Ammler> PeterT: do you still use ttdpatch? 20:24:42 <PeterT> No, but I wanted to test this update 20:24:44 <Ammler> wow, already 5 downloads ;-) 20:24:44 <PeterT> I have installed 20:24:52 <PeterT> just not used very often 20:24:55 <Ammler> @wiki ttdpatch 20:24:58 <Webster> TTDPatch - #openttdcoop Wiki - http://wiki.openttdcoop.org/Special:Search?go=Go&search=ttdpatch 20:44:48 <Ammler> hmm, isn't cosinus of pi 1? 20:45:21 <planetmaker> -1 20:46:26 <planetmaker> @calc cos(pi) 20:46:26 <Webster> planetmaker: -1 20:46:31 <planetmaker> ^^ :-) 20:48:14 <Ammler> majonaise :-$ 20:48:32 <planetmaker> what's up? 20:48:41 <Ammler> it is shame 20:48:52 <planetmaker> it's quite good that it is this way :-P 20:49:29 <Ammler> that might be true, but I should have known it 20:49:41 <planetmaker> I won't contradict ;-) 20:57:09 <Ammler> maybe I mixed with 0 20:57:34 <planetmaker> just turn sufficiently often and you'll come to the number you hoped for anyway :-P 21:10:26 <planetmaker> Hm, I guess for simplicity's sake, I'll skip the OpenGFX version number in ogfxe_base.pnfo. You agree, Ammler ? 21:22:35 <Ammler> hehe, yes :-) 21:22:36 *** Chris_Booth has quit IRC 21:22:51 <planetmaker> though... I have it now working that I define it via gcc command line ;-) 21:23:03 *** Chris_Booth has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 21:23:25 <planetmaker> struck me as the simpler solution used elsewhere in the other GRFS 21:25:47 <planetmaker> http://paste.openttd.org/221012 <-- can you try whether it looks ok, Ammler ? 21:43:05 <planetmaker> http://pastebin.ca/1764441 <-- changes to the opengfx readme. Comments & remarks? 21:48:34 <Ammler> http://imagebin.ca/view/nIo3mOW7.html 21:48:35 <Webster> Title: plasma-desktopft2847.jpg (at imagebin.ca) 21:50:59 <Ammler> planetmaker: the bananas section on binaries isn't fixed 21:51:11 <Ammler> according to truebrain 21:51:35 <planetmaker> fixed in the sense that it's sure that it'll remain? 21:52:09 <Ammler> yes, I would wait until openttd content service does use that too 21:52:56 <planetmaker> uhm... well. bananas. openttd.org should always link to the authors sites, if desired, shouldn't it? 21:53:20 <planetmaker> well... or maybe not. Dunno 21:57:50 <planetmaker> well. Then I leave the readme unchanged till that's decided. The rest? 21:58:10 <planetmaker> the rest of the readme changes I mean 22:02:59 <Ammler> [22:52] <Ammler> yes, I meant the other link 22:03:01 <Ammler> [22:53] <Ammler> http://binaries.openttd.org/bananas/index.html 22:03:02 <Ammler> [22:53] <Ammler> that might change... 22:03:17 <Ammler> planetmaker: rest is fine 22:03:41 <planetmaker> Yes, I meant that link, too :-) 22:03:49 <planetmaker> ok 22:03:52 <Ammler> shouldn't we complete remove sample.cat from readme? 22:04:39 <planetmaker> I thought about that 22:04:49 <Ammler> maybe that info belongs to openttd readme 22:04:52 <planetmaker> For 0.7 that's not an option, though 22:05:18 <planetmaker> except OpenTTD 0.7.x readme. But that time is past ;-) 22:05:21 <Ammler> well, I think, we should prepare opengfx for 1.0 only :-) 22:05:51 <Ammler> (and opensfx) 22:06:13 <planetmaker> Hm, ok :-) 22:06:41 <planetmaker> Let's scrap the old, non-1.0 unreliable, unfinished stuff :-P 22:38:53 <Webster> Latest update from devactivity: FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 559: Change: debug parameter now a bit mask <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/firs/repository/revisions/559> || FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 558: Feature: debug parameter (currently second param) t... <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/firs/repository/revisions/558> || FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 556: Change: converted tile cargo acceptance limits to d... <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/firs/repository/revisions/556> || FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 557: Change: industry callback code for cargo acceptance... <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/firs/repository/revisions/557> 22:55:22 <Webster> Latest update from devactivity: FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 560: Change: Manufacturing Industries stub for variable ... <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/firs/repository/revisions/560> 23:11:24 <Webster> Latest update from devactivity: FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 561: Fix: mistake with manufacturing template text windo... <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/firs/repository/revisions/561> 23:11:55 *** ODM has quit IRC 23:27:27 <Webster> Latest update from devactivity: FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 562: Change: added texts for Manufacturing Supply accept... <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/firs/repository/revisions/562>