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Log for #openttdcoop.devzone on 7th February 2010:
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03:15:26  <DJNekkid> if anyone is on, can someone try to type in my nick?
03:15:48  <PeterT> DJNekkid
03:15:53  <DJNekkid> i wanna see if its catched and writen in my status-window ... if not i need another irc-client...
03:16:03  <DJNekkid> hmm ...
03:16:08  <DJNekkid> its not...
03:16:13  <PeterT> Get YChat
03:16:25  <DJNekkid> i use xchat atm
03:16:26  <PeterT> Oh, wait
03:16:36  <PeterT> Get Konversation! hellz yeaH!
03:16:38  <PeterT> you have linux
03:16:43  <PeterT> konversation > xchat
03:16:44  <DJNekkid> yes...
03:17:11  <DJNekkid> im on via VNC to my linux server
03:17:23  <DJNekkid> where im supposed to be "always on"
03:17:26  <PeterT> VNC?
03:17:37  <DJNekkid> "remote desktop"
03:17:41  <PeterT> Ah
03:17:55  <DJNekkid> as my laptop is often taken offline...
03:18:26  <DJNekkid> and; i can be on at work, w/o installing any software on my work computer
03:18:36  <DJNekkid> all i need is ultravnc.ece
03:18:38  <DJNekkid> .exe
03:19:08  <DJNekkid> konversation is GUI yes?
03:19:21  <PeterT> Yes, it's very nice!
03:19:32  <DJNekkid> hmm, not available via yum
03:21:58  <DJNekkid> and the .rpm needs some dependencies...
03:22:01  <DJNekkid> *sigh*
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03:35:46  <DJNekkid> what the crap do i open *.bin files with?
03:35:55  <DJNekkid> *.rpm.bin
03:42:19  <Webster> Latest update from devactivity: World Airliners Set - Revision 595: Hopefully fixed AirCanada Filename Problem <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/worldairlineset/repository/revisions/595> || Redmine - Revision 3221: Fixed: error raised when trying to view the gantt or calendar with a gro... <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/redmine/repository/revisions/3221> || Redmine - Revision 3220: Fixed: deprecation warning in reposman.rb (#4736). <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/redmine/repository/revisions/3220> || Redmine - Revision 3219: Do not show 'Quote' links on locked topics (#4749). <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/redmine/repository/revisions/3219> || Redmine - Revision 3218: Removes overflow:auto on #content which broke the fix in r2118 (#4724). <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/redmine/repository/revisions/3218> || Redmine - Revision 3217: Fixed: error messages displayed twice when creating a group (#4715). <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/redmine/repository/revisions/3217> || Redmine - Revision 3216: Renames WikiFormatting.cache to .cache_store <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/redmine/repository/revisions/3216> || Redmine - Revision 3215: Adds pagination to forum messages (#4664). <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/redmine/repository/revisions/3215> || Redmine - Revision 3214: Adds a setting to cache textile rendering (off by default). <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/redmine/repository/revisions/3214> || Redmine - Revision 3213: Adds a permission for exporting wiki pages. <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/redmine/repository/revisions/3213>
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11:48:06  <dragonhorseboy> hey
11:57:40  <ODM> mornin
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12:02:23  <dragonhorseboy> hey odm
12:07:42  <ODM> hmm seems dutch trainset work is a bit dead:O
12:18:14  <dragonhorseboy> odm heh I've looked at the dutch set site on and off over time :S
12:18:46  <ODM> but nothing?
12:21:15  <ODM> to be hoenst i havent changed my log thingy in ages aswell
12:21:23  <ODM> but ive got some ideas to pick it up again
12:22:04  <dragonhorseboy> heh
12:22:21  <dragonhorseboy> odm well I'm sorta waiting for dutch to be more or less a completed set (mu units as well)
12:22:49  <ODM> can you tell me how complete/useful it is right now? im making a game, but not sure if i should use the alpha
12:24:38  <ODM> heh, brilliant, leg profit is an advanced setting, but its not in the manual:D
12:27:25  <KenjiE20> I presume a leg is each vehicle that has the order 'transfer'
12:28:21  <ODM> i assume that it is the percentage of the money the feeder gets, over his own part of the trip
12:28:27  <ODM> but it could be something weirder
12:29:40  <ODM> im now tring to guess the name for it ingame:D
12:33:07  <dragonhorseboy> odm so what do you usually work on? :)
12:34:13  <ODM> not much:P
12:34:22  <ODM> i did the thingy that builds stats from ottdc logs
12:34:36  <ODM> im not really into the openttd/grf coding
12:34:49  <ODM> im a sucky artist, and ive seen the newgrf code... it frightens me^^
12:35:07  <KenjiE20> FEEDER_PAYMENT_SHARE <-- ODM
12:35:19  <dragonhorseboy> odm ah ok :P
12:35:23  <ODM> oh come on i never wouldve guessed that:P
12:35:24  <ODM> thanks:)
12:35:42  * KenjiE20 trawled back through the vcs :P
12:35:59  <KenjiE20> profit = profit * _settings_game.economy.feeder_payment_share / 100;
12:36:22  <ODM> heh
12:36:29  <KenjiE20> that's it
12:36:53  <ODM> and at the delivery of the actual cargo it is taken off? i imagine
12:36:56  <KenjiE20> that, a save bump, and some settings strings
12:37:25  <KenjiE20> src/economy.cpp:1070
12:53:32  <ODM> hmm, i cant click many random industries in scenario editor
12:53:33  <ODM> thats weird
12:53:42  <ODM> oh might need a town first:p
12:56:57  <ODM> hm nop thats not it
12:57:24  <KenjiE20> many same industries per town on?
12:57:33  <ODM> yes
12:57:46  <ODM> changed the manual primary construction setting a bit fixed it
12:57:49  <ODM> weird:p
12:58:33  <KenjiE20> hm, worked straight away for me
12:58:52  <KenjiE20> and primary is set to none
13:00:12  <ODM> right, weird
13:56:36  <Ammler> looks like the server dies?
13:56:49  <KenjiE20> a while ago yes
14:05:25  <ODM> which one?:P
14:06:04  <Ammler> silly, if redmine tries to fetch the new 32bpp projects
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14:14:11  <Ammler> shouldn't be possible that you break the whole server with a wrong setting in the DevZone :-)
14:14:21  <Ammler> but should work again now.
14:15:30  <Webster> Latest update from devactivity: 32bpp-extra - Revision 0: Add:Makefile, based upon OpenGFX, thanks to Planetmaker <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/32bpp-extra/repository/revisions/0>
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15:04:12  <Webster> Latest update from devactivity: World Airliners Set - Revision 596: Fixed Compile failure on r595 <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/worldairlineset/repository/revisions/596>
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15:21:28  <dragonhorseboy> ammler you around? :)
15:22:09  <PeterT> [09:14:14] <Ammler> but should work again now.
15:22:17  <PeterT> not too long ago
15:22:41  <dragonhorseboy> thanks petert
15:22:48  <PeterT> yeap
15:27:11  <dragonhorseboy> just wanted ask about borrwing chucks of the basecost grf codes ^_^
15:28:39  <ODM> borrowing? lol:P
15:30:18  <PeterT> Umm, who is "32bpp Test"? http://www.openttd.org/en/server/26167
15:33:34  <dragonhorseboy> odm yeah I want adjust the default cost multiplier in the game .. and the basecost grf seem like best way to do that
15:50:49  <Ammler> dragonhorseboy: my things are public domain or gpl
15:51:04  <Ammler> but useable is another case ;-)
15:56:58  <dragonhorseboy> heh
15:57:08  <dragonhorseboy> ok I'll see whatever goes when the coding finally starts .. ty ;)
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16:50:36  <dragonhorseboy> ammler you still there?
16:53:21  <PeterT> dragonhorseboy: Just ask the question, he will answer when he sees it... hopefully ;-)
16:53:28  <dragonhorseboy> heh
16:53:50  <dragonhorseboy> ammler could more than one instance of basecostmod3 grf be used on one game?
16:56:30  <Webster> Latest update from devactivity: 32bpp-extra - Revision 1: Add: Makefile additional files, based on opengfx, modified to create 32... <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/32bpp-extra/repository/revisions/1>
17:00:50  <Ammler> dragonhorseboy: if you "hack" the GRFID
17:01:05  <Ammler> but I can also quite easy extend it, if needed
17:01:10  <dragonhorseboy> heh ok
17:01:25  <dragonhorseboy> I was just wondering about setting five parameters in one then another 2-5 different one in the second instance of it etc
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17:04:13  <Ammler> you you would need 2 more?
17:06:10  <Ammler> you could btw. still use pb_build and then my grf, didn't try
17:06:16  <dragonhorseboy> well I dunno how many but was just thinking how it could be interesting to raise specific rail and road prices in one game .. and that would be at least 8+ parameters
17:06:24  <Ammler> or my basecost2
17:06:28  <dragonhorseboy> ammler...nah pb_build is useless unless the tunnel cost could be disabled...figured
17:06:50  <Ammler> yes, but that you could do with my grf after it.
17:06:59  <dragonhorseboy> hmm you got a point there
17:17:08  <Ammler> PeterT: how is Autopilot?
17:17:14  <PeterT> I still need Expect
17:17:19  <Ammler> :-)
17:17:24  <PeterT> I'm just waiting for someone on the forums to help me
17:17:28  <Ammler> http://community.activestate.com/forum-topic/could-not-spawn-command-a
17:17:29  <Webster> Title: could not spawn command anything. | ActiveState Community Site (at community.activestate.com)
17:22:22  <PeterT> what about that page? that isn't my error at all
17:23:06  <Ammler> you could try the script
17:23:20  <Ammler> so you know, if it is expect or something else
17:23:37  <PeterT> the one that is on that page?
17:23:56  <Ammler> yes, the little ping thing
17:24:40  <PeterT> I know it's because MSYS cannot find Expect
17:28:07  <Ammler> ah nvm then, you still use msys...
17:31:44  <PeterT> What should I be using, Ammler?
17:34:09  <PeterT> Ammler, I just did tclsh autopilot.tcl and it is working much better
17:34:18  <PeterT> I shall post my new error
17:34:49  <PeterT> 12:34!!!
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17:42:23  <PeterT> Ammler: http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=854122#p854122
17:42:24  <Webster> Title: Transport Tycoon Forums • View topic - Package 'Expect' for AutoPilot on Windows (at www.tt-forums.net)
17:43:22  <Ammler> on #openttd, someone posted a python wrapper, btw.
17:43:26  <Ammler> he coded it over night
17:43:39  <Ammler> maybe that is better for you.
17:43:53  <KenjiE20> won't that use pyexpect ?
17:44:15  <PeterT> python wrapper?
17:45:27  <PeterT> what is that?
17:49:13  <Ammler> KenjiE20: I am sure, it will have lib which PeterT can't find either ;-)
17:49:41  <KenjiE20> heh
17:49:44  <Ammler> PeterT: search the channel for it
17:50:02  <Ammler> dropbox link
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17:51:09  <PeterT> @logs
17:51:09  <Webster> Logs: http://hyru.ath.cx:60080/~kenji/ottdcoop/
17:52:19  <PeterT> I got a server to start running, but then came this error: http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=854122#p854122
17:52:20  <Webster> Title: Transport Tycoon Forums • View topic - Package 'Expect' for AutoPilot on Windows (at www.tt-forums.net)
17:52:47  <Ammler> PeterT: I gave up
17:52:53  <Ammler> it is still expect
17:52:55  <PeterT> oh
18:26:59  <Ammler> PeterT: and I meant the other channel
18:27:05  <PeterT> which?
18:27:07  <PeterT> #openttd?
18:27:45  <Ammler> do you ever read what others type?
18:28:11  <PeterT> Sorry, I'm doing many things at once
18:28:14  <PeterT> I see...
18:28:18  <PeterT> [12:43:13] <Ammler> on #openttd, someone posted a python wrapper, btw.
18:28:22  <andythenorth> do fewer things better :P
19:00:09  <Webster> Latest update from devactivity: FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 580: Change: modified prop 1A windfarm <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/firs/repository/revisions/580>
19:03:59  <Chris_Booth> Ammler: you have any idea why the H2H i downloaded yesterday fails big time?
19:05:05  <Ammler> just wait for yexo...
19:07:30  <Chris_Booth> that could be years
19:08:10  <Ammler> hmm, he does update quite often, imo
19:13:48  <Chris_Booth> ok Ammler but this is a major major fail
19:14:00  <Chris_Booth> you cant give anythnig orders
19:14:01  <Chris_Booth> to a stations
19:14:08  <Chris_Booth> but can give orders to depots
19:14:20  <Ammler> that is why he asked you to test it first :-)
19:14:49  <Ammler> so we don't need to run a whole server to know it doesn't work
19:16:11  <Chris_Booth> Yexo never asked me to test it
19:16:16  <Chris_Booth> i just want a game last night
19:16:31  <Chris_Booth> with PeterT but could as we could give orders
19:16:51  <PeterT> Yes, we were playing and orders weren't working
19:17:08  <PeterT> Ammler: Good, now we have a bug to fix
19:19:22  <Ammler> well, he asked the channel
19:20:50  <Chris_Booth> i asked anyone
19:21:20  <Chris_Booth> actualy i asked Ammler
20:09:02  <PeterT> Restart in linux...
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20:16:21  <Webster> Latest update from devactivity: 32bpp-extra - Revision 3: Change: Only the authors of the ogfxe_extra.grf are needed <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/32bpp-extra/repository/revisions/3> || 32bpp-extra - Revision 2: Add: Initial version of the docs <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/32bpp-extra/repository/revisions/2>
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20:31:26  <Webster> Latest update from devactivity: 32bpp-extra - Revision 4: Add: Let's show OpenGfx graphics where no 32bpp replacement is present <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/32bpp-extra/repository/revisions/4>
20:33:20  <Ammler> hmm
20:33:37  <Ammler> that isn't compatible with default set ^
20:34:04  <Ammler> !s/default/ttd original/
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21:40:50  <dragonhorseboy> hey
21:49:38  <dragonhorseboy> ammler did you said that basecost3 could be set on the fly in-game rather than having to be set beforehand?
21:50:16  <Ammler> that has nothing to do with the grf
21:50:23  <Ammler> it is a trunk feature
21:50:34  <dragonhorseboy> ohh ok
21:50:42  <Ammler> base costs aren't in the save anymore
21:51:21  <Ammler> but you can do that also on old versions, just a bit complicater with scenario editor
21:52:46  <dragonhorseboy> hm is there any limit to how large the value could be in version 3.0?
21:53:00  <Ammler> the limits are the spec
21:53:55  <dragonhorseboy> ...?
21:54:46  <Ammler> what openttd allows is possible with it.
21:54:54  <Ammler> (or ttdpatch)
21:55:19  <dragonhorseboy> hmmm could be interesting to see if ottd would take to demanding ,000 for a single road tile .. lol
21:55:27  <dragonhorseboy> heh bit silly idea
21:56:31  <dragonhorseboy> thanks anyhow ammler
22:05:48  <dragonhorseboy> ammler how did they get away with letting any air stuff be so CHEAPly priced in either games? blah :p
22:05:57  <dragonhorseboy> guess I might never know
22:06:02  <Hirundo> define 'they' ?
22:06:32  <dragonhorseboy> any planes? ;)
22:06:44  <dragonhorseboy> and btw hey hirundo..didn't think you would be still around
22:07:12  <Hirundo> 'how did any planes get away with...' you're sure you mean that?
22:08:14  <dragonhorseboy> well every single time I play any sort of game with planes..its too easy to in ten years get carried away in having millions of cash.. regardingly of which grf (default included)
22:08:34  <dragonhorseboy> so I guess thats why basecost2's always been one of my default grf
22:08:45  <Hirundo> Remember that TTD was 256^2, so less distance -> less money
22:09:01  <dragonhorseboy> true that as well
22:11:16  <Hirundo> Anyways I'll no longer be around to bother you for now, goodnight
22:11:21  <dragonhorseboy> heh
22:11:35  <dragonhorseboy> well I've had enough of the IS game for now too if thats what you meant
22:11:39  <dragonhorseboy> bye anyhow
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22:37:51  <Webster> Latest update from devactivity: 32bpp-extra - Revision 5: Feature: making the grf should be possible now, 8bpp coast probably not... <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/32bpp-extra/repository/revisions/5>
22:47:37  <PeterT> Hello
22:47:44  <PeterT> What is the svn repo for Avignon?
22:54:25  <Chris_Booth> PeterT: http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/avignon
22:54:40  <PeterT> The repo
22:54:46  <PeterT> I was already at that page
22:55:00  <PeterT> I want to checkout
22:55:58  <Chris_Booth> have you check the repo?
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22:56:22  <PeterT> if you mean this, yes > http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/avignon/repository
22:57:21  <PeterT> it doesn't seem to be here, either: http://svn.openttdcoop.org/tools/
22:57:50  <Chris_Booth> its osia project ask him
22:58:02  <Chris_Booth> he is currently in the main channel
22:58:18  <PeterT> Main channel?
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23:09:18  <Webster> Latest update from devactivity: 32bpp-extra - Bug #738 (New): Fix 32bpp_extra.pnfo for non temperate climates <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/738>
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23:15:31  <Ammler> [23:47] <PeterT> What is the svn repo for Avignon?
23:15:32  <Ammler> [23:54] <Chris_Booth> PeterT: http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/avignon
23:15:41  <Ammler> check the homepage linked there
23:16:03  <PeterT> damn it, I just left linux
23:16:30  <Ammler> but also Avignon will need expect
23:17:05  <PeterT> On linux I have expect
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23:30:14  <PeterT> Ammler: Ok, I am on the site
23:56:07  <Webster> Latest update from devactivity: 32bpp-extra - Support #739 (New): Compatibility to every base set. <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/739>
23:56:50  <PeterT> Ammler, how is that possible? ^^

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