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Log for #openttdcoop.devzone on 25th February 2010:
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00:13:59  <Webster> Latest update from devactivity: OpenMSX - Revision 4: Add: Several translations of the set's description <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/openmsx/repository/revisions/4>
00:16:21  <Rubidium> planetmaker: I propose to order the languages/translations alphabetically on ISO code
00:16:31  <Rubidium> makes it easier to find a translation later on
00:16:50  <planetmaker> true. I'll mind that upon the next change / addition there
00:31:50  <PeterT> Ammler: ?
00:31:55  <PeterT> I have another patch for you
00:32:00  <PeterT> Can you review it quickly?
00:32:05  <PeterT> I just wrote it by example
00:32:15  <PeterT> from the previous ap+ code
00:33:49  <PeterT> http://users.tt-forums.net/petert/files/invite.diff
00:34:03  <PeterT> It's *supposed* to allow ap+ to join any channel on invite
00:37:34  <Ammler> no need, already supported
00:37:54  <PeterT> Really?
00:37:55  <PeterT> Hmph
00:37:58  <PeterT> Where?
00:38:02  <PeterT> irc.tcl?
00:38:37  <Ammler> hmm, what happens, if you invite ap+ which is already in a channel?
00:39:34  <Ammler> Rubidium: how to get the source of GPLd grf on bananas without any author and link?
00:39:59  <Rubidium> good question
00:40:07  <PeterT> Ammler: Don't know
00:40:11  <Ammler> example "Altered Costs and Prices"
00:40:21  <PeterT> Ammler: What i saw in the code was that it would join only the channel mentioned in the config
00:40:29  <Ammler> PeterT: please do first test your code self...
00:40:37  <PeterT> "# we join OUR channel on ANY invite!
00:40:38  <PeterT> "
00:40:49  <PeterT> Ok, sorry
00:43:36  <Ammler> Rubidium: also if the grf itself is the "source", you still would need to credit it...
00:44:15  <Rubidium> Ammler: I'm waiting for TB to rewrite bananas
00:44:24  <Ammler> GPL without name should be forbidden
00:45:23  <Rubidium> might also be some moron who uploaded someone else's grf
00:45:52  <Ammler> dunno, if it is allowed to license something anonymously anyway.
00:46:07  <Ammler> (also CC)
00:48:54  <Ammler> PeterT: I just wonder what would happen, if ap+ joins a 2nd channel and you run !commands
00:48:59  <Ammler> where goes the answers?
00:49:14  <Ammler> ap+ might simply not be coded for that
00:49:18  <PeterT> That is an issue at pyottdirc, and python bot
00:49:34  <PeterT> my knowledge of TCL wouldn't be able to solve that
00:50:05  <PeterT> well, I think when ProZone was in #openttdcoop.pro and #openttdcoop.bots, it only responded to !commands in the channel they were asked for
00:50:15  <Ammler> well, ap+ has "channels" like reply or everywhere or game or irc or console etc.
00:50:31  <Ammler> that was AV
00:50:56  <Ammler> Avignon will explicit support multiple channels
00:51:19  <Ammler> e.g. for logging
00:51:22  <PeterT> right, ::ap::reply::
00:51:36  <Ammler> a channel which prints the docommands ;-)
00:51:51  <PeterT> That would be nice
00:52:12  <PeterT> Ammler: How do the people at #openttdcoop see the logs given by the bb patch?
00:52:58  <Ammler> we pipe the console to a file and the file is read by filter script
00:53:07  <Ammler> like irc log files
00:53:39  <PeterT> Oh, so they are available on some secret website?
00:53:42  <Ammler> that is still very hacky
00:54:11  <Ammler> PeterT: yes the same page we use for scenario uploading and such
00:54:18  <PeterT> ?
00:54:21  <PeterT> what page is that?
00:54:22  <Ammler> for our non-ssh guys
00:55:31  <Ammler> http://trac.openttdcoop.org/browser/tools/webconfig
00:55:37  <Ammler> but that is very outdated
00:55:52  <Ammler> for example it can't read new cfg format anymore
00:56:00  <Ammler> which is new since 0.6?
00:56:34  <PeterT> I'm a bit lost
00:56:41  <PeterT> so that is where you have your scenario uploading/
00:56:42  <PeterT> ?
00:57:32  <Ammler> that is the php scripts I once made for it
00:58:54  <KenjiE20> heh
00:59:25  <Ammler> but we still use files.php
01:00:46  <Ammler> a German guy did start (again) with #webottd
01:01:29  <KenjiE20> http://tinyurl.com/ye88nk3 <-- in full debuggy glory
01:02:21  <Rubidium> planetmaker: can I commit and push all open??x repositories?
01:02:37  <planetmaker> yes
01:02:43  <planetmaker> sure
01:02:54  <Ammler> KenjiE20: nice :-)
01:03:42  <KenjiE20> it's getting there
01:16:40  <Webster> Latest update from devactivity: OpenGFX - Revision 302: -Update: Czech, Spanish, Finnish, French and Italian description translation <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/opengfx/repository/revisions/302> || OpenMSX - Revision 5: -Update: French and Swedish description translation <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/openmsx/repository/revisions/5> || OpenSFX - Revision 72: -Update: Czech, Dutch, Finnish, French, Hungarian, Italian, Spanish and Sw... <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/opensfx/repository/revisions/72>
02:01:17  <PeterT> Ammler: So, what other features does ap+ need? :-P
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03:55:32  <Webster> Latest update from devactivity: Autopilot - Patch #750: Hungarian Translations <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/750#change-2020>
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10:15:53  <DJNekkid> is firs' grf-id FIRS ?
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11:12:22  <Rubidium> yay 25% of the base set translations are done :)
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12:03:38  <Ammler> DJNekkid: http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/firs/repository/entry/Makefile.config#L10 <-- almost :-)
12:04:58  <planetmaker> F1 25 00 11 <-- DJNekkid
12:05:13  <Ammler> ?
12:05:26  <planetmaker> GRFID FIRS?
12:05:34  <Ammler> check my link :-P
12:05:51  <planetmaker> well ;-)
12:05:59  <planetmaker> I just had it open as I play with makefiles ;-)
12:06:14  <planetmaker> 2cctrainset seems to work with the modular makefile
12:06:18  <planetmaker> testing now others ;-)
12:07:16  <Ammler> do you remove dependency check for clean?
12:08:37  <planetmaker> I first have to add a dependency check in the first place ;-)
12:09:28  <planetmaker> that's a piece which I didn't rewrite so far but which I cannot reuse either
12:14:25  <Ammler> he?
12:23:50  <planetmaker> the current dependency checks suck majorly
12:24:07  <planetmaker> So I want to come up with a more fail-proof way
12:24:31  <planetmaker> e.g. the current one never worked with 2cctrainset as files are included everywhere, but not only in the main file
12:24:42  <planetmaker> This problem is intrinsic to the use of templates
12:24:49  <planetmaker> So... something has to be done about that.
12:25:05  <planetmaker> Maybe I write a script like generate_dep.py ;-)
12:25:42  <Ammler> well, then the "builder" from yorick might be a serious idea
12:27:01  <planetmaker> well... not now ;-)
12:27:08  <Ammler> KenjiE20: we could remove the link to irc
12:27:08  <planetmaker> The principle can be re-used, I think
12:27:15  <planetmaker> Just more thoroughly
12:27:21  <Ammler> I mean, before you start to write other python scripts
12:27:24  <planetmaker> and checking files recursively
12:27:38  <planetmaker> hm, maybe
12:27:39  <KenjiE20> huh?
12:28:06  <Ammler> I would quite expect, that builder does already have dependency checks in the framework
12:28:21  <Ammler> KenjiE20: to irc logs
12:28:23  <Ammler> @topic
12:28:23  <Webster> Ammler: Talk about things hosted and developed on http://dev.openttdcoop.org | Logs: http://dev.openttdcoop.org/irclogs | Downloads log: http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/log.csv
12:28:34  <Ammler> @logs
12:28:34  <Webster> Logs: http://hyru.ath.cx:60080/~kenji/ottdcoop/
12:29:23  <KenjiE20> ah that one
12:29:58  <Ammler> @wiki irc
12:30:01  <KenjiE20> that one does have searching mind
12:30:04  <Webster> IRC - #openttdcoop Wiki - http://wiki.openttdcoop.org/Special:Search?go=Go&search=irc
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17:52:13  <DJNekkid> hi all!
17:52:58  <Frankr> hello DJ
18:01:55  <DJNekkid> hows it hanging?
18:02:00  <DJNekkid> and, dont say "up" :)
18:19:25  <Frankr> lol, i'm gd
18:19:39  <Frankr> doing a bit of re-writing, how about yourself
18:38:34  <DJNekkid> OMGOMGOMGOMGOMGOMGOMGOMG!
18:38:51  <DJNekkid> O-EM-F'ING-G
18:39:26  <DJNekkid> we can use CB36 to add 15bits of both running and P-costs
18:40:49  <Frankr> :)
18:40:56  <DJNekkid> i.e. 37768
18:41:13  <Frankr> how
18:41:29  <DJNekkid> callback 36
18:42:00  <Frankr> yh i mean how though
18:42:26  <DJNekkid> like any other thing with CB36...
18:42:39  <DJNekkid> just add it in it'ts "10"
18:42:45  <DJNekkid> with the proper property
18:42:53  <Frankr> ah
18:43:14  <DJNekkid> and if you need more then 255 just add it to the "80"
18:43:15  <planetmaker> @calc 2**15
18:43:15  <Webster> planetmaker: 32768
18:43:17  <planetmaker> ;-)
18:43:40  <DJNekkid> i.e.
18:43:48  <DJNekkid> \b00 81 = 256
18:43:49  <Frankr> nevermind pm, i can live with 500 less, :)
18:43:56  <Frankr> yh
18:44:04  <DJNekkid> ehm, i did mean 32768
18:44:10  <Frankr> :)
18:44:13  <planetmaker> ;-)
18:44:20  * planetmaker goes feeding
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18:44:48  * DJNekkid puts some hey in planetmaker tray
18:44:59  * DJNekkid pets planetmaker 
18:45:04  <planetmaker> yummy
18:45:25  <Frankr> has someone comment on your fs DJ
18:45:31  <Frankr> is that how you found out
18:45:32  <DJNekkid> froch
18:45:40  <Frankr> frosch again :)
18:46:31  <DJNekkid> so...
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18:46:45  <Frankr> has that made your day DJ, what is your next dream
18:46:54  <DJNekkid> implement it!
18:46:57  <Frankr> can it be range since your in luck, :)
18:47:04  <Frankr> i will
18:47:16  <DJNekkid> i ment
18:47:28  <DJNekkid> my next dream ... implement it
18:47:33  <Frankr> lol
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18:48:41  <DJNekkid> as it needs massive "rewrite" of the excel sheet
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18:49:14  <Frankr> but worth it
18:49:20  <Frankr> i'm lucky
18:49:34  <Frankr> i'm was re-writing the sheet just a few days ago
18:49:40  <Frankr> and so it isn't finished
18:53:40  <Ammler> using excelsheet is bad anyway
18:54:08  <Frankr> why is that Ammler?
18:54:28  <Ammler> because you don't have history
18:54:43  <Ammler> and you can't parse it directly
19:04:16  <DJNekkid> as saied before ...
19:04:38  <DJNekkid> if anyone wanna do calculations directly, be my guest
19:04:46  <DJNekkid> but that is not my field of expertese
19:10:04  <Ammler> you don't need, just save the result in txt file :-)
19:19:50  <Webster> Latest update from devactivity: Avignon - Revision 572: -Change: typo fixes (PeterT) <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/avignon/repository/revisions/572> || Redmine - Revision 3325: Fixed: changing user/roles of project member not possible without javasc... <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/redmine/repository/revisions/3325> || Redmine - Revision 3324: Fixed: projects are referenced by id in search results. <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/redmine/repository/revisions/3324> || Redmine - Revision 3323: Makes project identifiers searchable (#4897). <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/redmine/repository/revisions/3323> || Redmine - Revision 3322: Refactor: Start to extract IssuesController#edit into #update (REST). <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/redmine/repository/revisions/3322>
19:53:08  <Frankr> DJNekkid
19:54:46  <Frankr> have you changed the train loading speed?
19:55:27  <DJNekkid> omg what a grin on Marit Bjørgens face!
19:55:36  <DJNekkid> 8-20-60, depending on class
19:55:55  <Frankr> 60 being metros?
19:56:02  <DJNekkid> IC = 8, commuter = 20, 60 = metro
19:56:34  <Frankr> right well just working on some pax loading for WAS atm, thanks
19:56:56  <DJNekkid> 2ccset + WAS = <3    ? :)
19:57:00  <Frankr> A380 is on 19
19:57:06  <Frankr> so that fits quite well
19:57:12  <DJNekkid> yea
19:57:17  <Frankr> 747 is 15
19:57:33  <Frankr> 737's range from 12 to 17
19:57:45  <Frankr> so they seem to fit in quite well
19:57:59  <DJNekkid> aye! :)
20:41:46  <DJNekkid> hmm
20:41:56  <DJNekkid> why dont "tr" work in linux as it used to in windows
20:42:00  <DJNekkid> it wont give me new lines
20:42:41  <planetmaker> newer / other version?
20:42:48  <planetmaker> missing parameter?
20:42:53  <planetmaker> other line breaks?
20:43:27  <DJNekkid> i try
20:43:42  <DJNekkid> tr -s , \n <a0.txt >action0.pnfo
20:43:57  <DJNekkid> and it just removes the comma and inserts an n
20:44:09  <planetmaker> ah
20:44:28  <planetmaker> I've seen  that before. But I don't remember the solution.
20:44:39  <planetmaker> Using \n as new line does not work
20:44:46  <DJNekkid> i tried \r as well
20:44:54  <DJNekkid> but it replace the comma with an R
20:45:47  <planetmaker> yes...
20:46:07  <planetmaker> also \t for tabs won't work
20:46:29  <planetmaker> try \n
20:46:32  <planetmaker> in the command line
20:47:01  <DJNekkid> tr -s ....... \n .... ?
20:47:06  <DJNekkid> instaed of \n ?
20:47:25  <DJNekkid> works :)
20:59:19  <planetmaker> alternatively also '\n' would work. Maybe ;-)
21:00:00  <Ammler> "\n"
21:00:29  <Ammler> oh
21:00:44  <DJNekkid> but double (back)slash worked
21:17:22  <Ammler> DJNekkid: in about an hour, we aren't friends for a 2 hours :-P
21:28:40  <DJNekkid> closer to 3 i think :)
21:30:01  <DJNekkid> btw, if anyone is interested, im gonna broadcast todays gig...
21:30:10  <DJNekkid> http://clublife.no/tv
21:30:12  <Webster> Title: Clublife.no TV (at clublife.no)
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21:48:07  <Ammler> DJNekkid: fine, so you don't watch curling and we can stay friends :-P
21:48:21  <planetmaker> lol
21:48:39  <Ammler> sadly, I can't run 2 streams at same time ;-)
21:50:33  <Frankr> :)
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22:09:08  <DJNekkid> two streams?
22:10:25  <DJNekkid> well... im gone for a half hour or so :)
23:20:57  <Ammler> bad Swiss day...
23:21:13  <Ammler> 3 4th places seems to come
23:40:01  <Ammler> puh
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