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Log for #openttdcoop.devzone on 17th March 2010:
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00:00:16  <Ammler> no issues assigned to me anymore :-P
00:00:23  <Ammler> (on opengfx)
00:00:34  <planetmaker> you want more? ;-)
00:00:38  <Ammler> there isn't
00:00:45  <Ammler> yes, I do :-P
00:00:48  <planetmaker> trains alignments
00:00:58  <Ammler> oh
00:01:08  <Ammler> didn't you already start that case?
00:01:21  <planetmaker> and properly cutting the bubble generators into sprites so that showing them step by step looks nice
00:01:27  <planetmaker> as that's its building stages
00:01:32  <planetmaker> yes, I started with trains
00:03:07  <Ammler> splitting the stadiums was a hell
00:03:15  <planetmaker> he, i believe.
00:03:17  <Ammler> but it helped me fixing a template issue :-)
00:03:22  <planetmaker> :-)
00:03:38  <planetmaker> Born Acorns signals could be put to use.
00:03:39  <Ammler> now, I have some masks, it is quite easy to do similar things
00:03:46  <planetmaker> And DanMacK's toyland RV.
00:04:02  <Ammler> are there any tickets already?
00:04:13  <planetmaker> hm... might even be not
00:04:16  <planetmaker> they're very new
00:04:33  <Ammler> the signals is very complicated
00:04:44  <Ammler> would need o
00:04:57  <planetmaker> Can you check that out? I guess I should now quite quickly go to sleep... Another day starting at 7:30 ahead full of talks and discussions ahead for me.
00:04:59  <Ammler> but I can take a look
00:05:17  <Ammler> ok, yes, thanks and good night
00:05:22  <planetmaker> toyland RV would be nicer :-) And light signals, but we don't have sprites :-)
00:05:33  <planetmaker> i thank you. You're doing great work on OpenGFX :-)
00:05:34  <Ammler> indeed
00:05:36  <Webster> Latest update from devactivity: OpenGFX - Revision 362: Update: replace flags by nfo and pcx directly from svn.openttd.org instea... <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/opengfx/repository/revisions/362>
00:06:33  <planetmaker> good night Ammler :-)
00:06:53  <Ammler> well, I just help a bit where I can :-P
00:07:00  <planetmaker> I'm confident by now that the next release can be 0.3 :-)
00:07:46  <Ammler> I still not sure, if we should release 0.2.2 just as a kind of RC
00:07:56  <Ammler> how many do use nightlies?
00:08:39  <Ammler> since the set is complete, there isn't much motivation anymore to download a nightly ;-)
00:08:40  <planetmaker> dunno really.
00:08:53  <Ammler> oh, we have stats
00:08:58  <Rubidium> weren't there problems with the most recent nforenum?
00:09:13  <Rubidium> if so, DaleStan is now awake! You can poke him :)
00:09:26  <planetmaker> btw, Zephyris posted the OpenGFX 'can'. I'm quite sure there were some more sprites. And I like Zuu's way of filling a glass quite a lot - which his version misses. But his can is nicer. Maybe that can be combined
00:10:48  <Ammler> 18 downloads already
00:10:56  <planetmaker> of? Nightly?
00:11:06  <Ammler> yes, last
00:11:15  <Ammler> and the yesterday 54
00:11:35  <planetmaker> cool. Anyway. I'll be a wreck tomorrow, if I keep hanging around ;-)
00:11:38  * planetmaker waves
00:11:50  <Ammler> \o
00:19:20  <Ammler> he 0.2.1 got downloaded 34278 times
00:19:34  <Ammler> and that is without bananas and win installer :-)
00:19:48  <Ammler> and all the distro specific packages
00:20:19  <Ammler> also the source 2346
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01:08:40  <Webster> Latest update from devactivity: World Airliners Set - Revision 633: Major Changes to Coding Tbale Pax Tick and afew Testing Chang... <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/worldairlineset/repository/revisions/633>
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09:35:50  <andythenorth> is it possible to use CPP and a define to replace something in a text?
09:36:04  <andythenorth> some kind of escape?
09:36:52  <Hirundo> to replace something in a quoted text?
09:37:51  <andythenorth> yes
09:38:07  <andythenorth> "No coal or fuel oil has been delivered for at least 60 months"
09:38:21  <andythenorth> 60 should be replaced by something defined in cpp
09:38:36  <andythenorth> otherwise if it changes...lots of translations to change :o
09:39:03  <Hirundo> you could break out of the quotes, and then it'd work I think
09:39:05  <andythenorth> I already have this defined
09:39:09  <andythenorth> #define NUM_MONTHS_INDUSTRY_CLOSURE_PROTECTED  \d60
09:39:34  <andythenorth> If I break out of the quotes OTTD no longer displays the string correctly
09:40:18  <Hirundo> I suggest #define NUM_MONTHS_INDUSTRY_CLOSURE_PROTECTED_TEXT "60"
09:40:48  <Hirundo> And then "No coal... at least " NUM_MONTHS_TEXT " months"
09:40:54  <andythenorth> I'll try it thanks
09:41:06  <Hirundo> Since IIRC grfcodec concatenates strings automagically
09:41:55  <Hirundo> Does the text in question support using the text ref stack?
09:43:54  <andythenorth> Hirundo: it should but my code for that was buggy, life is too short to make it work :)
09:44:08  <andythenorth> Your solution works ;0
09:44:10  <andythenorth> ;)
09:44:16  <Hirundo> Then 9A 03 \w60 7E would allow localized number formatting :)
09:44:24  <Hirundo> I agree that it's kinda over the top, though
10:13:47  <Webster> Latest update from devactivity: FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 654: Change: feedback text for Power Station working <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/firs/repository/revisions/654> || Redmine - Revision 3437: Removes broken links in wiki syntax help page (#5081). <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/redmine/repository/revisions/3437> || Redmine - Revision 3436: Inlines some code to speed up large ticket history rendering. <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/redmine/repository/revisions/3436> || Redmine - Revision 3435: Fixed: Wrong label in issue-journal for subtask-changes (#5090). <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/redmine/repository/revisions/3435> || Redmine - Revision 3434: Upgrade CodeRay to 0.9.2 (#3359). <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/redmine/repository/revisions/3434>
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11:48:03  <Webster> Latest update from devactivity: OpenGFX - Feature #839 (New): 4737-4742: Fizzy drink factory <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/839>
12:04:04  <Webster> Latest update from devactivity: OpenGFX - Bug #605: make bundle in a subdir <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/605#change-2257> || OpenGFX - Feature #839: 4737-4742: Fizzy drink factory <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/839#change-2256> || OpenGFX - Feature #698: snowy sprites for oil wells missing <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/698#change-2255> || OpenGFX - Feature #820: Base files splitting <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/820#change-2254> || OpenGFX - Feature #840 (New): Signals: UK Semaphores (drive on left) <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/840>
12:20:11  <Webster> Latest update from devactivity: OpenGFX - Support #665: exporting archive <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/665#change-2258>
12:29:09  <andythenorth> Ammler: do you know much about the make file?
12:29:11  <Ammler> the "official" opengfx readme is a big mess
12:29:35  <Ammler> no idea, where to start cleanup :-)
12:29:49  <Ammler> andythenorth: it very much depends...
12:30:18  <andythenorth> It would be very useful if the output could suppress the 'Loading sprites...' message from grfcodec
12:30:29  <andythenorth> Then I could just see the errors
12:30:43  <andythenorth> would help keep things error free :)
12:30:46  <Ammler> make 1>/dev/null ?
12:31:22  <andythenorth> wouldn't that be rather a *lot* less verbose?
12:31:46  <andythenorth> does grfcodec have any switches for controlling output
12:31:48  <Ammler> or "make 1>log 2>err &"
12:31:57  <Ammler> hmm
12:32:20  <Ammler> make 1>log 2>&1 ; tail -f log
12:33:12  <Ammler> that is like the logs on the compile farm ^
12:34:18  <Ammler> hmm you need to write it in 2 lines "make 1>log 2>&1 &" and tail -f log
12:34:51  <andythenorth> what does it do exactly?
12:34:53  <Ammler> or you pipe just the errors
12:35:01  <Ammler> make 2>err
12:35:11  <Ammler> and on the end "cat err"
12:35:13  <Webster> Latest update from devactivity: OpenGFX - Feature #839: 4737-4742: Fizzy drink factory <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/839#change-2259>
12:35:49  <Ammler> 1=stdout 2=stderr
12:36:16  <Ammler> 2>&1 = print stderr to same channel then stdout
12:36:18  * andythenorth looks at the make file
12:36:36  <andythenorth> hmm
12:36:45  <andythenorth> maybe we should leave this for another day :)
12:36:52  <Ammler> make 2>err
12:36:53  <Ammler> cat err
12:37:00  <Ammler> seems quite easy
12:37:15  <Ammler> nothing to do with the Makefile, btw.
12:42:45  <Ammler> andythenorth: make | tee
12:51:09  <Ammler> DJNekkid: are you sure, rail types will be backported to 1.0?
13:16:31  <KenjiE20> weren't they in trunk before 1.0 branch?
14:15:18  <DJNekkid> Ammler: yes i am, they were in trunk before 1.0, and according to some dev (dont remember atm) all features/fixes on them will be backported
14:29:27  <V453000> :D the new fizzy drink factory looks funny
14:29:30  <V453000> nice job :)
14:31:45  <Rubidium> DJNekkid: lies!
15:10:17  <DJNekkid> Rubidium: really?
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15:41:16  <DJNekkid> @calc 5000/13
15:41:16  <Webster> DJNekkid: 384.615384615
15:43:31  <Rubidium> DJNekkid: once 1.1 is branched backporting stuff to 1.0 isn't that useful anymore
15:54:21  <DJNekkid> is 1.1 branched?
15:55:05  <PeterT> No
15:55:14  <DJNekkid> but ...
15:55:26  <DJNekkid> when 1.0 RCx turns to 1.0 stable...
15:55:39  <DJNekkid> then the backported stuff already will be in i assume!
16:27:10  <DJNekkid> ahh! this years hottest taco!
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17:21:35  <DJNekkid> yey, torrent finally works on this machine as well
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17:40:05  <Ammler> oh majonaise
17:40:27  <Ammler> in openttd-rXX.pcx are also modified graphics :-(
17:40:39  <Rubidium> ofcourse they are :)
17:40:50  <Ammler> not from you :-P
17:41:23  <Ammler> foobar replaced some graphcis directly with sprites...
17:41:57  <Ammler> for example the oneway
17:43:09  <Ammler> http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/opengfx/repository/entry/sprites/nfo/extra/extra-sloped-tracks.pnfo
17:43:17  <Ammler> but the arrows are white
17:45:34  <Ammler> oh, that is another file, but also a bit silly
17:53:00  <Webster> Latest update from devactivity: Autopilot - Patch #841 (New): Timed Auto-Kick of "Player"s <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/841>
18:09:04  <Webster> Latest update from devactivity: OpenGFX - Feature #842 (New): Replace openttd-rX.pcx files <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/842> || 2cc train set - Revision 482: Add: Native support for NuTracks <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/2cctrainset/repository/revisions/482> || Autopilot - Patch #841: Timed Auto-Kick of "Player"s <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/841#change-2260>
18:25:08  <Webster> Latest update from devactivity: OpenGFX - Revision 365: Fix (r362): remove useless comment <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/opengfx/repository/revisions/365> || OpenGFX - Revision 364: Change [#842]: own pcx for oneway graphics <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/opengfx/repository/revisions/364> || OpenGFX - Revision 363: Change [#842]: use catenary pcx from the openttd source <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/opengfx/repository/revisions/363> || Autopilot - Patch #841: Timed Auto-Kick of "Player"s <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/841#change-2261>
18:40:58  <Webster> Latest update from devactivity: Nutracks - Revision 47: Add: Native support for 2cc trainset (i.e. skips the track enablers <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/nutracks/repository/revisions/47>
18:54:57  <Ammler> ups, type in commit message :-)
18:55:17  <Ammler> he, and typo in the note about typo :-P
18:56:54  <Webster> Latest update from devactivity: OpenGFX - Revision 366: Change [#824]: gui uses +- signs from openttd, change the 2 sprites to it... <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/opengfx/repository/revisions/366> || OpenGFX - Feature #842: Replace openttd-rX.pcx files <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/842#change-2262>
19:21:22  <DJNekkid> me or you?
19:23:49  <Ammler> me of course
19:24:11  <Ammler> !s/#824/#842/
19:43:20  <Webster> Latest update from devactivity: Nutracks - Revision 48: Change: 3rd+catenary and planning tracks are always enabled (via the pesk... <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/nutracks/repository/revisions/48>
19:45:48  <DJNekkid> Ammler: around?
19:46:27  <Ammler> DJNekkid: don't do that please!
19:46:39  <DJNekkid> oki?
19:46:48  <Ammler> never ask if someone is around
19:47:11  <Ammler> maybe you should replace your irc client then :-)
19:47:29  <DJNekkid> why?
19:47:31  <DJNekkid> hehe
19:47:39  <Ammler> because I see, who is around.
19:48:00  <DJNekkid> how?
19:48:11  <Ammler> I have a user list in every channel
19:48:18  <DJNekkid> i do that as well
19:48:33  <Ammler> those who aren't around, are greyed
19:48:39  <DJNekkid> but if you are like me, i pretty much always forget to set away
19:48:57  <Ammler> everyhone else don't
19:49:07  <Ammler> :-P
19:49:08  <DJNekkid> well, either way
19:49:15  <Ammler> yes, either way
19:49:18  <Ammler> I am around ;-)
19:49:20  <PeterT> DJNekkid: just as the question
19:49:24  <PeterT> *ask
19:49:29  <DJNekkid> wanna pull Nutracks, and see how you like the new texts?
19:49:58  <Ammler> I might even not cloned it :-)
19:50:12  <DJNekkid> shal i send you the grf?
19:50:23  <Ammler> no
19:50:26  <Ammler> well
19:50:29  <DJNekkid> or, take a screenshot :)
19:50:37  <Ammler> is the nightly too old?
19:50:51  <DJNekkid> yes :)
19:52:34  <Ammler> I have pulled and made
19:52:53  <Ammler> r49M
19:53:19  <DJNekkid> now put it in your openttd-datadir, and start openttd after r19437 :)
19:53:42  <Ammler> oh :-)
19:53:47  <Ammler> our ps is older
19:57:17  <DJNekkid> and the conclution is? :)
19:57:24  <DJNekkid> you too can test PeterT  :)
19:57:25  <DJNekkid> HEHE
19:57:38  <PeterT> :-)
19:57:39  <DJNekkid> ups,caps
19:58:04  <Ammler> I would prefer lines for the planning tracks
19:59:24  <Webster> Latest update from devactivity: Nutracks - Revision 50: Fix: Depot were made with feature 12 and not 10, fixed <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/nutracks/repository/revisions/50> || OpenGFX - Feature #842: Replace openttd-rX.pcx files <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/842#change-2264> || Nutracks - Revision 49: Change: Redid string texts, as the speed in indicated by OTTD <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/nutracks/repository/revisions/49>
19:59:52  <DJNekkid> well, look at the texts
20:00:12  <Ammler> hmm, is me or do the graphics glitch on slopes from south-north?
20:01:08  <DJNekkid> seems so :)
20:03:31  <Ammler> why don't you use the real speeds?
20:03:48  <Ammler> I need trains to check how fast it can drive on the tracks?
20:03:58  <DJNekkid> real speeds?
20:04:11  <DJNekkid> that is behind the entire text
20:04:19  <DJNekkid> if you use r19437 or newer
20:04:48  <Ammler> oh, that is the reason for it
20:04:52  <Ammler> what about the depots?
20:05:00  <DJNekkid> fixed in r50
20:10:15  <DJNekkid> is the other ones out of alignment as well?
20:10:27  <DJNekkid> (the opposite ones)
20:15:04  <Ammler> very cool that is
20:15:08  <Webster> Latest update from devactivity: Nutracks - Revision 51: Fix: N-S tracks on hills were slightly misaligned, should be fixed now <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/nutracks/repository/revisions/51> || OpenGFX - Feature #842: Replace openttd-rX.pcx files <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/842#change-2265>
20:15:18  <DJNekkid> what is? :)
20:15:26  <Ammler> nuTracks
20:15:29  <DJNekkid> hehe :
20:15:31  <DJNekkid> :)
20:15:46  <DJNekkid> what about the texts on the rail-menu?
20:17:32  <Ammler> you should take speeds, which are in both metric and the crappy uk style "round" numbers
20:18:28  <Ammler> 160 seems a "bad" one
20:19:04  <Ammler> very high speed is unlimted?
20:19:08  <DJNekkid> Very low - low - medium - high - very high speed tracks
20:19:18  <Ammler> i*
20:19:32  <DJNekkid> very high is yes, unlimited
20:20:17  <DJNekkid> but, limited to the speed of the engines
20:20:29  <Ammler> of course :-D
20:20:30  <DJNekkid> and i dont really see a need to set a limit...
20:20:45  <Ammler> yes, please don't
20:21:07  <Ammler> "we" need one unlimted track :-)
20:21:11  <Ammler> for our logic things
20:21:20  <DJNekkid> yup
20:21:26  <DJNekkid> the maglev is unlimited as well
20:22:30  <Ammler> lol "Planning Tracks Enabler"
20:22:51  <Ammler> can't start it :-P
20:23:09  <DJNekkid> good!
20:23:19  <Ammler> hmm, the whole thing brings an idea to me
20:23:28  <Ammler> logic rail type
20:23:50  <DJNekkid> there is currently only 1 free slot left
20:24:07  <Ammler> with engines like a big dot or so
20:24:31  <Ammler> 1 free slot left?
20:24:36  <DJNekkid> yup...
20:24:39  <Ammler> for your set?
20:24:43  <DJNekkid> there is max 16 types in a single game
20:24:47  <DJNekkid> i currently have 15
20:24:48  <Ammler> or for another newgrf?
20:25:15  <DJNekkid> that can work :)
20:25:34  <Ammler> another grf can have again 15 types?
20:25:57  <DJNekkid> yes
20:25:59  <DJNekkid> 16
20:26:09  <DJNekkid> x00-x0F
20:26:10  <DJNekkid> :)
20:26:25  <DJNekkid> but, there can only be 16 types in a single game (as i've understood it=
20:26:26  <DJNekkid> )
20:26:35  <Ammler> what is the idea of nuTracks?
20:26:42  <Ammler> that other sets use it?
20:26:49  <Ammler> or is it for 2cc only?
20:27:27  <DJNekkid> its made with the 2cc-set in mind, but its a standalone grf, so anyone who wants to add support for it, can
20:27:40  <Ammler> if you cross different types, how does it decide which type to use for the cross?
20:27:49  <DJNekkid> i have no idea, ask peter :)
20:27:58  <DJNekkid> probably the last loaded one?
20:28:02  <Ammler> seems like the type already there
20:28:21  <DJNekkid> type?what?
20:28:42  <DJNekkid> Ammler: you can optionally use the logic engine on the planning tracks
20:28:56  <DJNekkid> perhaps that even is a good idea for the "Track Enabler" :)
20:30:15  <Ammler> hmm, you have global alignment glitch
20:30:25  <Ammler> also horizontal tracks
20:31:24  <Ammler> do you have a "testsave"?
20:31:27  <DJNekkid> nope
20:31:34  <Ammler> you should make one :-)
20:33:19  <Ammler> the s-n slope is fine now
20:33:53  <DJNekkid> :)
20:35:34  <Ammler> and you miss roadcrossing
20:35:40  <Ammler> I assume, you know that :-)
20:35:53  <DJNekkid> you are correct :)
20:36:04  <Ammler> and idea with bridges?
20:36:06  <DJNekkid> waiting for thenew gfx to arrive
20:36:11  <Seberoth> Hi Ammler
20:36:20  <Ammler> Sali Seberoth
20:36:24  <DJNekkid> no tunnels either
20:37:47  <Ammler> there is still some work left :-)
20:37:56  <DJNekkid> yea
20:38:36  <Ammler> is it possible to have different bridges per type?
20:38:49  <DJNekkid> no, dont think so
21:26:57  <DJNekkid> Ammler: do youuse ktorrent on linux?
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21:30:25  <Ammler> rtorrent
21:30:36  <Ammler> it runs on the devzone :-)
21:32:20  <DJNekkid> i use ktorrent atm,and it only wants to download one torrent at a time
21:32:29  <DJNekkid> if i load more then one, they just are "stalled"
21:32:36  <Ammler> one of the main contributors is the ttdpatch josef dexler
21:32:38  <DJNekkid> and the config dont tell it to do that
21:33:28  <Ammler> ktorrent is very nice
21:33:37  <Ammler> I would use that on a KDE system
21:33:54  <DJNekkid> im not sure if it is KDE or gnome tbh...
21:34:04  <DJNekkid> i _think_ its gnome
21:34:23  <Ammler> guess what the k means :-P
21:34:48  <Ammler> gnome is by far the ugliest WM ;-)
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21:45:07  <planetmaker> [22:43]	<Ammler>	[21:27:40] if you cross different types, how does it decide which type to use for the cross? <-- you only have ONE rail type per tile
21:45:11  <planetmaker> and good evening
21:45:33  <Ammler> planetmaker: yes, but which one will be used?
21:45:43  <Ammler> looks like the on already there
21:46:26  <planetmaker> yes. Only one.
21:46:32  <planetmaker> you cannot simply over-build
21:46:44  <planetmaker> try maglev and monorail: incompatible rail types
21:47:18  <Ammler> oh, I remeber, you are the insider ;-)
21:48:02  <planetmaker> hu?
21:48:05  <Webster> Latest update from devactivity: OpenGFX - Feature #842: Replace openttd-rX.pcx files <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/842#change-2266>
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23:20:00  <Webster> Latest update from devactivity: World Airliners Set - Revision 634: Finished Off Pax Tick Calculations on Coding Table <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/worldairlineset/repository/revisions/634>
23:35:14  <Webster> Latest update from devactivity: OpenGFX - Feature #839: 4737-4742: Fizzy drink factory <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/839#change-2267>

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