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Revision 687: Change: knocked out some cargos for unfinished chai... <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/firs/repository/revisions/687> 10:59:10 <Webster> Latest update from devactivity: FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 692: Change: probability and production for Bauxite Mine... <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/firs/repository/revisions/692> 11:06:40 *** ODM has quit IRC 11:15:51 <Webster> Latest update from devactivity: FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Feature #830 (Closed): Change content of generic industry descrip... <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/830#change-2333> || FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Feature #795 (Closed): Check production levels for other primary ... <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/795#change-2332> || FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 693: Fix: Textil Mill had incorrectly defined cb, crashi... <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/firs/repository/revisions/693> 11:31:56 <Webster> Latest update from devactivity: FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Feature #857 (New): Secondary Template C - cargos 2 and 3 need to... <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/857> 11:44:49 *** KenjiE20 has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 11:47:58 <Webster> Latest update from devactivity: OpenGFX - Bug #781: farm hedges not properly aligned <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/781#change-2335> || FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 694: Change: cleared temporary description text to an em... <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/firs/repository/revisions/694> 12:20:05 <Webster> Latest update from devactivity: HEQS "Heavy Equipment" Set - Revision 220: Change: modified speed of Speedytrac <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/heqs/repository/revisions/220> 13:08:08 <Webster> Latest update from devactivity: FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Feature #857 (Closed): Secondary Template C - cargos 2 and 3 need... <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/857#change-2336" target="_blank">http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/857#change-2336> || FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 695: Change: secondary template C now consolidates cargo... <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/firs/repository/revisions/695> || FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Feature #857 (Closed): Secondary Template C - cargos 2 and 3 need... <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/857> 13:18:08 *** Mega_work has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 13:18:13 *** Mega_work has left #openttdcoop.devzone 13:56:18 <Webster> Latest update from devactivity: FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Feature #298: parameters <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/298#change-2337> 14:11:26 *** ODM has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 15:13:45 <Webster> Latest update from devactivity: FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Feature #814 (Closed): Need a source for Gravel <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/814#change-2340> || FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 700: Change: hacked Sand Pit sprites to provide Gravel Q... <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/firs/repository/revisions/700> || FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 699: Change: updated IDs and references for Quarry (remo... <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/firs/repository/revisions/699> || FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 698: Change: Quarry now uses quarry.pcx <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/firs/repository/revisions/698> || FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 697: Change: add pcx for Quarry (copy of Sand Pit) <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/firs/repository/revisions/697> || FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 696: Change: add pnfo files for Quarry (copy of Sand Pit) <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/firs/repository/revisions/696> 15:27:21 *** Doorslammer has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 15:46:34 <Webster> Latest update from devactivity: FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 705: Change: fixed some production values for Fish Proce... <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/firs/repository/revisions/705> || FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Feature #856 (Closed): Check settings defined correctly for indus... <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/856#change-2341> || FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 702: Change: fixed some production values for Dairy <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/firs/repository/revisions/702> || FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 703: Change: fixed some production values for Furniture ... <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/firs/repository/revisions/703> || FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 704: Change: fixed some production values for Meat Packer <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/firs/repository/revisions/704> || FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 701: Change: corrected cb flags for Dairy <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/firs/repository/revisions/701> 17:41:42 *** Seberoth has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 18:14:56 *** frosch123 has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 19:09:30 <andythenorth> planetmaker: hi hi 19:11:18 <Webster> Latest update from devactivity: FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 707: Change: partial framework for handling industry ava... <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/firs/repository/revisions/707> || FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 706: Change: add intro date define to industries; remove... <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/firs/repository/revisions/706> 19:56:52 <Webster> Latest update from devactivity: FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 730: Feature: intro date for Paper Mill <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/firs/repository/revisions/730> || FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 729: Feature: intro date for Brewery <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/firs/repository/revisions/729> || FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 727: Feature: intro date for Textile Mills <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/firs/repository/revisions/727> || FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 728: Feature: intro date for Furniture Factory <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/firs/repository/revisions/728> || FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 726: Feature: intro date for Metal Foundry <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/firs/repository/revisions/726> || FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 725: Feature: intro date for Machine Shop <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/firs/repository/revisions/725> || FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 724: Feature: intro date for Steel Mill <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/firs/repository/revisions/724> || FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 723: Feature: intro date for Junk Yard <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/firs/repository/revisions/723> || FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 721: Feature: intro date for Dredging Site <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/firs/repository/revisions/721> || FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 722: Feature: intro date for Fish Processor <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/firs/repository/revisions/722> || FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 720: Feature: intro date for Bakery <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/firs/repository/revisions/720> || FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 719: Feature: intro date for Meat Packer <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/firs/repository/revisions/719> || FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 717: Feature: intro date for Oil Refinery <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/firs/repository/revisions/717> || FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 716: Feature: intro date for Oil Well <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/firs/repository/revisions/716> || FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 718: Feature: intro date for Power Station <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/firs/repository/revisions/718> 21:22:48 *** Doorslammer has quit IRC 21:29:47 <Webster> Latest update from devactivity: FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Feature #799 (Closed): Introduction dates for industries <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/799#change-2342> || FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 731: Fix: Power Station was blowing up game if cb 22 ena... <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/firs/repository/revisions/731> 21:40:44 <andythenorth> 1 ticket to do... 21:41:07 <andythenorth> and that can wait until tomorrow :) 21:43:17 *** frosch123 has quit IRC 21:45:21 <planetmaker> hello 21:45:25 <Webster> Latest update from devactivity: OpenGFX - Revision 388: Change [#662]: Apply the alignment template to all monorail and maglev wa... <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/opengfx/repository/revisions/388> || FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Feature #804 (Closed): Set base cargo rates for a standard economy <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/804#change-2344> || FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Feature #798 (Rejected): Complete basic texts <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/798#change-2343> || FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Feature #858 (New): Put industry intro dates into fund menu cb text <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/858> 21:45:36 <PeterT> how are you doing, planetmaker? 21:46:07 <planetmaker> quite fine, thanks 21:46:10 <planetmaker> How're you? 21:46:13 <PeterT> good 21:46:20 <PeterT> Did you hear - I coded my first GRF 21:46:29 <PeterT> with lots of help from andythenorth 21:46:42 <planetmaker> yeah, read it yesterday(?) Good job :-) 21:46:50 <PeterT> thanks 21:47:13 <planetmaker> now 'just' comes to follow up on it and become an nfo master ;-) 21:47:58 <PeterT> Now I need to learn how to find the xpos and ypos of the pcx that the CETS people posted 21:48:30 <planetmaker> any image editing proggi will tell you 21:48:54 <PeterT> what does the xpos and ypos tell me? 21:48:57 <PeterT> where it starts? 21:49:03 <Ammler> the pcx sheet on tt-forums for CETS isn't useable like it is. 21:49:05 <PeterT> which one says where it ends? 21:49:12 <planetmaker> two ways actually, both tedious: use the same template and paste all sprites into that 21:49:16 <Ammler> (no nice blue boxes) 21:49:21 <planetmaker> or measure for each vehicle and sprite 21:49:30 <planetmaker> xpos / ypos is the uppler left of the sprites 21:49:36 <PeterT> oh 21:49:43 <PeterT> I'll paste the sprites onto the template 21:49:48 <PeterT> although that will take a long time 21:49:50 <andythenorth> PeterT: if you're serious about coding for them, pm them and discuss a standard sprite template - or do it in the forums where other people can help 21:50:05 <PeterT> and they haven't provided a tracking table 21:50:07 <planetmaker> ^^ or you'll grow insane aligning sprites 21:50:11 <PeterT> so I knwo the intro date and such 21:50:13 <Ammler> yes, post a template and "order" them to use it. 21:50:14 <andythenorth> I think it's better for the artist to supply pcx correctly 21:50:15 <planetmaker> don't worry about the tracking table 21:50:20 <planetmaker> worry about sprite alignment 21:50:32 <planetmaker> chaning an action0 is easy as pie compared to getting alignment properly done 21:50:34 <PeterT> will they have to redo the sprites though? 21:50:39 <andythenorth> there are enough 'standard' train templates 21:50:46 <andythenorth> does 2CC set have a standard? 21:50:50 <planetmaker> yes 21:50:53 <andythenorth> use that 21:51:04 <Ammler> the template pcx is a bit ugly 21:51:09 <planetmaker> actually a few different ones for quite different trains 21:51:22 <planetmaker> but they're ok. Or use pikka's ones from the web page 21:51:26 <planetmaker> I added them to OpenGFX 21:51:36 <PeterT> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=865872#p865872 21:51:37 <Webster> Title: Transport Tycoon Forums • View topic - CETS - The New Railways by DSTeam / Coders Wanted! (at www.tt-forums.net) 21:51:39 <PeterT> posted 2 days ago 21:51:48 <Ammler> 2cc templates are for whole trains 21:51:56 <Ammler> pikkas are for one engine 21:52:07 <andythenorth> PeterT: explain to them a little more what they need to do 21:52:11 <planetmaker> well... depends :-) 2ccTS has separate ones for MUs 21:52:11 <andythenorth> try pm 21:52:17 <PeterT> planetmaker? 21:52:23 <PeterT> teehee 21:52:23 <planetmaker> no. private mail :-) 21:52:29 <PeterT> I know :D 21:52:33 <planetmaker> :-D 21:53:39 <Ammler> also you need to be aware of the lots of action/company colors... 21:53:42 <PeterT> they don't have any pcx or tracking tables http://openttd-magyarorszag.gportal.hu/gindex.php?pg=32374859 21:53:47 <PeterT> Ammler: what do you mean? 21:54:11 <planetmaker> PeterT: as said: don't worry about tracking table. I never understood why people are obsessed with them. 21:54:12 <Ammler> something, action colors a intended something just missused. 21:54:24 <planetmaker> But worry about sprite templates. That's the only important thing :-) 21:54:38 <Ammler> sometime* 21:54:39 <PeterT> right 21:54:54 <planetmaker> At least that's what eats 80% of the time when I incorporate new sprites which are NOT in a template 21:55:31 <PeterT> I guess I can wait and twiddle my thumbs for now 21:55:39 <planetmaker> when you add a new engine, just add approx. values for the action0 properties or make them up. People will tell you what to change, if they don't agree 21:55:45 <PeterT> Also, why does GRFDecod strip all comments when decoding? 21:55:49 <Ammler> planetmaker: btw. my house template can be used for every "tile" sprite 21:55:50 <planetmaker> As coder YOU are the ruler of what goes and what not ;-) 21:55:52 <PeterT> *GRFCodec 21:56:10 <Ammler> it doesn't do that 21:56:11 <planetmaker> PeterT: grf is a binary file 21:56:18 <Ammler> it doesn't encode comments 21:56:24 <planetmaker> ^ 21:56:33 <planetmaker> except action 0C 21:56:35 <PeterT> oh, that's why people give commented source seperately? 21:56:38 <planetmaker> which is a comment action 21:56:50 <PeterT> I'll be sure to note that 21:56:51 <planetmaker> PeterT: yes, that's the whole point of GPL-licensing stuff 21:56:54 <Ammler> ActionC is used to temporarly skip sprites, not for comments 21:57:11 <planetmaker> Ammler: also. But not only ;-) 21:57:13 <andythenorth> PeterT: so your grf works in game? 21:57:35 <PeterT> andythenorth: have not tested that, but it renumed without errors and it is encoded 21:57:45 <andythenorth> so test it in game next :) 21:57:50 <Ammler> well, it could mislead people to think, if I comment with ActionC, I don't need to serve source 21:57:52 <PeterT> probably won't work in game because i haven't set an intro date 21:58:00 <PeterT> only a railtype ;-) 21:58:22 <PeterT> Ok, I really need to work on this essay 21:58:26 <PeterT> see you all in a bit 22:00:22 <planetmaker> enjoy and / or success :-) 22:01:20 <Webster> Latest update from devactivity: FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 732: Change: 'Gravel Pit' instead of 'Gravel Quarry' - s... <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/firs/repository/revisions/732> 22:02:48 <andythenorth> now 2 tickets left :( 22:03:49 <Ammler> aren't many :-) 22:04:10 <Rubidium> quick... find some bugs! 22:06:24 <andythenorth> now 3 tickets left :\ 22:16:51 <Webster> Latest update from devactivity: FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Feature #861 (New): Machine Shop could use template C with Fuel O... <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/861> || FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Feature #860 (New): Fishing Harbour - either code, or remove from... <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/860> || FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Feature #859 (New): Check production ratios for secondary industr... <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/859> 22:44:16 *** andythenorth has left #openttdcoop.devzone 22:45:13 <PeterT> If I ever start my own GRF project, I'm definately hosting it on the devzone 22:45:28 <PeterT> this makefile system sounds (and looks) nice 22:45:37 <PeterT> seperating sections into train1.pnfo 22:46:58 *** Seberoth has quit IRC 22:47:01 <Webster> Latest update from devactivity: FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 733: Change: removed Fishing Harbour from firs.pnfo for 0.1 <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/firs/repository/revisions/733> 22:49:45 <Yexo> you don't need to host it at the devzone to use the makefile system 22:50:50 <PeterT> it is also more organized 22:54:35 *** Seberoth has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 22:59:48 *** ODM has quit IRC 23:07:50 <planetmaker> I thought you started your own grf project? ;-) 23:09:59 <Hirundo> goodnight folks 23:11:11 <planetmaker> good night Hirundo 23:11:43 <Ammler> nightly 23:12:03 <Ammler> Yexo: btw. are you aware that the airport grf doesn't compile? 23:12:22 <Yexo> no, I'm not aware of that 23:12:48 <Ammler> http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/airportsplus/nightlies/ 23:12:59 <Ammler> http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/airportsplus/nightlies/compile-log/airportsplus-FAILED-compile-error.log 23:13:54 <Ammler> I really should enable the IRC annoucment for such things again :-/ 23:13:57 <planetmaker> :-) hg add missing ;-) 23:14:15 <planetmaker> Ammler: yes, that'd be nice, I think. At least for failed compile 23:14:53 <Yexo> planetmaker: yep 23:17:16 <Ammler> http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/airportsplus/nightlies/airportsplus.nfo <-- Yexo, you are very welcome to commit patches we can apply to renum, so you don't need to silence those all 23:17:19 <Webster> Latest update from devactivity: Climate dependant airports - Revision 40: Fix: add airp_helistation.pnfo file <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/airportsplus/repository/revisions/40> || MiniGRFs - Revision 9: [ogfx-debug] Feature: make 10 grfs at once <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/minigrfs/repository/revisions/9> 23:18:21 <Yexo> Ammler: that'd require me to write those patches first 23:18:27 <Ammler> :-D 23:18:44 <Ammler> I just noted :-P 23:18:46 <Yexo> 109 is already obsolete, that has been fixed by dalestan in renum already 23:19:03 <Yexo> first going to make some other adjustments, then I'll review the warnings 23:19:13 <planetmaker> :-) Do you honestly write the script-to-nfo programme? 23:19:28 <Yexo> yes :) 23:19:34 <Ammler> what a question! 23:19:40 <planetmaker> insane :-) And amazing :-) 23:20:59 <planetmaker> Ammler: well... I try many things. Not all of them (actually only few) are those which I can dedicate my time really to 23:22:52 <Yexo> did you see http://www.tt-forums.net/download/file.php?id=126279 ? at the green circles the fence isn't closed 23:23:00 <Yexo> that is actually a problem in opengfx 23:26:07 <planetmaker> I didn't. Thanks for showing :-) 23:30:33 <planetmaker> hm... we need new rail wagons... :-( They are all 32px wide while they must be 28px at most 23:32:18 <Yexo> hmm, those fences are tricky 23:32:44 <Yexo> if you make them exactly long enough you'll end up with artefacts at the corners 23:32:46 <Ammler> planetmaker: it is still not proven, that the length is quilty for the gltich 23:32:48 <Webster> Latest update from devactivity: OpenGFX - Bug #862 (Confirmed): fences on airports <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/862> 23:33:00 <Ammler> as the corrected lengths still glitch 23:43:10 <planetmaker> Ammler: in the depot? 23:43:28 <Ammler> tunnel 23:43:35 <planetmaker> yes. I talk about depot :-) 23:43:46 <planetmaker> they just get truncated there. Quite ugly 23:43:47 <Ammler> what is with depot? 23:44:04 <Ammler> oh well 23:44:09 <planetmaker> buy a wagon. It looks nice in purchase view. But truncated in depot 23:44:30 <Ammler> that could maybe be fixed with openttd 23:44:47 <planetmaker> hm... yes :-P 23:44:50 <Ammler> but indeed no need, if it glitches on tunnels 23:45:17 <planetmaker> well... tunnels are no arguments, yes, I know, I tested that 23:45:43 <Ammler> why are tunnels no argument but depots are? :-) 23:45:53 <planetmaker> But truncated engines and wagons in the depot are an even stronger argument for shortening them. 23:46:10 <planetmaker> tunnels: no length which doesn't glitch 23:46:18 <planetmaker> depots: 28px doesn't get truncated 23:46:37 <planetmaker> --> 28px rules in depots, for tunnels glitches all hope is lost whatever we do 23:46:42 <Ammler> hmm, afaik ttd waggons don't glitch 23:46:58 <planetmaker> well. I do have 28px maglev and monorail wagons. They do glitch 23:47:20 <planetmaker> Maybe they don't anymore after I applied now Pikka's offsets and alignment 23:47:23 <planetmaker> Dunno 23:47:38 <Ammler> another bug I saw, should need to check ttd sprites, but the title is "OPEN TTD" instead of "OPENTTD" 23:47:59 <Webster> Latest update from devactivity: Climate dependant airports - Revision 41: Fix: the non-snow version of the square buildings misse... <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/airportsplus/repository/revisions/41> || OpenGFX - Bug #862: fences on airports <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/862#change-2346> 23:48:04 <Yexo> that is a bug in openttd code 23:48:23 <planetmaker> Yexo: what? 23:48:27 <Ammler> the space 23:48:38 <planetmaker> ah 23:48:59 <Ammler> I learned, that TTD doesn't mean "Transport Tycoon Deluxe" :-) 23:49:20 <Yexo> TTD is short for taht, but OpenTTD not for Open ... 23:49:36 <Ammler> hehe 23:49:56 <Ammler> or that way... 23:50:30 <Ammler> why not make it OpenTTD? 23:50:40 <planetmaker> It is? 23:50:42 <Ammler> I mean those 3 chars could be done easy 23:50:53 <Ammler> planetmaker: it is all Upcase now 23:50:58 <planetmaker> oh, in the title font :-) 23:51:02 <Ammler> yes 23:51:24 <Ammler> and also it should be possible to add those 3 chars to openttd.grf from ttd 23:59:35 *** Seberoth has quit IRC