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07:04:45  <planetmaker> moin
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09:13:41  <andythenorth> morning
10:27:05  <Webster> Latest update from devactivity: FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Feature #835 (Closed): Hide un-needed cargos <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/835#change-2331> || FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 691: Fix: multiple problems caused by hacking out cargos <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/firs/repository/revisions/691> || FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 690: Change: tidied up cargos a little more in ids <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/firs/repository/revisions/690> || FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 689: Change: moved sand cargo to 0A to ensure default va... <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/firs/repository/revisions/689> || FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 688: Change: reordered cargos in id list for readability <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/firs/repository/revisions/688> || FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 687: Change: knocked out some cargos for unfinished chai... <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/firs/repository/revisions/687>
10:59:10  <Webster> Latest update from devactivity: FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 692: Change: probability and production for Bauxite Mine... <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/firs/repository/revisions/692>
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11:15:51  <Webster> Latest update from devactivity: FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Feature #830 (Closed): Change content of generic industry descrip... <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/830#change-2333> || FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Feature #795 (Closed): Check production levels for other primary ... <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/795#change-2332> || FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 693: Fix: Textil Mill had incorrectly defined cb, crashi... <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/firs/repository/revisions/693>
11:31:56  <Webster> Latest update from devactivity: FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Feature #857 (New): Secondary Template C - cargos 2 and 3 need to... <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/857>
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11:47:58  <Webster> Latest update from devactivity: OpenGFX - Bug #781: farm hedges not properly aligned <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/781#change-2335> || FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 694: Change: cleared temporary description text to an em... <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/firs/repository/revisions/694>
12:20:05  <Webster> Latest update from devactivity: HEQS "Heavy Equipment" Set - Revision 220: Change: modified speed of Speedytrac <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/heqs/repository/revisions/220>
13:08:08  <Webster> Latest update from devactivity: FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Feature #857 (Closed): Secondary Template C - cargos 2 and 3 need... <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/857#change-2336" target="_blank">http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/857#change-2336> || FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 695: Change: secondary template C now consolidates cargo... <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/firs/repository/revisions/695> || FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Feature #857 (Closed): Secondary Template C - cargos 2 and 3 need... <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/857>
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13:56:18  <Webster> Latest update from devactivity: FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Feature #298: parameters <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/298#change-2337>
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15:13:45  <Webster> Latest update from devactivity: FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Feature #814 (Closed): Need a source for Gravel <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/814#change-2340> || FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 700: Change: hacked Sand Pit sprites to provide Gravel Q... <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/firs/repository/revisions/700> || FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 699: Change: updated IDs and references for Quarry (remo... <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/firs/repository/revisions/699> || FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 698: Change: Quarry now uses quarry.pcx <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/firs/repository/revisions/698> || FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 697: Change: add pcx for Quarry (copy of Sand Pit) <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/firs/repository/revisions/697> || FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 696: Change: add pnfo files for Quarry (copy of Sand Pit) <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/firs/repository/revisions/696>
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15:46:34  <Webster> Latest update from devactivity: FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 705: Change: fixed some production values for Fish Proce... <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/firs/repository/revisions/705> || FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Feature #856 (Closed): Check settings defined correctly for indus... <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/856#change-2341> || FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 702: Change: fixed some production values for Dairy <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/firs/repository/revisions/702> || FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 703: Change: fixed some production values for Furniture ... <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/firs/repository/revisions/703> || FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 704: Change: fixed some production values for Meat Packer <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/firs/repository/revisions/704> || FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 701: Change: corrected cb flags for Dairy <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/firs/repository/revisions/701>
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19:09:30  <andythenorth> planetmaker: hi hi
19:11:18  <Webster> Latest update from devactivity: FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 707: Change: partial framework for handling industry ava... <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/firs/repository/revisions/707> || FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 706: Change: add intro date define to industries; remove... <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/firs/repository/revisions/706>
19:56:52  <Webster> Latest update from devactivity: FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 730: Feature: intro date for Paper Mill <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/firs/repository/revisions/730> || FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 729: Feature: intro date for Brewery <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/firs/repository/revisions/729> || FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 727: Feature: intro date for Textile Mills <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/firs/repository/revisions/727> || FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 728: Feature: intro date for Furniture Factory <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/firs/repository/revisions/728> || FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 726: Feature: intro date for Metal Foundry <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/firs/repository/revisions/726> || FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 725: Feature: intro date for Machine Shop <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/firs/repository/revisions/725> || FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 724: Feature: intro date for Steel Mill <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/firs/repository/revisions/724> || FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 723: Feature: intro date for Junk Yard <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/firs/repository/revisions/723> || FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 721: Feature: intro date for Dredging Site <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/firs/repository/revisions/721> || FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 722: Feature: intro date for Fish Processor <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/firs/repository/revisions/722> || FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 720: Feature: intro date for Bakery <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/firs/repository/revisions/720> || FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 719: Feature: intro date for Meat Packer <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/firs/repository/revisions/719> || FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 717: Feature: intro date for Oil Refinery <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/firs/repository/revisions/717> || FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 716: Feature: intro date for Oil Well <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/firs/repository/revisions/716> || FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 718: Feature: intro date for Power Station <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/firs/repository/revisions/718>
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21:29:47  <Webster> Latest update from devactivity: FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Feature #799 (Closed): Introduction dates for industries <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/799#change-2342> || FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 731: Fix: Power Station was blowing up game if cb 22 ena... <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/firs/repository/revisions/731>
21:40:44  <andythenorth> 1 ticket to do...
21:41:07  <andythenorth> and that can wait until tomorrow :)
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21:45:21  <planetmaker> hello
21:45:25  <Webster> Latest update from devactivity: OpenGFX - Revision 388: Change [#662]: Apply the alignment template to all monorail and maglev wa... <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/opengfx/repository/revisions/388> || FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Feature #804 (Closed): Set base cargo rates for a standard economy <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/804#change-2344> || FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Feature #798 (Rejected): Complete basic texts <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/798#change-2343> || FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Feature #858 (New): Put industry intro dates into fund menu cb text <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/858>
21:45:36  <PeterT> how are you doing, planetmaker?
21:46:07  <planetmaker> quite fine, thanks
21:46:10  <planetmaker> How're you?
21:46:13  <PeterT> good
21:46:20  <PeterT> Did you hear - I coded my first GRF
21:46:29  <PeterT> with lots of help from andythenorth
21:46:42  <planetmaker> yeah, read it yesterday(?) Good job :-)
21:46:50  <PeterT> thanks
21:47:13  <planetmaker> now 'just' comes to follow up on it and become an nfo master ;-)
21:47:58  <PeterT> Now I need to learn how to find the xpos and ypos of the pcx that the CETS people posted
21:48:30  <planetmaker> any image editing proggi will tell you
21:48:54  <PeterT> what does the xpos and ypos tell me?
21:48:57  <PeterT> where it starts?
21:49:03  <Ammler> the pcx sheet on tt-forums for CETS isn't useable like it is.
21:49:05  <PeterT> which one says where it ends?
21:49:12  <planetmaker> two ways actually, both tedious: use the same template and paste all sprites into that
21:49:16  <Ammler> (no nice blue boxes)
21:49:21  <planetmaker> or measure for each vehicle and sprite
21:49:30  <planetmaker> xpos / ypos is the uppler left of the sprites
21:49:36  <PeterT> oh
21:49:43  <PeterT> I'll paste the sprites onto the template
21:49:48  <PeterT> although that will take a long time
21:49:50  <andythenorth> PeterT: if you're serious about coding for them, pm them and discuss a standard sprite template - or do it in the forums where other people can help
21:50:05  <PeterT> and they haven't provided a tracking table
21:50:07  <planetmaker> ^^ or you'll grow insane aligning sprites
21:50:11  <PeterT> so I knwo the intro date and such
21:50:13  <Ammler> yes, post a template and "order" them to use it.
21:50:14  <andythenorth> I think it's better for the artist to supply pcx correctly
21:50:15  <planetmaker> don't worry about the tracking table
21:50:20  <planetmaker> worry about sprite alignment
21:50:32  <planetmaker> chaning an action0 is easy as pie compared to getting alignment properly done
21:50:34  <PeterT> will they have to redo the sprites though?
21:50:39  <andythenorth> there are enough 'standard' train templates
21:50:46  <andythenorth> does 2CC set have a standard?
21:50:50  <planetmaker> yes
21:50:53  <andythenorth> use that
21:51:04  <Ammler> the template pcx is a bit ugly
21:51:09  <planetmaker> actually a few different ones for quite different trains
21:51:22  <planetmaker> but they're ok. Or use pikka's ones from  the web page
21:51:26  <planetmaker> I added them to OpenGFX
21:51:36  <PeterT> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=865872#p865872
21:51:37  <Webster> Title: Transport Tycoon Forums • View topic - CETS - The New Railways by DSTeam / Coders Wanted! (at www.tt-forums.net)
21:51:39  <PeterT> posted 2 days ago
21:51:48  <Ammler> 2cc templates are for whole trains
21:51:56  <Ammler> pikkas are for one engine
21:52:07  <andythenorth> PeterT: explain to them a little more what they need to do
21:52:11  <planetmaker> well... depends :-) 2ccTS has separate ones for MUs
21:52:11  <andythenorth> try pm
21:52:17  <PeterT> planetmaker?
21:52:23  <PeterT> teehee
21:52:23  <planetmaker> no. private mail :-)
21:52:29  <PeterT> I know :D
21:52:33  <planetmaker> :-D
21:53:39  <Ammler> also you need to be aware of the lots of action/company colors...
21:53:42  <PeterT> they don't have any pcx or tracking tables http://openttd-magyarorszag.gportal.hu/gindex.php?pg=32374859
21:53:47  <PeterT> Ammler: what do you mean?
21:54:11  <planetmaker> PeterT: as said: don't worry about tracking table. I never understood why people are obsessed with them.
21:54:12  <Ammler> something, action colors a intended something just missused.
21:54:24  <planetmaker> But worry about sprite templates. That's the only important thing :-)
21:54:38  <Ammler> sometime*
21:54:39  <PeterT> right
21:54:54  <planetmaker> At least that's what eats 80% of the time when I incorporate new sprites which are NOT in a template
21:55:31  <PeterT> I guess I can wait and twiddle my thumbs for now
21:55:39  <planetmaker> when you add a new engine, just add approx. values for the action0 properties or make them up. People will tell you what to change, if they don't agree
21:55:45  <PeterT> Also, why does GRFDecod strip all comments when decoding?
21:55:49  <Ammler> planetmaker: btw. my house template can be used for every "tile" sprite
21:55:50  <planetmaker> As coder YOU are the ruler of what goes and what not ;-)
21:55:52  <PeterT> *GRFCodec
21:56:10  <Ammler> it doesn't do that
21:56:11  <planetmaker> PeterT: grf is a binary file
21:56:18  <Ammler> it doesn't encode comments
21:56:24  <planetmaker> ^
21:56:33  <planetmaker> except action 0C
21:56:35  <PeterT> oh, that's why people give commented source seperately?
21:56:38  <planetmaker> which is a comment action
21:56:50  <PeterT> I'll be sure to note that
21:56:51  <planetmaker> PeterT: yes, that's the whole point of GPL-licensing stuff
21:56:54  <Ammler> ActionC is used to temporarly skip sprites, not for comments
21:57:11  <planetmaker> Ammler: also. But not only ;-)
21:57:13  <andythenorth> PeterT: so your grf works in game?
21:57:35  <PeterT> andythenorth: have not tested that, but it renumed without errors and it is encoded
21:57:45  <andythenorth> so test it in game next :)
21:57:50  <Ammler> well, it could mislead people to think, if I comment with ActionC, I don't need to serve source
21:57:52  <PeterT> probably won't work in game because i haven't set an intro date
21:58:00  <PeterT> only a railtype ;-)
21:58:22  <PeterT> Ok, I really need to work on this essay
21:58:26  <PeterT> see you all in a bit
22:00:22  <planetmaker> enjoy and / or success :-)
22:01:20  <Webster> Latest update from devactivity: FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 732: Change: 'Gravel Pit' instead of 'Gravel Quarry' - s... <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/firs/repository/revisions/732>
22:02:48  <andythenorth> now 2 tickets left :(
22:03:49  <Ammler> aren't many :-)
22:04:10  <Rubidium> quick... find some bugs!
22:06:24  <andythenorth> now 3 tickets left  :\
22:16:51  <Webster> Latest update from devactivity: FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Feature #861 (New): Machine Shop could use template C with Fuel O... <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/861> || FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Feature #860 (New): Fishing Harbour - either code, or remove from... <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/860> || FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Feature #859 (New): Check production ratios for secondary industr... <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/859>
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22:45:13  <PeterT> If I ever start my own GRF project, I'm definately hosting it on the devzone
22:45:28  <PeterT> this makefile system sounds (and looks) nice
22:45:37  <PeterT> seperating sections into train1.pnfo
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22:47:01  <Webster> Latest update from devactivity: FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 733: Change: removed Fishing Harbour from firs.pnfo for 0.1 <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/firs/repository/revisions/733>
22:49:45  <Yexo> you don't need to host it at the devzone to use the makefile system
22:50:50  <PeterT> it is also more organized
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23:07:50  <planetmaker> I thought you started your own grf project? ;-)
23:09:59  <Hirundo> goodnight folks
23:11:11  <planetmaker> good night Hirundo
23:11:43  <Ammler> nightly
23:12:03  <Ammler> Yexo: btw. are you aware that the airport grf doesn't compile?
23:12:22  <Yexo> no, I'm not aware of that
23:12:48  <Ammler> http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/airportsplus/nightlies/
23:12:59  <Ammler> http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/airportsplus/nightlies/compile-log/airportsplus-FAILED-compile-error.log
23:13:54  <Ammler> I really should enable the IRC annoucment for such things again :-/
23:13:57  <planetmaker> :-) hg add missing ;-)
23:14:15  <planetmaker> Ammler: yes, that'd be nice, I think. At least for failed compile
23:14:53  <Yexo> planetmaker: yep
23:17:16  <Ammler> http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/airportsplus/nightlies/airportsplus.nfo <-- Yexo, you are very welcome to commit patches we can apply to renum, so you don't need to silence those all
23:17:19  <Webster> Latest update from devactivity: Climate dependant airports - Revision 40: Fix: add airp_helistation.pnfo file <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/airportsplus/repository/revisions/40> || MiniGRFs - Revision 9: [ogfx-debug] Feature: make 10 grfs at once <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/minigrfs/repository/revisions/9>
23:18:21  <Yexo> Ammler: that'd require me to write those patches first
23:18:27  <Ammler> :-D
23:18:44  <Ammler> I just noted :-P
23:18:46  <Yexo> 109 is already obsolete, that has been fixed by dalestan in renum already
23:19:03  <Yexo> first going to make some other adjustments, then I'll review the warnings
23:19:13  <planetmaker> :-) Do you honestly write the script-to-nfo programme?
23:19:28  <Yexo> yes :)
23:19:34  <Ammler> what a question!
23:19:40  <planetmaker> insane :-) And amazing :-)
23:20:59  <planetmaker> Ammler: well... I try many things. Not all of them (actually only few) are those which I can dedicate my time really to
23:22:52  <Yexo> did you see http://www.tt-forums.net/download/file.php?id=126279 ? at the green circles the fence isn't closed
23:23:00  <Yexo> that is actually a problem in opengfx
23:26:07  <planetmaker> I didn't. Thanks for showing :-)
23:30:33  <planetmaker> hm... we need new rail wagons... :-( They are all 32px wide while they must be 28px at most
23:32:18  <Yexo> hmm, those fences are tricky
23:32:44  <Yexo> if you make them exactly long enough you'll end up with artefacts at the corners
23:32:46  <Ammler> planetmaker: it is still not proven, that the length is quilty for the gltich
23:32:48  <Webster> Latest update from devactivity: OpenGFX - Bug #862 (Confirmed): fences on airports <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/862>
23:33:00  <Ammler> as the corrected lengths still glitch
23:43:10  <planetmaker> Ammler: in the depot?
23:43:28  <Ammler> tunnel
23:43:35  <planetmaker> yes. I talk about depot :-)
23:43:46  <planetmaker> they just get truncated there. Quite ugly
23:43:47  <Ammler> what is with depot?
23:44:04  <Ammler> oh well
23:44:09  <planetmaker> buy a wagon. It looks nice in purchase view. But truncated in depot
23:44:30  <Ammler> that could maybe be fixed with openttd
23:44:47  <planetmaker> hm... yes :-P
23:44:50  <Ammler> but indeed no need, if it glitches on tunnels
23:45:17  <planetmaker> well... tunnels are no arguments, yes, I know, I tested that
23:45:43  <Ammler> why are tunnels no argument but depots are? :-)
23:45:53  <planetmaker> But truncated engines and wagons in the depot are an even stronger argument for shortening them.
23:46:10  <planetmaker> tunnels: no length which doesn't glitch
23:46:18  <planetmaker> depots: 28px doesn't get truncated
23:46:37  <planetmaker> --> 28px rules in depots, for tunnels glitches all hope is lost whatever we do
23:46:42  <Ammler> hmm, afaik ttd waggons don't glitch
23:46:58  <planetmaker> well. I do have 28px maglev and monorail wagons. They do glitch
23:47:20  <planetmaker> Maybe they don't anymore after I applied now Pikka's offsets and alignment
23:47:23  <planetmaker> Dunno
23:47:38  <Ammler> another bug I saw, should need to check ttd sprites, but the title is "OPEN TTD" instead of "OPENTTD"
23:47:59  <Webster> Latest update from devactivity: Climate dependant airports - Revision 41: Fix: the non-snow version of the square buildings misse... <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/airportsplus/repository/revisions/41> || OpenGFX - Bug #862: fences on airports <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/862#change-2346>
23:48:04  <Yexo> that is a bug in openttd code
23:48:23  <planetmaker> Yexo: what?
23:48:27  <Ammler> the space
23:48:38  <planetmaker> ah
23:48:59  <Ammler> I learned, that TTD doesn't mean "Transport Tycoon Deluxe" :-)
23:49:20  <Yexo> TTD is short for taht, but OpenTTD not for Open ...
23:49:36  <Ammler> hehe
23:49:56  <Ammler> or that way...
23:50:30  <Ammler> why not make it OpenTTD?
23:50:40  <planetmaker> It is?
23:50:42  <Ammler> I mean those 3 chars could be done easy
23:50:53  <Ammler> planetmaker: it is all Upcase now
23:50:58  <planetmaker> oh, in the title font :-)
23:51:02  <Ammler> yes
23:51:24  <Ammler> and also it should be possible to add those 3 chars to openttd.grf from ttd
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