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Log for #openttdcoop.devzone on 3rd April 2010:
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06:19:20  <Ammler> http://www.tt-forums.net/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=31915 <-- new 32bpp developer
06:19:22  <Webster> Title: Transport Tycoon Forums • Viewing profile - Szvengar (at www.tt-forums.net)
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07:07:17  <Webster> Latest update from devactivity: FISH - Revision 287: Change: fixed offsets for Large Trader <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/fish/repository/revisions/287> || FISH - Revision 286: Change: fixed offsets for Small Trader <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/fish/repository/revisions/286>
07:23:20  <Webster> Latest update from devactivity: FISH - Revision 288: Change: fixed offsets for Medium Trader <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/fish/repository/revisions/288>
07:39:20  <Webster> Latest update from devactivity: FISH - Revision 289: Change: fixed offsets for Island Trader <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/fish/repository/revisions/289>
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08:11:33  <Webster> Latest update from devactivity: FISH - Revision 290: Change: extended canvas size for Traders psds <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/fish/repository/revisions/290>
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09:00:21  <Ammler> planetmaker: did you pull the tagging?
09:00:28  <Ammler> push*
09:03:15  <planetmaker> what tagging?
09:03:30  <planetmaker> you mean like removing that from src?
09:03:54  <Ammler> no, I pulled opengfx and have still 0.2.2
09:04:54  <Ammler> http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/opengfx/repository <-- seems not
09:05:15  <planetmaker> I didn't :-) Pushed
09:05:22  <planetmaker> thanks for noticing :-)
09:07:07  <Ammler> something strange
09:07:14  <Ammler> my openttd loaded 0.2.2 instead tip
09:07:48  <Ammler> ah no, all fine
09:08:01  <Ammler> was 0.2.3 which is newer than _my_ tip
09:08:30  <Ammler> so versioning at least for basesets works nicely ;-)
09:09:56  <planetmaker> yes it works :-)
09:10:13  <Ammler> planetmaker: me votes for using -c from now on
09:10:20  <planetmaker> I still wish for the same for newgrfs :-)
09:10:35  <Rubidium> then $someone has to make work of NewGRF v8
09:10:49  <planetmaker> Ammler: yes... But I'm unsure whether to set it globally or in the newgrf config
09:11:00  <planetmaker> hehe @ Rubidium :-)
09:11:22  <Rubidium> or... maybe "NFO v8" is more clear given "GRF container format v2"
09:13:20  <Ammler> well, globally (else it doesn't apply with your update)
09:15:09  <planetmaker> Ammler: yes... but... maybe a newgrf cannot use it?
09:15:21  <planetmaker> But I guess then it can (re-)define the parameters in its config... :-)
09:15:43  <Ammler> planetmaker: it would help us to "improve" the feature
09:15:54  <planetmaker> Hm... maybe I should dig out the v8 nfo specs wishlist :-)
09:16:08  <planetmaker> Ammler: in what way?
09:16:29  <Ammler> to find out, if there is a situation, where -c doesn't work :-)
09:16:41  <Ammler> so we need to use it also for releases
09:16:47  <Rubidium> planetmaker: yeah, I guess having a clear picture of all ideas for v8 might be useful
09:27:55  <andythenorth> http://devs.openttd.org/~frosch/texts/StaticGRFInfo.txt
09:28:42  <Ammler> doesn't have version properity, does it?
09:29:03  <Rubidium> no, and it's not required (IMO it should be required in v8)
09:29:24  <Rubidium> planetmaker: don't forget the > 0x80 IDs for articulation
09:29:53  <planetmaker> andythenorth: thx
09:30:30  <andythenorth> there was some chat about seriously improving the way in which players set newgrf options
09:30:36  <andythenorth> i.e. typing in parameters sucks
09:30:42  <andythenorth> especially with bitmaps
09:30:54  <andythenorth> and only 500 chars to put instructions into bananas :P
09:30:55  <planetmaker> andythenorth: yes... though nfov8 doesn't handle GUI
09:31:04  <andythenorth> yup I realise
09:31:14  <andythenorth> just the two ideas need to move in parallel no?
09:31:21  <planetmaker> :-)
09:45:39  <Webster> Latest update from devactivity: Example NewGRF Project - Bug #882 (New): crop sprites by default? <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/882>
09:56:34  <planetmaker> andythenorth: http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=68&t=46695 <- recolour tool
09:56:36  <Webster> Title: Transport Tycoon Forums • View topic - TTDXRecolor (tool for creating recolor tables) (at www.tt-forums.net)
10:01:26  <andythenorth> planetmaker: how about a compiled version for OS X?
10:01:41  <planetmaker> maybe :-)
10:02:16  <andythenorth> could wait a few months ;)
10:02:40  <planetmaker> dunno if the source is included there or available.
10:02:52  <andythenorth> we could ask
10:05:35  <andythenorth> planetmaker: source is included on Uwe's home page
10:05:45  <andythenorth> http://uwe.s2000.ws/ttdx/download/ttdxrecolor.zip
10:06:10  <planetmaker> andythenorth: mind that I tried yesterday: I cannot produce non-intel binaries without MUCH effort
10:06:18  <planetmaker> e.g. without re-building lots of macports libraries
10:06:32  <andythenorth> well....I have intel, so...
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10:16:47  <Rubidium> regarding the cropping: it might affect things like "alignment" in the buy vehicle window
10:18:16  <planetmaker> yes. It does. I think that was / is the point of proposing it to andy :-)
10:25:11  <Ammler> hmm, some silly selfish license
10:25:42  <Ammler> sounds similar to cc-nc
10:27:41  <planetmaker> yeah
10:27:53  <planetmaker> and no makefile
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10:28:25  <Ammler> there is
10:28:31  <Ammler> GNUMakefile
10:28:36  <planetmaker> oh...
10:28:39  <planetmaker> stupid
10:35:28  <planetmaker> andythenorth: I guess I won't compile that anytime very soon. It would need me installing and compiling another boost version.
10:35:34  <planetmaker> Something which I'm not keen about
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10:35:53  <andythenorth> hey ho
10:36:11  <Ammler> worked here with distro boost
10:36:16  <planetmaker> hm
10:36:34  <Ammler> well, at list it built
10:36:39  <Ammler> least*
10:37:59  <Ammler> ttdxrecolor <-- what does the x mean?
10:38:36  <ODM> it's X-rated
10:38:54  <Ammler> ah ttdp or ttdo
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10:56:30  <Rubidium> dx is an abbreviation of deluxe
10:57:09  <Rubidium> there is no ttdo (unless it's someone wrongly abbreviation OpenTTD, someone french?)
11:04:08  <Ammler> he, ok
11:04:21  <Ammler> was just a guess
11:12:45  <andythenorth> planetmaker: how do I make the pcx a dependency in FISH?
11:13:21  <planetmaker> just use it and it should be
11:13:25  <planetmaker> automatically
11:13:37  <andythenorth> doesn't seem to be
11:13:43  <andythenorth> maybe I'm mistaken
11:14:44  <planetmaker> make normally
11:14:48  <planetmaker> then in the console
11:15:00  <planetmaker> touch path/to/file
11:15:08  <planetmaker> if it re-builds it is taken as dependency
11:15:41  <planetmaker> rebuild when make is called anew that is
11:17:07  <andythenorth> no rebuild :o
11:17:15  <andythenorth> pdq2s-macbook-3:fish_build andy$ touch sprites/ships/trader_large.pcx
11:17:16  <andythenorth> pdq2s-macbook-3:fish_build andy$ make
11:17:16  <andythenorth> make[1]: `fish.grf' is up to date.
11:17:40  <planetmaker> and grep -Ri "trader_large.pcx" gives you what?
11:18:13  <andythenorth> ...
11:18:14  <andythenorth> ...
11:18:15  <andythenorth> ...
11:18:16  <andythenorth> grep: warning: recursive search of stdin
11:18:17  <andythenorth> ...
11:18:17  <andythenorth> ...
11:18:18  <andythenorth> ...
11:18:27  <planetmaker> oh
11:18:30  <andythenorth> :)
11:18:40  <planetmaker> and grep -Ri "trader_large.pcx" sprites/nfo/* gives you what?
11:19:39  <Webster> Latest update from devactivity: FISH - Revision 292: Change: some layers renamed in psds <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/fish/repository/revisions/292> || FISH - Revision 291: Feature: loading states for Small-Large Traders <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/fish/repository/revisions/291> || Example NewGRF Project - Bug #882: crop sprites by default? <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/882#change-2387>
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11:21:58  <planetmaker> andythenorth: in my version of fish that pcx file is not referenced in nfo files
11:22:49  <andythenorth> interesting
11:22:57  <andythenorth> ah
11:22:59  <andythenorth> it's now a define
11:23:04  <planetmaker> well, even so
11:23:16  <andythenorth> so a search for trader_large.pcx will only work on compiled fish.nfo
11:23:28  <planetmaker> doesn't here
11:23:41  <planetmaker> oh. I searched wrongly
11:23:48  <andythenorth> grep -Ri "trader_large.pcx" sprites/*
11:24:29  <planetmaker> still you need to define it somewhere...
11:24:30  <planetmaker> hm
11:24:50  <andythenorth> it's defined without the file extension
11:24:53  <andythenorth> I could change that
11:25:08  <planetmaker> ah. without file extension then the detection will 100% fail
11:25:17  <andythenorth> shall I just change it?
11:25:18  <planetmaker> I grep for the file extension
11:25:26  <planetmaker> and make dependencies according to that
11:25:27  <andythenorth> it's no great harm
11:25:39  <planetmaker> so... if you want pcx as dep: use files with extension
11:26:01  <planetmaker> .pcx .wav .pnfo .tnfo work
11:26:22  <planetmaker> without... I see no moderately sensible way to get that working
11:26:31  <planetmaker> except with SLOW makefiles ;-)
11:26:54  <andythenorth> changed
11:34:49  <Webster> Latest update from devactivity: Example NewGRF Project - Bug #882: crop sprites by default? <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/882#change-2388> || FISH - Revision 293: Change: pcx filename defines now use extensions - otherwise dep checking fails <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/fish/repository/revisions/293>
12:21:00  <Webster> Latest update from devactivity: 32bpp-EZ - Revision 14992: Cleanup: remove the merge leftover <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/32bpp-ez/repository/revisions/14992>
12:36:20  <Webster> Latest update from devactivity: Example NewGRF Project - Bug #882: crop sprites by default? <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/882#change-2389>
13:22:28  <Ammler> Rubidium: how does the CF transfer the bundles?
13:23:35  <planetmaker> scp sftp?
13:28:22  <Rubidium> scp I think
13:37:34  <Webster> Latest update from devactivity: 32bpp-EZ - Support #874: Create repository <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/874#change-2390>
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17:29:22  <Webster> Latest update from devactivity: Climate dependant airports - Revision 48: Merge: makefile updates <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/airportsplus/repository/revisions/48> || FISH - Revision 296: Change: completed tanker sprites for Small Trader <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/fish/repository/revisions/296> || FISH - Revision 295: Change: work in progress on code for tanker refits <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/fish/repository/revisions/295> || FISH - Revision 294: Change: work in progress on tanker refit graphics for Small Trader <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/fish/repository/revisions/294>
17:45:22  <Webster> Latest update from devactivity: FISH - Revision 298: Feature: Tanker refit graphics for Traders <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/fish/repository/revisions/298> || FISH - Revision 297: Change: oil tanker sprites for Medium Trader <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/fish/repository/revisions/297>
18:05:53  <planetmaker> he, sorry for the un-called for update, Yexo :-)
18:06:35  <planetmaker> but I guess I'll continue with that unless forbidden ;-)
18:07:35  <planetmaker> oh, no yexo here.
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18:49:12  <andythenorth> planetmaker: is -c (crop) going to become standard?
18:49:22  <andythenorth> I ask as it took a day to re-layout and correct 4 ships
18:49:26  <andythenorth> I have a few more to do :|
18:49:33  <andythenorth> -c might solve most of that :)
19:11:06  <planetmaker> yes, I put -c onto my TODO list. I'd make it standard as it seems to solve a fair bit of alignment
19:15:37  <andythenorth> k
19:17:52  <Webster> Latest update from devactivity: FISH - Revision 299: Change: did some work on tanker graphics for Small River Boat <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/fish/repository/revisions/299>
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21:06:09  <Webster> Latest update from devactivity: Example NewGRF Project - Feature #556 (Closed): comment symbol in main source list file <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/556#change-2391>
21:22:13  <Webster> Latest update from devactivity: Example NewGRF Project - Bug #882 (Closed): crop sprites by default? <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/882#change-2393> || Example NewGRF Project - Bug #879 (Closed): distclean: don't clean md5sums in tarball <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/879#change-2392> || Example NewGRF Project - Revision 86: Feature [#879]: Introduce target 'distclean' which should d... <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/newgrf-makefile/repository/revisions/86> || Example NewGRF Project - Revision 85: Change [#882]: Use 'grfcodec -c'. It's nicer for the purcha... <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/newgrf-makefile/repository/revisions/85>
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22:54:11  <Webster> Latest update from devactivity: OpenGFX - Feature #885 (New): Groundtile brack land (Toyland?) <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/885> || OpenGFX - Feature #884 (New): Arctic church <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/884> || OpenGFX - Feature #883 (New): Office building improvement <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/883>
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