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00:00:01 <KenjiE20> server<->client are tcp 00:00:22 <KenjiE20> iirc openttdlib passes itself off as those? 00:02:05 <KenjiE20> oh no, udp 00:02:13 <Ammller> -I allips-INPUT 16 -p tcp -s 0/0 \ 00:02:14 <Ammller> --source-port 3978:4000 -d 0/0 -j ACCEPT 00:03:02 <KenjiE20> shows what I know :P 00:03:16 <Ammller> udp or tcp ? 00:03:20 <KenjiE20> udp 00:07:02 <Webster> Latest update from devactivity: NFO Meta Language - Revision 8: Change: use utf-8 as string encoding <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/nml/repository/revisions/8> || NFO Meta Language - Revision 7: Codechange: use print_string also in action4 <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/nml/repository/revisions/7> || NFO Meta Language - Revision 6: Feature: support error() command <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/nml/repository/revisions/6> 00:09:58 <Ammller> KenjiE20: fw updated again 00:10:34 <Ammller> do we have a service running on the DevZone, which needs a special port 00:10:35 <KenjiE20> there we go 00:10:41 <Ammller> I might have forgotten? 00:11:16 <KenjiE20> umm 00:11:24 <Ammller> except IRC 00:11:42 <KenjiE20> I assume the repos are already accessible? 00:12:07 <Ammller> they run with ssh or http 00:12:21 <Ammller> and yes, should work 00:13:06 <KenjiE20> incoming for openttd .dev servers? 00:13:22 <Ammller> how you mean? 00:13:44 <KenjiE20> the incoming tcp/udp ports for IS2/cargodist servers 00:13:45 <Ammller> you mean the bundles.openttdcoop.org ? 00:13:54 <Ammller> ah game server 00:14:10 <Ammller> that is closed 00:14:24 <KenjiE20> might want to do that now 00:14:30 <KenjiE20> else we forget next time 00:14:44 <KenjiE20> and spend 2 days wondering why it won't launch 00:14:45 <Ammller> hehe, and hunt the bug for hours :-P 00:16:41 <Ammller> well, for tonight, it is fine 00:16:46 <KenjiE20> well, I'm off too 00:16:50 <Ammller> I am sleepy 00:17:04 <KenjiE20> 02:15 is a bad time to change servers 00:17:06 <KenjiE20> :) 00:17:13 <Ammller> and didn't plan to spend the night with debuging stupid vserver 00:17:46 <Ammller> @topic add TODO: setup fw for openttd server and irc 00:17:46 *** Webster changes topic to "Talk about things hosted and developed on http://dev.openttdcoop.org | Downloads log: http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/log.csv | We use the downtime to take a break ;-) | TODO: setup fw for openttd server and irc" 00:18:07 *** KenjiE20 has quit IRC 00:18:35 <Ammller> People, I am really sorry for today... 00:18:39 <Ammller> good night all 00:29:20 *** welshdragon has quit IRC 00:31:40 *** welshdragon has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 02:51:46 *** welshdragon has quit IRC 06:04:28 *** JustAGuest has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 06:45:19 *** ODM has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 07:05:42 <Ammller> again down :-( 07:23:18 <planetmaker> moin. yeah :-( 07:28:56 <planetmaker> what did you actually still try tonight? 07:38:18 <Ammller> nothing, went to bed :-P 07:40:33 <ODM> servertroubles moved to here now? 07:40:55 <Ammller> were they somewhere else? 07:40:56 <planetmaker> server troubles everywhere! Hilarity ensues 07:41:06 <planetmaker> OpenTTD gives me 504 07:41:29 <Ammller> our blog/wiki works :-) 07:41:54 <planetmaker> true that :-) 07:43:19 <Ammller> but osais plesk is still down 07:43:20 <ODM> well we had issues with the blog/wiki before, like a while ago 07:43:53 <Ammller> oh well, something else, I would say 07:44:46 <planetmaker> blog.openttdcoop.org works for me 07:45:09 <Ammller> [09:41] <Ammller> our blog/wiki works  07:46:50 <Ammller> what shall I do now 07:46:58 <Ammller> how shall I find the cause? 07:47:32 <planetmaker> what options do we have? 07:47:41 <ODM> by a while i mean some months:P 07:47:53 <ODM> to be honest, i wouldnt know... im not into all the server stuff:S 07:48:41 <Ammller> planetmaker: no limit, just say :-P 07:48:57 <Ammller> maybe replace apache... 07:48:58 <planetmaker> what other services were there "except" redmine / apache / mysql 07:49:21 <Ammller> I still don't think it is an attack 07:49:26 <planetmaker> the irc, a torrent(?), 07:49:32 <Ammller> none 07:49:41 <Ammller> as you see, I also disabled irc 07:49:47 <planetmaker> I wouldn't think either it's an attack. Yes I read that 07:50:22 <planetmaker> well... how would we see a DOS attack: same IP. DDOS? Much more difficult, right? 07:50:35 <Ammller> awk field separator space 07:50:43 <ODM> who would ddos coop?:P 07:50:53 <planetmaker> ^^ exactly 07:50:59 <Ammller> http://paste.openttd.org/225490 07:51:01 <planetmaker> now redmine works 07:51:10 <Ammller> yes, I made reboot 07:51:25 <planetmaker> :-) 07:51:29 <Ammller> ODM: not coop, but openttd 07:52:24 <Ammller> planetmaker: but how long and what shall I monitor? 07:53:29 <planetmaker> hm...type of request and IP? 07:54:48 <planetmaker> hm... right now it's as fast as I'd expect it to be. 07:55:22 <Ammller> yes, it is like as I went to bed :-) 07:55:40 <Ammller> and worked that way until around 6 o'clock 07:56:09 <ODM> wait, openttd has issues aswell as our dev? 07:56:35 <planetmaker> not the same 07:56:51 <ODM> aaah 07:56:54 <planetmaker> uh... till 6am. So till Europe starts to wake up 07:57:10 <planetmaker> and after America went to bed. 08:00:41 <Ammller> 95.138.75.120 - - [07/Apr/2010:04:11:28 +0200] "GET /download.php?file=opensfx/nightlies/opensfx-nightly-r88.zip HTTP/1.1" 200 11144111 "http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/opensfx/nightlies/" "Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; fr; rv:1.9.2.3) Gecko/20100401 Firefox/3.6.3" 08:00:42 <Ammller> 78.35.64.178 - - [07/Apr/2010:09:45:32 +0200] "GET /openmsx/releases/openmsx-0.2.1-source.tar.gz HTTP/1.0" 302 370 "-" "Wget/1.12 (linux-gnu)" 08:01:28 <Ammller> maybe we should also disable that php script 08:02:38 <Ammller> done... 08:03:49 <planetmaker> which php script? 08:03:54 <Ammller> download.php 08:03:56 <planetmaker> the download one? 08:03:57 <planetmaker> ok 08:04:55 <Ammller> I don't get why we have so many downloads 08:05:06 <Ammller> windows and linux users do not need it 08:05:39 <planetmaker> 70% are windows users of our customers 08:06:04 <Ammller> they should download with installer and bananas :-) 08:06:36 <Ammller> JustAGuest: If I may ask, why did you need to download the addons? 08:10:13 <Ammller> the irony of the whole, I started to change www.openttdcoop.org to move to the blog 08:10:27 <Ammller> and now that is down too 08:10:35 <Ammller> on our server it would work 08:25:01 *** Seberoth has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 08:35:25 <JustAGuest> Ammller: because for two reasons: it's needed for the zip-version and because i wanted to mirror it while a lot of other people have the same download problems 08:41:02 <planetmaker> you can get it the latest version always on bananas and here... 08:41:28 <planetmaker> so one of the two should usually be available 08:41:42 <planetmaker> actually usually both 08:42:51 <planetmaker> if you honestly like to mirror the bundles we distribute, that should be setup somewhat more decently, JustAGuest 08:43:03 <planetmaker> Not by just putting a zip *somewhere* and then linking it. 08:57:48 <JustAGuest> planetmaker: i'm sorry. but i didn't know bananas before i was here yesterday, because it's not linked on the download page: http://www.openttd.org/en/download-stable i searched a lot of pages for download possibilities but didn't find one, because all pages linked to the broken server. a lot of people had the same problems. this was fastest way to help myself and others. 08:58:51 *** Hirundo has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 08:59:49 <planetmaker> sorry Hirundo about the bouncer :-) 09:00:23 <planetmaker> we currently cut anything non-vital from our services. 09:00:29 <planetmaker> vital=devzone 09:00:42 <planetmaker> in its core elements, that is repos and bundles and bug tracker 09:01:10 <Rubidium> reminds me of the time that someone of "you" complained that we couldn't get redmine stable as we wanted 09:01:11 <Hirundo> ok 09:02:17 <Ammller> Rubidium: I am quite sure, redmine isn't he cause ;-) 09:02:17 <planetmaker> :-) 09:02:24 <Ammller> the* 09:03:38 <Rubidium> anyhow, it shows that having a mirror of at least the opengfx, opensfx and openmsx release bundles is wanted 09:05:29 <planetmaker> well makes sense. In a proper way :-) 09:05:29 <Ammller> well, we have that with bananas, don't we? 09:05:46 <Ammller> the repos are mirrored 09:05:52 <Rubidium> Ammller: it's not obvious 09:08:47 <Rubidium> obvious for "the user" that is 09:09:56 <Ammller> well, I quite much suprised windows user use bundles to dwonload it... 09:10:11 <Ammller> do we have communicated that somewhere that way? 09:11:24 <Ammller> but you don't think, we need a 3rd mirror beside bundles.openttdcoop.org and binaries.openttd.org? 09:11:51 <Ammller> and we also have sill no clue, why our server was down :-/ 09:12:10 <Rubidium> how much free diskspace do you have? 09:12:16 <Ammller> around 5 09:12:25 <Ammller> 8 09:13:02 <Ammller> hmm / has 3.5 09:13:14 <Ammller> because I made a lot chroots :-) 09:14:40 <JustAGuest> Ammller: i think the bundels are important for users which are using portable software like me 09:14:52 <Rubidium> the things might be mirrored, but if it isn't dead obvious then people won't find it 09:16:10 <Ammller> I need to check bitbucket.org, if it supports an api for binaries 09:16:28 <Ammller> I wouldn't upload manually 09:16:31 * Rubidium was thinking about dumping it on our mirrors 09:16:46 <Ammller> well, they are already? 09:16:53 <Ammller> how would that help? 09:17:12 <Ammller> but we could make the links more obvious 09:17:52 <planetmaker> Ammller, they have OpenGFX/MSX/SFX. But not in our format, not our zips 09:18:03 <planetmaker> Nor the sources actually 09:18:12 <planetmaker> source releases, I mean 09:18:59 <Rubidium> i.e. a www.openttd.org/download-opengfx 09:21:33 <planetmaker> hm 09:27:10 *** Hirundo_ has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 09:28:23 *** Hirundo has quit IRC 09:28:38 *** Hirundo_ is now known as Hirundo 09:52:53 <Hirundo> Yexo: In the Action4 code the ranges for D0xx and DCxx are mixed up, I think 10:15:47 *** JustAGuest has quit IRC 10:20:42 <Ammller> Rubidium: since you include nosound, you could also include opengfx 10:21:56 <Ammller> I guess, the additional traffic would beat the hassle with downloading it from seperate locations 10:23:58 <Ammller> maybe also a note at http://www.openttd.org/en/download-stable, that the addons are included to the installer or to the linux distro repos 10:24:49 <Paul2> so you guys got a server problem then? 10:24:58 <Ammller> when? 10:25:23 <Ammller> didn't you realize it? 10:27:04 <Paul2> well been vaguely following chat here, but only just got back from easter hols :) 10:27:15 <Paul2> you need a mirror for opengfx or anyhting? 10:27:45 <Ammller> we need a better server for devzone 10:27:57 <Ammller> or better server admins :-P 10:28:33 <Ammller> I guess, this whole thing is above my hobby skills... 10:29:37 <Paul2> well you could host some of it on mine to take the load off if you like, or if you need some help you can try asking (I'm not a great sysadmin, but I manage)... 10:29:44 <PeterT> I thought the problem was about server load, not server admins 10:29:48 <Ammller> the load isn't the issue 10:30:06 <Ammller> we have 1000 visits, that is nothing 10:30:14 <Paul2> is it load or bandwidth? As I say I havent been following, but I understood it was bandwidth 10:30:24 <Paul2> ah ok I stand corrected :) 10:30:26 <Ammller> it is admin mostly 10:33:23 <Ammller> it would be load :-) 10:34:08 *** Yexo has quit IRC 10:34:29 *** Yexo has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 10:49:55 *** KenjiE20 has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 10:58:20 <Hirundo> Yexo: In the Action4 code the ranges for D0xx and DCxx are mixed up, I think 11:02:50 <Hirundo> D000-3FF and DC00-FF, not the other way around 11:04:52 <Ammller> stupid spam filter on paste.openttd.org 11:06:58 <Ammller> http://pastebin.com/vZHh5XzV <-- could that be an attack? 11:08:10 <KenjiE20> looks more like segmented downloading to me 11:08:54 <Hirundo> Origin: Beijing, China 11:09:19 <Hirundo> Any human rights activists around here ? ;) 11:10:13 <planetmaker> :-) 11:10:43 <Hirundo> Renaming the bundle to tiananmen.zip should do, I think 11:10:59 <planetmaker> lol 11:41:32 <Yexo> Hirundo: you're right, I mixed those up indeed 11:43:14 <Yexo> Hirundo: did you already commit a fix for that? if so, can you push? 11:44:25 <Hirundo> To push, I'll have to config my hg to use ssh, I think 11:44:42 <Hirundo> Give me a minute 11:45:06 <Yexo> default = ssh://ottdc@mz.openttdcoop.org:22/hg-repos/nml <- that line in .hg/hgrc under [paths] 11:45:36 <Hirundo> I'll check my Infrasharing config, shouldn't be too hard 11:47:10 <Hirundo> done 11:48:20 <Yexo> Ammller: there is still something fishy with the server, I get all sort of error messages on hg pull 11:48:58 <Yexo> "remote: Connection closed by 62.75.156.145" "remote: exec request failed on channel 0" "remote: ssh_exchange_identification: Connection closed by remote host" 11:52:14 <Ammller> Yexo: nobody said, problem solved ;-) 11:52:18 <Webster> Latest update from devactivity: NFO Meta Language - Bug #890 (New): Action4 ranges mixed up <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/890> || Redmine - Revision 3471: Translation updates: <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/redmine/repository/revisions/3471> 11:52:35 <Yexo> well, yesterday evening it did work 11:52:38 <Yexo> and now it works again 11:52:58 <Hirundo> Commit appears here http://mz.openttdcoop.org/hg/nml/, but not in redmine :S 11:54:07 <Ammller> Hirundo: that shouldn't hurt that much 11:54:22 <Ammller> the url you posted does read directly from the repo 11:55:12 <Ammller> redmine does fetch the repos 11:55:38 <Ammller> that could take some time... 11:57:27 <Ammller> specially because of the current troubles we have 12:09:04 <Webster> Latest update from devactivity: NFO Meta Language - Revision 11: Fix: forgot to add actions/actionB.py <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/nml/repository/revisions/11> || NFO Meta Language - Revision 10: Feature: support for several string codes (todo: action6 support... <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/nml/repository/revisions/10> || NFO Meta Language - Bug #890 (Closed): Action4 ranges mixed up <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/890#change-2405" target="_blank">http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/890#change-2405> || NFO Meta Language - Bug #890 (Resolved): Action4 ranges mixed up <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/890#change-2404" target="_blank">http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/890#change-2404> || NFO Meta Language - Revision 9: Fix: Ranges for D0xx and DCxx textids were wrong. <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/nml/repository/revisions/9> || NFO Meta Language - Bug #890 (Closed): Action4 ranges mixed up <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/890> 12:15:37 <Hirundo> Yexo: Do you have a test script of some sort? 12:16:32 <planetmaker> Ammller, reading the support request to server4you I cannot get rid of the impression that they consider you stupid... 12:17:18 <planetmaker> and they don't notice contradiction between small (previous) server with no problems and bigger (current) server with problems... 12:17:34 <Yexo> http://paste.openttd.org/225494 <- that is what I use 12:17:41 <Yexo> uncomment what you use/don't use 12:18:01 <Yexo> http://paste.openttd.org/225495 <- that in lang/default.txt 12:18:10 <Yexo> should be renamed to lang/english.txt I think 12:19:56 <Ammller> planetmaker: feel free to post too :-) 12:20:30 <Ammller> maybe we should just switch to a hetzner dedicated server 12:20:42 <Ammller> and then, I would see, if I am stupid or they 12:20:51 <planetmaker> :-) 12:21:05 <planetmaker> that was the one we actually looked at, right? 12:21:15 <Ammller> yeah, the 50€ one 12:21:16 <planetmaker> Does Hetzner offer a 4 weeks test period or so? 12:21:38 <Ammller> http://www.hetzner.de/de/hosting/produkte_rootserver/eq4/ 12:21:40 <Webster> Title: Hetzner Online AG: Root Server EQ 4 (at www.hetzner.de) 12:22:47 <planetmaker> @calc 150/24 12:22:47 <Webster> planetmaker: 6.25 12:23:03 <planetmaker> actually 55.25, if you consider the setup fee. 12:23:11 <Ammller> oh, indeed 12:23:23 <Ammller> and not trial period 12:25:41 <Ammller> we still didn't get a bill for the upgrade, so... 12:26:02 <planetmaker> http://www.hetzner.de/de/hosting/produkte_rootserver/ds3000/ <-- that one doesn't require setup fee. But... 12:26:03 <Webster> Title: Hetzner Online AG: Root Server DS 3000 (at www.hetzner.de) 12:27:42 <Hirundo> Under windows, I'm getting a sytax error at main.py line 16, under cygwin, the name 'sys' is not defined :S 12:28:15 <planetmaker> that might be a python version issue 12:29:30 <Hirundo> Yexo: What environment do you use? 12:29:38 <Yexo> cygwin 12:29:52 <Hirundo> python version? 12:30:05 <Yexo> 2.5.2 12:30:41 <Hirundo> same here 12:30:55 <planetmaker> ok :-) 12:31:22 <planetmaker> I just wondered. I recently toyed around with it. And it worked on one machine, but not the other - and the difference was the python version I used. 12:32:48 <Hirundo> solved: CRLF->LF 12:33:12 <Hirundo> python 2.x and 3.x seems to make quite a difference, IIRC 12:35:13 <Ammller> planetmaker: the difference between DS3000 and EQ4 are significantely and worth the 5€, aren't? 12:36:41 <Ammller> also I could buy the server, then we can solve 19% MWST :-) 12:36:49 <Ammller> save* 12:37:40 <Ammller> that is more than 5€ :-P 12:50:14 <planetmaker> it's more like 15€ difference 12:50:40 <planetmaker> But ok... not with the VAT reduction of 19% ;-) 12:50:47 <planetmaker> then it's like 7€, yes 12:55:37 <Ammller> why 15€ 12:55:51 <Ammller> you calculated 6.25 above? 12:56:54 <planetmaker> oh. confused myself. you're right 12:57:13 <planetmaker> I mixed it up with server4you's dedicated server. Which start at 39€ 12:58:58 <Ammller> well, I wouldn't like to use a s4y server anymore 13:02:55 <Ammller> memory usage dropped to 500MB 13:03:06 <Ammller> but now I can't run any bash commands anymore 13:03:24 <Ammller> I get the feeling, the less memory we use the worse 13:08:41 <Ammller> reboot scheduled... 13:21:41 <Ammller> hmm, I could run a monitor tool, which triggers a reboot, if memory usage drops belog 700MB 13:21:47 <Ammller> below* 13:29:38 <Hirundo> Yexo: You use openssh or putty? 13:29:45 <Yexo> openssh 13:31:21 <planetmaker> Ammller, agreed. With the troubles we see here now and the kind of answers their tech support provides... 13:38:36 <Ammller> it should be somehow possible to combine the desync debug output with smatz logging patch 13:38:42 <Ammller> IMO, that is a bit silly... 13:41:33 <Ammller> at least I know now, IRC wasn't the cause 13:41:39 <Ammller> also rtorrent wasn't 13:42:09 * Ammller reads a bit nginx configure docs 13:43:02 <Ammller> confirmed 13:43:28 <Ammller> as soon as the server doesn't need at least 700MB of memory, it has memory issues 13:43:46 <Webster> Latest update from devactivity: NFO Meta Language - Revision 14: Change: simplify the code for the GRF-block a bit <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/nml/repository/revisions/14> || NFO Meta Language - Revision 13: Change: use the language files for all strings, also grf name/de... <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/nml/repository/revisions/13> || NFO Meta Language - Revision 12: Add: support for vehicle symbols in strings <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/nml/repository/revisions/12> 13:46:03 <Ammller> pushed again reboot 13:53:23 <planetmaker> hu? 14:09:48 <Ammller> most annoying forum threads are those which someone explains a problem, then the answer is "nevermind, solved the problem" 14:10:13 <Ammller> such people should be shot 14:10:50 <Ammller> like http://www.pubbs.net/nginx/200911/30750/ 14:10:51 <Webster> Title: nginx 0.8.25 on an Xen VPS - Ubuntu. (at www.pubbs.net) 14:13:17 <planetmaker> :-) 14:27:06 *** welshdragon has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 14:39:17 *** welshdragon has quit IRC 15:15:02 <Ammller> ok, I setup nginx for the DevZone 15:15:14 <Ammller> currently both is running, apache and nginx 15:15:18 <Ammller> so might not be better 15:15:50 <Ammller> devzone will be redirected to :81 15:17:33 <Ammller> this is experiment 15:17:57 <Ammller> I didn't setup a service for nginx, also bundles doesn't run with it 15:18:02 <Ammller> so doesn't php 15:18:22 <Ammller> on a reboot, we need to start nginx manually 15:18:41 <Ammller> /opt/nginx/sbin/nginx 15:18:47 <Ammller> planetmaker: ^ 15:30:05 <Ammller> Paul2: tell me what you need to do so :-) 15:30:37 <Ammller> or in other words what I need to do :-) 15:31:03 <Ammller> is it just me, or is the DevZone with nginx simply fast? 15:31:36 <Paul2> presumably it's a server you control, just ssh in and do it? 15:32:15 <Paul2> right I gtg now, but I'll try and give you a hand later :) 15:32:33 <Ammller> yeah, I would be happy with some tutoring 15:32:48 <Ammller> as we need it also to keep running, when you are absent 15:33:21 <Ammller> I guess, I will also need to recompile nginx with ssl and other stuff 15:33:35 <Paul2> yup nps. well hopefully once its set up it should be a case of just leave it do its stuff 15:33:40 * Paul2 really does leave this time 15:34:09 <Ammller> now I start IRC again, as the server seems only to idle since I diconnected redmine from apache 15:35:33 <planetmaker> ok, noted. Thanks Ammller 15:35:44 <Ammller> browse on the devzone a bit 15:35:53 <Ammller> and tell me your fast experience :-P 15:36:35 <Rubidium> it's definitely faster than yesterday around this time 15:36:38 <Webster> Latest update from devactivity: NFO Meta Language - Revision 14: Change: simplify the code for the GRF-block a bit <http://dev.openttdcoop.org:81/projects/nml/repository/revisions/14> || NFO Meta Language - Revision 13: Change: use the language files for all strings, also grf name/de... <http://dev.openttdcoop.org:81/projects/nml/repository/revisions/13> || NFO Meta Language - Revision 12: Add: support for vehicle symbols in strings <http://dev.openttdcoop.org:81/projects/nml/repository/revisions/12> || NFO Meta Language - Revision 11: Fix: forgot to add actions/actionB.py <http://dev.openttdcoop.org:81/projects/nml/repository/revisions/11> || NFO Meta Language - Revision 10: Feature: support for several string codes (todo: action6 support... <http://dev.openttdcoop.org:81/projects/nml/repository/revisions/10> || NFO Meta Language - Bug #890 (Closed): Action4 ranges mixed up <http://dev.openttdcoop.org:81/issues/890#change-2405" target="_blank">http://dev.openttdcoop.org:81/issues/890#change-2405> || NFO Meta Language - Bug #890 (Resolved): Action4 ranges mixed up <http://dev.openttdcoop.org:81/issues/890#change-2404" target="_blank">http://dev.openttdcoop.org:81/issues/890#change-2404> || NFO Meta Language - Revision 9: Fix: Ranges for D0xx and DCxx textids were wrong. <http://dev.openttdcoop.org:81/projects/nml/repository/revisions/9> || NFO Meta Language - Bug #890 (Closed): Action4 ranges mixed up <http://dev.openttdcoop.org:81/issues/890> || NFO Meta Language - Revision 8: Change: use utf-8 as string encoding <http://dev.openttdcoop.org:81/projects/nml/repository/revisions/8> || Redmine - Revision 3471: Translation updates: <http://dev.openttdcoop.org:81/projects/redmine/repository/revisions/3471> || NFO Meta Language - Revision 7: Codechange: use print_string also in action4 <http://dev.openttdcoop.org:81/projects/nml/repository/revisions/7> || NFO Meta Language - Revision 6: Feature: support error() command <http://dev.openttdcoop.org:81/projects/nml/repository/revisions/6> || 2cc train set - Revision 503: Fix: Various minor fixes on the boxcar and silo (short ones) <http://dev.openttdcoop.org:81/projects/2cctrainset/repository/revisions/503> || 2cc train set - Bug #889 (Confirmed): bug around line 630 <http://dev.openttdcoop.org:81/issues/889> 15:37:03 <Ammller> well, yesterday it didn't work at all 15:38:01 <Ammller> alternatively I could setup apache proxy to port 81 15:38:18 <Ammller> if I don't find an easy way to support php 15:51:32 *** V4530000 has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 15:53:02 *** Hirundo_ has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 15:53:17 *** Ammler has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 15:54:20 *** Ammller has quit IRC 15:54:32 *** andythenorth_ has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 16:23:58 <Webster> Latest update from devactivity: #openttdcoop - DevZone downtime <http://dev.openttdcoop.org:81/news/31> 16:26:15 *** welshdragon has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 16:32:38 *** Hirundo has quit IRC 16:32:38 *** Hirundo_ is now known as Hirundo 16:43:21 *** Hirundo_ has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 16:48:11 <Ammler> http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/stats/usage_201004.html <-- you see well, how the server downs influence the traffic :-) 16:48:43 *** andythenorth_ is now known as andythenorth 16:55:36 <planetmaker> holla, yes 16:58:20 <Ammler> so what first, continue nginx or compiler? 16:58:52 <planetmaker> you mean for nightlies or so? 16:58:57 <Ammler> yes 16:59:11 <planetmaker> hm. First stable server. Then compile farm. 17:00:00 <Ammler> there is no stable module for webmin 17:00:21 <Ammler> but you prefer to configure textfiles like me? 17:00:40 <planetmaker> yes 17:03:20 <Ammler> well, advantage of webmin is/was, that you would setup something the same all the time 17:03:54 <Ammler> and you have done it for apache/mysql/bind/postfix/dovecot in one run 17:22:18 *** welshdragon has quit IRC 17:41:00 <andythenorth> all our servers is gone away :o 17:41:41 <andythenorth> no devzone 17:41:55 <andythenorth> no work servers. Our colo died :| must be spreading 17:46:01 <Ammler> andythenorth: no devzone? 17:46:15 <Ammler> oh :-D 17:46:23 <Ammler> what does that mean now :-) 17:46:26 <andythenorth> port 81, bad gateway 17:46:49 <Ammler> hmm, seems like I am happy too early 17:47:56 <andythenorth> Ammler: at least you are not alone in this today, we have 4 boxes offline, no email, and a lot of clients.... 17:48:28 <Ammler> hmm 17:48:31 <andythenorth> we lose money every hour we're offline :) 17:48:38 <Ammler> actually, I hoped to solve our issue 17:49:03 <Ammler> at least it seemd like it the first time 17:49:34 <Ammler> no memory issues 17:49:41 <Ammler> dunno, what happens 17:50:27 <andythenorth> back 17:51:43 <Ammler> yes, restarted nginx 17:56:19 <Webster> Latest update from devactivity: #openttdcoop - DevZone downtime <http://dev.openttdcoop.org:81/news/31> || NFO Meta Language - Revision 14: Change: simplify the code for the GRF-block a bit <http://dev.openttdcoop.org:81/projects/nml/repository/revisions/14> || NFO Meta Language - Revision 13: Change: use the language files for all strings, also grf name/de... <http://dev.openttdcoop.org:81/projects/nml/repository/revisions/13> || NFO Meta Language - Revision 12: Add: support for vehicle symbols in strings <http://dev.openttdcoop.org:81/projects/nml/repository/revisions/12> || NFO Meta Language - Revision 11: Fix: forgot to add actions/actionB.py <http://dev.openttdcoop.org:81/projects/nml/repository/revisions/11> || NFO Meta Language - Revision 10: Feature: support for several string codes (todo: action6 support... <http://dev.openttdcoop.org:81/projects/nml/repository/revisions/10> || NFO Meta Language - Bug #890 (Closed): Action4 ranges mixed up <http://dev.openttdcoop.org:81/issues/890#change-2405" target="_blank">http://dev.openttdcoop.org:81/issues/890#change-2405> || NFO Meta Language - Bug #890 (Resolved): Action4 ranges mixed up <http://dev.openttdcoop.org:81/issues/890#change-2404" target="_blank">http://dev.openttdcoop.org:81/issues/890#change-2404> || NFO Meta Language - Revision 9: Fix: Ranges for D0xx and DCxx textids were wrong. <http://dev.openttdcoop.org:81/projects/nml/repository/revisions/9> || NFO Meta Language - Bug #890 (Closed): Action4 ranges mixed up <http://dev.openttdcoop.org:81/issues/890> || FISH - Revision 309: Feature: tanker graphics for Large River Boat <http://dev.openttdcoop.org:81/projects/fish/repository/revisions/309> || FISH - Revision 308: Change: tanker graphics for Large River Boat <http://dev.openttdcoop.org:81/projects/fish/repository/revisions/308> || FISH - Revision 307: Feature: tanker graphics for Small River Boat <http://dev.openttdcoop.org:81/projects/fish/repository/revisions/307> || FISH - Revision 306: Change: tanker graphics for Small River Boat <http://dev.openttdcoop.org:81/projects/fish/repository/revisions/306> || NFO Meta Language - Revision 8: Change: use utf-8 as string encoding <http://dev.openttdcoop.org:81/projects/nml/repository/revisions/8> 18:11:52 <Webster> Latest update from devactivity: NFO Meta Language - Revision 15: Change: use ast.String objects instead of literal strings for ac... <http://dev.openttdcoop.org:81/projects/nml/repository/revisions/15> 18:17:59 *** GT has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 18:21:06 <andythenorth> planetmaker: hi hi.....could we make the crop option standard for grfcodec? 18:50:04 *** ODM has quit IRC 18:51:45 <PeterT> IIRC, didn't autopilot accept !rcon commands ingame? 18:57:53 *** welshdragon has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 18:58:47 *** Seberoth has quit IRC 19:01:10 *** Seberoth has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 19:04:39 <Ammler> din't? 19:04:42 <Ammler> d 19:16:38 <PeterT> it didn't work when i tried it 19:30:34 <Ammler> yes, why should it? 19:34:01 <PeterT> I thought it was available 20:01:33 <Ammler> PeterT: how to identify openttd users? 20:01:53 <Ammler> well, you could use rcon with openttd :-P 20:06:21 <PeterT> I could 20:29:31 *** Hirundo_ has quit IRC 20:43:45 *** welshdragon has quit IRC 20:49:44 *** welshdragon has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 21:03:51 *** Hirundo_ has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 21:05:13 <Hirundo_> sslserver dev.openttdcoop.org 54322 Hirundo:sharing 21:05:28 <PeterT> ... 21:05:34 <Hirundo_> err 21:05:39 <Hirundo_> wrong tab :( 21:06:05 <PeterT> Might want to change your password, immediately. 21:06:12 <Hirundo_> server is down 21:06:20 <PeterT> Or just disallow every IP except your own to access the bouncer 21:06:57 <Hirundo_> Currently, no IP can access it 21:15:17 *** ODM has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 21:26:52 <Hirundo_> Yexo: How is the real sprite syntax going to be? 21:27:20 <planetmaker> <andythenorth> planetmaker: hi hi.....could we make the crop option standard for grfcodec? <-- andythenorth yes, it will be. 21:29:13 <planetmaker> andythenorth, I'll commit it to FIRS and FISH then already now :-) 21:29:25 <planetmaker> or at least FISH 21:32:47 <Webster> Latest update from devactivity: FISH - Revision 310: Change: [Makefile] Update to makefile r86 <http://dev.openttdcoop.org:81/projects/fish/repository/revisions/310> 21:35:42 <Ammler> Hirundo_: you missed the note which was there for around 2 weeks already 21:35:50 <Ammler> port changed to 6697 21:36:15 *** Hirundo is now known as Jasper 21:36:33 *** Jasper is now known as Hirundo 21:36:37 <Ammler> [23:35] <Ammler> Hirundo_: you missed the note which was there for around 2 weeks already 21:36:39 <Ammler> [23:35] <Ammler> port changed to 6697 21:37:39 *** Hirundo_ has left #openttdcoop.devzone 21:43:36 <Hirundo> bouncer website is still down? 21:44:56 <Ammler> https://openttdcoop.org:6697/ 21:47:51 <planetmaker> andythenorth: pull. Makefiles updated to grfcodec -c 21:47:54 <Webster> Latest update from devactivity: FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 772: Change: [Makefile] Update to makefile r86 <http://dev.openttdcoop.org:81/projects/firs/repository/revisions/772> 21:49:43 <Hirundo> done, thanks, was looking at http://bnc.openttdcoop.org/ but that didn't work 21:50:32 <Ammler> yeah, I think, no need to announce the bouncer that public... 21:50:43 <Ammler> well, I did here :-P 22:03:37 <Yexo> <Hirundo_> Yexo: How is the real sprite syntax going to be? <- I don't know, just think of some nice syntax and implement it 22:09:42 <Hirundo> Should the pcx file be specified per sprite, per spriteset or per block? 22:12:49 <Yexo> definitely not per block, per spriteset might be ok, but I'd do it just per sprite 22:18:05 <Yexo> Hirundo: basically the first one to implement a certain feature decides what the syntax will be 22:18:25 <Yexo> we can always change the syntax later, but first I want a working release as fast as possible 22:18:36 <Yexo> too many projects have failed already due to not being implemented 22:26:38 <Hirundo> http://paste.openttd.org/225504 <- suggestion 22:29:09 <Yexo> spriteset(foo, "path_to_pcx") { ... <- that might be a bit easier to implement 22:29:38 <Yexo> but if you can implement your suggestion it's fine 22:30:13 <Yexo> if you use NUMBER as token, the nubmers can be both hex and decimal, but I think the minus sign is not yet implemented 22:30:54 <Yexo> and if you're going to allow a source declaration inside a spriteset, I'd only allow it inside a spriteset 22:31:09 <Yexo> that woud mean the first line in every spriteset has to be a source line 22:31:21 <Yexo> but again, if you implement it then it's your decision :) 22:32:02 *** Seberoth has quit IRC 22:32:27 <Ammler> Hirundo: Yexo, shouldn't you expect fixed pos and offsets for sprites 22:32:34 <Ammler> at least for different types 22:33:11 <Yexo> Ammler: you mean force people to use a certain layout in their pcx files? 22:33:33 <Ammler> well, or let them define it at start 22:34:09 <Yexo> imo that is more something to implemenbt later as an extension 22:34:25 <planetmaker> force: not good. But possibility to define layouts: very good :-) And as an extension, yes 22:34:39 <Ammler> something like layout { tile 64 99 -31 -59 } { vehicle xx xx xx xx } etc... 22:34:55 <Yexo> for example: spriteset(name, "path_to_pcx", layout-name); <- that would only work after layout-ame was defined earlier 22:34:56 *** ODM has quit IRC 22:35:58 <Yexo> it is a very nice idea, and I'll definitely keep it in mind, but as I said earlier: I want a working version as soon as possible, then we can discuss extensions like this 22:37:34 <Hirundo> I'll look at it tomorrow 22:37:37 <Hirundo> goodnight 22:37:39 <Yexo> btw Hirundo I added you as manager to the project, you should be able to do anything now 22:37:41 <Yexo> gn :) 22:39:12 *** GT has quit IRC 22:43:02 <Ammler> Rubidium: does it build the opengfx self? 22:44:56 <Ammler> (the mirror thing you added) 22:45:10 <planetmaker> nope 22:45:43 <Ammler> then we can't the official place of the binaries? 22:45:48 <Ammler> change* 22:46:07 <planetmaker> we cannot do that, yes. At least as far as I understood 22:46:21 <Rubidium> you can; it only makes releasing a bit harder 22:46:33 <Rubidium> and the old releases without sources haven't been added either 22:46:49 <planetmaker> ok... how can we update those mirrors? 22:47:02 <Ammler> we can't that is what makes it harder ;-) 22:47:38 <Ammler> needs a pull from rubi like IS compile, I assume? 22:49:00 <Rubidium> yeah, I need to add them manually 22:49:11 <planetmaker> hm... 22:49:16 <Rubidium> i.e. I need to have the binaries somewhere I can download them from 22:49:17 <planetmaker> sub-optimal 22:49:34 <Rubidium> true 22:49:54 <Rubidium> but in *any* case you need to poke me or TB 22:50:00 <planetmaker> :-) 22:50:18 <Ammler> well, it shouldn't hurt 22:50:39 <Ammler> if Rubidium releases a new openttd, he can check if there is a new baseset 22:50:44 <Rubidium> the whole compile thing can be done on our server, but updating packages there is a bit hard 22:51:08 <Rubidium> i.e. nforenum and grfcodec wouldn't be updated that often 22:51:41 <planetmaker> hm? You mean not providing nightlies for them anymore? 22:51:43 <Rubidium> anyhow... you still need to poke me for pushing bananas mirrors 22:52:01 <Ammler> planetmaker: we don't close our server, or do we? 22:52:07 <Rubidium> planetmaker: more like, of CF making the release binaries and your CF making the nightlies 22:52:25 <Rubidium> but I think that's more cumbersome than writing a script that gets the binaries from your server 22:52:27 <planetmaker> Rubidium: I don't think that's really helpful 22:52:38 <planetmaker> yeah 22:53:53 <planetmaker> it has to be uploaded to bananas anyway. And to bundles. So the easiest is actually if I test integrity with the source build on my machine and cross-check with another machine. And then upload everything from this computer 22:53:58 <Ammler> Rubidium: why should download binaries be more complicated than downloading sources and build self? 22:55:13 <planetmaker> once our newgrf CF builds tags automatically, it's easy to check for the md5sum it produces. If it agrees with my local one, I'll upload my local zip to bananas. 22:55:34 <planetmaker> everything else with copying files from a 3rd machine would make things unnecessarily complicated 22:56:13 <Ammler> I do not care that much, I am happy there is a official mirror 22:57:17 <planetmaker> well, sure. But I wouldn't want to make a commit more complicated than necessary ;-) 22:57:23 <planetmaker> s/commit/release/ 22:58:08 <planetmaker> but as bananas requires a sync-trigger in those cases... no difficulty imposed at least on my end then :-) 22:58:49 <planetmaker> and a script to grab the latest releases from bundles and putting it into openttd.org/download-... is probably easily written, too 22:59:49 <Ammler> if we have the finger ready :-) 23:00:11 <planetmaker> :-) 23:00:17 <planetmaker> I should go to bed... 23:02:17 <planetmaker> Now that we have mirrors I can sleep well, resting assured that our stuff will in nearly any case remain available :-) 23:02:24 <planetmaker> Have a good night :-)