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07:45:45  <Brot6> OpenTTD-GUI - Revision 15343:f68564fc67f5: (svn r19967) -Update from WebTranslator v3.0: (translators) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/openttd-gui/repository/revisions/f68564fc67f5
07:45:46  <Brot6> OpenTTD-GUI - Revision 15344:a9f2d0977ed9: (svn r19968) -Fix [FS#3876](r19955): the 'list of ship... (SmatZ) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/openttd-gui/repository/revisions/a9f2d0977ed9
07:45:46  <Brot6> OpenTTD-GUI - Revision 15345:a9b892d0bf4a: (svn r19969) -Change: swap 'list of ships' and 'list o... (SmatZ) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/openttd-gui/repository/revisions/a9b892d0bf4a
07:45:47  <Brot6> OpenTTD-GUI - Revision 15346:e6e789790783: Merge: Update to trunk r19969 (planetmaker) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/openttd-gui/repository/revisions/e6e789790783
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09:13:42  <Alberth> when trying to download the dutchdj.grf from https://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/dutchtrainset/files, my browser thinks it is a HTML file :p
09:14:35  <Ammler> and the problem is?
09:14:53  <Alberth> last time I checked, a .grf file is not html text
09:15:18  <Ammler> yes, but does that matter on download?
09:15:37  <Alberth> ie, it should be served as binary data
09:16:06  <Alberth> what does HTTP say about newline handling of text files?
09:16:22  <Alberth> https://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/dutch  <-- link at the projects overview page
09:16:30  <Alberth> which gives 'internal error'
09:17:28  <Alberth> https://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects  <-- this page
09:19:09  <Ammler> then it isn't just https://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/openttd
09:19:40  <Ammler> the patch has it's bugs
09:19:47  <Ammler> -'
09:20:52  <planetmaker> https doesn't work?
09:21:21  <Ammler> nothing to do with https, does it?
09:21:38  <Alberth> no, http:// ...  also fails
09:22:08  <Ammler> it is something with the hg patches
09:22:35  <Ammler> the old redmine is still available at http://new.dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/openttd
09:22:43  <planetmaker> ah, yes...
09:23:04  <planetmaker> he... the "old" redmine under the URL "new..."? ;-)
09:23:30  <Alberth> that looks like a different link
09:25:09  <Ammler> the old redmine doesn't have hash support or tags/branches
09:26:00  <Alberth> at https://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects , there is a NewGRFs header, below it are several  links directly under it, including "Dutch" that points to the broken link https://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/dutch   (it gives 'internal error' when clicking at it).  Below "Dutch" is the Dutch Train Set and the Dutch Station Set
09:26:32  <Ammler> Alberth: confirmed ;-)
09:27:08  <Ammler> I will report it, you think, I should change back to the old redmine?
09:31:45  <Alberth> There is only a broken link?
09:32:11  <Alberth> if so, then going back seems a bit drastic
09:34:26  <Ammler> well, switching the versions isn't really complicated, as you see we still run both versions
10:10:21  <Brot6> NFO Meta Language - Revision 292:0e6e28a0a5fa: Add: Townnames regression test. (Alberth) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/nml/repository/revisions/0e6e28a0a5fa
10:13:39  <planetmaker> Rubidium: http://www.grsites.com/sounds/ <-- interesting for OpenSFX?
10:13:40  <Webster> Title: Absolute Sound Effects Archive (at www.grsites.com)
10:13:50  <planetmaker> Free for private AND commercial use. No questions asked
10:14:03  <planetmaker> ^ also @ andythenorth
10:14:06  <planetmaker> Farm sounds :-)
10:14:18  <planetmaker> and DJNekkid train sounds ;-)
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10:59:45  <DJNekkid> sounds? what? where?
11:05:14  <SmatZ> @seen Rubidium
11:05:14  <Webster> SmatZ: Rubidium was last seen in #openttdcoop.devzone 6 days, 16 hours, 13 minutes, and 24 seconds ago: <Rubidium> ~2 weeks
11:07:04  <planetmaker> http://www.grsites.com/sounds/ <-- DJNekkid
11:07:05  <Webster> Title: Absolute Sound Effects Archive (at www.grsites.com)
11:08:25  <planetmaker> http://www.catskillarchive.com/rrextra/sopage.Html <- I want those sounds. But I don't really find contact info
11:08:26  <Webster> Title: TRAIN SOUNDS (at www.catskillarchive.com)
11:08:28  <planetmaker> :-(
11:10:28  <Ammler> whois the domain
11:11:34  <Ammler> Mallery, Timothy  tmallery@catskillguide.com
11:12:10  <Ammler> "good" webadmins don't need to hide whois infos ;-)
11:12:54  <Ammler> that seems a European behavior
11:13:52  <planetmaker> yes, but the domain owner is not the file creator
11:14:38  <planetmaker> "This is an archived copy of Thomas Ehrenreich's Railroad Extra Website
11:14:39  <planetmaker> It is no longer being maintained..."
11:17:18  <Ammler> well, you could still ask him
11:17:22  <Ammler> maybe he can help you
12:55:43  <frosch123> SmatZ: isn't rubidium in andorra or so?
12:59:12  <planetmaker> he said to be travelling
12:59:22  <planetmaker> returning on 18th to NL
13:00:22  <frosch123> i know when he returns, but i do not know when he wanted to leave :)
13:00:23  <SmatZ> I don't know where he is :)
13:00:35  <SmatZ> but the fact I haven't seen him for few days is disturbing
13:00:53  <planetmaker> yep, it is :-)
13:03:44  <Ammler> Rubidium: is still here
13:03:58  <Ammler> he just does ignore you
13:04:08  <planetmaker> :-P
13:09:45  <Alberth> didn't he have a 10 days travel pass? Since he returns at the 18th, he probably left at the 8th or 9th
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13:32:05  <SmatZ> :)
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16:18:44  <Brot6> firs: update from r905 to r906 done (2 errors) - http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/firs/nightlies/r906
16:19:15  <Brot6> fish: update from r372 to r375 done (1 errors) - http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/fish/nightlies/r375
16:19:50  <Ammler> is andythenorth the only working guy?
16:20:13  <Brot6> nml: update from r290 to r292 done - http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/nml/nightlies/r292
16:20:19  <Brot6> Following repos didn't need a nightlies update: 2cctrainset (r545), 32bpp-extra (r36), airportsplus (r50), bros (r12), comic-houses (r70), heqs (r320), newgrf_makefile (ERROR r99), nmts (r16), nutracks (r69), ogfxplus (r27), opengfx (r459), openmsx (r57), opensfx (r94), snowlinemod (r12), swedishrails (r25), test (ERROR r47), worldairlinersset (r643)
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17:44:38  <Brot6> guimq - Revision 0:c31882daeed3: Add: Widgets for tabs (planetmaker) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/openttd-gui-mq/repository/revisions/c31882daeed3
17:44:38  <Brot6> guimq - Revision 1:c26e6a46779e: Change: Use a tab widget in the newgame window (planetmaker) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/openttd-gui-mq/repository/revisions/c26e6a46779e
17:49:07  <Ammler> planetmaker: you should store the mq in .hg/patches also serverside
17:49:13  <Ammler> so someone can qclone
17:54:03  <Ammler> if you clone trunk serverside, it doesn't need any disk space
18:24:45  <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 907:cb5b0d9ff092: Add: Add parameters for map size and m... (planetmaker) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/firs/repository/revisions/cb5b0d9ff092
18:26:48  <planetmaker> Ammler: I don't understand. What should I add?
18:27:18  <planetmaker> the openttd-gui-mq is the repo of the patches
18:27:30  <planetmaker> e.g. it is the hg repo in openttd-gui/patches
18:27:58  <Ammler> oh, it isn't mq to trunk?
18:28:13  <planetmaker> it is a mq to trunk
18:30:01  <Ammler> then I would clone trunk and put the mq there
18:30:37  <Ammler> hg clone trunk guimq
18:30:53  <Ammler> and your patches to guimq/.hg/patches
18:33:39  <planetmaker> hm
18:35:07  <Ammler> :-)
18:35:16  <Ammler> what an answer :-P
18:35:33  <planetmaker> :-)
18:36:05  <planetmaker> but it would break the rule that one can just clone the default URL for a project
18:36:16  <Ammler> he?
18:36:38  <Ammler> you can quite easy clone the queue a lone
18:36:42  <Ammler> alone*
18:37:10  <Ammler> either qclone hg.openttdcoop.org/guimq
18:37:17  <planetmaker> like hg clone http://dev.openttdcoop.org/hg/openttd-gui-mq . ?
18:37:28  <Ammler> or clone hg.openttdcoop.org/quimq/.hg/patches
18:38:06  <Ammler> that is how bitbucket.org handles
18:38:09  <planetmaker> there must have been a goal
18:38:18  <Ammler> goal?
18:38:43  <planetmaker> in the football game germany-australia
18:38:58  <planetmaker> there was suddenly a loud noise from everywhere ;-)
18:39:07  <Ammler> oh, you don't watch?
18:39:10  <planetmaker> :-)
18:39:35  <planetmaker> I forgot to activate the livestream ;-)
18:40:40  <planetmaker> yes, there was one :-)
18:41:15  <planetmaker> ah... good idea to up the quality settings for the stream :-)
19:08:20  <planetmaker> Ammler: what is then now the advantage to be able to use hg qclone?
19:08:52  <Ammler> then you clone trunk with the patches
19:09:21  <planetmaker> and how does that trunk get updated?
19:09:29  <Ammler> planetmaker: how should someone else work with your queue?
19:09:42  <planetmaker> clone the queue in a repo?
19:09:43  <Ammler> planetmaker: by you or by a script
19:10:10  <Ammler> for instance with tagging
19:10:40  <Ammler> or with a file like we have in the is2-patches
19:11:18  <planetmaker> hm, so basically it means: I clone a trunk to where the patches are now
19:11:24  <planetmaker> and then create a patches dir there
19:11:39  <Ammler> yep, or you qclone your local repo
19:11:58  <Ammler> hmm, no
19:12:12  <Ammler> it would be better to clone our trunk repo
19:12:28  <Ammler> so we don't waste diskspace
19:13:24  <planetmaker> it's limited anyway
19:13:36  <Ammler> limited?
19:13:55  <Ammler> well, I suggest it so you can test how it would work :-)
19:14:09  <planetmaker> the disc space on our server
19:14:45  <Ammler> well, the repo uses around 80MB, that doesn't really count
19:16:33  <planetmaker> what's the adv. then cloning the server repo over just qcloning my whole dir?
19:17:23  <Ammler> well, I would need to clone trunk and your queue seperately
19:17:44  <Ammler> with qclone, I could do that at once
19:19:19  <planetmaker> I'm just qcloning my dir
19:21:02  <Ammler> yes :-)
19:22:30  <planetmaker> the trunk repo should receive daily updates IMHO
19:22:46  <Ammler> it does update daily already
19:23:23  <Ammler> http://hg.openttdcoop.org/trunk
19:23:42  <planetmaker> yes... but... then I'm doing it now wrong with a new copy ;-)
19:24:03  * andythenorth wonders if it's time for some advanced varact 2
19:24:08  <andythenorth> maybe in a bit
19:24:11  <Ammler> that is why I suggested cloning it serverside
19:24:17  <Ammler> but it doesn't really matter
19:25:23  <Ammler> we thought about a script which does update the repo and apply the series with tagging
19:25:29  <planetmaker> how would cloning it server side changed it?
19:25:47  <Ammler> a serverside clone of trunk is only around 1MB
19:25:59  <Ammler> thanks to links
19:27:10  <planetmaker> can that be fixed?
19:27:19  <Ammler> what need to be fixed?
19:27:33  <planetmaker> the clone of the repo :-)
19:27:40  <Ammler> do we care about +-80MB?
19:27:49  <planetmaker> I don't see how it would make a difference, if I cloned it server-side
19:28:03  <Ammler> just do it, you will see :-)
19:29:30  <Ammler> hmm, did you remove your patch queue?
19:30:05  <planetmaker> I renamed the old dir
19:30:10  <planetmaker> I didn't yet remove it
19:32:31  <Ammler> 94M     trunk
19:32:33  <Ammler> 488K    trunk.clone1
20:13:37  <Brot6> OpenTTD-GUI-PatchQueue - Revision 0:c31882daeed3: Add: Widgets for tabs (planetmaker) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/openttd-gui-mq/repository/revisions/c31882daeed3
20:13:37  <Brot6> OpenTTD-GUI-PatchQueue - Revision 1:c26e6a46779e: Change: Use a tab widget in the newgame window (planetmaker) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/openttd-gui-mq/repository/revisions/c26e6a46779e
20:14:14  <Ammler> planetmaker: not what I meant :-P
20:14:34  <planetmaker> hm, might be old info
20:15:29  <Ammler> and AGAIN, the name of a project doesn't need to be like the repo or identifier
20:16:28  <Brot6> NFO Meta Language - Revision 288:092d12fa71ae: Codechange: Import action1 module. (Alberth) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/nml/repository/revisions/092d12fa71ae
20:16:28  <Brot6> NFO Meta Language - Revision 289:0b7a0ba23a67: Codechange: Import action10 module. (Alberth) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/nml/repository/revisions/0b7a0ba23a67
20:16:41  <planetmaker> http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/openttd-gui-mq/repository
20:16:56  <Alberth> ?
20:17:20  <planetmaker> ^  Better, Ammler ?
20:17:49  <Alberth> Brot6 is a bit slow, apparently :)
20:17:55  <Ammler> pm, yes :-)
20:18:04  <planetmaker> it just wasn't updated there yet
20:18:31  <planetmaker> and Brot gave the news... somewhat late :-)
20:18:58  <Ammler> Alberth: that is still the same issue
20:18:59  <planetmaker> or it got the news in a way I don't understand
20:19:17  <Ammler> news?
20:20:29  <planetmaker> repo updates
20:20:53  <planetmaker> when it broadcast it, I didn't update the repo yet and was just about to rectify that
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20:43:16  <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 908:91c4d0136cc0: Fix: map cluster parameter now calcula... (andythenorth) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/firs/repository/revisions/91c4d0136cc0
20:44:51  <Brot6> OpenTTD-GUI-PatchQueue - Revision 0:c31882daeed3: Add: Widgets for tabs (planetmaker) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/openttd-gui-mq/repository/revisions/c31882daeed3
20:44:51  <Brot6> OpenTTD-GUI-PatchQueue - Revision 1:c26e6a46779e: Change: Use a tab widget in the newgame window (planetmaker) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/openttd-gui-mq/repository/revisions/c26e6a46779e
20:46:24  <Ammler> hmmhmmm
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21:30:40  <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 909:1240d19bb37c: Feature: clustering scales by map size... (andythenorth) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/firs/repository/revisions/1240d19bb37c
21:30:40  <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 910:c1d4fe1eb728: Change: updated comment on map cluster... (andythenorth) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/firs/repository/revisions/c1d4fe1eb728
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22:29:23  <Brot6> NFO Meta Language - Feature #1008: verify that the program using the generated grf is new enough (yexo) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/1008#change-2596
22:42:23  <Brot6> NFO Meta Language - Bug #993 (Closed): module md5 is deprecated (yexo) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/993#change-2597
22:44:39  <Brot6> NFO Meta Language - Feature #984: regression test (yexo) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/984#change-2598
22:59:33  <Brot6> NFO Meta Language - Bug #985: conditional expressions (yexo) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/985#change-2599
23:04:25  <Brot6> NFO Meta Language - Feature #983: changes to handling expressions (yexo) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/983#change-2600
23:12:07  <Brot6> NFO Meta Language - Feature #963: Real action2 for industries (production callback) (yexo) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/963#change-2601

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