Log for #openttdcoop.devzone on 1st July 2010:
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06:34:47  <planetmaker> good morning
06:37:12  <DJNekkid> good morning and good ... something :) im leaveing for amserdam for a few days now... tty when im back :) middle of next week or so
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06:37:26  <Rubidium> now already?
06:37:35  <Rubidium> 9 hour travel to the airport?
06:38:17  <Rubidium> poor soul
06:40:26  <planetmaker> or work inbetween. Who knows
06:40:49  <Rubidium> although... last time I was at an airport it took 8 hours to get home as well
06:40:57  <planetmaker> he
06:41:30  <Rubidium> though... I didn't use the plane to arrive there; it was just a stop of the train I took
06:41:39  <planetmaker> plane looks fast. Add checkin, waiting time and security and the time to and from the airport, if you consider downtown your destination and it suddenly is not as fast anymore
06:42:25  <Rubidium> don't forget changing aircraft if you're not going to a major airport
06:44:00  <planetmaker> indeed.
06:44:18  <planetmaker> though the same applies for train travel
06:44:23  <Rubidium> and for east-west flights the wind is quite important as well
06:46:24  <Rubidium> planetmaker: but... for trains you usually don't have to traverse a terminal... of almost 2 km!
06:46:36  <planetmaker> :-)
06:47:00  <Rubidium> talking of Washington Dulles concourse D + C
06:47:11  <planetmaker> but waiting times of the same order
06:47:26  <planetmaker> it takes to walk that distance
06:48:13  <Rubidium> in the NL there are hardly any routes where a transfer would take more than 30 minutes
06:48:15  <planetmaker> Frankfurt and Munich also have quite long distances between A and B...
06:48:31  <planetmaker> Rubidium: I walk 2 km easily in 30 minutes ;-)
06:50:44  <Rubidium> now imagine you have 50 minutes for that distance... but you have to go through immigration, customs and security when almost *all* European incoming flights of that day arrived just before you
06:51:05  <Rubidium> I'm sure you're not going to make it
06:53:08  <Rubidium> oh, don't forget you have checked baggage which you need to claim before customs, but can "return" after security
06:54:25  <planetmaker> nope, with that burocracy added, 30 minutes is too little. Usually
06:55:00  <planetmaker> Though I had it already that I came back from Brazil at Charles-de-Gaule. And all I needed was waving my passport and that's it
06:55:36  <Rubidium> yeah, European entering Europa is easy and quick
06:55:41  <planetmaker> And just walk with my baggage through customs at the "nothing to declare" lane
06:55:47  <planetmaker> yep.
06:55:51  <planetmaker> And that's good :-)
06:56:38  <Rubidium> although arriving at Tokyo Narita isn't bad either
06:57:23  <planetmaker> dunno. Kansai Intl. is fine, qoo
06:57:26  <planetmaker> *too
06:58:09  <Rubidium> deboard plane, take a sanitary break, take the monorail to the main terminal, no queue at immigration, get a sticker is your passport, short walk to health "check", down the stairs to the baggage claim and the bags are already on the belt
06:58:30  <Rubidium> it's quite amazing they got it there within 10 minutes from landing
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07:11:21  <Rubidium> your ottd_grf repository clones seems quite out-of-date
07:14:20  <planetmaker> hm, that's the openttd extra newgrf?
07:14:28  <planetmaker> I didn't know we had such repo even...
07:15:48  <Rubidium> yes
07:26:34  <Brot6> OpenTTD-GUI - Revision 15411:91b9ca8a6d87: (svn r20036) -Fix [FS#3911]: tram tracks didn't show a... (Rubidium) @
07:26:34  <Brot6> OpenTTD-GUI - Revision 15412:d387c0cfc063: (svn r20037) -Update from WebTranslator v3.0: (translators) @
07:26:34  <Brot6> OpenTTD-GUI - Revision 15413:548eebf98bf6: (svn r20038) -Change: move SafeSaveOrLoad a bit (Rubidium) @
07:26:36  <Brot6> OpenTTD-GUI - Revision 15414:34aa63070d5b: (svn r20039) -Fix [FS#3907]: instead of loading the in... (Rubidium) @
07:26:40  <Brot6> OpenTTD-GUI - Revision 15415:417c1d54e529: (svn r20040) -Codechange: some coding style + using pr... (Rubidium) @
07:26:44  <Brot6> OpenTTD-GUI - Revision 15416:a64be9e2f0b1: Merge with trunk r20040 (planetmaker) @
07:26:57  <Rubidium> you had to merge?!?
07:27:16  <planetmaker> I just up'ed the code base. Had to... no
07:27:24  <planetmaker> It was no effort
07:27:54  <Rubidium> oh... it's not ottd-grf :)
07:28:00  <planetmaker> :-)
07:29:50  <planetmaker> hm, our public project webpage has no such reference to it, has it?
07:30:00  <Rubidium> dunno
07:30:25  <Rubidium> probably not
07:30:56  <Rubidium> I don't see one
07:31:54  <planetmaker> hm, yes loged into the server it's there.... like from April last year
07:32:24  <planetmaker> updated... but... why? :-)
07:33:23  <Rubidium> don't know
07:33:31  <Rubidium> ask the person that added it
07:33:58  <Rubidium> there seems to be more crap in there though
07:34:01  <Rubidium> e.g. fatmap
07:34:03  <planetmaker> yep, there is
07:34:37  <planetmaker> But ... I won't delete that :-) I don't want to alienate unnecessarily the person who thought it's a good idea easily implemented ;-)
07:35:27  <planetmaker> that has a web entry:
07:38:37  <Rubidium> it's so utterly dead
07:39:19  <planetmaker> it hasn't ever been alive, if you ask me
07:39:36  <planetmaker> it was like "oh I have a great idea"
07:40:06  <planetmaker> without any subsequent work
07:40:21  <Rubidium> like 99% of the ideas
07:42:34  <planetmaker> well. yes
07:42:50  <planetmaker> still, better have more ideas than time to work than vice versa :-)
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08:58:26  <Brot6> Swedish Rails - Revision 109:8260320ee894: Feature: Support for TTRS roads in TTDPatch (planetmaker) @
09:12:39  <Brot6> Swedish Rails - Revision 110:14c2b76c273b: Change: Adopt the ingame description to the extended m... (planetmaker) @
09:29:18  <Brot6> Swedish Rails - Revision 111:353d37b0bdd8: Add: Use the normal ground overlay sprites also for br... (planetmaker) @
09:33:58  <Brot6> Swedish Rails - Revision 112:e486775f97c2: Fix (r111): Compile before commit (planetmaker) @
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10:22:21  <Brot6> Swedish Rails - Revision 113:bcca7f8da601: Feature: Use overlay tracks on bridges, allowing there... (planetmaker) @
10:28:55  <Brot6> NewGRF Meta Language - Revision 521:bf0288ef2536: Add: {PARAM} string code for use in error messages (yexo) @
10:30:30  <planetmaker> thanks for the doc fix, Yexo :-)
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11:05:17  <Brot6> Swedish Rails - Revision 114:e7c01db8e0e3: Doc: Update known bugs (planetmaker) @
11:16:16  <planetmaker> 1063 lines of NML code already in SE rails :-)
11:17:08  <Ammler> planetmaker: we could make a subdir "debug" for special files, which might be interesting but not needed for the usual players
11:17:21  <Ammler> like .nfo or .nml or whatever
11:17:34  <Ammler> in bundles.o.o
11:17:41  <planetmaker> rather put that in logs
11:18:03  <Ammler> also fine with me
11:18:10  <Ammler> maybe an other name then?
11:18:25  <planetmaker> hm.
11:18:37  <planetmaker> yes. maybe. But I don't have a good proposal
11:18:42  <Ammler> :-)
11:18:44  <Ammler> info
11:18:50  <Rubidium> or use a magic script for the user-download-website
11:18:53  <Ammler> docs
11:19:12  <planetmaker> docs would imply the readme is there. And not the logs
11:19:21  <Ammler> Rubidium: I once asked Truebrain for yours, but that might be nexted in the cms
11:19:28  <Ammler> nested*
11:19:46  <Rubidium> it's in the vcs
11:20:00  <Ammler> well, we could generate a index.html
11:20:29  <Rubidium> yeah, and with a script hide useless stuff for normal users
11:20:46  <planetmaker> Hm... That sounds like the best solution actually
11:21:06  <Rubidium> that's what the download page does as well
11:21:15  <planetmaker> or at least more desirable than a bunch of sub dirs presented
11:21:31  <Ammler> Rubidium: the binary mirror?
11:21:45  <Rubidium> Ammler: no, the download-stable page
11:22:03  <Rubidium> but it could be used on the binary mirror as well
11:22:39  <Rubidium> besides that *we* use server side scripts to make a guess of the OS and put that into the generated html
11:23:05  <Rubidium> you just hardcode the "you're a stupid user" into the html instead of the guess of the OS
11:23:41  <Ammler> oh, thats not a django?
11:23:46  <Ammler> part of*
11:24:19  <Rubidium> what is meant with "that"?
11:24:24  <Ammler> the download page
11:24:36  <Rubidium> the changes of the page when selecting something in the dropdown boxes?
11:24:44  <Ammler> yes
11:24:51  <Rubidium> that's pure client side javascript
11:25:02  <Rubidium> just take a look at the source of the page
11:25:10  <Ammler> yes, I could
11:25:34  <Rubidium> you'll see all binaries in the source but don't see all of them in the browser
11:27:36  <planetmaker> wtf. I cannot rcon to the devzone?!
11:27:51  <Ammler> :-)
11:27:59  <planetmaker> I mean ssh
11:31:17  <Ammler> [13:28] <Stablean> Ammler: Inconsistency detected by rtld.c: 1088: dl_main: Assertion `main_map != ((void *)0)' failed!
11:31:23  <Ammler> nice error on our server :-)
11:31:45  <planetmaker> reboot initiated
11:31:54  <Ammler> ok, I quite much hate that
11:32:04  <Ammler> specially the bouncer rejoin
11:32:05  <planetmaker> so do I
11:32:26  <Ammler> also there are currently some services, which I still didn't add to autostart
11:32:31  <Ammler> like the webirc
11:32:39  <Ammler> or the hg push server
11:33:16  <planetmaker> hm
11:33:38  <Ammler> the hg push server runs on user ottdc
11:33:45  <Ammler> I started it in the screen
11:33:57  <Ammler> ~/hgweb/
11:34:10  <planetmaker> oh, it's already running again?
11:34:16  <Ammler> I don't think
11:34:26  <Ammler> the server didn't reboot yet
11:34:36  <planetmaker> ok, so I thought
11:34:37  <Ammler> you will see that, when we rejoin
11:34:48  <planetmaker> :-) true
11:34:56  <planetmaker> the system is going down for halt NOW ;-)
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11:35:28  <Ammler> ...
11:35:35  <planetmaker> there you go :-)
11:35:38  <Ammler> no
11:35:42  <planetmaker> but where are the others?
11:35:50  <Ammler> I am not here with bouncer
11:35:54  <planetmaker> ah
11:36:01  <planetmaker> true
11:36:46  <Ammler> server is up again
11:36:53  <Ammler> now start the services
11:36:56  <Ammler> :-)
11:38:55  <planetmaker> why did you start it without "&"?
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11:39:20  <Ammler> what?
11:39:33  <Ammler> the push server?
11:39:47  <Ammler> I started it in screen
11:41:05  <Ammler> I didn't document those steps, because I still think, we need a better solution
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11:41:39  <Ammler> I guess, I setup a quick reboot page
11:41:51  <planetmaker> :-)
11:41:59  <planetmaker> And we should really go for a dedicated one
11:42:06  <planetmaker> Especially as Osai wants to join in
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11:43:36  <Ammler> where is Ammler?
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11:43:41  <Ammler> :-)
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11:55:58  <Ammler> I guess, it was a issue with memory
12:05:40  <Ammler> planetmaker:
12:05:59  <Ammler> is that somehow doable?
12:07:25  <planetmaker> or course, why not? :-)
12:08:45  <Ammler> you know the bash feature ctrl-r ?
12:09:18  <Ammler> I login as root and "su - user"
12:09:35  <Ammler> so I don't need to login for every different user
12:09:56  <Ammler> afaik, your key is also installed for root
12:11:27  <planetmaker> my key is installed for root and I have an alias here to login as root with a single command ;-)
12:11:45  <planetmaker> but I don't know a ctrl+r feature for bash
12:11:47  <Ammler> I could at least setup some autostart scripts for qwebir
12:11:58  <Ammler> you should try it :-)
12:12:09  <planetmaker> what does it do?
12:12:28  <Ammler> autocomplete the command from history
12:12:33  <planetmaker> ah
12:12:49  <planetmaker> actually, I'm currently loged in as root ;-)
12:13:09  <planetmaker> and I ususally do so when I need more than one user (like for CF issues with bundles)
12:13:10  <Ammler> that is why the "-" is important with su
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13:22:16  <Brot6> NewGRF Meta Language - Bug #1048 (New): use 'year_loaded' leads to unexpected end of sprite with ... (planetmaker) @
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13:28:37  <Brot6> NewGRF Meta Language - Bug #1048: use 'year_loaded' leads to unexpected end of sprite with replace (Hirundo) @
13:30:59  <Brot6> NewGRF Meta Language - Bug #1048: use 'year_loaded' leads to unexpected end of sprite with replace (yexo) @
13:37:39  <Brot6> NewGRF Meta Language - Bug #1048: use 'year_loaded' leads to unexpected end of sprite with replace (planetmaker) @
13:41:18  <Brot6> NewGRF Meta Language - Bug #1048 (Confirmed): use 'year_loaded' leads to unexpected end of sprite... (planetmaker) @
13:41:18  <Brot6> NewGRF Meta Language - Bug #1048 (Confirmed): use 'year_loaded' leads to unexpected end of sprite... (yexo) @
14:13:25  <Brot6> NewGRF Meta Language - Revision 522:107a0f3f32cc: Fix: off-by-one error when an if-block had to b... (yexo) @
14:15:48  <Brot6> NewGRF Meta Language - Bug #1048 (Closed): use 'year_loaded' leads to unexpected end of sprite wi... (planetmaker) @
14:15:48  <Brot6> NewGRF Meta Language - Bug #1048 (Closed): use 'year_loaded' leads to unexpected end of sprite wi... (yexo) @
14:21:02  <planetmaker> thanks, Yexo :-)
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14:49:38  <Brot6> Swedish Rails - Revision 115:89108fdbe14a: Fix: Alignment of modern level crossings (planetmaker) @
15:28:19  <Hirundo> swedish rails look very nice :)
15:30:41  <planetmaker> thanks :-)
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15:31:28  <planetmaker> well... as usual, when Irwe starts drawing the results are stunning :-)
15:46:43  <Ammler> he had a good teacher
15:49:35  <Brot6> Swedish Rails - Revision 116:156bc59dd42c: Add: Template for conditional sprite replacement (planetmaker) @
15:49:35  <Brot6> Swedish Rails - Revision 117:d0355fd21f48: Change: Allow also modern depot for TTDPatch (planetmaker) @
15:49:35  <Brot6> Swedish Rails - Revision 118:fd6ea5e391fd: Change: Use the replacement template also for TTDP lev... (planetmaker) @
15:53:34  <Ammler> oh, ttdpatch now working?
15:53:44  <Yexo> no
15:54:34  <Yexo> original bugreport is from monday (3 days ago), yesterday around this time I also posted the possible cause of the problem but still no reaction at all
15:56:48  <Ammler> I just wonder, how pm can still code for ghosts :-)
15:58:00  <planetmaker> yes, indeed
15:58:33  <Yexo> by using a paramter to test the ttdpatch behavior in openttd
15:58:46  <Yexo> the ttdpatch code is just sprite replacement, that also works in openttd if the railtypes part is disabled
15:59:27  <planetmaker> Yexo: that's what I do :-)
15:59:55  <Yexo> it was an answer to Ammler question :)
16:00:12  <Ammler> hmm, you could test it on an pre-railtypes openttd
16:00:15  <planetmaker> but indeed it begs the question: what for, if it never will be used except by me (and possibly you,...) for openttd debuging...
16:00:28  <planetmaker> Ammler: then testing it with parameter is easier
16:00:35  <planetmaker> I won't start an openttd < 1.0 with it
16:00:49  <planetmaker> especially as the parameter is present since the start :-)
16:00:50  <Ammler> well, how you know, your parameters works?
16:00:55  <planetmaker> yes, I do
16:01:06  <planetmaker> I see the sprites change
16:01:14  <planetmaker> TTD base sprites show when using OpenGFX
16:01:28  <Ammler> ok :-)
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16:19:10  <Brot6> nml: update from r520 to r522 done -
16:19:51  <Brot6> swedishrails: update from r108 to r118 done -
16:19:54  <Brot6> Following repos didn't need a nightlies update: 2cctrainset (r559), 32bpp-extra (r36), airportsplus (r50), bros (r12), comic-houses (r70), firs (r1011), fish (r375), heqs (r320), newgrf_makefile (r104), nmts (r16), nutracks (r79), ogfxplus (r32), opengfx (r461), openmsx (r78), opensfx (r94), snowlinemod (r12), worldairlinersset (r648)
16:41:43  <Brot6> Swedish Rails - Revision 119:68b40f2ef4f4: Change: Move the sprite templates for the TTD level cr... (planetmaker) @
16:41:43  <Brot6> Swedish Rails - Revision 120:7cdee07a1d19: Feature: [TTDP] Modern style level crossings in TTD an... (planetmaker) @
16:43:13  <Brot6> Swedish Rails - Revision 121:61b312b87810: Fix: Too much white space in readme (planetmaker) @
16:51:42  <Brot6> Swedish Rails - Revision 122:83dba329ab9f: Doc: Update 'known bugs' with the level crossing glitc... (planetmaker) @
17:28:05  <Brot6> repository /home/ottdc/hg-repos/ammler registered in Redmine with url /home/ottdc/hg-repos/ammler
17:28:05  <Brot6> repository /home/ottdc/hg-repos/ammler created
17:28:15  <Ammler> hmm
17:30:12  <planetmaker> hg pull ammler
17:30:15  <planetmaker> does that hurt?
17:30:20  <planetmaker> :-D
17:30:21  <Ammler> ?
17:30:28  <planetmaker> hg push ammler
17:30:28  <Ammler> hehe
17:30:32  <Ammler> autsch
17:30:44  * planetmaker hugs Ammler
17:30:48  <planetmaker> hg hug? hm...
17:30:55  <planetmaker> hg tip :-)
17:31:59  <Ammler> hmm, maybe we should disable Module Repository by default
17:32:11  <planetmaker> why?
17:32:44  <Ammler> so, when we create a project, it doesn't automatically create a repo
17:33:22  <Ammler> done
17:36:22  <planetmaker> ok :-)
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19:44:34  <Brot6> Redmine - Revision 3825: Refactor: extract @available_criterias to utility method. (edavis10) @
19:44:34  <Brot6> Redmine - Revision 3826: Added hook :controller_timelog_available_criterias (edavis10) @
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21:08:19  <Brot6> OpenGFX - Feature #1049 (New): Main menu title: OPEN TTD -> OpenTTD (Ammler) @
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21:37:11  <Yexo> Ammler: I think removing the space between "open" and "TTD" should be done in the code, ie for all base sets
21:37:30  <Ammler> Yexo: of course, this is just a demo :-)
21:37:39  <Ammler> you like it?
21:37:55  <Yexo> yes, I just never got around to actually coding it
21:37:56  <Yexo> :p
21:38:01  <Ammler> :-D
21:38:19  <Yexo> but if you implement it in opengfx, the proper solution (in code) can never be done because then opengfx would be broken
21:38:31  <Ammler> also the chars need to be resized proper
21:38:50  <Ammler> I made a simple bulk resize
21:40:18  <Ammler> Yexo: again, I am not planning to commit it
21:40:32  <Ammler> I just made it this way to have a easy demo
21:41:34  <Yexo> ok, good :)
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21:46:44  <Ammler> :-P
21:47:25  <Ammler> Yexo: I think, it should be easy to get someone making resized fonts.
22:19:43  <Brot6> 2cc train set - Feature #1050 (New): flexible translation strings (dan123) @
22:30:45  <Brot6> 2cc train set - Feature #1051 (New): Polish translation (dan123) @
22:45:22  <planetmaker> dan123: I have somehow (again) problems applying your patch...
22:45:58  <dan123> arghhh
22:46:30  <planetmaker> hm... this is strange.
22:46:51  <planetmaker> I always get conversions of line endings when savign from the browser window...
22:47:00  <planetmaker> And I only have that with your patches...
22:47:03  <Yexo> I can apply it without any problem here
22:47:05  <planetmaker> or maybe only this project
22:47:07  <dan123> O.o
22:47:17  <planetmaker> yeah...
22:47:43  * planetmaker wonders whether 2cctrainset uses windows line endings
22:47:52  <Yexo> 2cctrainset uses mixed line endings
22:48:00  <Yexo> some files use windows line endings and some use linux line endings
22:48:02  <planetmaker> yeah... that's the cause then
22:48:11  <dan123> kinda messy :/
22:48:21  <planetmaker> I guess when I open it in the browser first and then save, I'll have linux line endings only
22:48:30  <planetmaker> and that conflicts with the mess
22:48:39  <Yexo> and dan123 patch changes both type of files
22:48:45  <planetmaker> yeah
22:48:52  <dan123> :)
22:49:07  <planetmaker> a clear case for "don't mix line endings"
22:50:22  <dan123> it's getting kinda late, do you have something more to tell me?
22:51:39  <planetmaker> dan123: but it still changes file sprites/nfo/strings/languages.pnfo without adding the Polish translation ;-)
22:51:56  <planetmaker> hm, no. It's too late for me, too to test it properly
23:02:29  <dan123> planetmaker: no, it doesn't ;) maybe you misplaced old file that I've sent you on priv with one from tracker.
23:02:29  <dan123> they have identical names
23:03:06  <planetmaker> hm, yes
23:10:00  <Ammler> line ending:
23:10:01  <Webster> Title: EolExtension - Mercurial (at
23:10:15  <Ammler> we should revise our guide :-)
23:13:31  <Ammler> but it needs at least hg 1.5.4
23:14:26  <Brot6> Swedish Rails - Revision 123:bb1f549697f5: Change: Modern rail crossings in a red-yellow theme (planetmaker) @
23:19:52  <Brot6> Example NewGRF Project - Feature #1052 (New): Add HGExtension EOL (Ammler) @
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23:33:55  <Brot6> Example NewGRF Project - Revision 105:32b25dd4b670: Add: [#1052] Native support for .hgeol (mercu... (planetmaker) @
23:36:05  <Brot6> Example NewGRF Project - Revision 106:b458fda127cc: Change: ignore some common extensions also in... (planetmaker) @
23:37:00  <Ammler> planetmaker: maybe add comment how to configure client?
23:37:18  <planetmaker> none needed?
23:37:33  <Ammler> you need to enable the extension?
23:37:36  <planetmaker> IF the .hgeol is added to the projects?
23:37:40  <planetmaker> oh... yes :-)
23:37:42  <Ammler> hmm
23:37:58  <planetmaker> that's still needed
23:38:58  <planetmaker> I just added it to my default :-)
23:39:07  <planetmaker> ~/.hgrc
23:39:28  <Ammler> that extension is much easier then win32text
23:40:32  <Ammler> do we need to add that manually to the projects or will that happen automatically on your next update?
23:41:18  <planetmaker> I will need to do that manual. But I shall do that with the next update. Which I can do... after sleep :-)
23:42:01  <planetmaker> hm... macports still only has 1.5.2 :S
23:42:35  <Ammler> yeah, 1.5.4 is quite recent
23:43:36  <planetmaker> he... it has 1.5.3 after a port update
23:43:45  <planetmaker> oh well
23:46:01  <Ammler> then you don't need to hurry :-P
23:46:12  <Ammler> good night :-)=
23:47:03  <planetmaker> hm, but selenic's website offers 1.6 for download :O
23:52:07  <Ammler> since today :-P

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