Log for #openttdcoop.devzone on 14th July 2010:
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08:17:04  <Brot6> Swedish Rails - Feature #1035 (Closed): Add brief parameter description to ingame description (planetmaker) @
08:19:10  <Brot6> Swedish Rails - Bug #1103 (New): width of uphill track sprite (planetmaker) @
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11:09:57  <andythenorth> think mb has a fair point about maintaining DB set -> FIRS extenstion
11:10:01  <andythenorth> extension /s
11:10:24  <andythenorth> hmm
11:10:41  <andythenorth> if he can't use a CTT, he's going to have trouble with the 'spare' cargo slots in future
11:17:33  <planetmaker> yes. But it'd be easy to say 'I check for 3 bytes of the grfID' and 'it works as long as FIRS doesn't change'
11:17:55  <andythenorth> but he's never going to do that is he?  It's mb :)
11:17:56  <planetmaker> which would IMHO make more sense than 'I don't do anything as it *could* break'
11:18:03  <andythenorth> and his cargo bits will likely break
11:18:04  <planetmaker> of course he won't
11:18:13  <planetmaker> yes
11:18:13  <andythenorth> meh
11:18:13  <andythenorth> I can't help with that
11:18:17  <planetmaker> nope. No-one can
11:18:18  <andythenorth> grfid needs to change every now and then
11:18:41  <planetmaker> yes. I explained that actually in that (German) posting I linked, that FIRS did everything by the book
11:18:52  <planetmaker> as required and desired
11:19:02  <andythenorth> ho hum
11:19:07  <andythenorth> it's ironic that he can't use ctt
11:24:19  <Terkhen> hmm... he can't use them without changing the entire set?
11:25:04  <planetmaker> well. An add-on newgrf can't define one, if it wants to change engines of another newgrf (the one it adds-on to)
11:25:14  <planetmaker> it can only make use of the cargo bits directly
11:25:22  <planetmaker> or something along those lines IIRC
11:38:47  <Ammler> well, nobody stops you from including dbset table to firs or making own addon set
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11:46:20  <Rubidium> noone stops you from disabling firs if dbsetxl is found :)
11:50:03  <Ammler> me :-P
11:54:07  <planetmaker> :-D
11:54:52  * Rubidium wonders why so many still care about something ancient that doesn't support anything recent out-of-the-box
11:55:30  <Rubidium> it's like you'd be playing openttd
11:55:52  <Rubidium> and then complaining that it doesn't support swedishrails
11:56:01  <planetmaker> :-)
11:56:26  <Ammler> well, playing with it and complaining about are two different things
11:56:41  <Rubidium> or are you actually testing whether it works in TTDP 2.0r1
11:56:56  <Ammler> but I prefer glitches than disabled at all
12:58:34  <Brot6> Swedish Rails - Bug #1103 (Closed): width of uphill track sprite (planetmaker) @
12:58:34  <Brot6> Swedish Rails - Revision 139:c7a512b65301: Fix #1103: Uphill overlay track was one pixel too wide (planetmaker) @
12:58:34  <Brot6> Swedish Rails - Bug #1103 (Closed): width of uphill track sprite (planetmaker) @
13:42:18  <planetmaker> andythenorth: you removed the power plant. That warrants a grfid bump
13:42:44  <planetmaker> (unless I mis-understood your commit messages)
13:44:10  <andythenorth> hmm
13:44:12  <andythenorth> good point
13:44:27  <andythenorth> stupid power plant :P
13:51:18  <Ammler> maybe you can keep the power plant, just disable automate arise
13:51:46  <andythenorth> could be
13:53:22  <planetmaker> yep
13:53:24  <planetmaker> sounds sane
13:56:16  <Ammler> at least for 0.3 :-)
13:57:01  <Ammler> you should reflect the GRFID in the version, btw.
14:02:01  <planetmaker> how?
14:03:23  <Ammler> last byte = major version
14:03:55  <andythenorth> Ammler: go read the grfid :)
14:05:27  <Ammler> yes, 20=2.0, not 0.2.0 :-)
14:05:51  <Ammler> you should keep the minor version for bugfixes wihtout ID change
14:10:46  <Ammler> planetmaker: do you have a easy way, to detect on which commit a patch conflicts?
14:11:17  <planetmaker> Ammler: you mean grfID? Or...?
14:11:43  <Ammler> a patch for openttd
14:12:26  <Ammler> Extension rebase is btw. quite helpful to update patch
14:12:36  <planetmaker> yes, it is
14:12:48  <planetmaker> I have no quick and easy way for that end
14:13:13  <planetmaker> I can imagine one can find the lines where it fails and then do on that file a hg blame and see what revision changed it
14:13:16  <Ammler> well, if you know, you should have told
14:13:23  <Ammler> Hirundo: doesn't know
14:13:27  <planetmaker> he?
14:13:41  * planetmaker is confused
14:14:23  <Ammler> he didn't update IS2 mq, because update merged repo is easier
14:14:35  <Ammler> but with rebase, it is quite the same
14:36:12  <Ammler> findversion doesn't work with mq
14:36:24  <Ammler> as it just checks the log instead looking for parent
14:50:19  <planetmaker> Ammler: yes, updating a merged repo is easier
14:50:45  <Ammler> then rebase?
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15:50:30  <Brot6> World Airliners Set - Revision 649:063fb6a8a54d: Added New Repaints (FaddyPainter) @
16:20:20  <Brot6> swedishrails: update from r138 to r139 done -
16:21:56  <Brot6> worldairlinersset: compile of r649 failed -
16:21:56  <Brot6> Following repos didn't need a nightlies update: 2cctrainset (r573), 32bpp-extra (r36), airportsplus (r52), bros (r12), comic-houses (r70), firs (r1074), fish (r386), grfcodec (r169), heqs (r352), newgrf_makefile (r120), nforenum (r377), nml (r555), nmts (r16), nutracks (r86), ogfxplus (r39), opengfx (r466), openmsx (r86), opensfx (r96), snowlinemod (r15)
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18:08:16  <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Feature #1089: Forest in tropic (foobar) @
18:14:12  <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Bug #1099 (Closed): Brewery availability date in fund window (foobar) @
18:14:12  <Brot6> World Airliners Set - Revision 650:d44a748b5933: DevZone: NFORenum binary is now also called nfor... (Ammler) @
18:14:12  <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Bug #1099 (Closed): Brewery availability date in fund window (foobar) @
18:15:11  <Brot6> worldairlinersset: compile of r650 failed -
18:15:11  <Brot6> Following repos didn't need a nightlies update: 2cctrainset (r573), 32bpp-extra (r36), airportsplus (r52), bros (r12), comic-houses (r70), firs (r1074), fish (r386), grfcodec (r169), heqs (r352), newgrf_makefile (r120), nforenum (r377), nml (r555), nmts (r16), nutracks (r86), ogfxplus (r39), opengfx (r466), openmsx (r86), opensfx (r96), snowlinemod (r15), swedishrails (r139)
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21:08:49  <Brot6> World Airliners Set - Revision 651:f173eaca5075: Added Missing .pcx files (FaddyPainter) @
21:09:09  <Ammler> :-)
21:09:14  <planetmaker> :-)
21:09:40  <planetmaker> WAS might be THE example where it could possibly get more attention when people used NML for it :-)
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21:28:04  <Brot6> unable to change mode on /home/ottdc/hg-repos/ottdbash : Operation not permitted - /home/ottdc/hg-repos/ottdbash/.hg/tags.cache
21:30:04  <Ammler> <-- the project was private, I published it now
21:30:17  <Ammler> planetmaker: feel free to comment and extend :-)
21:30:32  <planetmaker> oh :-)
21:33:36  <Ammler> did I already whine about, that doesn't work with mq?
21:33:47  <planetmaker> nope :-P
21:33:58  <Rubidium> yes... he did!
21:34:09  <planetmaker> I have only short-term memory
21:34:15  <planetmaker> except when not
21:34:20  <Ammler> the problem is that mq does create the changeset on top of the repo
21:34:20  <Rubidium> having said that... redmine's broken
21:34:34  <Rubidium> 6.8994140625  <- don't think that's a valid file size
21:34:36  <planetmaker> how?
21:34:40  <Ammler> Rubidium: linky?
21:34:55  <Rubidium> roughly*/repository/*
21:35:03  <Rubidium> but for your please, e.g.
21:35:36  <Ammler> hmm, fine here
21:36:08  <planetmaker> fine here, too
21:36:59  <Rubidium> it doesn't say size of is 6.8994140625?
21:37:29  <planetmaker> nope
21:37:38  <planetmaker> 	6.9 KB
21:37:39  <Rubidium> and when you sign out?
21:38:00  <Ammler> 	6.9 KB 	0:2fb16c8cea95 	5 days 	Ammler 	Feature: Initial commit
21:38:01  <planetmaker> 6.9 KB
21:38:09  <Rubidium> what the F
21:38:22  <Ammler> maybe locatlization?
21:38:26  <Rubidium> for me, when signed out it's 6.8994... and when signed in it's 6.9 KB
21:38:43  <Ammler> which language do you use?
21:38:52  <Rubidium> English... what else?
21:39:10  <planetmaker> Redmine auto-detects you OS localization
21:39:15  <planetmaker> even if signed-out
21:39:17  <Ammler> oh, isn't Dutch available?
21:39:28  <planetmaker> I have German redmine when loged out and English when loged in ;-)
21:39:28  <Rubidium> I despise Dutch programs
21:39:31  <planetmaker> as I chose English
21:39:48  <Rubidium> and my OS is English
21:39:58  <Rubidium> and has been for this whole Millenium
21:40:05  <planetmaker> :-)
21:41:06  <Ammler> I see no setting for filesize
21:41:56  <Rubidium> Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux x86_64; en-GB; rv: Gecko/20100623 Iceweasel/3.6.4 (like Firefox/3.6.4)
21:42:33  <planetmaker> FF 3.6.6 here
21:43:00  <planetmaker> Rubidium: could it still be some funny (or missing?) locale
21:43:08  <planetmaker> hm... though it says en_GB
21:43:46  <Rubidium> oh... I'm using "broken" English for my user account (i.e. American) but "proper" English when not logged in
21:44:05  <Rubidium> so the proper English localisation is broken
21:44:39  <Ammler> English (British) is broken
21:44:50  <Ammler> I prefer English anyway
21:45:08  <Rubidium> that's American!
21:45:19  <Ammler> hmm, how you see that?
21:45:44  <Rubidium> well... because they have an English (British) the other must be the other "English", which is American
21:46:18  <Rubidium> and the "English" locale default is en_US, but I always change that to en_GB
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21:51:33  <Ammler> I have en only, without any country
21:51:48  <Ammler> locale is C
21:52:15  <Ammler> en_US.UTF-8
21:52:40  <Rubidium> so "broken" English, i.e. American
21:53:53  <Ammler> seems so, but then suse does also define en_US as "default" english :-(
21:54:12  <Ammler> I am sure, I wouldn't have defined that myself
21:54:45  <Rubidium> yes... most OSes/distros use en_US as default
22:16:24  <Ammler> planetmaker: you have a solution for the issue?

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