Log for #openttdcoop.devzone on 4th August 2010:
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10:38:30  <Brot6> NewGRF Meta Language - Revision 646:b0a2fec40abd: Fix: first argument to spriteblock.SpriteView s... (yexo) @
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10:53:23  <Brot6> Metro Track Set - Feature #1203 (New): rebase parameters in readme (foobar) @
10:53:23  <Brot6> NewGRF Meta Language - Revision 647:5a977818806d: Feature: allow returning a string in a switch-b... (yexo) @
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11:02:52  <FooBar> Ammler: you here?
11:03:06  <Ammler> FooBar: yes, got your link yesterday
11:03:18  <Ammler> it is fine, what does it need?
11:03:19  <FooBar> that was my question :P
11:03:32  <FooBar> it basically requires php and nothing else
11:04:11  <Ammler> I would like it using javascript
11:04:12  <FooBar> it reads directly from the filesystem
11:04:25  <Ammler> so we could make it static
11:04:47  <FooBar> what do you mean static?
11:05:44  <FooBar> it's fine if you rather not use it, after all, I wasn't asked to make this :)
11:07:11  <FooBar> also the query-string could be changed to something nicer and I prepared it for translations
11:07:15  <Ammler> I like it
11:07:18  <FooBar> :)
11:07:27  <Ammler> but I don't like the need for php
11:07:36  <Ammler> php is fine for creating it
11:07:46  <FooBar> I was afraid of that :(
11:08:08  <Ammler> I mean, you could use php to create a static html page
11:08:35  <Ammler> which I do then execute when I publish the bundle
11:09:07  <FooBar> hmmm
11:09:19  <Ammler> I guess, the openttd binaries already has the javascript
11:09:43  <FooBar> advantage of this is that the old directory structure is still available to be browsed
11:10:21  <FooBar> and some custom user-defined text could be included for every bundle (also dynamically by reading it from the repo)
11:10:53  <Ammler> yes, such things could be done on publishing
11:11:14  <FooBar> well, let me put it like this: I cannot create something like this in javascript :P
11:11:18  <Rubidium> FooBar: furthermore your thingy does not work in "links" or when javascript is disabled
11:11:41  <FooBar> Rubidium: talk to Ammler, he wanted full javascript ;)
11:11:55  <Ammler> check the source, of it does hide/unhide the wanted parts
11:12:15  <Ammler> if javascript is disabled, it might show all
11:12:20  <Rubidium> FooBar: the point is *your* implementation does not work without javascript; I cannot select the source package
11:12:35  <FooBar> that can be fixed by adding an extra submit button
11:12:42  <Rubidium> with *my* implementation (i.e. download-stable) you get a list of all packages if javascript does not work
11:13:13  <FooBar> I see
11:14:54  <FooBar> adding the submit button would make it work without javascript /and/ have it do the "best guess" of what file most people would want
11:16:24  <FooBar> try again now
11:16:33  <Rubidium> yes, although in bundle's case that is in 99% of the cases the binary zip of the NewGRF (yes, I'm ignoring some of the patch packs)
11:17:02  <FooBar> that is what it displays by default
11:17:24  <Rubidium> yep, it works
11:18:40  <FooBar> it basically does this: if you select a bundle, it checks if there is a LATEST release and then displays the zip of that.  If there's no latest, but there is a release, it displays all available releases. If there's no release, it displays latest nightly, if there is no nightly, it displays a list of all nightlies
11:18:47  <Ammler> where you have "released date" from?
11:19:07  <FooBar> that is currently directory creation
11:19:21  <FooBar> my directories are newer as I copied them
11:20:08  <FooBar> well, not creation, but modify date
11:20:20  <FooBar> it could be changed to modify date of first-shown file
11:27:45  <FooBar> if you want to view the source, try
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11:39:04  <Ammler> FooBar: instead of displaying that dynamically, you could as good write html files with almost the same script
11:39:49  <Ammler> the content of a folder never changes
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11:46:48  <FooBar> thing with html files is that they obscure the plain folder view from the browser of every directory, I don't know if that is wanted or that it's no problem
11:48:20  <FooBar> is reading the dir structure on every access too much of a strain on the server you think?
11:48:37  <Ammler> basically, it should be be mirrorable
11:49:16  <FooBar> hmmm
11:49:33  <Ammler> to a server without php :-)
11:49:53  <FooBar> I see
11:50:03  <Ammler> but there is no issue to use php for generating the page
11:50:09  <FooBar> ok
11:50:33  <FooBar> there's no issue "hiding" the real folder contents either?
11:50:54  <FooBar> as that's what will happen with tons of html files
11:51:12  <Ammler> you have one index.html
11:51:18  <FooBar> in each dir
11:51:18  <Ammler> per folder
11:51:23  <FooBar> yes, exactly
11:51:37  <Ammler> ah, I see
11:51:43  <FooBar> that means that you can view what the script allows you to view
11:51:56  <Ammler> it would hide files, which aren't on the generated index.html?
11:52:01  <FooBar> true
11:52:22  <Ammler> well, is that a problem?
11:52:27  <FooBar> currently, everything that is not .*\.md5 and .*\.txt is shown anyways
11:52:47  <FooBar> but if you would add let's say licence.txt, it will not show
11:52:48  <Ammler> the log folders don't need a index.html
11:53:10  <FooBar> it will not show the existence of a log folder either, but I don't think that's a problem
11:53:32  <FooBar> just add /log to the url and you're there :)
11:54:18  <Ammler> you can add that to the index with a title like Debugging/Logging
11:54:31  <FooBar> if you like, that can be added
11:55:46  <FooBar> say we generate a html file for each dir, do you think it's a problem that ALL html files are re-generated every time?
11:56:42  <Ammler> why is that needed?
11:56:46  <FooBar> easier :P
11:57:40  <Ammler> <-- are you aware of that?
11:58:13  <FooBar> now I am :P
11:58:16  <Ammler> real file:
11:58:58  <Ammler> that file is used to determine, if rebuilding is needed
11:59:11  <Ammler> or external apps might use it
11:59:31  <Ammler> similar to
12:00:30  <Ammler> so the script which does the finger entry could also execute the index.html generator
12:01:59  <Ammler> Usage: ./ [-u|h|q] <project> <version> <date> [<branch>] [<hash>]
12:03:42  <Ammler> so we can run "./make-index.php <project> <version> <date> [<branch>]"
12:04:04  <FooBar> hmmm, to be honest, I don't see myself creating such an index.html generator. It's far more complex than I really like making at this moment :P
12:05:36  <FooBar> maybe some other time, or maybe some joint effort
12:06:46  <FooBar> or maybe after first writing a plan of what it should do exaclty
12:06:56  <Ammler> yes :-)
12:07:19  <Ammler> well, we agree, that something more human readable should be done
12:07:33  <Ammler> best would be a redmine plugin of course :-)
12:08:39  <FooBar> maybe start a wiki at the devzone where we can write a specification for the script first
12:09:04  <FooBar> once that is agreed, the actual script can be written
12:09:51  <FooBar> start with a small list of requirements and features, then we can expand into more details
12:10:56  <FooBar> feel free to start writing your ideas down. If I'll have to start that probably will not happen today ;)
12:13:33  <FooBar> Different solution could be only running the current script at devzone, but for the download links pointing to different configurable mirrors
12:13:41  <FooBar> that's probably 5 minutes work to implement
12:13:52  <FooBar> if the mirrors is the only problem, that is
12:15:55  <FooBar> Anyways, maybe give it some thought and we can always discuss this later and decide what the script should do
12:16:39  <FooBar> if you're considering mirrors, some load-balancing should be in place as well, meaning registering download volume for each mirror and stuff like that
12:17:02  <FooBar> but I'm away for a while now. Probably back later today.
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13:54:20  <Ammler> hmm, the mirror is more meant like a backup, if the devzone isn't reachable...
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16:18:31  <Brot6> nml: compile of r647 failed -
16:18:40  <Brot6> Following repos didn't need a nightlies update: 2cctrainset (r573), 32bpp-extra (r38), airportsplus (r52), basecosts (r20), comic-houses (r71), firs (r1098), fish (r386), grfcodec (r188), heqs (r371), metrotrackset (r40), newgrf_makefile (r124), nforenum (r421), nutracks (r90), ogfxplus (r41), opengfx (r469), openmsx (r91), opensfx (r97), snowlinemod (r15), swedishrails (r140), transrapidtrackset (r15), worldairlinersset (r659)
16:21:00  <Ammler> where is it?
16:22:35  <Rubidium> yes... where is it?
16:23:26  <Brot6> NFORenum - Revision 422:6c7aec402507: Add: support for the Marathi language (Rubidium) @
16:24:07  <Rubidium> there it is!
16:24:23  <Rubidium> committed a mere 7 hours ago
16:24:28  <Rubidium> just not pushed
16:25:09  <Ammler> I meant the damn ERROR log from nml
16:26:20  <Brot6> nml: update from r645 to r647 done -
16:26:35  <Ammler> :-o
16:29:28  <Brot6> nml: update from r645 to r647 done -
16:31:23  <Ammler> wtf!
16:31:41  <Ammler> the finger file is gone :-)
16:31:47  <Ammler> how could that happen
16:34:11  <Brot6> nml: compile of r647 failed -
16:35:22  <Brot6> nml: compile of r647 failed -
16:35:53  <Brot6> nml: compile of r647 failed -
16:36:03  <Rubidium> this is getting interesting!
16:37:34  <Ammler> memory :-)
16:37:39  <Ammler> long time not seen
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16:44:16  <Brot6> swedishrails: rebuild of r140 done (Diffsize: 8) -
16:44:45  <Rubidium> damn... nml's references.html is really a bad excuse for html
16:44:56  <Rubidium> or at least some parts
16:45:18  <Ammler> missing links?
16:45:36  <Rubidium> no, just horribly failing
16:45:46  <Rubidium> ~20 errors for HTML4
16:45:49  <Ammler> yeah, no closing tags
16:45:56  <Rubidium> ~2400 erros for XHTML
16:46:59  <Doorslammer> I'm not changing the 158, not allowed to use yellow is a weak excuse
16:47:12  <Doorslammer> You have yellow in the set already
16:47:58  <Ammler> Doorslammer: do you speak about nforenum warning?
16:48:32  <Doorslammer> Errr... I have no idea what that is
16:48:33  <Doorslammer> So no
16:49:02  <Brot6> Unable to connect to Failed with 502 Bad Gateway
16:49:10  <frosch123> hmm, when does nforenum update the stuff in .nforenum?
16:49:38  <Rubidium> frosch123: whenever you define a higher version of a data file in data.cpp
16:50:37  <Rubidium> frosch123: what bit of data.cpp did you change?
16:50:52  <frosch123> maximum number of act2 operator
16:51:07  <frosch123> static const char _dat2v[]="\x0D\x11\x11"
16:51:49  <Rubidium> I think the second number needs to be increased (not 100% sure), but check the blame + diff
16:52:46  <Ammler> or simply remove that "feature" :-)
16:53:03  <Rubidium> frosch123: yes, seems to be the second
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16:56:02  <Brot6> Unable to connect to Failed with 502 Bad Gateway
16:58:25  <frosch123> <- seems to work
16:58:34  <frosch123> someone knows whether there is more to do
16:58:42  <frosch123> is the changelog "in use"?
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16:59:07  <Rubidium> I've updated it a while ago, but didn't maintain it
16:59:42  <frosch123> i put it under - Data file updates :)
17:00:05  <Brot6> Unable to connect to Failed with 502 Bad Gateway
17:00:25  <Rubidium> that's fine
17:00:32  <Rubidium> don't forget GRFCodec (escapes.h)
17:00:52  <frosch123> oh
17:02:20  <Ammler> looks like it is asking fro reboot :-)
17:02:20  <Rubidium> though that should be as easy as just copying escapes.h
17:02:48  <Ammler> nothing needs memory
17:03:23  <Rubidium> what does "free" say?
17:06:38  <Ammler>              total       used       free     shared    buffers     cached
17:06:39  <Ammler> Mem:       2097152    1178612     918540          0          0          0
17:07:01  <Brot6> Unable to connect to Failed with 502 Bad Gateway
17:07:13  <Rubidium> that really should be plenty of memory
17:07:25  <Rubidium> maybe it ran out of file descriptors or something
17:08:18  <Ammler> it would tell that like "too many open files"
17:08:35  <Ammler> restarted nginx and rails
17:09:07  <Ammler> it is just so strange
17:10:42  <Rubidium> frosch123: in one part you meantion 3 operators and in another 2, though the code is all in 3s
17:11:46  <Rubidium> did you mean 0E, 0F and 10 in the second changelog item? (If so I'll update that with the other changelog stuff
17:11:50  <frosch123> copy and paste fail :)
17:13:44  <Rubidium> hmm, is it actually 0E, 0F and 10 instead of 0D and 0E?
17:13:56  <frosch123> no, 0x14, 0x15, 0x16
17:14:15  <Rubidium> okay
17:14:31  <frosch123>
17:15:25  <Rubidium> okay
17:15:32  <frosch123> <- something missing there?
17:16:01  <frosch123> (it works)
17:16:07  <Rubidium> nope; just makes me wonder what's up with 12 and 13
17:16:43  <frosch123> <- none defined
17:17:02  <frosch123> cmp ucmp ?
17:19:01  <Rubidium> okay, if it's not define then it's fine! :)
17:19:35  <Brot6> NFORenum - Revision 424:9acf890c4867: -Update: the changelog (Rubidium) @
17:23:26  <Rubidium> *defined
17:27:01  <andythenorth> hi hi
17:27:14  <frosch123> somehow hg revert does not remove the conflict status :s
17:29:44  <Rubidium> yeah, sometimes it's a bit stupid
17:30:02  <Rubidium> hg rollback?
17:30:04  <Rubidium> hg strip?
17:30:40  <frosch123> well, doing a few iterations of hg resolve --all seems to have solved it :p
17:33:02  <frosch123> brot does not like me :)
17:36:03  <Brot6> NFORenum - Revision 425:dfa7d55a711d: Add: Escapes for AdvVarAct2 operators 12 and 13. (frosch) @
17:36:03  <Brot6> GRFCodec - Revision 189:05877fa2b624: Add: Escapes for AdvVarAct2 operators 12 to 16. (frosch) @
17:36:03  <Brot6> GRFCodec - Revision 190:2a6855a9e9fa: Update: the changelog (Rubidium) @
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17:50:19  <Brot6> #openttdcoop NewGRF package - Support #1155 (Closed): inform Zuu about change (Ammler) @
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18:10:06  <Brot6> #openttdcoop NewGRF package - Revision 262:a4e7734d8a0c: Doc: add changelog, lowercase readme (Ammler) @
18:11:36  <Brot6> #openttdcoop NewGRF package - Revision 263:82c84a67f5d4: Added tag 8.0 for changeset a4e7734d8a0c (Ammler) @
18:12:55  <Brot6> grfpack: compile of 8.0 failed -
18:14:39  <Ammler> majonaise, MEMORY :-(
18:15:51  <Hirundo> Yexo: returning string does not require the 'return' keyword?
18:16:10  <Yexo> hmm, currently not, that should be changed
18:16:31  <Hirundo> I know, it was already that way in the parser
18:20:42  <Hirundo> Adding return seems not to break any regression test, shall I commit it?
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18:23:52  <Hirundo> Yexo: Have you already worked on the operators?
18:37:13  <Brot6> NewGRF Meta Language - Revision 649:e483bd99c85b: Change: Returning a string from a switch-block ... (Hirundo) @
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18:48:36  <Yexo> Hirundo: no, I didn't work on the operators yet
18:58:58  <Rubidium> Ammler: maybe you should fix the other errors as well, like sed's unterminated stuff and the files it can't find
18:59:18  <Ammler> Rubidium: ?
18:59:29  <Rubidium> grfpack, the error log
18:59:59  <Ammler> ah, yeah fixed, but I will push after reboot
19:00:02  <Rubidium> and what's the idea behind the bananas stuff in the begin; it doesn't seem to be added to the archive
19:00:22  <Rubidium> and why rar?
19:00:23  <Ammler> to make the cfg
19:00:36  <Ammler> hmm, and fdupes
19:02:05  <Ammler> rar is history, some requested that earlier
19:02:17  <Ammler> not really needed
19:03:06  <Rubidium> you're all pushing for free (GPL) on devzone, so please don't use that prop. crap
19:15:06  <Ammler> hmm, true
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19:24:29  <Brot6> #openttdcoop - Revision 111:660a00cc6e75: [HG] Fix: mention backup on error announcement (Ammler) @
19:25:26  <Brot6> #openttdcoop NewGRF package - Revision 263:a4f1b5316a2b: Fix (r262): lowercase EVERYWHERE (Ammler) @
19:25:26  <Brot6> #openttdcoop NewGRF package - Revision 264:468fb36fea85: Change: dropped rar support (Ammler) @
19:31:03  <Ammler> well, the NewGRF package isn't GPL at all, it is mostly the opposite
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20:15:54  <Brot6> #openttdcoop NewGRF package - Revision 265:4ba5ea784e0a: Added tag 8.0 for changeset 468fb36fea85 (Ammler) @
20:18:47  <Brot6> grfpack: update from 8.0-beta1 to 8.0 done -
20:21:55  <Rubidium>  Version %{VERSION} (%{DATE})
20:21:59  <Rubidium> from the changelog :)
20:22:22  <Ammler> :-P
20:22:23  <Rubidium> sed: -e expression #1, char 23: unterminated `s' command
20:22:25  <Rubidium> still...
20:24:15  <Ammler> hmm
20:24:24  <Ammler> no idea, how to fix that
20:24:52  <Rubidium> file a bug report :)
20:25:30  <Ammler>
20:26:08  <Ammler> that thing is 3-4 years old...
20:28:56  <Ammler> also there might be a easier way to grep the GRFID
20:29:33  <Rubidium> yep
20:33:38  <Rubidium> :)
20:35:08  <Brot6> Redmine HG Patch Queue - Revision 133:beeb014b9a89: fold functional-by-nodeid.diff by toshi (Yuya Nishihara) @
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20:48:09  <Ammler> hmm, that gives a integer?
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20:52:33  <Rubidium> that's true
20:53:00  <Rubidium> but fixing that is... like adding three characters and removing one
20:58:39  <Yexo> Hirundo: did you start work on the operators or not?
20:59:39  <Hirundo> No, apart from studying the existing code to find out how it works
21:07:33  <Rubidium> what type of HTML should reference.html be?
21:07:41  <Rubidium> as every version gives errors
21:07:53  <Rubidium> although I assume it isn't XHTML as that give a mere 2450 errors
21:09:54  <Rubidium> 4.01 Strict?
21:13:54  <Yexo> currently I doubt it's even that
21:14:28  <Yexo> planetmaker introduced several tables that use syntax like: <tr><td>cel 1<td>cel 2<tr><td>cel 1 in row 2 ....
21:14:31  <Yexo> ie no closing tags
21:14:44  <Yexo> I later copied that syntax for other tables
21:19:08  <Rubidium> locally it's 4.01 Transitional now:)
21:19:53  <Ammler> %n -> %x ?
21:20:12  <Rubidium> Ammler: well %u to probably %08x
21:20:55  <Ammler> u, yes, typo
21:21:01  <Rubidium> Yexo: as you use "<code>" making it strict isn't that trivial; needs css tricks+pre I think, which I can't be bothered much about
21:21:49  <Yexo> currently I don't really care about the format of reference.html, it'll likely need an overhaul in the (near) future anyway
21:22:05  <Brot6> NewGRF Meta Language - Revision 650:7d07f4df0d7e: Fix: make reference.html at least validate as s... (Rubidium) @
21:26:38  <Ammler> hmm, now instead 30 secs, it needs 3 secs :-)
21:27:10  <Ammler> does this file have any license?
21:27:21  <Ammler> or can I just apply it to my repo?
21:28:05  <Rubidium> Ammler: what about plugging it into grfcodec?
21:30:49  <Ammler> you mean let grfcodec repo build a binary like grepGRFID?
21:30:59  <Ammler> fine with me :-)
21:31:11  <Ammler> but I don't think, _I_should do that :-P
21:31:13  <Rubidium> well, rather grfid :)
21:33:21  <Ammler> I assume, then you could merge some functions...
21:33:52  <Rubidium> unlikely (and too much work)
21:40:15  <Brot6> GRFCodec - Revision 191:b3f239cf1114: Add: simple tool to extract the GRF ID from a (New)GRF (Rubidium) @
21:40:15  <Brot6> NFORenum - Feature #1205 (New): Write man page (Rubidium) @
21:40:15  <Brot6> GRFCodec - Feature #1206 (New): grfid (Ammler) @
21:40:25  <Ammler> lol
21:42:38  <Brot6> GRFCodec - Feature #1206 (Rejected): grfid (Ammler) @
21:42:38  <Brot6> GRFCodec - Feature #1207 (New): Write man page (Rubidium) @
21:42:38  <Brot6> GRFCodec - Feature #1206 (Rejected): grfid (Rubidium) @
21:44:08  <Brot6> NFORenum - Feature #1208 (New): Incremental version numbering (Rubidium) @
21:45:07  <Brot6> NFORenum - Support #1165 (Closed): action3 railtypes default ID (Rubidium) @
21:49:37  <Ammler> I trigger grfcodec
21:50:24  <Rubidium> then trigger nforenum as well (saves some recompiles tomorrow)
21:50:47  <Brot6> grfcodec: update from r188 to r191 done -
21:51:47  <Brot6> #openttdcoop NewGRF package - Revision 265:86b1145e5edf: Fix: sed all txt files with substitutes (Ammler) @
21:51:47  <Brot6> #openttdcoop NewGRF package - Revision 266:3f8d0532c16a: Change: give the newgrflist a better name (Ammler) @
21:51:47  <Brot6> #openttdcoop NewGRF package - Revision 267:3fa8c4fe57de: Change: use native grfid tool instead ba... (Ammler) @
21:51:48  <Brot6> #openttdcoop NewGRF package - Revision 268:dd7d96048190: Change nforenum isn't required to build ... (Ammler) @
21:51:52  <Brot6> #openttdcoop NewGRF package - Revision 269:005bf73c69ed: Added tag 8.0 for changeset dd7d96048190 (Ammler) @
21:53:54  <Brot6> grfpack: update from 8.0 to 8.0 done -
21:54:29  <Ammler> now, that can't be good
21:54:34  <Ammler> grfid doesn't install
21:57:37  <Rubidium> I blame your spec
21:58:03  <Ammler> :-)
22:00:19  <Brot6> grfcodec: compile of r192 failed -
22:00:38  <Brot6> GRFCodec - Revision 192:70b5f9feda6f: Change: use make install since it is there and add grfid (Ammler) @
22:01:10  <Ammler> cp: cannot create regular file `/usr/src/packages/BUILDROOT/grfcodec-0.9.10+r2294+r192-suse1120.x86_64/usr/bin': No such file or directory <-- that you could balme Makefile
22:01:34  <Rubidium> it doesn't do mkdir -p $(INSTALLPATH) I think
22:05:09  <Brot6> GRFCodec - Revision 193:000b83117408: Fix: be sure, the install path exists (Ammler) @
22:05:32  <Brot6> grfcodec: update from r191 to r193 done -
22:06:17  <Brot6> #openttdcoop NewGRF package - Support #1155: inform Zuu about change (Ammler) @
22:07:53  <Brot6> #openttdcoop NewGRF package - Revision 269:005bf73c69ed: Added tag 8.0 for changeset dd7d96048190 (Ammler) @
22:12:04  <Brot6> grfpack: rebuild of 8.0 done (Diffsize: 605) -
22:13:35  <Ammler> oh, now I see, why I need nforenum
22:13:43  <Ammler> hmm, that might be stupid :-)
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22:29:27  <Rubidium> 2_landscape/alpine/trkfoundw.grf
22:29:42  <Rubidium> that one has ffffffff, so it won't even be loaded
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22:31:10  <Ammler> hmm
22:31:14  <Ammler> damn connection
22:31:25  <Brot6> #openttdcoop NewGRF package - Revision 270:ae02b2c8753d: Fix: nforenum not needed (Ammler) @
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