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Log for #openttdcoop.devzone on 5th August 2010:
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13:27:20  <Brot6> OpenGFX - Feature #1209 (New): airport preview sprites (yexo) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/1209
13:42:23  <Brot6> OpenGFX - Feature #1209: airport preview sprites (Ammler) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/1209#change-3024
13:51:53  <Brot6> OpenGFX - Feature #1209: airport preview sprites (yexo) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/1209#change-3025
14:16:43  <Rubidium> Yexo: do you update nforenum?
14:16:51  <Yexo> I wlil
14:17:01  <Yexo> I've alrady got updated files, just not comitted yet
14:18:10  <Yexo> http://devs.openttd.org/~yexo/airports.diff
14:18:36  <Yexo> subdata for prop 0A is copied from the industry layout, and already tested
14:19:20  <Yexo> change to act0.cpp is needed because the related feature for airport tiles(11) is airports (0D), but 0D < 11 and that wasn't supported yet
14:20:33  <Rubidium> looks okay, but please update the changelog as well
14:21:09  <Brot6> NewGRF Meta Language - Revision 651:cf3fe8243c26: Add: Support for the new action5 type AIRPORT_P... (Hirundo) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/nml/repository/revisions/cf3fe8243c26
14:30:11  <Brot6> NFORenum - Revision 426:08ac9a7c1d66: Add: support for airports (yexo) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/nforenum/repository/revisions/08ac9a7c1d66
14:37:28  <Hirundo> Yexo: Evaluating NML expressions multiple times should be avoided, right?
14:38:03  <Yexo> yes, where possible
15:29:35  <Brot6> NewGRF Meta Language - Revision 652:17225892f81d: Add: support for airport action0 properties exc... (yexo) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/nml/repository/revisions/17225892f81d
15:41:51  <Hirundo> I still find myself typing ./nml2nfo quite regularly :)
15:43:33  <Yexo> create a symlink for that ;)
15:46:31  * frosch123 has a symlink for renum :p
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16:20:20  <Brot6> nforenum: update from r421 to r426 done - http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/nforenum/nightlies/r426
16:21:34  <Brot6> nml: update from r648 to r652 done - http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/nml/nightlies/r652
16:21:46  <Brot6> Following repos didn't need a nightlies update: 2cctrainset (r573), 32bpp-extra (r38), airportsplus (r52), basecosts (r20), comic-houses (r71), firs (r1098), fish (r386), grfcodec (r193), heqs (r371), metrotrackset (r40), newgrf_makefile (r124), nutracks (r90), ogfxplus (r41), opengfx (r469), openmsx (r91), opensfx (r97), snowlinemod (r15), swedishrails (r140), transrapidtrackset (r15), worldairlinersset (r659)
16:22:55  <Brot6> 2cctrainset: rebuild of r573 done (6 errors) (Diffsize: 13) - http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/2cctrainset/nightlies/r573/log
16:23:56  <Brot6> 32bpp-extra: rebuild of r38 done (1 errors) (Diffsize: 13) - http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/32bpp-extra/nightlies/r38/log
16:24:34  <Brot6> airportsplus: rebuild of r52 done (Diffsize: 13) - http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/airportsplus/nightlies/r52/log
16:25:09  <Brot6> basecosts: rebuild of r20 done (Diffsize: 11) - http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/basecosts/nightlies/r20/log
16:25:41  <Brot6> comic-houses: rebuild of r71 done (3 errors) (Diffsize: 13) - http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/comic-houses/nightlies/r71/log
16:26:40  <Brot6> firs: rebuild of r1098 done (2 errors) (Diffsize: 13) - http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/firs/nightlies/r1098/log
16:27:30  <Brot6> fish: rebuild of r386 done (6 errors) (Diffsize: 13) - http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/fish/nightlies/r386/log
16:28:17  <Brot6> heqs: rebuild of r371 done (Diffsize: 13) - http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/heqs/nightlies/r371/log
16:28:56  <Brot6> metrotrackset: rebuild of r40 done (6 errors) (Diffsize: 13) - http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/metrotrackset/nightlies/r40/log
16:29:15  <Brot6> newgrf_makefile: rebuild of r124 done (Diffsize: 13) - http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/newgrf_makefile/nightlies/r124/log
16:29:57  <Brot6> nutracks: rebuild of r90 done (13 errors) (Diffsize: 11) - http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/nutracks/nightlies/r90/log
16:31:52  <Brot6> opengfx: rebuild of r469 done (Diffsize: 78) - http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/opengfx/nightlies/r469/log
16:32:24  <Brot6> snowlinemod: rebuild of r15 done (Diffsize: 13) - http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/snowlinemod/nightlies/r15/log
16:33:07  <Brot6> swedishrails: rebuild of r140 done (Diffsize: 8) - http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/swedishrails/nightlies/r140/log
16:33:39  <Brot6> transrapidtrackset: rebuild of r15 done (Diffsize: 11) - http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/transrapidtrackset/nightlies/r15/log
16:34:42  <Brot6> worldairlinersset: rebuild of r659 done (Diffsize: 13) - http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/worldairlinersset/nightlies/r659/log
16:34:43  <Brot6> Following repos rebuilds successful without any difference to earlier nightlies builds: ogfxplus
17:20:23  <Brot6> NFORenum - Revision 427:7eede014c704: Add: support for action 5 type 16 (Rubidium) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/nforenum/repository/revisions/7eede014c704
17:25:39  <Rubidium> anyone here working on action 5 type 16 support for OGFX?
17:26:16  <frosch123> if anyone, then ammler
17:26:23  <Ammler> not really working :-P
17:26:42  <Ammler> I thought about screenshot and crop ingame airplanes on zoom 1
17:26:52  <Ammler> airports*
17:27:00  <Ammler> but not right now
17:27:21  <frosch123> Ammler: hint: rb has likely some template for it :)
17:28:24  <Ammler> Rubidium: feel free to do it, my haven't done something yet
17:31:52  <Rubidium> roger
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17:45:33  <Brot6> OpenGFX - Revision 476:a606bc12fc7b: Feature [#1209]: support for action 5 type 16 sprites, also ... (Rubidium) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/opengfx/repository/revisions/a606bc12fc7b
17:47:50  <Brot6> OpenGFX - Feature #1209 (Closed): airport preview sprites (yexo) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/1209
17:47:50  <Brot6> OpenGFX - Feature #1209 (Closed): airport preview sprites (Rubidium) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/1209#change-3026
17:57:17  <Ammler> supi :-)
18:06:02  <Brot6> NewGRF Meta Language - Revision 655:cbedb54c3a2d: Feature: Implement xor-operator in actionD (#10... (Hirundo) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/nml/repository/revisions/cbedb54c3a2d
18:06:02  <Brot6> NewGRF Meta Language - Revision 654:30ee676e0ac1: Add: Function to prevent evaluating common sub-... (Hirundo) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/nml/repository/revisions/30ee676e0ac1
18:06:02  <Brot6> NewGRF Meta Language - Revision 653:1b92218c9890: Feature: Implement signed shift operators (<< a... (Hirundo) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/nml/repository/revisions/1b92218c9890
18:06:04  <Brot6> NewGRF Meta Language - Revision 656:9c38c7bb4b1c: Feature: Implement min/max in actionD (#1032). (Hirundo) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/nml/repository/revisions/9c38c7bb4b1c
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18:40:07  <Brot6> NewGRF Meta Language - Revision 657:e0a190ddb075: Feature: Support shift operators (<< and >>) in... (Hirundo) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/nml/repository/revisions/e0a190ddb075
18:52:13  <Brot6> OpenGFX - Feature #957: forest (foobar) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/957#change-3027
18:55:18  <Brot6> OpenGFX - Feature #942: Profit icons are too similar to "moving" icon (foobar) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/942#change-3028
19:07:33  <Ammler> about the icons, I don't like the airport icon
19:09:33  <Brot6> OpenGFX - Feature #942: Profit icons are too similar to "moving" icon (Ammler) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/942#change-3029
19:30:52  <Brot6> NFORenum - Revision 428:7db3e2422806: Add: support callbacks 0x155 and 0x156 (yexo) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/nforenum/repository/revisions/7db3e2422806
19:39:57  <Brot6> Example NewGRF Project - Code Review #1178: Make dependency checking optional (planetmaker) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/1178#change-3031
19:42:29  <Ammler> heya planetmaker :-)
19:45:49  <Yexo> planetmaker: the major problem #1178 is that the dependency check takes sometimes longer than the actual compiling process, especially on windows machines
19:46:28  <Yexo> and during development you don't need to do a depcheck every time you rebuild, so that patch should add an option to disable the depcheck, mainly useful while developing
19:46:40  <Yexo> it's not for the average user just checking out a copy of a newgrf repo
19:55:48  <FooBar> that patch is a great help for me, reduces build times by around 75%!
19:57:34  <Brot6> Example NewGRF Project - Code Review #1178: Make dependency checking optional (yexo) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/1178#change-3032
19:57:39  <Yexo> added ^^ to the entry so planetmaker does not miss it
19:57:58  <Brot6> OpenGFX - Revision 477:038f4f0faec1: Change: nforenum warning disabler not needed anymore (Ammler) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/opengfx/repository/revisions/038f4f0faec1
19:58:16  <Ammler> I guess, he isn't on irc
19:59:54  <Brot6> NFORenum - Revision 429:b0c101994a73: Add: -h as command line parameter for help (Rubidium) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/nforenum/repository/revisions/b0c101994a73
20:08:28  <Brot6> NewGRF Meta Language - Revision 658:8e4b1a571dcb: Feature: Implement hasbit(x, n) in actionD (#10... (Hirundo) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/nml/repository/revisions/8e4b1a571dcb
20:09:12  <Hirundo> s/actionD/action2 in last commit msg
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20:22:53  <Brot6> NFORenum - Revision 430:5b60ee216f74: Add: man page (closes #1205) (Rubidium) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/nforenum/repository/revisions/5b60ee216f74
20:22:53  <Brot6> NFORenum - Feature #1205 (Closed): Write man page (Rubidium) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/1205#change-3033
20:38:38  <Brot6> NewGRF Meta Language - Revision 659:ef094bfba87e: Feature: Support non-constant bit numbers in ha... (Hirundo) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/nml/repository/revisions/ef094bfba87e
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20:50:22  <Brot6> NFORenum - Revision 431:9a295ecb0a7e: Cleanup: remove old cruft related to versioning and compila... (Rubidium) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/nforenum/repository/revisions/9a295ecb0a7e
20:50:22  <Brot6> NFORenum - Feature #1208 (Closed): Incremental version numbering (Rubidium) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/1208#change-3034
20:51:05  <Rubidium> for what it's worth, I've given Dale an ultimatum of 20-08-2010 04:00 UTC for replying. Otherwise "we" are going public
20:55:14  <Yexo> thanks for the notice
20:56:02  <Rubidium> and that's after sending him two notices at 06-07 and 20-07
20:56:46  <Rubidium> at the email address of the forum, which is the only one I've got
20:57:25  <Rubidium> still quite a lot of work needs to be done though; pointing the documentation and such to the devzone and such
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21:43:52  <Brot6> GRFCodec - Revision 194:b79df6407ac7: Add: man page (closes #1207) (Rubidium) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/grfcodec/repository/revisions/b79df6407ac7
21:43:52  <Brot6> GRFCodec - Revision 195:86142f3618a7: Add: a proper make install (Rubidium) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/grfcodec/repository/revisions/86142f3618a7
21:43:52  <Brot6> GRFCodec - Revision 196:d93f4c4e36c6: Cleanup: remove old cruft related to versioning and compila... (Rubidium) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/grfcodec/repository/revisions/d93f4c4e36c6
21:43:52  <Brot6> GRFCodec - Feature #1207 (Closed): Write man page (Rubidium) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/1207#change-3035
21:43:55  <Brot6> GRFCodec - Feature #1108 (Closed): show revision number instead (or beside) hash (Rubidium) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/1108#change-3036
21:44:09  <Rubidium> Ammler: you might want to (re)check the installs of both nforenum and grfcodec; I've changed the behaviour and it's now also installing man pages and such
21:44:51  <Brot6> NewGRF Meta Language - Revision 660:8517d622e854: Feature: Support unsigned right shift using ope... (Hirundo) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/nml/repository/revisions/8517d622e854
21:45:03  <Hirundo> Yexo: What do you think of http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/1032 ?
21:46:33  <Yexo> can be closed I think :)
21:46:36  <Yexo> great work :)
21:46:58  <Rubidium> that reminds me... if you start heavily using just added stuff in your generated code, then stable OpenTTD might not support the NewGRF
21:47:21  <Yexo> we don't use the newly added stuff at all
21:47:33  <Yexo> unless I've missed something in Hirundo's commits
21:47:51  <Hirundo> No, I've kept compatibility with TTDP / 1.0.x
21:48:08  <Rubidium> aren't the shift operators like "new"?
21:48:18  <Yexo> we don't use the "new" shift operators
21:48:29  <Yexo> we emulate them with older operators
21:48:48  <Hirundo> Why is this restriction in place? "Parameters with non-constant numbers are not supported in a switch-block"
21:49:36  <Yexo> I don't have a clue
21:50:04  <Yexo> oh, I do
21:50:20  <Yexo> the problem is that it's impossible to do  param[some_action2_expression]
21:50:46  <Yexo> and "param[something_else]" can be emulated via actiond so we get a constant index
21:51:45  <Hirundo> ah ok
21:52:42  <Hirundo> So basically the list of unsupportable stuff is STORE_X and var[x] in actionD and param[$complex_foo] in action2
21:54:30  <Yexo> param[$action2_only_stuff] in action2
21:55:00  <Yexo> it's possible to support that, but then you'd get the vlaue of the parameter at runtime, and not at the time it is encountered in the script
21:55:18  <Yexo> and that's very inconsistent with how the rest of nml works, so I'd prefer not to implement that
21:56:49  <Hirundo> wouldn't that require a jump table of some sort to access the correct param number? (7F parameter is a const)
21:57:41  <Yexo> I forgot that the 7F parameter is a const, then it's not even possible
21:58:02  <Yexo> it is, but that's very ugly
21:58:28  <Hirundo> indeed :)
21:58:58  <Hirundo> I will amend some error messages to provide clearer pointers to the user about what he is doing wrong
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22:13:13  <Brot6> NewGRF Meta Language - Revision 661:44e3a37ed1ef: Change: Spit out some more specific error messa... (Hirundo) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/nml/repository/revisions/44e3a37ed1ef
22:13:13  <Brot6> NewGRF Meta Language - Bug #1032 (Closed): support all operators for both actionD and varaction2 ... (Hirundo) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/1032#change-3037
22:14:51  <Hirundo> "only 1 issue" left for 0.1.0, but that's for tomorrow
22:15:16  <Hirundo> (although that would technically be today)
22:18:02  <Yexo> biggest problem is the tile layouts for industries / airports
22:18:15  <Yexo> the rest should be fairly straight forward (still a lot of work though)
22:19:00  <Hirundo> don't forget sprite layouts for stations
22:19:10  <Yexo> oh, yes :(
22:19:49  <Hirundo> I've been thinking about splitting the layout and the sprites in the same way for both houses/industry tiles and stations
22:20:03  <Hirundo> thus abstracting away the difference
22:20:15  <Hirundo> I haven't come up with anything conclusive, though
22:21:14  <Hirundo> Also, referring to parameters by name instead of by number would be nice :)
22:21:40  <Yexo> that'd be very nice, but in no way something we _need_ for 0.1
22:21:51  <Hirundo> of course
22:22:09  <Yexo> should be quite easy though
22:22:44  <Hirundo> I just need to make up my mind enough to be pretty sure that the existing syntax can remain intact
22:23:22  <Yexo> "param foo = 3 - param[2];" <- like that?
22:23:22  <Rubidium> what's the actual goal for 0.1(.0)?
22:23:37  <Yexo> pretty much support for everything]
22:23:43  <Hirundo> somewhat like that, yes
22:24:13  <Yexo> probably excluding action2 for industries (production callback)
22:24:19  <Rubidium> oh, so "only 1 issue" is an understatement
22:24:21  <Yexo> although we might get that in before 0.1 too
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22:24:42  <Yexo> the "1 issue" is #964:
22:24:42  <Yexo> Complete the list of action0 properties and varaction2 variables
22:25:33  <Yexo> oh, another thing we need to think about: how to handle multitile houses
22:25:34  <Hirundo> production CB is pretty high on my todo list, it's basically a requirement for industry coding
22:25:56  <Rubidium> Yexo: ghehe... those things that waste 2 or 4 indices :)
22:26:08  <Hirundo> These should be defined in order, right?
22:26:12  <Yexo> yes
22:26:12  <Rubidium> yes
22:26:20  <Yexo> but it'd be a lot nicer if it was just a single entry in nml
22:26:21  <Hirundo> That'd be yes, I suppose :)
22:26:30  <Yexo> not sure how feasable that is though
22:28:15  <Hirundo> we may want to define <house>  and <housetile> or something similar
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23:39:17  <Rubidium> does the order-of-output for languages matter in NFO? As NML seems to be failing regression 006 due to a differently ordered string for me (any before Dutch instead of Dutch before any)
23:39:58  <Rubidium> and why does half of the files have execute bits and the other half not?
23:40:41  <Rubidium> (both .nml and .py)
23:40:56  <Rubidium> same that reference.html has execute bits
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