Log for #openttdcoop.devzone on 11th August 2010:
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05:41:07  <Brot6> NFORenum - Revision 463:8a67d11556dd: Add: support for action 2 variable 25 (Rubidium) @
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06:31:24  <frosch123> interesting... why does oztrans use variable 25? it is ottd-only
06:32:00  <Rubidium> you should ask him that :)
06:42:45  <Rubidium> although probably to disable his stuff when he finds something he doesn't fancy
06:44:27  <frosch123> hmm, do you know how that "// Escapes:" stuff works?
06:44:42  <Rubidium> not really
06:45:12  <Rubidium> although I think it can be used to define your own escapes by adding them
06:45:59  <Rubidium> the first character is the "action" and the order defines the "index" of them; with = you can say escapes have the same "index"
06:46:36  <Rubidium> s@index@operator/operation@g
06:47:00  <Rubidium> or condition type
06:58:05  <planetmaker> he. I guess it's used to keep canset clean and incompatible with other wagons
06:58:55  <planetmaker> something which bothered them for long: 'illegal' mixing of trainsets
07:00:39  <frosch123> so, it seems like the order of appearance inside a line defines the value of the escape. operator 10 has no escape, so it assigns a + dummy to it, which is the escape for 00, and thus is 00 is found first when resolving +
07:01:03  <frosch123> quite some magic there :)
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10:57:11  <Ammler> you guys should simply ignore non opensource newgrfs :-)
11:02:57  <planetmaker> but not bug reports from people who write those
11:04:44  <Ammler> why not?
11:04:57  <Ammler> just reject with, can't reproduce
11:05:04  <Ammler> -,
11:05:40  <Rubidium> the snippet he provided did reproduce that issue; the other issue I can't reproduce, so I'm asking for the whole NFO
11:05:41  <Ammler> well, at least you should stop talking about all the time :-)
11:07:22  <Rubidium> Ammler: and why should we ignore things that are said that are proven to be incorrect later on? Like saying he is not going to do anything for OpenTTD, yet he's using an openttd only piece of NFO...
11:08:14  <Ammler> because he never said that, have you a quote?
11:09:07  <Ammler> no, no need, I really should not talk about that set
11:09:45  <Rubidium> Ammler: exhibit A: saying OpenTTD only features are skipped;
11:09:47  <Webster> Title: Transport Tycoon Forums • View topic - Canadian Base Graphics v2.0 (CanBase) Development (at
11:10:45  <Rubidium> Ammler: exhibit B: using varaction 2 variable 25 (OpenTTD only);
11:10:46  <Webster> Title: Transport Tycoon Forums • View topic - NFORenum 4.0.0-RC1 (at
11:12:09  <Rubidium> Q.E.D. (the hypocracy that started this all)
11:13:03  <Ammler> well, if you think it is worth...
11:13:35  <Rubidium> frosch123: regarding to you tiki change of 5h ago, was there a grfcodec 0.9.11?
11:15:27  <frosch123> you know better :)
11:15:45  <Rubidium> then I'd say: no
11:18:09  <Ammler> Rubidium: maybe you can at least try to ignore canadian set forum :-)
11:19:48  <planetmaker> Ammler, why would one put him on complete ignore?
11:20:04  <planetmaker> He's TTDP-centric. But he's nice enough to report issues
11:20:34  <planetmaker> And him using his own licensing... it's his and collaborator's work and as such their choice
11:20:56  <planetmaker> But the bug reports are also valuable input. And their newgrf certainly valid and elaborate test cases
11:21:46  <Ammler> oh majonaise, maybe better you ignore me :-)
11:22:40  <Rubidium> guess you just don't care about making nforenum/grfcodec correct regardless of the means :)
11:22:44  <planetmaker> Ammler, one doesn't have to like the newgrf handling, release ideology and the attitude
11:22:52  <Rubidium> which is perfectly fine as your personal opinion
11:23:13  <Rubidium> I won't use his stuff though
11:23:40  <Ammler> planetmaker: you could simply use his bugreports without trying to find relations to the canset
11:23:41  <planetmaker> But ignoring everything said from him is not bringing any benefit either
11:23:53  <planetmaker> Ammler, yes. What else is done?
11:23:57  <Ammler> and you could stop blaming him as openttd hater at the same time
11:24:24  <planetmaker> so... your point is me kinda mocking him?
11:24:34  <planetmaker> or fr0sch doing so?
11:25:01  <Ammler> you guys yes
11:27:27  <Ammler> if you would ignore the canset thread, he would be a nice guy :-)
11:28:42  * Rubidium wonders what the "mocking" is though; it's just stating facts and your whole discussion caused writing more flammatory stuff than the 4 lines about his stuff before you started to "complain" against it ;)
11:29:15  <Rubidium> Ammler: if we ignore all his canset threads and bug reports
11:29:29  <Ammler> why "and"
11:30:04  <Ammler> Rubidium: it isn't the first time today...
11:30:33  <Rubidium> because one of the "bug reports" has a whole hissy fit about OpenTTD's developers not implementing his feature request immediately
11:31:20  <Ammler> but that might be in the canset thread, so you wouldn't have noticed it :-)
11:31:33  <planetmaker> Rubidium, I considered mocking the statement to point out the hypocricy of 'I don't use OpenTTD stuff' vs. him using var 25.
11:31:59  <planetmaker> Ammler, then just ignore talk about canset related things
11:32:06  <Rubidium> Ammler: doesn't have a canset thread
11:32:25  <planetmaker> this discussion indeed is more lengthy and mentioned it far more than anything today before related to it
11:33:31  <planetmaker> stating facts in a pointed way can be a way of mocking ;-)
11:41:58  <Ammler> Well, I just thought, it would make your life easier :-)
12:26:29  <Brot6> Metro Track Set - Feature #1224 (New): 3rd rail with catenary (michi_cc) @
12:31:32  <Brot6> Metro Track Set - Feature #1224: 3rd rail with catenary (planetmaker) @
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16:19:12  <Brot6> grfcodec: update from r218 to r222 done -
16:20:59  <Brot6> nforenum: update from r459 to r463 done -
16:21:08  <Ammler> menno
16:21:22  <Brot6> Following repos didn't need a nightlies update: 2cctrainset (r573), 32bpp-extra (r38), airportsplus (r52), basecosts (r20), comic-houses (r71), firs (r1121), fish (r386), heqs (r371), metrotrackset (r43), newgrf_makefile (r124), nml (r670), nutracks (r90), ogfxplus (r41), opengfx (r477), openmsx (r97), opensfx (r97), snowlinemod (r15), swedishrails (r141), transrapidtrackset (r15), worldairlinersset (r659)
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16:22:42  <Brot6> 2cctrainset: rebuild of r573 done (6 errors) -
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16:24:14  <Brot6> airportsplus: rebuild of r52 done -
16:24:40  <Brot6> basecosts: rebuild of r20 done -
16:25:12  <Brot6> comic-houses: rebuild of r71 done (3 errors) -
16:26:02  <Brot6> firs: rebuild of r1121 done (142 errors) -
16:27:04  <Brot6> fish: rebuild of r386 done (6 errors) -
16:27:59  <Brot6> heqs: rebuild of r371 done -
16:29:04  <Brot6> newgrf_makefile: rebuild of r124 done -
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16:32:41  <Brot6> snowlinemod: rebuild of r15 done -
16:33:22  <Brot6> transrapidtrackset: rebuild of r15 done -
16:34:32  <Brot6> worldairlinersset: rebuild of r659 done -
16:34:33  <Brot6> Following repos rebuilds successful without any difference to earlier nightlies builds: metrotrackset, opengfx
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17:55:43  <Ammler> Yexo: maybe we should merge devzone and :-)
17:56:04  <Yexo> in other words: move to the devzone?
17:57:55  <Ammler> how ever, is noai login also managed with
17:58:15  <Yexo> not 100% sure, I think it was planned but never done
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