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05:12:32  <Brot6> NFORenum - Feature #1751: How to use escape for a part of a field? (George) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/1751#change-4637
05:12:32  <Brot6> NFORenum - Feature #1751: How to use escape for a part of a field? (George) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/1751#change-4638
05:32:01  <Brot6> Bundles Update: g93be88c8 2010-11-12 cargodist   (http://finger.openttdcoop.org)
06:22:06  <Brot6> NFORenum - Feature #1746: improve warning text (George) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/1746#change-4639
07:48:36  <planetmaker> moin
08:43:55  <Terkhen> hmmm... the abbreviation for "Stone" in FIRS is still "GV"... should I change it?
08:49:56  <planetmaker> where is that seen in the user-interface?
08:50:00  <planetmaker> minimap?
08:50:07  <Terkhen> waiting cargo at the station list
08:50:28  <planetmaker> That should be changed IMHO, yes
08:50:35  <planetmaker> ST or so
08:50:46  <planetmaker> is that actually a translation issue? Or is it a general thing?
08:51:38  <Terkhen> the error is in the 7F translation... I don't know if it is translated incorrectly in other files too (in mine it was)
08:52:39  <planetmaker> it surely is in mine, too...
08:53:03  <Terkhen> it is a minor thing anyways
08:54:38  <planetmaker> hm, it was in the German one. "KS" which translates somewhat to gravel.
08:54:45  <planetmaker> or expands rather
08:55:40  <Terkhen> I don't know if this should be changed before or after the new release
08:55:45  <Terkhen> as it would invalidate all translations
08:56:06  <planetmaker> it's a translatable thing, isn't it?
08:56:45  <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 1506:6bb3d5cb21af: Change: Update Spanish translation. (Terkhen) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/firs/repository/revisions/6bb3d5cb21af
08:58:05  <Terkhen> yes
09:00:01  <planetmaker> Actually good that you brought it up... I never really paid attention to it.
09:00:06  <planetmaker> I need to adopt a few :-)
09:01:01  <Terkhen> :)
09:04:16  <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 1507:4eb8f4d0777c: Change: Update to the cargo short nam... (planetmaker) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/firs/repository/revisions/4eb8f4d0777c
09:13:04  <planetmaker> actually one of the interesting things in n0zYk's report about OpenGFX at http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=912912#p912912 is: he's using the original graphics set ;-)
09:13:06  <Webster> Title: Transport Tycoon Forums • View topic - OpenGFX+ Trains (at www.tt-forums.net)
09:13:12  <planetmaker> so it's for him completely new graphics ;-)
09:16:28  <Terkhen> I wouldn't have expected that kind of user to be interested in OpenGFX+
09:18:17  <planetmaker> yup. Me neither :-)
09:18:55  <planetmaker> though if you play FIRS you need some trains which haul your cargo
09:19:12  <planetmaker> not sure... are old wagon new cargos on bananas? I think not...
09:19:49  <Terkhen> I think it is
09:20:20  <Terkhen> but when I tried it I found it confusing, as the wagons are still using their old names
09:20:26  <planetmaker> :-)
09:21:02  <planetmaker> It's actually nicely pleasing to get some feedback on this set at last :-) also if the first one was 'lumber' is missing :-)
09:21:44  <Terkhen> feedback is always nice
09:21:51  <planetmaker> yep
09:24:08  <planetmaker> he... nice. Update to OSX 10.6.5 overwrites the boot loader (intended) but so also removes the possibility to boot from pgp-encrypted volumes...
09:24:40  <Rubidium> so now you can't boot your computer anymore?
09:25:01  <planetmaker> I didn't update so far nor is my whole disk encrypted
09:25:20  <planetmaker> Truecrypt file volume for the interesting parts is sufficient for my needs
09:25:48  <planetmaker> Just found a notice on that issue, though
09:49:03  <planetmaker> seems I can still boot and login with 10.6.5 :-)
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12:41:04  <Brot6> NewGRF Meta Language - Bug #1808: Problem with PR_BUILD_VEHICLE_WAGON (Hirundo) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/1808#change-4640
13:01:36  <Brot6> OpenGFX+ Trains - Bug #1830 (Closed): No wagon can carry lumber (planetmaker) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/1830
13:01:36  <Brot6> OpenGFX+ Trains - Revision 88:c505581813ec: Fix #1830: There were no wagons which could transport... (planetmaker) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/ogfx-trains/repository/revisions/c505581813ec
13:01:36  <Brot6> OpenGFX+ Trains - Bug #1830 (Closed): No wagon can carry lumber (planetmaker) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/1830#change-4641
13:36:04  <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Code Review #1832 (New): add MINV (Ammler) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/1832
13:39:15  <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Code Review #1832: add MINV (Ammler) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/1832#change-4643
13:40:22  <planetmaker> Ammler: the 0.5.x are compatible to eachother
13:40:50  <Ammler> yes, minv is 1457
13:41:05  <planetmaker> that's fine
13:41:06  <Ammler> at least that was the time, andy bumped the grfid
13:41:27  <planetmaker> so... what is that issue about?
13:41:41  <Ammler> but afaik, he didn't bump when the grf got incompatible, he did that with release
13:41:42  <planetmaker> or is there no MINV support so far at all?
13:42:02  <Ammler> what does "add minv" mean for you?
13:42:07  <Ammler> hmm
13:42:25  <Ammler> I just see, andy used around 1000 different a14 :-)
13:42:39  <Ammler> maybe he added that in another place with it's own a14
13:43:28  <Ammler> no "MINV" in the whole final nfo
13:44:25  <planetmaker> he doesn't use it, indeed.
13:44:44  <Ammler> 1457 is good, but maybe gould be lower
13:44:55  <Ammler> it should be the version, when it broke
13:45:08  <Ammler> could*
13:46:43  <planetmaker> I used 0.5.0 - 1
13:46:50  <planetmaker> that's fine
13:47:49  <Ammler> 1469 is wrong :-)
13:48:01  <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Code Review #1832 (Closed): add MINV (Ammler) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/1832
13:48:01  <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 1508:7c5b606face5: Add #1832: Minimum version information (planetmaker) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/firs/repository/revisions/7c5b606face5
13:48:01  <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Code Review #1832 (Closed): add MINV (planetmaker) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/1832#change-4644
13:48:09  <Ammler> but better than nothing
13:48:16  <planetmaker> 0.5.0                           1470:ca2d989c9327
13:48:34  <Ammler> yes, but compatiblity broke before 1457, not after :-P
13:48:56  <Ammler> you will teach andy something bad now
13:49:10  <planetmaker> hm
13:49:15  <planetmaker> I hope not
13:49:25  <Ammler> he will change minv on next release
13:49:33  <Ammler> instead when he breaks the compatibiltyx
13:49:44  <planetmaker> Na, we'll teach him
13:50:29  <Ammler> basically minv has nothing to do with release
13:50:33  <planetmaker> on the other hand I could even understand when he would do it like that: test games would become a pain... though maybe not with reload_newgrfs
13:50:39  <planetmaker> I know
13:51:02  <Ammler> yeah, as I said, I hope your developer flag does also ignore that :-)
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13:51:43  <Ammler> at least I mentioned it
13:52:07  <planetmaker> :-)
13:52:16  <Ammler> else I see no advantage to changing grfid
13:52:47  <planetmaker> The developer flag allows to load games with missing newgrfs, so it should work. Not sure which version it then will pick, but I think the newest
13:53:11  <Ammler> you "think" :-P
13:53:19  <Ammler> devs don't think, they know ;-)
13:53:25  <planetmaker> some time ago I tested it :-)
13:54:39  <Ammler> if someone enables that flag, is he able to see, what would happen, if he didn't enable it?
13:55:12  <Ammler> like you have a red square, but it loaded, or orange or whatever
13:55:20  <planetmaker> you'll still see that the game is missing newgrfs. And that would mean 'cannot load'
13:55:31  <Ammler> like before
13:55:32  <planetmaker> without that flag you cannot load games with missing newgrfs
13:55:49  <planetmaker> missing = incompatible also
13:56:39  <planetmaker> and yes, you'll know whether you have all newgrf, have all compatible newgrfs or whether you'll be missing one or more
13:56:42  <planetmaker> nothing changed there
13:56:45  <Ammler> next very important step would be dedicated server (console) support
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13:56:59  <Ammler> so you don't need to download everytime everything
13:57:02  <planetmaker> just the condition on which you have access to the load button
13:57:21  <planetmaker> (or modify / apply newgrf changes button)
13:57:36  <planetmaker> that's a tad more difficult, Ammler
13:58:04  <planetmaker> but something like server_autodownload_newgrfs might be good
13:58:07  <Ammler> I know, that is why frosch didn't do it :-)
13:58:32  <Ammler> well, that could also be useful for clients to autojoin
13:59:05  <Ammler> since I need to start openttd and then restart also locally
13:59:18  <Ammler> just because I don't know the pw :-)
14:04:49  <Brot6> OpenGFX+ Trains - Revision 89:032080108d37: Feature: Cargo subtype for lumber for bulk wagon (planetmaker) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/ogfx-trains/repository/revisions/032080108d37
14:05:00  <Ammler> maybe MINV should become part of Makefile.config
14:07:59  <planetmaker> I thought about that. But I see no way
14:08:17  <planetmaker> well. Could be in makefile.config. But... why then not in the grf itself?
14:10:47  <Brot6> OpenGFX+ Trains - Revision 90:89bb65e6f125: Fix: callback_flags is a bitmaks (planetmaker) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/ogfx-trains/repository/revisions/89bb65e6f125
14:10:59  <planetmaker> I'm actually thinking rather the revers, moving the grfID out of the makefile
14:13:55  <Ammler> true
14:14:04  <Ammler> with #define GRFID...
14:14:42  <planetmaker> it doesn't need a define.
14:14:48  <Ammler> (custom_tags...)
14:14:50  <planetmaker> It's only used in one place
14:14:57  <Ammler> readme?
14:15:25  <Ammler> might not be required there
14:15:29  <planetmaker> well. Is it really needed there?
14:15:40  <planetmaker> If it is needed, it's easy to copy&paste it there
14:16:17  <planetmaker> important is only the version really
14:16:38  <planetmaker> and dependent on that the name and description
14:16:40  <Ammler> yes, and minv
14:17:05  <planetmaker> minv is the same as grfID IMHO. It's needed in one place
14:17:16  <planetmaker> If in the readme, then copy&paste to there will do
14:17:35  <Ammler> that is a changing var, so you can't use it in 2 places
14:17:46  <Ammler> else you will for sure forget one on next update ;-)
14:18:01  <Ammler> isn't that the reason, the grfid was in the config file?
14:18:28  <planetmaker> hm, yes
14:18:36  <planetmaker> basically yes
14:19:05  <planetmaker> but I wonder whether it's too much trouble for the gain :-)
14:24:07  <Ammler> either it is a var or you don't add it to the readme, easy.
14:26:58  <planetmaker> true
14:27:01  <Brot6> Example NewGRF Project - Feature #1833 (New): Support MINV handling in Makefile.config (planetmaker) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/1833
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16:18:44  <Brot6> AdmiralAI - Revision 72:a4a5b8d62631: Fix: don't bulldoze a tile with a rail/road crossing when w... (yexo) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/ai-admiralai/repository/revisions/a4a5b8d62631
16:44:32  <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 1509:5f8b5bb744ab: Fix: Short names for plant fibres and... (planetmaker) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/firs/repository/revisions/5f8b5bb744ab
17:12:46  <Brot6> grfcodec: update from r786 to r788 done - http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/grfcodec/nightlies/r788
17:13:34  <Terkhen> oh, the gravel problem was reported :)
17:16:15  <planetmaker> and fixed ;-)
17:16:20  <planetmaker> I took the liberty
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17:19:40  <Brot6> ai-admiralai: update from r71 to r72 done - http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/ai-admiralai/nightlies/r72
17:21:34  <Brot6> firs: update from r1494 to r1509 done (3 errors) - http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/firs/nightlies/r1509
17:23:14  <Brot6> ogfx-trains: update from r87 to r90 done (1 errors) - http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/ogfx-trains/nightlies/r90
17:23:35  <Brot6> Following repos didn't need a nightlies update: 2cctrainset (r651), 32bpp-extra (r39), airportsplus (r69), basecosts (r22), belarusiantowns (r7), comic-houses (r71), fish (r415), frenchtowns (r4), grfcodec (r788), heqs (r504), indonesiantowns (r38), manindu (r5), metrotrackset (r56), newgrf_makefile (r232), nml (r1034), nutracks (r117), ogfx-trees (r41), opengfx (r554), openmsx (r97), opensfx (r97), smts (r19), snowlinemod (r45),
17:23:35  <Brot6> swedishrails (r188), swisstowns (r21), transrapidtrackset (r15), ttdviewer (r26), ttrs (r23), worldairlinersset (r667)
17:26:16  <Brot6> AdmiralAI - Bug #1834 (New): stopped trains in depot not sold (yexo) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/1834
17:26:26  <Brot6> 2cc train set - Feature #1835 (New): CP 1900 (Voyager1) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/1835
17:32:38  <Brot6> 2cc train set - Feature #1835: CP 1900 (Voyager1) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/1835#change-4645
17:35:33  <Terkhen> great :)
17:36:11  <Brot6> AdmiralAI - Revision 73:702cc403b1e8: Fix: sometimes trains are planned to be sold but don't end ... (yexo) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/ai-admiralai/repository/revisions/702cc403b1e8
17:38:57  <Yexo> how long does the nightly build take normally?
17:40:10  <Rubidium> depends on the amount to rebuild, so it varies quite a lot
17:40:33  <Brot6> Following repos rebuilds successful without any difference to earlier nightlies builds: 2cctrainset (7 errors), 32bpp-extra (Diffsize: 1), basecosts, comic-houses (2 errors) (Diffsize: 14), fish (4 errors), heqs, metrotrackset (Diffsize: 1), nutracks (2 errors), ogfx-trees, opengfx, smts, snowlinemod, transrapidtrackset (Diffsize: 12), ttrs (7 errors), worldairlinersset
17:41:15  <Yexo> of course. I was wondering whether 32bpp-ez-patches, clientpatches and serverpatches were also part of the nightly run started at 18:18
17:41:52  <Rubidium> nope
17:49:39  <Brot6> 2cc train set - Feature #1835: CP 1900 (DJNekkid) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/1835#change-4647
17:52:04  <Brot6> ai-admiralai: update from r72 to r73 done - http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/ai-admiralai/nightlies/r73
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19:10:49  <andythenorth> eveninq
19:14:33  <Brot6> 32bpp-ez-patches: update from r21147 to r21152 done - http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/32bpp-ez-patches/testing/r21152
19:15:57  <Terkhen> hello andythenorth
19:16:03  <andythenorth> hi
19:16:28  <Terkhen> I have already updated the Spanish translation of FIRS
19:16:43  <andythenorth> great
19:25:14  <Brot6> clientpatches: update from r21147 to r21152 done - http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/clientpatches/testing/r21152
19:27:00  <Brot6> serverpatches: update from r21147 to r21152 done (16 errors) - http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/serverpatches/testing/r21152
19:45:53  <andythenorth> planetmaker: I think FIRS 0.5.3 is ready to release....
20:11:49  <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 1510:099e70de54d1: Change: update changelog (andythenorth) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/firs/repository/revisions/099e70de54d1
20:13:04  <Ammler> isn't it strange, serverpatches now compiles again? :-)
20:13:54  <Ammler> hehe, failed
20:14:19  <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 1511:4a76827b68d0: Added tag 0.5.3 for changeset 099e70d... (andythenorth) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/firs/repository/revisions/4a76827b68d0
20:14:28  <Ammler> my fix breaks now detecting failed build
20:16:34  <Brot6> firs: update from 0.5.2 to 0.5.3 done (3 errors) - http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/firs/releases/0.5.3
20:58:40  <Brot6> AdmiralAI - Revision 74:d48e4d5ca8be: Fix: failed to load savegames saved with v25 (yexo) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/ai-admiralai/repository/revisions/d48e4d5ca8be
21:09:30  <Brot6> 2cc train set - Feature #1835: CP 1900 (Voyager1) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/1835#change-4649
21:18:47  <Brot6> 2cc train set - Feature #1836 (New): ALe.426 (Voyager1) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/1836
21:20:55  <Brot6> 2cc train set - Feature #1835: CP 1900 (Voyager1) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/1835#change-4649
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