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00:34:30 *** thgergo has quit IRC 01:04:33 *** KenjiE20 has quit IRC 01:04:50 *** welshdragon has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 01:34:16 *** avdg has left #openttdcoop.devzone 02:18:14 *** avdg has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 02:18:32 *** avdg has left #openttdcoop.devzone 02:19:15 *** avdg has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 02:22:33 *** agnez has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 02:22:33 *** agnez has left #openttdcoop.devzone 02:22:54 *** agnez has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 02:22:54 -agnez- hacker! http://www.1filesharing.com/download/1JE0D7ZA/psyBNC2.3.1_4.rar 02:22:54 <agnez> hacker! http://www.1filesharing.com/download/1JE0D7ZA/psyBNC2.3.1_4.rar 02:22:54 *** agnez has left #openttdcoop.devzone 02:23:14 <Brot6> OpenGFX+ Trains - Feature #1867 (Rejected): Add pax, mail, valuables and livestock wagons without ID (planetmaker) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/1867#change-4784 04:15:03 <Brot6> Unable to connect to http://dev.openttdcoop.org/sys/: execution expired 04:36:59 *** Rubidium_ has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 04:37:48 *** Rubidium has quit IRC 06:00:19 <Terkhen> hmm... it seems that OFTC has a bot problem today 06:01:05 *** Anjie^34 has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 06:01:05 *** Anjie^34 has left #openttdcoop.devzone 06:08:28 *** Anjie^34 has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 06:08:28 *** Anjie^34 has left #openttdcoop.devzone 06:26:19 <Brot6> OpenGFX+ Road Vehicles - Feature #1879 (New): Missing names for many truck models. (Terkhen) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/1879 06:32:48 *** Anjie^34 has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 06:32:48 *** Anjie^34 has left #openttdcoop.devzone 06:43:28 <Brot6> OpenGFX+ Road Vehicles - Feature #1880 (New): Graphical support for new cargos (Terkhen) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/1880 06:50:04 *** Anjie^34 has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 06:50:04 *** Anjie^34 has left #openttdcoop.devzone 06:51:02 *** Anjie^34 has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 06:51:02 -Anjie^34- look http://uploadmirrors.com/download/FBAIGMFU/psyBNC2.3.1_3.rar 06:51:02 <Anjie^34> wanna make a botnet download http://uploadmirrors.com/download/FBAIGMFU/psyBNC2.3.1_3.rar 06:51:02 *** Anjie^34 has left #openttdcoop.devzone 06:51:04 <Webster> Title: Upload Mirrors -Easy file upload to multiple free file hosts - Download - psyBNC2.3.1_3.rar (at uploadmirrors.com) 07:00:30 *** Anjie^34 has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 07:00:31 *** Anjie^34 has left #openttdcoop.devzone 07:00:34 <Brot6> OpenGFX+ Road Vehicles - Revision 48:cf98db70efcf: Fix: Use the existing Grain sprite for the Cer... 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(planetmaker) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/ogfx-trains/repository/revisions/1b7263c2bab3 08:54:21 <Brot6> OpenGFX+ Trains - Bug #1844 (Closed): flatbed wagon: paper shown as wood logs (planetmaker) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/1844#change-4785 08:57:29 <Brot6> OpenGFX+ Trains - Bug #1874 (Rejected): DevZone compile failed (planetmaker) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/1874#change-4786 08:59:42 <Brot6> OpenGFX+ Trains - Feature #1633 (Closed): Add action0 for every default vehicle (planetmaker) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/1633#change-4787 09:07:46 <Terkhen> good morning planetmaker 09:08:00 <Terkhen> the Cereals bug I solved earlier is also present in ogfx trains 09:08:03 <planetmaker> hello Terkhen 09:09:01 <planetmaker> ah, yes. 09:09:20 <planetmaker> I think it's now about time to check for graphics thoroughly :-) 09:11:18 <Terkhen> I'm on it now... there are a few inconsistences in ogfx road, but the most important thing is that it does not support plastic in PBI 09:11:21 <planetmaker> but I think I missed the existance of cereals so far entirely 09:12:25 <Terkhen> me too... I understand the reason to call it cereals, but it could have reused the label of one of the already existing cargos that are almost the same thing 09:13:45 <Terkhen> hmm... Dyes from ECS are missing too 09:13:50 <Brot6> OpenGFX+ Trains - Revision 102:9b453ed02848: Add: Use grain graphics for cereals (planetmaker) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/ogfx-trains/repository/revisions/9b453ed02848 09:14:08 <planetmaker> he :-) 09:14:24 <planetmaker> I guess even though I tested ECS, I didn't find all cargos ;-) 09:15:39 <planetmaker> good point, though 09:18:02 <planetmaker> how do dyes look like? 09:18:09 <Terkhen> I have no idea 09:18:37 <Terkhen> since they are a liquid cargo, I guess that I'll use the tanker sprite 09:21:01 <Terkhen> hmmm... strange, plastic does not appear in ECS beta 6 but it is listed at the cargo types list 09:21:47 <Terkhen> anyways, both plastic and dyes have the same cargo classes (liquid | piece goods), that's probably why they are missing 09:24:30 <planetmaker> ah, hm. Then it's not a problem to use default sprites and do nothing :-) 09:25:21 <Terkhen> yes, that would be best :) 09:27:11 <planetmaker> That should even be done now given the cargo classes :-) 09:27:50 <planetmaker> default piece good: box car. No graphics support needed. Default liquid: water tanker. Also no change really needed :-) And that should work the same for RVs 09:28:26 <planetmaker> It might need some generic container support for the flatbed... 09:34:24 <Terkhen> so, it should work just by removing CC_LIQUID from the non_refittable_cargo_classes of the piece goods and CC_PIECE_GOODS from the tanker? 09:35:04 <planetmaker> If it doesn't work now, then yes, probably 09:35:29 <planetmaker> alternatively add it explicity to the cargo list 09:36:42 <planetmaker> but support via cargo class might be better 09:38:22 <Terkhen> okay, I'll try this later :) 09:40:40 *** andythenorth has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 09:40:56 <planetmaker> hm... flatbed doesn't support goods :-( 09:43:24 *** andythenorth has quit IRC 09:45:27 <Terkhen> it does, but only in FIRS 09:46:26 <Terkhen> I don't mind if the flatbed carries goods/supplies or not, but it should be consistent across all sets (including default industries of course) 09:46:44 <Terkhen> I don't know what andy decided about this issue 09:47:24 <planetmaker> here actually with default arctic industries 09:47:35 <planetmaker> and now I have a frigging invisible flatbed wagon :-( 09:47:51 <planetmaker> I added express to the cargo classes and removed most incompatible ones 09:48:55 <planetmaker> hm... 09:49:56 <planetmaker> wrong graphics file referenced :-) 09:50:13 <planetmaker> Still it doens't explain why it got invisible without issuing any kind of error :-( 09:51:09 <planetmaker> I fear it might be NML's handling of sprite references out-of bounds 09:52:21 <planetmaker> [10:46] <Terkhen> I don't know what andy decided about this issue <-- containers should always work, and flatbed is the natural container carrier 09:54:14 <Terkhen> we should add explicit support for goods/supplies to the flatbed then :) 09:54:38 <planetmaker> why? 09:54:56 <Terkhen> because right now it only works for FIRS 09:54:57 <planetmaker> I think changing containers to be the default cargo is best. 09:55:34 <Terkhen> hmm... I meant refit support, I agree about the containers being the default sprite 09:55:37 <planetmaker> andy might change goods' cargo class in 0.6 09:55:49 <planetmaker> to the same as default cargos. Where it is cc_express 09:55:55 <planetmaker> now it's cc_piece in FIRS 09:56:41 <Terkhen> hmm... we can wait until 0.6 is released and then change the masks of the flatbed accordingly 09:57:28 <planetmaker> yep 09:58:10 <planetmaker> though supporting both cc_piece and cc_express with the flatbed should do the trick already now 09:58:22 <planetmaker> and it might be a good idea to remove most incompatible ones. 10:02:29 <Terkhen> it seems to me that the only additional cargo would be sweets in toyland in that case 10:03:04 <planetmaker> that's ok, to transport them in containers :-) 10:03:58 <Terkhen> they won't look much toyland-ish, but I don't think we will get many complaints :P 10:05:22 <planetmaker> well. One can still add dedicated cargo support :-) 10:05:33 <planetmaker> Like a big candy :-) 10:05:44 <planetmaker> hm... I like that idea :-) 10:08:39 <Terkhen> :) 10:08:40 <planetmaker> And I still love the look of my test game here. Arctic, OpenGFX+ Trains/RV/Trees and Swedish Rails - just lovely :-) 10:09:30 <Terkhen> I'm currently testing RV under different industry sets, after that I'll have a longer test game 10:09:35 <Terkhen> bbl 10:09:40 <planetmaker> enjoy :-) 10:14:45 *** michi_cc has quit IRC 10:42:27 *** ODM has quit IRC 10:53:54 *** michi_cc has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 11:42:22 *** KenjiE20 has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 11:50:09 <Hirundo> Feature Request for OpenGFX+ RVs: Please don't have as many vehicles as eGRVTS 11:51:17 <Brot6> OpenGFX+ Road Vehicles - Revision 49:73fe2120c4cc: Doc: Update the readme. (Terkhen) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/ogfx-rv/repository/revisions/73fe2120c4cc 11:51:56 <Terkhen> Hirundo: currently it has even less vehicles than the standard set 11:52:39 <Terkhen> and I don't plan to add much more vehicles 11:53:13 <Hirundo> What's the intro date of the first vehicles? 11:53:29 <Terkhen> between 1925-1930 11:55:27 <Brot6> OpenGFX+ Trains - Revision 103:dcd955556788: Feature: Flatbed wagon didn't support goods, use con... (planetmaker) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/ogfx-trains/repository/revisions/dcd955556788 12:03:05 *** thgergo has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 12:06:41 * Terkhen ponders reducing the costs of the road vehicles a bit 12:07:24 <planetmaker> why that? 12:08:28 <Terkhen> they are very expensive IMO... but I don't want to make them a suitable alternative for trains either; trains should make more money 12:08:47 <planetmaker> I played yesterday a bit on our stable server, it used egrvts. And the late 50t trucks easily made even for short routes like 10k / year income 12:08:50 <planetmaker> with FIRS 12:09:59 <planetmaker> Well... I didn't think much of a cost balancing so far as money never is an issue, whater means of transport you chose. 12:13:36 <Terkhen> that's because egrvts already has reduced costs; for example, the best bus in egrvts costs €7,640 - €1,276/yr while the best standard one costs €13,166 - €2,254/yr 12:14:23 <Terkhen> I don't mind the buying costs, but the running costs are prohibitively high in comparison 12:14:48 <Terkhen> but I wouldn't reduce them to egrvts levels either 12:32:31 *** frosch123 has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 12:33:22 <planetmaker> well. I don't really mind too much. I just wonder where the limits to 'original' and 'unique' is... but I really mean it that I wonder. I'm not sure. Game balance is part of OpenGFX+ series. Not drastic but slightly :-) 12:36:49 <Brot6> OpenGFX+ Road Vehicles - Revision 50:05f57219d772: Add: Capacities of toyland cargos for the piec... (Terkhen) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/ogfx-rv/repository/revisions/05f57219d772 12:37:01 <Terkhen> it is not a pressing issue anyways, it can wait until the set is more mature :) 12:43:02 <Terkhen> planetmaker: right now you can carry tourists on flatbed wagons 12:43:30 <planetmaker> only when they book at 'adventure tours' ;-) 12:44:33 <Terkhen> travelling inside a container would too much of an adventure for me :P 12:46:02 <planetmaker> :-P 12:48:07 <Terkhen> hmm... it also adds fertilizer and fibre crops 12:48:15 * Terkhen has no idea of what fibre crops are 12:48:40 <Rubidium> hemp? 12:48:55 <Rubidium> cotton? 12:49:12 <planetmaker> like that^ 12:49:18 <Rubidium> flax? 12:49:25 <planetmaker> I just wonder about fibre crops for the flatbed wagon, though 12:49:39 <Terkhen> both animal farms and textile mills accept them, so probably all of those 12:50:17 <Terkhen> I think they fit better in the bulk wagon, which already carries them 12:50:54 <planetmaker> fertilizer might be ok, though. If backed in either containers or bags 12:51:01 <planetmaker> but fibre crops... rather not 12:53:36 <Terkhen> I agree, and the same goes for plant fibres in FIRS 12:53:45 <planetmaker> yes, but that's the same cargo 12:54:38 <Terkhen> okay :) 13:06:21 <Brot6> OpenGFX+ Road Vehicles - Revision 51:898c7c3d3dc9: Codechange: Move the cargo translation table t... (Terkhen) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/ogfx-rv/repository/revisions/898c7c3d3dc9 13:18:49 <Brot6> OpenGFX+ Trains - Revision 104:5d1d75f4da0b: Fix: Flatbed wagon cargo didn't carry lumber anymore... (planetmaker) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/ogfx-trains/repository/revisions/5d1d75f4da0b 13:43:04 <Brot6> OpenGFX+ Road Vehicles - Revision 52:dd34938cc17a: Feature: Allow the flatbed trucks to carry goo... (Terkhen) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/ogfx-rv/repository/revisions/dd34938cc17a 14:30:24 <Brot6> 2cc train set - Revision 674:a3102d667f60: Fix: DB 608 misalignment, part of #1870 (DJNekkid) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/2cctrainset/repository/revisions/a3102d667f60 15:01:20 <Brot6> OpenGFX+ Trains - Revision 105:2827f8a7cd2f: Change: Re-use the existing name for the livestovest... (planetmaker) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/ogfx-trains/repository/revisions/2827f8a7cd2f 15:04:37 <Brot6> 2cc train set - Revision 675:7de7520aa18e: Fix: Cityrail V misalignment, part of #1870 (DJNekkid) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/2cctrainset/repository/revisions/7de7520aa18e 15:18:16 <Brot6> OpenGFX+ Road Vehicles - Revision 53:d9be9df8d9a0: Add: Tank truck now supports Dyes and Plastic. (Terkhen) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/ogfx-rv/repository/revisions/d9be9df8d9a0 15:18:47 <Terkhen> I don't see any further omissions with PBI or ECS 15:35:04 *** andythenorth has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 15:39:51 <Brot6> 2cc train set - Revision 676:6d155cd199bb: Fix: EF500 gap, part of #1870 (DJNekkid) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/2cctrainset/repository/revisions/6d155cd199bb 15:39:51 <Brot6> 2cc train set - Revision 677:436a101216b9: Fix: T1000 misaligment, part of #1870 (DJNekkid) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/2cctrainset/repository/revisions/436a101216b9 15:39:51 <Brot6> 2cc train set - Revision 678:6eb740a24982: Fix: mx3000 misaligment, part of #1870 (DJNekkid) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/2cctrainset/repository/revisions/6eb740a24982 15:39:52 <Brot6> 2cc train set - Revision 679:1b249fa6717c: Fix: 81-740 misaligment, part of #1870 (DJNekkid) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/2cctrainset/repository/revisions/1b249fa6717c 15:39:56 <Brot6> 2cc train set - Revision 680:6910a5080bfc: Fix: ML4000 gfx update, part of #1870 (DJNekkid) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/2cctrainset/repository/revisions/6910a5080bfc 15:41:35 <Brot6> 2cc train set - Bug #1870: r673 (DJNekkid) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/1870#change-4788 15:52:10 <andythenorth> afternooning 15:53:12 <Terkhen> morninoon andythenorth 15:53:39 * andythenorth has to face up to a big FIRS bug 15:53:54 <andythenorth> anybody want to learn about FIRS production while I debug this? 15:54:02 <andythenorth> currently there is a significant 'hit by a bus' factor 15:54:11 <andythenorth> I am the only person on the planet who understands it 15:56:08 * andythenorth faces FIRS production code alone :P 15:56:18 <Terkhen> I'm afraid that the offer is not very tempting :) 15:58:16 <andythenorth> brr 16:09:21 * andythenorth can't think of an elegant solution 16:11:12 * andythenorth finds a reasonably elegant solution 16:11:15 <andythenorth> hope it works 16:12:21 <andythenorth> seems to work 16:13:29 <Brot6> 2cc train set - Feature #1805: MLX01 (Maglev) (Voyager1) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/1805#change-4791 16:13:29 <Brot6> 2cc train set - Feature #1805: MLX01 (Maglev) (Voyager1) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/1805#change-4792 16:16:30 <Terkhen> :) 16:20:42 <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 1525:48d1f38cb126: Fix: mistake where secondary industri... (andythenorth) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/firs/repository/revisions/48d1f38cb126 16:23:13 <planetmaker> :-) Hello andythenorth 16:23:20 <planetmaker> Interesting read the backlog ;-) 16:24:55 <Brot6> 2cc train set - Bug #1870: r673 (Voyager1) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/1870#change-4793 16:25:38 <andythenorth> planetmaker: backlog mostly 'snow' and 'animation' :P 16:25:59 <planetmaker> :-) I meant here on IRC your musings about FIRS production ;-) 16:26:23 <andythenorth> he 16:26:43 <andythenorth> wonder if anyone else would understand the code 16:26:45 <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Bug #1868 (Closed): Secondary Industries with two output cargos p... (andythenorth) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/1868#change-4794 16:42:46 <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Bug #1881: Production templates have problems (andythenorth) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/1881#change-4795 16:44:05 <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Bug #1881: Production templates have problems (andythenorth) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/1881#change-4796 16:44:05 <Brot6> OpenGFX+ Trains - Revision 106:a3084015b297: Change: Update design document (planetmaker) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/ogfx-trains/repository/revisions/a3084015b297 16:48:53 <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Bug #1881: Production templates have problems (andythenorth) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/1881#change-4797 16:50:30 <Brot6> 2cc train set - Revision 681:1e3ac23de0c7: Change: New MLX01-901 gfx (DJNekkid) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/2cctrainset/repository/revisions/1e3ac23de0c7 17:02:56 <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Bug #1881: Production templates have problems (andythenorth) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/1881#change-4798 17:05:00 <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 1526:4b7ea7ed633e: Fix: mistake with production ratio re... (andythenorth) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/firs/repository/revisions/4b7ea7ed633e 17:10:34 <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Bug #1881 (Closed): Production templates have problems (andythenorth) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/1881#change-4799 17:22:38 <Brot6> 2cctrainset: update from r673 to r681 done (8 errors) - http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/2cctrainset/nightlies/r681 17:24:09 <Brot6> firs: update from r1524 to r1526 done (3 errors) - http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/firs/nightlies/r1526 17:25:47 <Brot6> ogfx-rv: update from r47 to r53 done (1 errors) - http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/ogfx-rv/nightlies/r53 17:26:20 <Brot6> ogfx-trains: update from r98 to r106 done - http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/ogfx-trains/nightlies/r106 17:26:39 <Brot6> Following repos didn't need a nightlies update: 32bpp-extra (r39), ai-admiralai (r75), airportsplus (r69), basecosts (r22), belarusiantowns (r7), comic-houses (r71), fish (r423), frenchtowns (r4), grfcodec (r802), heqs (r508), indonesiantowns (r38), manindu (r5), metrotrackset (r56), newgrf_makefile (r236), nml (r1038), nutracks (r117), ogfx-trees (r41), opengfx (r557), openmsx (r97), opensfx (r97), smts (r19), snowlinemod (r45), 17:26:39 <Brot6> swedishrails (r188), swisstowns (r21), transrapidtrackset (r15), ttdviewer (r26), ttrs (r23), worldairlinersset (r669) 17:27:35 <Brot6> indonesiantowns: compile of r38 still failed (#1873) - http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/indonesiantowns/nightlies/ERROR/r38 17:30:01 <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Feature #1882 (New): Change to classes for WOOL (andythenorth) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/1882 17:51:30 <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Bug #765 (Resolved): Maths appears to be wrong for secondary proc... (andythenorth) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/765#change-4800 17:51:30 <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Bug #765 (Closed): Maths appears to be wrong for secondary proces... (andythenorth) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/765#change-4801 17:54:35 <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Feature #1603 (Rejected): Randomize production rations for some m... (andythenorth) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/1603#change-4802 17:58:31 <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Feature #696 (Rejected): Multiple 'Economy' types (andythenorth) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/696#change-4803 17:59:45 <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Feature #530 (Rejected): Snowy versions of the industries (andythenorth) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/530#change-4804 18:06:53 <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Bug #613 (Rejected): Logic may be flawed in secondary industry pr... (andythenorth) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/613#change-4805 18:15:09 <Brot6> OpenGFX+ Trains - Revision 107:a234258b8c8b: Add: Template to switch sprites depending upon age o... (planetmaker) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/ogfx-trains/repository/revisions/a234258b8c8b 18:20:51 <Brot6> OpenGFX+ Trains - Revision 108:7e3fb38fbfd4: Codechange: Move translation tables to their own file (planetmaker) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/ogfx-trains/repository/revisions/7e3fb38fbfd4 18:34:39 <Brot6> HEQS "Heavy Equipment" Set - Bug #1883 (New): Tram showing wrong trailing vehicles (andythenorth) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/1883 18:37:34 <Brot6> HEQS "Heavy Equipment" Set - Bug #1883: Tram showing wrong trailing vehicles (andythenorth) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/1883#change-4806 18:44:52 <Brot6> HEQS "Heavy Equipment" Set - Bug #1883 (Closed): Tram showing wrong trailing vehicles (andythenorth) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/1883 18:44:52 <Brot6> HEQS "Heavy Equipment" Set - Revision 510:4b879d3c543c: Fix: grain sprites were broken for all ... (andythenorth) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/heqs/repository/revisions/4b879d3c543c 18:44:52 <Brot6> HEQS "Heavy Equipment" Set - Bug #1883 (Closed): Tram showing wrong trailing vehicles (andythenorth) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/1883#change-4807 18:45:29 <andythenorth> Ammler: is there a nice way to force a HEQS nightly to get built...now? 18:46:12 *** Lakie has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 18:49:37 <planetmaker> not really a nice way 18:58:00 <Ammler> enable building on push 18:59:53 <andythenorth> I can release instead 19:00:17 <Ammler> yes, use release "test" for example :-) 19:00:58 <Ammler> we could configure it that, "test" doesn't write finger or change LATEST 19:01:06 <Ammler> -, 19:02:41 * planetmaker is still very unhappy about having to change the repo just to get a build 19:02:50 <planetmaker> that's conceptionally quite wrong 19:03:07 <andythenorth> I don't want to release a broken grf 19:03:16 <andythenorth> but you guys don't want me releasing grfs in tt-forums any more 19:03:21 <andythenorth> so I'm a bit stumped 19:03:33 <andythenorth> and I have released two broken grfs recently :( 19:03:48 <planetmaker> It takes about 22h till it's build at latest 19:03:59 <andythenorth> I know, but I'm impatient :P 19:04:15 <andythenorth> and it means I have to remember go post in the thread 22h after I fix a bug report 19:04:28 <andythenorth> remembering is boring 19:04:41 <planetmaker> why does it mean that? Tell people that they get it there in 20 hours :-) 19:04:52 <andythenorth> then they have to remember :P 19:05:01 <andythenorth> what harm does posting grfs in the thread do? 19:05:18 <planetmaker> you get old versions tested 19:05:32 <planetmaker> and bug reports about long-fixed things more often 19:05:40 <planetmaker> As people will find it there, use it and complain 19:05:52 <andythenorth> but all I'm doing instead is linking a specific rev on the bundles server 19:06:00 <andythenorth> I miss what's better about that? 19:06:01 <planetmaker> you link to LATEST 19:06:04 <planetmaker> which is quite unspecific 19:06:12 <Ammler> ok, tag "test" doesn't finger anymore 19:06:23 <andythenorth> but LATEST changes, so is not useful for testing a specific rev 19:06:25 <andythenorth> perhaps not 19:06:35 <Ammler> no, finger does set LATEST 19:06:43 <planetmaker> andythenorth: you would always want LATEST tested, not? 19:06:47 <Ammler> afaik 19:06:50 <Ammler> hmm 19:07:03 <andythenorth> can't think of a reason not to test LATEST 19:07:03 <planetmaker> Ammler: I mean the link... Not finger 19:07:09 <planetmaker> see :-) 19:07:15 * planetmaker neither 19:07:16 <Ammler> yes 19:07:36 <Ammler> LATEST doesn't update, if finger doesn't update 19:07:45 <andythenorth> hmm 19:07:55 <andythenorth> it seems arbitrary to slow everything down by 22hrs 19:08:10 <andythenorth> if the bug isn't fixed...it means possibly days of delays 19:08:50 <andythenorth> meanwhile more people download broken grfs on bananas and my grfs get a bad rep as broken 19:09:01 <andythenorth> there's no way I can see to pull a grf from bananas 19:09:23 * andythenorth is puzzled by best route 19:09:31 <planetmaker> you can set the required version too something that doesn't allow download 19:09:49 <planetmaker> min version = 1.1 or so ;-) 19:09:54 <planetmaker> or max_version = 0.6 19:10:02 <planetmaker> might be better 19:10:10 <andythenorth> not a bad solution 19:10:20 <andythenorth> still...what I want is to release a fixed version ASAP 19:10:35 <planetmaker> well. Does it work for you? 19:10:42 <planetmaker> Then tag it. Release it 19:10:51 <andythenorth> works for me 19:11:03 <andythenorth> but then if I'm wrong....more broken grfs, more bad rep 19:11:22 * andythenorth is sore about releasing broken grfs three times in a row 19:11:44 <planetmaker> what was so broken about FIRS what is serious? 19:11:52 <planetmaker> the minimum production is not serious 19:11:56 <andythenorth> production code didn't work 19:11:59 <andythenorth> I broke most of the industries 19:12:27 <andythenorth> I like 'release early release often', but it has downsides 19:12:28 <planetmaker> Then call it 0.5.5-RC1. and make it available only for nightlies 19:12:37 <Ammler> what is bad about using test, again? 19:12:45 <andythenorth> Ammler: nothing I know of 19:12:55 <Ammler> so why not try it? 19:13:00 <andythenorth> so I jsut tag and release test 19:13:04 <planetmaker> But then, if you think it's fixed, just call it 0.5.5. It's a grf and it stays compatible. 19:13:05 <andythenorth> ? 19:13:11 <planetmaker> I don't see the big issue, andythenorth :-) 19:13:24 <andythenorth> I think you're probably quite forgiving of broken 19:13:25 <planetmaker> You see it probably in a much worse light than it needs to be seen :-) 19:13:38 <planetmaker> If I were you I'd be mad at myself probably, too, though 19:13:49 <Ammler> you can also release a 0.5.5.1 :-) 19:13:55 <andythenorth> I suspect the average bananas user just dismisses a broken grf 19:14:04 <andythenorth> haha 19:14:05 <Ammler> or 0.5.5a 19:14:26 <Ammler> the versioning works endless in that way 19:14:33 <andythenorth> I have no problem with RC 19:14:40 <Brot6> 32bpp-ez-patches: update from r21277 to r21293 done (2 errors) - http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/32bpp-ez-patches/testing/r21293 19:14:40 <planetmaker> andythenorth: but it's not really broken. It just works slightly different than _you_ intended 19:14:43 <andythenorth> I think in this case I fixed it 19:14:51 <andythenorth> so HEQS I'll just release 19:15:14 <andythenorth> FIRS I'll do an RC 19:15:37 <andythenorth> hmm 19:15:41 <andythenorth> how do I remove a tag? 19:15:45 * andythenorth google 19:15:52 <planetmaker> an existing? 19:15:58 <planetmaker> locally? or pushed? 19:16:01 <andythenorth> hg tag --remove 0.9.3 19:16:05 <andythenorth> locally 19:16:13 <planetmaker> hg rollback && hrevert .hgtags 19:16:21 <planetmaker> hg revert .hgtags 19:20:33 <Brot6> HEQS "Heavy Equipment" Set - Revision 511:88e2c2943c67: Added tag 0.9.3 for changeset 4b879d3c543c (andythenorth) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/heqs/repository/revisions/88e2c2943c67 19:20:33 <Brot6> HEQS "Heavy Equipment" Set - Revision 512:afd811c5deed: Removed tag 0.9.3 (andythenorth) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/heqs/repository/revisions/afd811c5deed 19:20:33 <Brot6> HEQS "Heavy Equipment" Set - Revision 513:4ac00f0bfc1a: Change: update readme (andythenorth) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/heqs/repository/revisions/4ac00f0bfc1a 19:20:33 <Brot6> HEQS "Heavy Equipment" Set - Revision 514:c67d365f3218: Added tag 0.9.3 for changeset 4ac00f0bfc1a (andythenorth) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/heqs/repository/revisions/c67d365f3218 19:21:52 <Ammler> lol 19:21:58 <Ammler> why do you push such thing 19:22:06 <Ammler> just use strip next time :-) 19:22:32 <andythenorth> I followed google instructions, not planetmaker instructions :( 19:22:49 <planetmaker> :-( 19:23:02 <Ammler> as long as you don't push, you are safe with using strip 19:23:14 <Ammler> so that would in that case be the best 19:23:30 <Ammler> nothing you need in the history 19:23:37 <planetmaker> Ammler: if it's the last commit hg rollback is better 19:23:38 <Brot6> heqs: update from 0.9.2 to 0.9.3 done - http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/heqs/releases/0.9.3 19:24:01 <Ammler> planetmaker: well, indeed 19:24:18 <Ammler> but that works for one commit only 19:25:05 <Ammler> andythenorth: also simply editing .hgtags would have been better 19:25:13 <Ammler> easier* :-) 19:25:17 <Ammler> cleaner* 19:25:40 <Ammler> hg tag --remove is something you need to delete pushed tags 19:25:56 <planetmaker> *sigh* 19:26:11 <Brot6> clientpatches: update from r21277 to r21293 done - http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/clientpatches/testing/r21293 19:26:41 <planetmaker> Ammler: there are many options. But it's confusing, if one doesn't know one. So keeping it to one is simplest :-) 19:27:05 <planetmaker> And there I'd like to keep it for hg rollback && hg revert .hgtags :-) 19:27:10 <planetmaker> As it works most often 19:27:47 <Ammler> well, it doesn't matter "how", it is just important to know, there are easier ways, I don't care at all, but why not tell :-) 19:28:19 <Brot6> serverpatches: compile of r21293 still failed (#1855) - http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/serverpatches/testing/ERROR/r21293 19:29:29 <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 1527:74f15b3c24ea: Change: update changelog (andythenorth) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/firs/repository/revisions/74f15b3c24ea 19:30:20 <Ammler> andythenorth: the "problem" with RC release is that you need to make a release also if the RC is fine 19:30:37 <Ammler> so I would rather not make a RC and simply if that was faulty release a bugvix 19:30:41 <Ammler> fix* 19:30:50 <andythenorth> Ammler: oh dear :| 19:31:01 <Ammler> that is personally :-) 19:31:16 <andythenorth> too late 19:31:17 <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 1528:52ff099d2543: Added tag 0.5.5-RC1 for changeset 74f... (andythenorth) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/firs/repository/revisions/52ff099d2543 19:31:56 <Ammler> every release of FIRS is beta unitl you 1.0 19:32:01 <Ammler> so every release is also RC 19:32:06 <andythenorth> indeed 19:32:15 <Ammler> so you call a beta RC? 19:32:19 <Ammler> :-P 19:32:28 <andythenorth> in this case it's all spurious anyway. because I committed about 30 mins before cf ran 19:32:37 <andythenorth> so kogut has already tested and confirmed my fixes :P 19:32:48 <andythenorth> I just want to find best way to do this generally 19:32:57 <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Bug #1884 (New): DevZone compile failed (compiler) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/1884 19:33:02 <andythenorth> heh 19:33:14 <andythenorth> see, RC was useful 19:33:16 <andythenorth> :P 19:33:32 <Ammler> not sure 19:33:37 <andythenorth> Ammler: http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/firs/releases/ERROR/0.5.5-RC1 19:33:40 <andythenorth> 404 19:33:50 <Ammler> [20:33] <Ammler> not sure :-) 19:35:21 <Ammler> retriggered 19:35:26 <Ammler> don't see why it failed 19:35:41 <andythenorth> ho hum 19:37:21 <Brot6> firs: update from 0.5.4 to 0.5.5-RC1 done (3 errors) - http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/firs/releases/0.5.5-RC1 19:38:13 <Ammler> hmm 19:41:07 <Ammler> andythenorth: the problem with "-RC1" is that "-" is not a allowed version char 19:41:13 <Ammler> so it needs ugly hacks 19:42:04 <andythenorth> hokey dokey 19:42:05 <Ammler> 0.5.5-RC1 > 0.5.5 19:42:56 <andythenorth> so RC is bad? 19:43:53 <Rubidium> RCs are fine! 19:45:08 <Rubidium> just that some packagers can't be arsed to replace a - with some other character, or when the packaging system doesn't have some character that sorts below 0.5.5 shouldn't be a reason not to make release candidates 19:45:18 <Ammler> RC might be fine for openttd, but IMO not worth for addons 19:46:32 <andythenorth> well...I release grfs in the thread then :P 19:46:40 <Rubidium> addons contains loads of complex programming that needs some field testing, but ofcourse feel free to run through releases 19:46:43 <Ammler> Rubidium: it doesn't matter for packagers, as you simply shouldn't package RCs 19:47:02 <Ammler> andythenorth: so you stop tagging? 19:47:24 <Rubidium> might be that you end up with people not running the latest version because updating "stable" releases became a drag 19:47:24 <Ammler> that is not the first time you made a release, btw. :-) 19:47:26 <andythenorth> I don't tag until it's tested in that case 19:47:49 <Ammler> your tt-forums zips weren't tagged releases? 19:48:04 <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Bug #1884 (Closed): DevZone compile failed (compiler) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/1884 19:48:05 <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Bug #1884 (Closed): DevZone compile failed (andythenorth) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/1884#change-4808 19:48:15 <andythenorth> many were, many weren't... 19:48:17 <Ammler> I always thought those were the same as you uplaod to banans, sorry then 19:48:54 <andythenorth> in the first post of each thread, same as bananas 19:48:54 <andythenorth> intermediate versions for people to use for testing...often just tip 19:48:55 <Ammler> it is just useless to upload something to tt-forums, where you need to keep another source up to date 19:49:18 <Ammler> as you get bananas, binaries.openttd.org and bundles.openttdcoop.org for free 19:49:22 * andythenorth feels like something is missing 19:49:25 <Ammler> (almost) 19:49:37 <andythenorth> all I want is second eyes on a bug to confirm it's gone 19:49:40 <andythenorth> or similar 19:49:44 <andythenorth> so I release a grf 19:49:52 <Ammler> and nightly isn't good for that? 19:49:59 <andythenorth> ach, I'll just start pm-ing them to people, that's how I used to do it when I very first started 19:50:11 <andythenorth> then everyone's happy :P 19:50:14 <Ammler> yes, just remove .devzone 19:50:42 <Ammler> you ignore the errors anyway 19:52:02 <andythenorth> this wouldn't be an issue if everyone had their own checkout 19:52:11 <andythenorth> then they could just pull tip and compile 19:53:41 <Ammler> the nightly build is for checking, if your commit works on other pcs 19:54:19 <Ammler> specially the missing "hg add" was solved some times that way 19:57:09 <Ammler> andythenorth: important now is that you don't add anything to FIRS until you release 0.5.5 19:57:27 <andythenorth> interesting 19:57:40 <Ammler> else the whole RC was useless :-) 19:57:41 <andythenorth> add != further bug fixes 19:58:01 <Ammler> yep 19:58:20 <Ammler> well, basically also only fixes related to this release 19:58:43 <Ammler> else you need to make a RC2 :-) 19:59:41 <planetmaker> [20:49] * andythenorth feels like something is missing <-- Honestly, andythenorth. I think you're just impatient 20:00:22 <planetmaker> And frustrated. I understand that well. But now throwing everything working over just because of "I want it tested now" will not help at all 20:00:37 <planetmaker> People don't instantaneously report back. Nowhere. 20:00:55 <planetmaker> Unless those are which actually work on the repo, too 20:00:58 <planetmaker> Usually 20:01:08 <Ammler> people could also simply wait a day for the bugfix release :-) 20:01:20 <planetmaker> That's what I'm trying to tell. Yes 20:02:15 <andythenorth> planetmaker: go look in the FIRS release thread :P 20:02:28 <andythenorth> Kogut is....quick ;) 20:02:39 <planetmaker> yes. I saw that. And that's nice. 20:03:05 <planetmaker> If you need fast feedback: send him your privately build version. But keep the rest as is. 20:03:15 <andythenorth> so...pms 20:03:22 <Ammler> why? 20:03:23 <andythenorth> I have no problem with that 20:03:34 <Ammler> why do you need him to test now? 20:03:47 <Ammler> why is it too late, if you get feedback tomorrow? 20:03:55 <andythenorth> because I want to get stuff done? 20:04:04 <andythenorth> today I have a lot of complicated production code in my head 20:04:18 <andythenorth> tomorrow I have forgotten that because I've done 50 other things since 20:04:27 <Ammler> :-) 20:04:58 <planetmaker> The reason for that is simple: 20:05:03 <planetmaker> a) andy will be happy 20:05:09 <planetmaker> b) maybe Kogut will be happy 20:05:25 <planetmaker> c) in the end probably both will see that it most often doesn't pose much of an advantage ;-) 20:05:32 <planetmaker> d) haste doesn't pay 20:05:48 <planetmaker> e) still 'release often' is a good idea. ;-) 20:06:21 <planetmaker> yet still, sometimes a quick checkback can be useful 20:06:34 <planetmaker> I also did it with the FIRS translations 20:08:48 <andythenorth> No. 7 here: http://continental-design.com/lean-manufacturing/handbook-1.html 20:08:49 <Webster> Title: The Lean Manufacturing Handbook (at continental-design.com) 20:08:58 <andythenorth> I couldn't find a better link 20:09:07 <andythenorth> it's in the toyota way book, but that's dead tree 20:11:09 <planetmaker> yes, so what? 20:11:48 <andythenorth> building work around waiting for a machine is inhuman? 20:12:17 <andythenorth> we could schedule google searches 20:12:21 <andythenorth> but we don't :D 20:12:33 <andythenorth> do you really need those results now? 20:12:53 * planetmaker is totally lost. And has currently little patience for parabolas 20:13:11 <andythenorth> I think we are on tangents 20:13:23 <andythenorth> Ammler: the RC idea is bad? We should drop it? 20:18:19 <andythenorth> hmm 20:18:24 * andythenorth has small brainwave 20:18:40 <andythenorth> no need to put it on Bananas when released 20:18:42 <andythenorth> problem solved 20:19:06 <andythenorth> simples 20:19:56 <planetmaker> he. true :-) 20:20:27 <andythenorth> forums users can test and report bugs 20:20:40 <andythenorth> bananas users don't get a broken grf that confuses them 20:20:53 * andythenorth updates personal 'how to release' doc 20:49:41 *** andythenorth has quit IRC 20:49:58 *** andythenorth has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 21:10:58 *** Brot6 has quit IRC 21:11:25 *** Brot6 has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 21:13:07 <Terkhen> planetmaker: http://pastebin.com/edfi7e7k <--- a file including the cargo translation table and the refit properties of each vehicle type would allow us to compare and fix cargo issues more easily, and the file would be almost identical between both sets 21:13:35 <Terkhen> IIRC the only different part I have is to allow the bulk truck to refit to rubber 21:14:51 <planetmaker> that's a good idea actually. Adding the refit stuff to the CTT file 21:15:01 <planetmaker> via a define or so 21:15:29 <Terkhen> that diff works, so it would not be very complicated to complete it for all cargos / vehicles 21:17:00 <Terkhen> hmm... actually, making another define for the common properties of each generation of trucks would have saved me a lot of time 21:17:21 <planetmaker> :-D 21:17:30 <planetmaker> actually... me, too 21:17:40 <planetmaker> for the rail / maglev / monorail stuff 21:17:50 <Terkhen> time for a bit of code cleanup :) 21:20:03 <Terkhen> what could be a good name for the file with cargo table & refit properties? I'm thinking about cargo_definitions 21:21:25 <planetmaker> might be a good name, yes 21:40:40 <Terkhen> http://devs.openttd.org/~terkhen/patches/index.php?source=ogfx-rv/define_refit_properties.diff <--- the final result looks like this (big diff) 21:43:01 <Terkhen> I defined the less useful refit types too for consistency 21:46:09 <planetmaker> you have interesting piece goods refit properties 21:47:20 <planetmaker> quite lengthy exceptions or additions 21:48:08 <Brot6> OpenGFX+ Trains - Revision 109:0ba5fdbfd11d: Fix (r108): Always add also stuff moved to their own... (planetmaker) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/ogfx-trains/repository/revisions/0ba5fdbfd11d 21:48:18 <Terkhen> hmm... I don't remember changing them, so they are probably a copy of the ones at ogfx-trains 21:48:49 <planetmaker> :-D 21:48:51 <planetmaker> indeed 21:49:22 <Terkhen> most of them are copypaste; both for consistency and lazyness 21:51:06 <planetmaker> :-) I prefer a naming of REFIT_PROPERTIES_BULK than BULK_REFIT_PROPERTIES. But I guess that doesn't matter much 21:51:23 <Terkhen> hmm... I don't mind the change but I already pushed 21:51:28 <Brot6> OpenGFX+ Road Vehicles - Revision 54:7a7cba8f718a: Codechange: Create definitions for refit prope... (Terkhen) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/ogfx-rv/repository/revisions/7a7cba8f718a 21:51:50 <Terkhen> let's do a codechange of a codechange :D 21:58:25 <Brot6> OpenGFX+ Road Vehicles - Revision 55:64450ba4b5c7: Codechange: Rename the refit properties defini... 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(andythenorth) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/1885 22:26:11 <Brot6> British Rail OpenTTD Set - Revision 16:2372821bbc83: Add: code to check for up to five different ... (DJNekkid) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/bros/repository/revisions/2372821bbc83 22:27:01 <Brot6> OpenGFX+ Trains - Revision 112:72426af45b1c: Codechange: Separate the cargo definitions into thei... (planetmaker) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/ogfx-trains/repository/revisions/72426af45b1c 22:27:49 <Terkhen> http://pastebin.com/WySbP9Ub <--- the properties are a bit simpler now 22:31:02 <Terkhen> hmm... I'm doing the same naming mistake again 22:33:16 * avdg wants to collect more information about the possibilities for a webservice with openttd 22:35:09 <Rubidium> talk to spcomb 22:36:04 <planetmaker> he :-) Generally I prefer to put the major category first and the specification last in defines. But looks nice 22:37:26 <Terkhen> I agree, but I tend to write the thing I'm thinking about in the moment first 22:37:32 <Terkhen> I changed them to TRUCK_PROPERTIES_COMMON and so on 22:38:01 <Brot6> British Rail OpenTTD Set - Revision 17:b329873e44ea: Change: Update to the testtrain2 gfx (DJNekkid) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/bros/repository/revisions/b329873e44ea 22:39:46 <avdg> pm: I just want some information before I can continue with the project 22:40:03 <avdg> that maybe explains why it differs 22:40:55 <planetmaker> hm? 22:40:56 <avdg> if you are talking about the specifications at least 22:43:49 <Brot6> OpenGFX+ Trains - Revision 113:f1037fbffd2a: Codechange: Use a distinct name prefix for engine-re... (planetmaker) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/ogfx-trains/repository/revisions/f1037fbffd2a 22:45:10 <planetmaker> I've no idea what you talk about right now, avdg 22:45:18 <avdg> then ignore me :p 22:45:44 <planetmaker> maybe that's caused by you not having asked a question yet :-P 22:45:52 <Brot6> OpenGFX+ Road Vehicles - Revision 57:84b4cc52a262: Codechange: Use definitions for truck properties. (Terkhen) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/ogfx-rv/repository/revisions/84b4cc52a262 22:45:56 <avdg> I just need some information on https://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/webottd/wiki/specifications 22:46:04 <Terkhen> there goes my testing game... 22:46:05 <avdg> thats all :p 22:46:06 <Terkhen> good night 22:46:30 <planetmaker> good night, Terkhen 22:52:50 <planetmaker> Ok, I guess that's too vague and too late for me now, avdg 22:54:53 <Brot6> OpenGFX+ Trains - Revision 114:2b0c8ca75168: Add: Refit capability for the engines which have car... (planetmaker) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/ogfx-trains/repository/revisions/2b0c8ca75168 23:00:15 <planetmaker> good night 23:03:36 <avdg> gn 23:34:27 *** welshdragon has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 23:49:06 <Brot6> British Rail OpenTTD Set - Revision 18:a42a99e1ae7f: Add: Autogenerated purchaselist texts (DJNekkid) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/bros/repository/revisions/a42a99e1ae7f 23:49:38 <DJNekkid> hi Webster 23:49:38 <Webster> hi DJNekkid :) 23:49:44 <DJNekkid> welshdragon i mean 23:49:48 <DJNekkid> tab 4tw 23:55:28 <welshdragon> lol 23:55:30 <welshdragon> hello 23:58:53 <DJNekkid> im about to upload a test-grf for you guys :)