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Log for #openttdcoop.devzone on 6th December 2010:
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00:09:46  <Rubidium> Ammler: that's depcheck
00:11:49  <Rubidium> also... $(shell) make_changelog.sh means you want it to be sh compatible, but it isn't a sh compatible (it fails for me)
00:21:33  <Ammler> yeah, I told them 1000 times, they should require bash
00:21:55  <Ammler> but well
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12:03:17  <Brot6> Berries - Revision 12:60a54835232b: Change: PluginManager has moved to its own package (dih) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/berries/repository/revisions/60a54835232b
12:08:53  <Brot6> Grapes - Code Review #1995 (New): IRC related extentions to be defined by Plugin (dih) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/1995
12:12:41  <Brot6> Grapes - Code Review #1996 (New): Command Annotation to be split into 2 separate definitions (dih) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/1996
12:14:38  <Brot6> Grapes - Feature Request #1770 (Assigned): Command ExtentionPoint (dih) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/1770#change-4988
12:22:21  <Brot6> Berries - Feature Request #1778: Password should be alternatively available per http (dih) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/1778#change-4989
12:25:48  <Brot6> Java OpenTTD Admin Library - Feature Request #1997 (New): Handle Economy Data (dih) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/1997
12:30:28  <Brot6> Grapes - Code Review #1998 (New): Command Access extendable by plugins (dih) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/1998
12:33:57  <Brot6> Grapes - Feature Request #1999 (New): Separate Command Handling (dih) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/1999
12:34:50  <dih> planetmaker, Ammler : can i move an issue to become a subtask of another issue?
12:35:33  <dih> found it :-
12:35:34  <dih> :-)
12:35:56  <Ammler> subtask is quite young feature, i have no idea about :-)
12:36:22  <dih> i have ^^
12:36:29  <dih> you can define a parent task in a new task
12:36:30  <Ammler> well, then we know, who to ask :-P
12:36:37  <dih> or when you update a task you can specify a parent task too
12:36:42  <dih> hehe
12:37:24  <Ammler> btw. I guess, we have again working ap+, I updaed every $linestart and it seems to work now.
12:37:34  <Ammler> so you don't need to hurry with joan anymore
12:37:50  <Ammler> new year is fine for first release :-P
12:39:21  <dih> jeah - i see that there still seems to be a lot of work to do
12:39:37  <dih> the grapes framework still needs some stuff before i can start properly digging into the plugins
12:40:04  <dih> esp. the command handling
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13:05:28  <dih> hmm... actually wanted to chat with ODM :-P
13:05:49  <Ammler> he might have smelled it
13:06:14  <dih> well, i am not upset or anything ...
13:06:24  <Ammler> :-D
13:06:44  <dih> some things just need to be programmed in other places :-P
13:06:51  <dih> that's basically all ^^
13:06:58  <dih> hope he's not scared to bits :-P
13:07:36  <Ammler> he wasn't that active in your absence anyway
13:07:40  <Ammler> just the first week
13:13:34  <Ammler> dih: I have a ugly patch in stable http://paste.pocoo.org/show/301305/ to show when to start with !-commands
13:13:54  <Ammler> because when you start too early, you break the console
13:14:05  <Ammler> might it be possible to make that a bit cleaner?
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13:50:25  <dih> i think that'll just be fine if it's a left over old piece ^^
13:50:39  <dih> i mean, you can of course add it if you like
13:50:53  <dih> but i do not think it's crucial, nor do i think i really want to support ap :-P
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14:05:45  <dih> well, the parent project stuff has a minor bug ^^
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14:10:18  <fanioz> hello all
14:10:52  <planetmaker> moin
14:11:48  <dih> which version of redmine is actually running?
14:19:12  <Yexo> the nml prolbem with the railtype table with 3RDR is quite nasty
14:19:27  <Yexo> I think the only way to fix it is to make the rail type labels strings instead of identifiers
14:20:03  <Yexo> but that means they can't be used in the rest of the code directly, they'll have to get special syntax
14:20:40  <Yexo> like: railtype("3RDR") instead of 3RDR
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14:32:47  <Brot6> NewGRF Meta Language - Revision 1073:db78536e1c5a: Add: commandline option to change the default ... (yexo) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/nml/repository/revisions/db78536e1c5a
14:32:47  <Brot6> NewGRF Meta Language - Revision 1074:d566b51ebe80: Doc: update documentation of the language file... (yexo) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/nml/repository/revisions/d566b51ebe80
14:35:38  <planetmaker> Yexo, I fear(ed) that.
14:36:18  <Yexo> that means we might need to do the same for cargo :(
14:36:52  <planetmaker> bah. I prefer not to.
14:37:52  <planetmaker> But you're right. Both things are the same and should be treated the same
14:37:54  <Yexo> me neither, but there are a lot of valid cargo labels that are not supported by nml
14:38:32  <planetmaker> couldn't it just be a fixed-length string, so without the railtype(...)
14:38:36  <planetmaker> just "LABL"
14:38:37  <planetmaker> ?
14:38:52  <Yexo> for the table, yes
14:39:18  <planetmaker> but?
14:39:21  <Yexo> to reference it, no, because when you write "3RDR" nml doesn't know whether you want the id of the railtype 3RDR or the id of the cargo 3RDR
14:39:55  <planetmaker> where is that distinction needed where the labels are used?
14:40:08  <Yexo> everywhere
14:40:11  <planetmaker> In a CB it's clear. As in property definitions
14:40:24  <Yexo> not when you set a parameter
14:40:31  <Yexo> param[3] = "3RDR";
14:40:42  <Yexo> property { cargo_type: param[3]; }
14:40:44  <planetmaker> bah
14:41:24  <Yexo> you could add #define COAL railtype("COAL") and use that
14:41:30  <planetmaker> 3r* should be forbidden :-(
14:42:09  <Yexo> OIL_ is with an underscore, but openttd would care if it would be "OIL ", the latter is not supported by nml though
14:42:58  <planetmaker> yeah
14:43:00  <Yexo> another option is to ignore an underscore at the start of an identifier name (or ignore double underscore), so you could use _3RDR instead of 3RDR (or __3RDR)
14:43:11  <Yexo> but that only solves the "starts with a numeric" case
14:43:33  <planetmaker> hm
14:43:50  <planetmaker> maybe: LABL or __LAB __
14:43:53  <Rubidium> planetmaker: actually, ABCDEF12 is a valid railtype
14:44:03  <planetmaker> so that anything between __ is considered the label?
14:44:09  <Ammler> [15:11] <dih> which version of redmine is actually running? <-- svn trunk with hg mq
14:44:12  <planetmaker> hm.. but I guess that doesn't work
14:44:20  <planetmaker> as it's considered two identifier?
14:44:23  <Yexo> Rubidium: that is a hex number?
14:44:30  <Rubidium> Yexo: yes, it's hex
14:44:41  <planetmaker> Rubidium, but it wouldn't be a problem, except length
14:45:04  <Yexo> planetmaker: that id cannot be written using the __ID__ syntax
14:45:21  <Ammler> dih: what is the bug?
14:45:24  <Rubidium> IMO you should handle it like the GRFID is handled
14:45:29  <Yexo> it's no problem if we go for railtype("ID"), it would become railtype("\AB\CD\EF")
14:45:50  <Yexo> so as a string which has to be length 4
14:46:32  <planetmaker> hm. Can NML itself provide already the shorthands of #define COAL cargolabel("COAL")?
14:46:53  <Yexo> it could
14:46:53  <dih> Ammler, issues are not displayed correctly, e.g. when the parent and child issue are too far appart (issue number wise)
14:47:25  <Yexo> hmm, and 3RDR as shorthand doesn't cause any problems because there is no way to write that in the nml code
14:47:49  <Yexo> planetmaker: but what when there are duplicate shorthands?
14:49:39  <planetmaker> Yexo, there aren't. Or do you know railtypes and cargo labels which are alike
14:49:50  <planetmaker> It doesn't mean that people cannot invent it. But they con't yet exist
14:49:59  <planetmaker> *don't even
14:50:10  <Yexo> indeed, not yet
15:11:45  <Ammler> mäh, I broke redmine :-(
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15:15:33  <Rubidium> congratulations :)
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15:31:14  <dih> what is projects-kde-org?
15:35:52  <Ammler> just a clone of that repo, hmm shouldn't be in public
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16:00:03  <Brot6> mode change on /home/hg/hgsubversion
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17:08:33  <Brot6> nml: update from r1072 to r1074 done - http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/nml/nightlies/r1074
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17:17:15  <Brot6> Following repos didn't need a nightlies update: 2cctrainset (r686), 32bpp-extra (r39), ai-admiralai (r75), airportsplus (r70), basecosts (r22), belarusiantowns (r8), bros (r40), comic-houses (r71), firs (r1578), fish (r423), frenchtowns (r6), grfcodec (r811), heqs (r551), indonesiantowns (r39), manindu (r6), metrotrackset (r56), newgrf_makefile (r237), nml (r1074), nutracks (r120), ogfx-rv (r78), ogfx-trains (r199), ogfx-trees (r41),
17:17:15  <Brot6> opengfx (r568), openmsx (r97), opensfx (r97), smts (r19), snowlinemod (r45), swedishrails (r189), swisstowns (r22), transrapidtrackset (r15), ttdviewer (r26), ttrs (r23), worldairlinersset (r669)
17:20:19  <Brot6> Following repos rebuilds successful without any difference to earlier nightlies builds: airportsplus, belarusiantowns, frenchtowns, indonesiantowns (1 errors), manindu, ogfx-rv (1 errors), ogfx-trains, swedishrails, swisstowns
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18:11:28  <Brot6> 2cc train set - Feature #2001 (New): HXN5 (Voyager1) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/2001
18:31:28  <Brot6> OpenGFX - Code Review #2002 (New): New station building? (planetmaker) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/2002
18:31:57  <Brot6> OpenGFX - Code Review #2003 (New): New Toyland helicopter (planetmaker) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/2003
18:31:57  <Brot6> OpenGFX - Code Review #2004 (New): Toyland ships (planetmaker) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/2004
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19:02:45  <Brot6> 32bpp-ez-patches: update from r21402 to r21421 done (2 errors) - http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/32bpp-ez-patches/testing/r21421
19:03:19  <planetmaker> he hasn't been around much lately... :-(
19:03:51  <Rubidium> 32bpp seems quite idle at this moment anyways
19:04:37  <planetmaker> yeah
19:05:12  <Brot6> clientpatches: update from r21402 to r21421 done - http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/clientpatches/testing/r21421
19:05:45  <Brot6> serverpatches: compile of r21421 still failed (#1965) - http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/serverpatches/testing/ERROR/r21421
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20:16:03  <Brot6> 2cc train set - Feature #2005 (New): Korail 8200 (Voyager1) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/2005
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20:47:23  <Brot6> Grapes - Revision 36:f2f2ff72fbf8: Add: Exception Class for Plugins (dih) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/grapes/repository/revisions/f2f2ff72fbf8
20:47:23  <Brot6> Grapes - Revision 37:ac22394c87ae: Add: a PluginDescriptor which caches extentions / methods and ... (dih) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/grapes/repository/revisions/ac22394c87ae
20:47:23  <Brot6> Grapes - Revision 38:a1a2547584ca: Add: PluginCache which handles access to methods and plugin in... (dih) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/grapes/repository/revisions/a1a2547584ca
20:47:24  <Brot6> Grapes - Revision 39:5d9b2e6bc35b: Change: methods to check if ExtentionPoints or Command Definit... (dih) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/grapes/repository/revisions/5d9b2e6bc35b
20:47:28  <Brot6> Grapes - Revision 40:dab13d922c29: Change: use a PluginCache, PluginDescriptor (dih) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/grapes/repository/revisions/dab13d922c29
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