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00:18:36  <Brot6> OpenGFX - Bug #2153: tubular brigde (athanasios) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/2153#change-5340
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04:47:45  <Brot6> 2cc train set - Feature #2152: MTR ER20 (Hong Kong) (EmperorJake) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/2152#change-5341
04:50:15  <Brot6> 2cc train set - Feature #2157 (New): China Railways HXD3 (EmperorJake) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/2157
05:33:10  <Brot6> Bundles Update: g25a2af5a 2011-01-12 cargodist   (http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/cargodist)
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09:17:18  <Brot6> FISH - Feature #2158 (New): Deck house doors should be consistently 2CC (andythenorth) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/2158
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10:44:25  <Brot6> FISH - Revision 515:afaee6267b42: Change: work in progress on Large Trader improvements (andythenorth) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/fish/repository/revisions/afaee6267b42
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13:27:58  <Brot6> Total Town Replacement Set - Feature #1323: have banks as houses (planetmaker) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/1323#change-5342
13:36:43  <Brot6> Total Town Replacement Set - Feature #1323: have banks as houses (planetmaker) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/1323#change-5344
13:44:38  <Brot6> FISH - Revision 516:7c0c3382eaae: Feature: additional cranes for Large Coaster (andythenorth) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/fish/repository/revisions/7c0c3382eaae
13:49:16  <Ammler> why not using Spinx for NML docs?
13:51:14  <planetmaker> weil niemand in den Urwald zog und die Banane grade bog.
13:52:16  <Ammler> it just seems so obvious, if you look at some python apps :-)
13:52:48  <planetmaker> got an URL?
13:53:16  <Ammler> http://sphinx.pocoo.org/
13:53:17  <Webster> Title: Overview Sphinx v1.0.6 documentation (at sphinx.pocoo.org)
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13:53:54  <Ammler> actually it is hard to find a "bigger" python app not documented with spinx :-)
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14:22:33  <Brot6> FISH - Feature #2158 (New): Deck house doors should be consistently brown / 2CC (andythenorth) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/2158
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15:31:05  <Brot6> Total Town Replacement Set - Feature #1323: have banks as houses (George) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/1323#change-5346
15:35:53  <Brot6> Total Town Replacement Set - Feature #1323: have banks as houses (planetmaker) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/1323#change-5347
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15:43:19  <Brot6> roadtypes - Feature #2143 (New): Move roadworks bits to m4 (andythenorth) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/2143
15:43:19  <Brot6> roadtypes - Feature #2143: Move roadworks bits to m4 (Hirundo) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/2143#change-5324
15:43:19  <Brot6> roadtypes - Feature #2143: Move roadworks bits to m4 (andythenorth) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/2143#change-5325
15:44:33  <Brot6> FISH - Revision 517:635d5cef5cc1: Feature: improved appearance of Large Trader (andythenorth) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/fish/repository/revisions/635d5cef5cc1
15:44:33  <Brot6> FISH - Revision 518:b767b43aacf3: Fix: some pixels that shouldn't have been there in one angle of... (andythenorth) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/fish/repository/revisions/b767b43aacf3
15:44:33  <Brot6> Total Town Replacement Set - Feature #1323: have banks as houses (planetmaker) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/1323#change-5347
15:45:18  <andythenorth> hmm
15:45:19  <Brot6> roadtypes - Revision 16997:a33e0abe08ce: Change: move roadworks counter bits from m7 to m4 (not s... (andythenorth) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/roadtypes/repository/revisions/a33e0abe08ce
15:45:19  <Brot6> roadtypes - Feature #2159 (New): Make move of roadworks bits savegame safe (andythenorth) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/2159
15:45:36  <andythenorth> why can't I change status on this ticket?  #2143
15:45:36  <Brot6> andythenorth: #2143 is http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/show/2143 "roadtypes - Feature #2143: Move roadworks bits to m4 - #openttdcoop Development Zone"
15:46:16  <Ammler> andythenorth: you were not memeber
15:48:16  <andythenorth> thanks
15:48:55  <Brot6> roadtypes - Feature #2143 (Closed): Move roadworks bits to m4 (andythenorth) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/2143
15:48:55  <Brot6> roadtypes - Feature #2143 (Closed): Move roadworks bits to m4 (andythenorth) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/2143#change-5350
15:53:49  <Brot6> FISH - Feature #2160 (New): Add cost parameters - same as HEQS (andythenorth) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/2160
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17:08:14  <Brot6> nml: update from r1124 to r1128 done - http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/nml/nightlies/r1128
17:18:05  <Brot6> fish: update from r514 to r518 done (1 errors) - http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/fish/nightlies/r518
17:18:17  <Brot6> Following repos didn't need a nightlies update: 2cctrainset (r718), 32bpp-extra (r39), ai-admiralai (r75), ai-aroai (r10), ailib-common (r21), ailib-direction (r17), ailib-list (r32), ailib-string (r29), ailib-tile (r16), airportsplus (r70), basecosts (r22), belarusiantowns (r8), bros (r45), comic-houses (r71), firs (r1627), frenchtowns (r6), grfcodec (r818), heqs (r567), indonesiantowns (r41), manindu (r6), metrotrackset (r56), narvs
17:18:17  <Brot6> (r5), newgrf_makefile (r254), nml (r1128), nutracks (r138), ogfx-industries (r3), ogfx-landscape (r19), ogfx-rv (r78), ogfx-trains (r201), ogfx-trees (r42), opengfx (r593), openmsx (r97), opensfx (r97), smts (r19), snowlinemod (r45), spanishtowns (r10), swedishrails (r193), swisstowns (r22), transrapidtrackset (r15), ttdviewer (r26), ttrs (r24), worldairlinersset (r671)
17:22:05  <Brot6> Following repos rebuilds successful without any difference to earlier nightlies builds: airportsplus (Diffsize: 1), belarusiantowns, frenchtowns, indonesiantowns (1 errors), manindu (Diffsize: 1), narvs, newgrf_makefile, ogfx-industries, ogfx-landscape, ogfx-rv (1 errors) (Diffsize: 2), ogfx-trains (Diffsize: 1), spanishtowns, swedishrails (Diffsize: 6), swisstowns
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18:37:09  <DanMacK> Hey all
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18:42:57  <DanMacK> Hey Andy
18:43:08  <planetmaker> moin DanMacK
18:44:18  <Brot6> FISH - Revision 519:6205c4a47a41: Change: minor change to Coaster Large psd (andythenorth) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/fish/repository/revisions/6205c4a47a41
18:44:18  <Brot6> FISH - Revision 520:70d4a1bf06bd: Change: offsets updated for Trader Large (uses Trader Medium nf... (andythenorth) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/fish/repository/revisions/70d4a1bf06bd
18:45:08  <andythenorth> DanMacK: hi
19:00:53  <Brot6> 32bpp-ez-patches: compile of r21770 still failed (#2069) - http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/32bpp-ez-patches/testing/ERROR/r21770
19:03:42  <Brot6> clientpatches: update from r21488 to r21488 done - http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/clientpatches/testing/r21488
19:04:49  <Brot6> serverpatches: compile of r21770 still failed (#2080) - http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/serverpatches/testing/ERROR/r21770
19:07:46  <Brot6> 2cc train set - Feature #2161 (New): ALCO S-2 (Voyager1) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/2161
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20:04:31  <Brot6> 2cc train set - Feature #2162 (New): SJ V4 (Voyager1) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/2162
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20:20:58  <dukeman> hi
20:21:10  <dukeman> I have a question about grfid
20:21:31  <dukeman> if I make second version of my newgrf should I have different grfid's?
20:21:36  <planetmaker> no
20:21:47  <planetmaker> do you know action14?
20:21:53  <dukeman> no
20:21:58  <planetmaker> you should change the version, but not the grfID
20:22:14  <planetmaker> readup on action14. It has many nice features which you want to use :-)
20:22:23  <planetmaker> among them is the version for your newgrfs.
20:22:29  <planetmaker> the used palette
20:22:38  <planetmaker> parameter descriptions
20:22:47  <planetmaker> translations of all that
20:23:32  <planetmaker> just remember to change the version at least with every change you publish
20:24:14  <Hirundo> planetmaker: how/why should NML users know about action14? :)
20:24:30  <planetmaker> oh. wait. dukeman you use NML? :-P
20:24:37  <planetmaker> sorry
20:24:39  <planetmaker> trallala
20:24:42  <dukeman> yes
20:24:55  <planetmaker> then you don't worry about that. you just change the version by one and you're set
20:24:56  <dukeman> i though its a simplie couple of bytes
20:25:10  <planetmaker> possibly change the minimum compatible version, if they cease to be compatible
20:25:27  <planetmaker> both is part of the grf block anyway
20:26:14  <dukeman> so grfid is permanent for me?
20:26:25  <dukeman> even if newgrf version has changed?
20:26:58  <dukeman> lets say I made a newgrf town names
20:27:42  <dukeman> and I have grfid 44\ 4d\ 54\ 4e
20:27:58  <dukeman> if I make another version the grfid is the same?
20:33:34  <dukeman> I only change a version and min_compatible_version
20:33:43  <dukeman> is that right?
20:34:03  <planetmaker> [21:26]	<dukeman>	so grfid is permanent for me? <-- for one newgrf, yes
20:34:41  <dukeman> but if I make a new version is the second newgrf isnt it?
20:34:45  <planetmaker> if you just extend the newgrf: keep the ID and change the version. If needed also the min_compatible version. The latter only, if it gets uncompatible to the previous version(s) of the newgrf
20:35:13  <dukeman> ok understand
20:35:39  <dukeman> should I use only 3 bytes or can I use more?
20:36:37  <planetmaker> hm? for what? the grfID has to be exactly 4. Not less not more
20:37:42  <dukeman> grfid : "AB";
20:37:52  <dukeman> ok, how many bytes is in here?
20:37:56  <planetmaker> that's 4 bytes, yes.
20:38:01  <planetmaker> ABCD
20:38:09  <planetmaker>  is one and  is another
21:00:15  <dukeman> hmm..
21:00:29  <dukeman> maybe its obvious for you
21:00:42  <dukeman> but I really dont understand that byte thing ;)
21:00:55  <dukeman> how 02 is B
21:01:00  <dukeman> i mean C
21:01:04  <dukeman> and 03 is D
21:01:06  <dukeman> ?
21:01:39  <dukeman> how to decode that?
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21:03:57  <planetmaker> dukeman: the string is 4 bytes
21:04:03  <planetmaker> The first two are A and B
21:04:26  <dukeman> yes
21:04:27  <planetmaker> the third is a literal 3 if you interpreted it as a number. Thus 
21:06:10  <dukeman> ok lets say my grfid would be DMTN
21:06:21  <dukeman> so in first two bytes is DM
21:06:24  <dukeman> and then?
21:07:04  <dukeman> grfid : "DM\..\..\";
21:07:58  <frosch123> if it is DMTN, just do grfid: "DMTN"
21:08:06  <frosch123> the \.. stuff is only needed for non-letters
21:08:25  <Brot6> Total Town Replacement Set - Feature #1323: have banks as houses (George) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/1323#change-5351
21:09:13  <dukeman> ok so if  I would like to have DM12
21:09:25  <dukeman> it would be dm\ ?
21:10:51  <frosch123> depends :) you can also use the characters 0123456789, but with \.. you can encode a number between 0 and 255
21:11:33  <frosch123> so "DM12" is two letters and two digits, "DM" is two letters and two numbers
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21:28:32  <andythenorth> Ammler: planetmaker I can't seem to create a new project for rv-wagons
21:28:42  <andythenorth> I think I'm not a member of the OTTD branches project
21:44:50  <Brot6> Berries - Revision 15:d0053d138aef: Fix: method renamed to sendAdminRcon() (dih) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/berries/repository/revisions/d0053d138aef
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22:31:50  <dukeman> If the name of the tame have a special letter how should I write it in nml file
22:32:08  <dukeman> because if I use it now I have an error while parsing
22:32:35  <dukeman> *name of the twon not tame ;)
22:35:28  <frosch123> what special letter?
22:35:59  <frosch123> make sure to save the file with utf-8 encoding
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22:43:36  <dukeman> for example ń
22:46:33  <dukeman> if I converted it to utf 8 the following output appears while parsing:
22:46:34  <dukeman> nmlc: "lang\english.lng", line 1: Line has no ':' delimeter
22:46:57  <frosch123> oh, you mean for the identifier in front of the ":" ?
22:47:03  <frosch123> i guess that one must be ascii
22:47:24  <frosch123> for the actual text after the ":" your ń works fine for me
22:47:45  <dukeman> its two separate things now
22:48:05  <dukeman> I removed every special signs and compile it fine
22:48:26  <dukeman> in ANSI but after you told me that I need to save file with utf
22:48:33  <dukeman> i had the error
22:48:40  <dukeman> its not ń related
22:49:01  <frosch123> make sure to pick utf-8
22:49:09  <frosch123> utf-16 or similar won't work
22:49:12  <Hirundo> dukeman: what is line 1 of your file?
22:49:36  <dukeman> ##grflangid 00
22:50:35  <Brot6> NewGRF Meta Language - Revision 1129:2634a8f8057a: Fix: Spelling error in error message. (Hirundo) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/nml/repository/revisions/2634a8f8057a
22:50:41  <Hirundo> What editor you you use?
22:50:52  <dukeman> notepad ++
22:51:09  <Hirundo> I guess, it puts a 'UTF8 BOM' at the start of the file
22:51:52  <dukeman> ok i ll try without bom
22:54:27  <dukeman> works fine
22:54:34  <dukeman> with special letters too
22:54:38  <dukeman> thanks
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23:12:31  <Brot6> NewGRF Meta Language - Revision 1130:78113252a163: Fix: Correctly handle a BOM appearing at the s... (Hirundo) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/nml/repository/revisions/78113252a163
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