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01:17:48 *** KenjiE20 has quit IRC 02:14:05 <Brot6> 2cc train set - Feature #2212: ET171 (EmperorJake) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/2212#change-5508 02:25:50 *** Lakie has quit IRC 03:11:42 *** thgergo has quit IRC 04:02:14 <Brot6> 2cc train set - Feature #2214 (New): ETR 300 "Settebello" (EmperorJake) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/2214 05:33:18 <Brot6> Bundles Update: g341b55c1 2011-01-29 cargodist (http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/cargodist) 06:51:11 *** andythenorth has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 07:10:29 *** andythenorth has quit IRC 07:14:17 <Brot6> 2cc train set - Bug #2209: Non-2cc colored pixels in sprites (evil yellow and other colors) (EmperorJake) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/2209#change-5509 07:17:45 *** andythenorth has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 07:23:07 *** andythenorth has quit IRC 07:40:40 *** andythenorth has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 07:45:24 *** andythenorth has quit IRC 07:53:43 *** andythenorth has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 07:54:32 <Brot6> 2cc train set - Bug #2209: Non-2cc colored pixels in sprites (evil yellow and other colors) (Purno) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/2209#change-5510 08:05:56 <Brot6> FISH - Revision 542:958c16877c86: Feature: set vehicle window texts for Ferries, Coasters, Trader... (andythenorth) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/fish/repository/revisions/958c16877c86 08:35:14 *** ODM has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 09:27:01 <Brot6> 2cc train set - Bug #2215 (New): CR Class 439: Animated pixels in / view (Purno) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/2215 09:32:23 <Brot6> FISH - Revision 543:b5360fac69a2: Feature: set vehicle window texts for Hovercraft, Log Raft, Isl... (andythenorth) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/fish/repository/revisions/b5360fac69a2 09:42:01 <Brot6> FISH - Revision 544:c04e63566c54: Feature: vehicle window texts for Utility Vessel (andythenorth) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/fish/repository/revisions/c04e63566c54 09:47:29 <Brot6> 2cc train set - Feature #2212: ET171 (Voyager1) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/2212#change-5511 09:48:00 <Brot6> 2cc train set - Feature #2212: ET171 (Voyager1) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/2212#change-5511 09:52:57 <Brot6> 2cc train set - Feature #2212: ET171 (EmperorJake) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/2212#change-5513 09:53:25 <Brot6> FISH - Revision 545:91c1857c4bbe: Feature: set names for Vehicle Ferries (andythenorth) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/fish/repository/revisions/91c1857c4bbe 09:53:25 <Brot6> FISH - Revision 546:a03f4c6bb3e3: Change: convert buy menu offset to a define for ease of changin... (andythenorth) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/fish/repository/revisions/a03f4c6bb3e3 09:56:22 <Brot6> FISH - Revision 547:d417aa5b027f: Feature: set name for Utility Vessel (andythenorth) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/fish/repository/revisions/d417aa5b027f 10:06:37 <Brot6> 2cc train set - Feature #2212: ET171 (Purno) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/2212#change-5514 10:32:19 <Brot6> 2cc train set - Bug #2216 (New): Naming of engines (EmperorJake) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/2216 10:35:16 *** frosch123 has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 10:35:27 <Brot6> 2cc train set - Feature #2125: Shinkansen Series 700 redrawn (EmperorJake) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/2125#change-5515 10:36:57 <Brot6> 2cc train set - Bug #2215: CR Class 439: Animated pixels in / view (EmperorJake) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/2215#change-5516 10:38:20 <dihedral> good morning :-) 11:13:25 *** andythenorth has quit IRC 11:19:45 *** andythenorth has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 11:49:15 *** KenjiE20 has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 11:51:13 <Brot6> 2cc train set - Bug #2215: CR Class 439: Animated pixels in / view (Voyager1) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/2215#change-5517 11:54:36 <Brot6> 2cc train set - Bug #2215: CR Class 439: Animated pixels in / view (Voyager1) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/2215#change-5518 11:56:15 <Brot6> 2cc train set - Feature #2125: Shinkansen Series 700 redrawn (Voyager1) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/2125#change-5519 12:01:39 <Brot6> 2cc train set - Bug #2216: Naming of engines (Voyager1) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/2216#change-5520 12:29:12 <Brot6> 2cc train set - Bug #2216: Naming of engines (EmperorJake) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/2216#change-5521 12:48:15 *** thgergo has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 12:56:13 <Brot6> 2cc train set - Bug #2216: Naming of engines (DJNekkid) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/2216#change-5522 13:00:04 <Brot6> 2cc train set - Bug #2216: Naming of engines (Voyager1) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/2216#change-5523 13:01:23 <Brot6> 2cc train set - Feature #2217 (New): C8 (Voyager1) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/2217 13:07:19 <Brot6> 2cc train set - Feature #2218 (New): When should we release 2.0? (DJNekkid) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/2218 13:15:05 <Brot6> 2cc train set - Revision 728:51ca97022817: Change: Started to update the train names. Part of #2216 (DJNekkid) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/2cctrainset/repository/revisions/51ca97022817 13:23:30 <DJNekkid> thats nice, chrome even on linux now :D 13:24:10 <Ammler> chrome survived around 10 mins on my pc 13:25:13 <Ammler> I see no advantage to Firefox 13:25:29 <Ammler> just the lack of good plugins 13:26:21 <DJNekkid> atleast on windows i find it 'less noisy' 13:26:45 <Ammler> then you used too many plugins with firefox :-) 13:27:51 <DJNekkid> just about none 13:28:30 <Brot6> 2cc train set - Support #2211: Feedback from the community / playerbase (DJNekkid) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/2211#change-5524 13:30:26 <Brot6> 2cc train set - Bug #2205: EP2 bipolar (DJNekkid) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/2205#change-5525 13:30:26 <Brot6> 2cc train set - Feature #2218: When should we release 2.0? (planetmaker) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/2218#change-5526 13:31:27 <Brot6> 2cc train set - Feature #2218: When should we release 2.0? (planetmaker) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/2218#change-5526 13:31:27 <Brot6> FISH - Revision 548:e4f57c1ec329: Feature: info strings and names for Hydrofoil, Tow Boat, Paddle... (andythenorth) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/fish/repository/revisions/e4f57c1ec329 13:32:39 <Brot6> FISH - Revision 549:454ffe81b429: Change: hide unfinished ships (andythenorth) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/fish/repository/revisions/454ffe81b429 13:39:42 <Brot6> 2cc train set - Feature #2214 (Feedback): ETR 300 "Settebello" (DJNekkid) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/2214#change-5527 13:49:18 <Brot6> 2cc train set - Feature #2207: Regio Shuttle (DJNekkid) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/2207#change-5528 13:49:18 <Brot6> 2cc train set - Feature #2207 (Feedback): Regio Shuttle (DJNekkid) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/2207#change-5529 13:50:52 <Brot6> 2cc train set - Feature #2214: ETR 300 "Settebello" (EmperorJake) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/2214#change-5530 13:55:02 <planetmaker> btw, andythenorth: the "correct" and backward compatible way to hide a vehicle is to set climate availability to 0 instead of removing it from the grf 13:55:10 <planetmaker> you now broke savegame compatibility in FISH 13:55:21 <andythenorth> true 13:55:47 <andythenorth> nightly build :P 13:55:51 <andythenorth> use at own risk :P 13:56:09 <planetmaker> well. Did you change the min_compatible_version? :-) 13:56:14 <planetmaker> answer: no :-P 13:56:47 <andythenorth> you want me to do it right? :P 13:56:47 <planetmaker> but such change should always include it ;-) 13:56:54 <planetmaker> of course :-P 13:57:00 <andythenorth> foo 13:57:05 <planetmaker> but I'd just add them again with no climate ;-) 13:57:07 <planetmaker> less hassle 13:57:28 <andythenorth> it's a coding habit I've got into - enable / disable the includes 13:57:33 <andythenorth> might be wrong but... 13:57:37 <planetmaker> (not that I do have a savegame which uses them currently) 13:58:09 <planetmaker> just telling. But removing vehicles w/o marking the grf as incompatible IS wrong. And causes crashes in case of doubt; as such it's very bad practise 13:58:40 <andythenorth> you want me to fix it now? 13:58:47 <andythenorth> I don't need to win the argument :D 13:59:14 <planetmaker> your choice ;-) Just mind that changing the min_compatible_version will probably let you NOT update your current test games 13:59:29 <planetmaker> As such: add them again but hide their climate might be better. 14:00:32 <planetmaker> Hm... nice idea for debug parameter: "hide unused / unfinished vehicles" 14:00:40 <planetmaker> or rather show 14:01:06 <planetmaker> makes it easy to add (half finished) vehicles, but not bring them into the game unless for those who want to test it 14:01:20 <planetmaker> I shall remember that for my newgrfs ;-) 14:01:28 <Brot6> FISH - Revision 550:fcf2ce29c3df: Change: re-include unfinished vehicles, but climate masked out (andythenorth) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/fish/repository/revisions/fcf2ce29c3df 14:01:32 <andythenorth> ^ 14:01:36 <planetmaker> :-) 14:01:38 * planetmaker is happy 14:01:39 <andythenorth> now Ammler will tell me I broke the build :P 14:01:44 <planetmaker> why? 14:01:59 <dihedral> Rubidium, the admin network can send server messages, these are shown to the client with the star prefix e.g. *** blah 14:02:47 * planetmaker tries to build fish 14:03:01 <dihedral> as these messages are not easily held apart from normal server messages (*** blah joined the game) would it make sense to turn those messages into a single star prefix? 14:03:02 * planetmaker got many white pixels, but it built fine 14:03:06 <andythenorth> planetmaker: they're unfinished, so they contain errors :P 14:03:26 <planetmaker> of course :-) 14:10:47 <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 1632:197099ab30db: Change: slightly reduce Coal Mine ini... (andythenorth) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/firs/repository/revisions/197099ab30db 14:12:49 <Rubidium> dihedral: server messages are server message, ain't they? 14:13:02 <Rubidium> so if they don't want to send server messages they should just "normally" chat 14:18:18 <Brot6> 2cc train set - Feature #2218: When should we release 2.0? (Purno) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/2218#change-5531 14:18:56 <dihedral> how about another method of chat that admin connections can chose to use? 14:19:09 <dihedral> else it does not matter :-P 14:20:44 <Brot6> 2cc train set - Bug #2205: EP2 bipolar (Purno) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/2205#change-5532 14:23:07 <Brot6> 2cc train set - Feature #2207: Regio Shuttle (Purno) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/2207#change-5533 14:31:57 *** noteda has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 14:36:20 <Brot6> 2cc train set - Feature #2207: Regio Shuttle (EmperorJake) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/2207#change-5534 14:45:00 <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 1633:5a34dee86aec: Feature: rebalanced default cargo pay... (andythenorth) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/firs/repository/revisions/5a34dee86aec 14:47:23 <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Code Review #1981: Starting profit? (andythenorth) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/1981#change-5535 14:47:50 <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Code Review #1981: Starting profit? (andythenorth) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/1981#change-5535 14:50:38 <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 1634:0fd8998d3b6f: Feature: adjusted price balance of wo... (andythenorth) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/firs/repository/revisions/0fd8998d3b6f 14:50:38 <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Code Review #1981 (Feedback): Starting profit? (andythenorth) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/1981#change-5536 14:51:21 <V453000> well, release the FIRS so we can test it :P 14:53:11 <andythenorth> nightly? 14:53:18 <andythenorth> I could go for a release 14:53:25 <andythenorth> let me see what else needs done... 14:53:47 <V453000> just something to bananas :) otherwise we cannot use it on our stable ... or well, we could :) just provide "something" "somewhere" :) 14:54:01 <andythenorth> might as well go for 0.6 soon 14:54:09 <andythenorth> won't be save game safe 14:54:29 <V453000> we will no need that now I suppose :) 14:58:12 <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Feature #1356 (Closed): Fishing Grounds production may need thought (andythenorth) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/1356#change-5539 15:00:49 <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 1635:584935b9632c: Fix: Goods had non-standard classes d... (andythenorth) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/firs/repository/revisions/584935b9632c 15:00:49 <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Bug #1659 (Closed): FIRS redefines cargo classes of goods. (andythenorth) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/1659#change-5541 15:03:37 <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 1636:ad6df55bcf6d: Change: update classes of Wool to mat... (andythenorth) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/firs/repository/revisions/ad6df55bcf6d 15:03:37 <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Feature #1882 (Closed): Change to classes for WOOL (andythenorth) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/1882#change-5542 15:03:44 <andythenorth> planetmaker: could we look at http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/2050 15:03:45 <andythenorth> ? 15:05:30 <planetmaker> hm, yes 15:06:05 <planetmaker> I avoided like cholera to download those luke* grfs so far. I guess I need to do that for testing purposes 15:06:33 <planetmaker> he also seems to not know about updating newgrfs on the same accout, so they show multiple times, every version has its ugly own entry :-( 15:08:14 <planetmaker> I just wrote NML r1139 - so it fits well to what I was doing ;-) 15:08:27 <Brot6> NewGRF Meta Language - Revision 1139:8e51b3a27a86: Doc: Short section on NewGRF compatibility and... (planetmaker) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/nml/repository/revisions/8e51b3a27a86 15:10:32 <planetmaker> DJNekkid: why did you add NuTracks under a new account / entry to Bananas? It shows in my bananas list twice now. Once r112 and now the beta5... :-( 15:10:38 <planetmaker> shame shame... 15:18:51 <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Bug #2219 (New): Fertilizer plant does 8t production per 8t deliv... (andythenorth) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/2219 15:19:02 <DJNekkid> planetmaker: but i did not! 15:19:44 <planetmaker> hm. Does it show twice as it's incompatible? Might be... then I withdraw my comment and beg your pardon. 15:20:28 <DJNekkid> i did update 15:21:12 <DJNekkid> the 2set however, is there twice, but i have no idea why :) 15:21:54 <DJNekkid> the Beta-series of the NuTracks is set to be incompatible with the r-series :) 15:21:59 <DJNekkid> in the action14 15:22:08 <DJNekkid> with min version 21866 15:22:17 <DJNekkid> (openttd r21866) 15:22:23 <DJNekkid> i.e. a few revs before beta4 15:22:38 <DJNekkid> and after fs 4393/94 15:26:48 *** Lakie has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 15:27:13 *** KenjiE20 has quit IRC 15:28:14 *** KenjiE20 has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 15:31:23 <planetmaker> @op 15:31:23 *** Webster sets mode: +o planetmaker 15:31:25 <planetmaker> @op 15:31:27 *** planetmaker sets mode: +b *!*@174.122.29.93 15:31:30 <planetmaker> @deop 15:31:30 *** Webster sets mode: -o planetmaker 15:32:20 <dihedral> banning a single ip? :-P 15:32:41 <V453000> spammer 15:33:18 <dihedral> setting the channel to +r or +i for a short amount of time should suffice though, should it no? 15:33:22 <dihedral> *not 15:36:14 <planetmaker> why? 15:36:37 <planetmaker> this way nothing changes but the spam IP is banned... 15:36:46 <planetmaker> it's not like there's a flood 15:36:59 *** DanMacK has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 15:37:04 <DanMacK> Hey all 15:39:45 <dihedral> i was just expecting a lot more bans after the /27 network being mentioned :-P 15:50:15 <Brot6> 2cc train set - Feature #2207: Regio Shuttle (Purno) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/2207#change-5543 15:51:09 <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 1637:21d2592b08e7: Feature: Dredging Site included again (andythenorth) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/firs/repository/revisions/21d2592b08e7 15:51:54 <Brot6> 2cc train set - Feature #2207: Regio Shuttle (DJNekkid) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/2207#change-5544 15:52:00 <planetmaker> pull, andythenorth 15:52:31 <andythenorth> done 15:52:53 <planetmaker> 5 grfIDs declared incompatible 15:53:08 <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 1638:a72d26b2152e: Add: Citybuilder NewGRFs are incompat... (planetmaker) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/firs/repository/revisions/a72d26b2152e 15:53:13 <andythenorth> thanks 15:53:16 <andythenorth> ticket closed? 15:53:45 <planetmaker> no :-P 15:53:47 <planetmaker> but can 15:54:16 <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Feature #469 (Closed): Dredging Site (andythenorth) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/469#change-5545 15:55:21 <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Bug #2050 (Closed): compatibility check (andythenorth) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/2050#change-5546 16:07:58 <Brot6> Grapes - Revision 79:bcf04f71c3be: Change: place the interfaces into a more appropriately named p... (dih) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/grapes/repository/revisions/bcf04f71c3be 16:35:55 <andythenorth> planetmaker: this one is a puzzle to fix 16:35:56 <andythenorth> http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/1878 16:36:05 <andythenorth> I need a climate dependent text 16:36:13 <andythenorth> or to use the cargo string in the define somehow 16:39:15 <Brot6> 2cc train set - Feature #2217: C8 (Voyager1) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/2217#change-5548 16:41:00 <Brot6> 2cc train set - Feature #2207: Regio Shuttle (Voyager1) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/2207#change-5549 16:41:46 <andythenorth> http://www.shipspotting.com/gallery/photo.php?lid=664825 16:41:47 <Webster> Title: Condarrell - IMO 5083605 - ShipSpotting.com - Ship Photos and Ship Tracker (at www.shipspotting.com) 16:41:48 <andythenorth> oops 16:44:35 <planetmaker> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=927387#p927387 <-- dihedral don't you want to fix some grammar there? :-) 16:44:36 <Webster> Title: Transport Tycoon Forums View topic - Drive vehicles yourself (at www.tt-forums.net) 16:45:00 <planetmaker> s/to/too/ s/plane/plan/ 16:45:35 <Brot6> 2cc train set - Feature #2218: When should we release 2.0? (Voyager1) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/2218#change-5550 16:46:26 <Brot6> 2cc train set - Feature #2218: When should we release 2.0? (Voyager1) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/2218#change-5550 16:46:57 <Brot6> 2cc train set - Feature #2207: Regio Shuttle (DJNekkid) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/2207#change-5551 16:48:54 <Brot6> 2cc train set - Feature #2218: When should we release 2.0? (planetmaker) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/2218#change-5552 16:48:54 <Brot6> 2cc train set - Support #2211: Feedback from the community / playerbase (Voyager1) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/2211#change-5553 16:49:59 <Brot6> 2cc train set - Feature #2218: When should we release 2.0? (Ammler) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/2218#change-5554 16:49:59 <Brot6> 2cc train set - Feature #2218: When should we release 2.0? (DJNekkid) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/2218#change-5555 16:50:39 <andythenorth> there is a patch for driving isn't there? 16:50:47 <andythenorth> someone showed it 16:50:53 <andythenorth> cursor key control of RVs 16:54:21 <dihedral> hehe - thanks planetmaker 16:55:06 <Lakie> Surely it'd only crash if the tileids changed are driveable, planetmaker? 16:55:17 <planetmaker> Lakie: yes 16:55:21 <Brot6> 2cc train set - Support #2211: Feedback from the community / playerbase (planetmaker) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/2211#change-5556 16:55:24 <planetmaker> drive -> nondrive actually 16:55:30 <planetmaker> but the reverse can also be bad 16:55:34 <Lakie> Well, thats what I meant 16:55:53 <Lakie> The reverse leads to 'glitches' but isn't game breaking 16:56:24 <planetmaker> but I've very very bad experience with that with ISR. It literally let my game crash countless times when IDs were re-shuffled there between 0.6 and 0.8... thus I'm very very wary about that 16:56:59 <planetmaker> especially as changing the IDs actually is not needed and "just" code beautification 16:57:12 <planetmaker> and serves no other point that I'm aware of 16:58:40 <planetmaker> actually I wrote today just this, Lakie : http://hg.openttdcoop.org/nml/raw-file/tip/docs/compatible.html 17:00:08 <planetmaker> I thought about adding it to the NewGRF wiki, too. But I didn't find a place where I could link that properly 17:00:47 <Hirundo> DJNekkid: What version of 2cc/nutracks should I use? 17:01:30 <Lakie> I see 17:01:48 <Lakie> Well, I used ISR on and off, but generally never saw a crash as such 17:01:55 <DJNekkid> Hirundo: 727 17:01:58 <DJNekkid> :D 17:02:08 <Lakie> Not that my saved games live long on TTDPatch before bing nuked by a bug... 17:02:15 <planetmaker> Lakie: only when you load a game with ISR <= 0.6 and then provide only 0.8 when loading the game 17:02:29 <DJNekkid> if you feel like it, download the chillcore patchpack r21900 17:02:34 <DJNekkid> and join me :D 17:02:43 <planetmaker> e.g. try to load any older PublicServerGame with old ISRs and have only 0.8 avaialble 17:02:56 <Lakie> Well, yes 17:03:06 <Lakie> But multiplayer demands same version grfd 17:03:09 <Lakie> grfs* 17:03:13 <Lakie> For obvious reasons 17:03:23 <planetmaker> and that's what I argue about. Otherwise compatibility is anyway pointless. It's only for loading savegames 17:03:29 <planetmaker> yes, of course 17:03:57 <planetmaker> but we keep our savegames :-) 17:04:35 <Hirundo> DJNekkid: chillcore's PP contains too many and too low-quality patches for my taste 17:05:02 <planetmaker> it's indeed not that problematic anymore when newgrfs are found on bananas. One can always get the correct one from there, even upon loading the savegame. But... having it fail to load due to incompatiblity when they are incompatible is what that actually is for :-) 17:06:23 <DJNekkid> Hirundo: that might be :D i just like 3 of the patches that is in there... 17:06:27 <DJNekkid> or it might be 4 17:06:38 <DJNekkid> copy/pate, cargodist and autoseparate 17:06:55 <DJNekkid> and possibly IS, but im alone sofar :D 17:08:47 <Brot6> nml: update from r1138 to r1139 done - http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/nml/nightlies/r1139 17:09:43 <Lakie> Well, I understand the problem, however, it is ultimately the newgrf sets authors job, becides ISR was around long before Action14s. :) 17:10:23 <Hirundo> DJNekkid: I'm sticking with cargodist + some timetable stuff that doesn't break savegames 17:10:24 <planetmaker> Lakie: sure. But they would have needed to change the GRFID. Also TTDPatch will crash for that update 17:10:42 <Lakie> I don't remember if it crashes TTDPatch 17:10:57 <Lakie> From memory, I don't think it did but it did cause errors in the saved games 17:11:10 <planetmaker> a train on a non-track tile? Well, I can't tell for sure, but I'd wonder 17:11:21 <planetmaker> can't be healthy :-) 17:11:25 <Lakie> Aye 17:12:52 <frosch123> does it actually crash ottd when assertions are disabled? 17:13:51 <Hirundo> DJNekkid: Small nitpick: then->than in action14 description of wagon speed parameter 17:14:03 <planetmaker> I did not test that, frosch123 17:14:07 <Lakie> Anyway, don't blast Dante123 too much, its only through their kindness that we get such grfs. :) 17:14:22 <planetmaker> well. Yes. And he's a good fellow. 17:14:41 <Ammler> Hirundo: is cargodist savegame compatible during trunk bumps? 17:14:53 <planetmaker> But he has (so far) not much plan, I fear, with the coding details, though he's already quite far. 17:15:05 <planetmaker> But he doesn't yet know version control systems either ;-) 17:15:06 <Hirundo> Ammler: not sure 17:15:21 <planetmaker> So I have hope one can educate him in the right directions ;-) 17:15:29 <Lakie> Thats possible, in fairness I don't think him or RL Conray fully understands nfo or nml and how they work 17:15:58 <planetmaker> yep, that's what I mean :-) 17:16:20 <planetmaker> I mean... "fully understand" is stretchable, too. I'd be careful to claim that myself ;-) 17:17:47 <Hirundo> Ammler: After some inspection I don't think so, although I might be able to hack such support into it if some serious bug makes upgrading necessary during a gam 17:18:09 <DJNekkid> Hirundo: mind fixing it? im currenly not near my dev enviroment :) 17:18:25 <Brot6> 2cctrainset: update from r727 to r728 done (6 errors) - http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/2cctrainset/nightlies/r728 17:18:38 <Ammler> Hirundo: you should be as it is quite accoding to MiniIN :-) 17:18:40 <Lakie> Well, you atleast understand how nfo and mnml is structured and how to use the wikis 17:18:44 <Ammler> easy* 17:18:58 <DJNekkid> Hirundo: it should be in strings/7F_english.pnfo iirc 17:19:00 <Brot6> firs: update from r1631 to r1638 done - http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/firs/nightlies/r1638 17:19:46 <Hirundo> I'll give it a go 17:19:46 <Brot6> fish: update from r535 to r550 done (14 errors) - http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/fish/nightlies/r550 17:20:00 <Brot6> Following repos didn't need a nightlies update: 32bpp-extra (r39), ai-admiralai (r75), ai-aroai (r11), ailib-common (r21), ailib-direction (r17), ailib-list (r32), ailib-string (r29), ailib-tile (r16), airportsplus (r70), basecosts (r22), belarusiantowns (r8), bros (r45), comic-houses (r71), frenchtowns (r6), grfcodec (r821), heqs (r572), indonesiantowns (r41), manindu (r6), metrotrackset (r56), narvs (r5), newgrf_makefile (r254), nml 17:20:00 <Brot6> (r1139), nutracks (r171), ogfx-industries (r3), ogfx-landscape (r22), ogfx-rv (r78), ogfx-trains (r201), ogfx-trees (r42), opengfx (r593), openmsx (r97), opensfx (r97), smts (r19), snowlinemod (r45), spanishtowns (r10), swedishrails (r193), swisstowns (r22), transrapidtrackset (r15), ttdviewer (r26), ttrs (r24), worldairlinersset (r671) 17:20:55 <DJNekkid> awsome :) If there are any other errors, feel free :D 17:21:49 <Lakie> Heh 17:24:02 <Brot6> Following repos rebuilds successful without any difference to earlier nightlies builds: airportsplus (Diffsize: 1), belarusiantowns, frenchtowns, indonesiantowns (1 errors), manindu (Diffsize: 1), narvs, newgrf_makefile, ogfx-industries, ogfx-landscape, ogfx-rv (1 errors) (Diffsize: 2), ogfx-trains (Diffsize: 1), spanishtowns, swedishrails (Diffsize: 6), swisstowns 17:24:03 <Hirundo> DJNekkid: Done 17:24:17 <Brot6> 2cc train set - Revision 729:ad784df389d4: Fix: Some spelling errors. (Hirundo) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/2cctrainset/repository/revisions/ad784df389d4 17:26:15 <DJNekkid> thanks alot :D 17:28:24 <andythenorth> dante123 should use devzone :) 17:28:29 <andythenorth> and CPP 17:28:39 <planetmaker> yeah 17:28:39 <andythenorth> IDs are a big worry when you're doing a set without defines 17:28:46 <andythenorth> and not at all when defines are available 17:28:48 <planetmaker> :-) 17:28:58 <Lakie> Depends how one codes really 17:29:10 <Lakie> I could get by without defines but do like includes 17:29:23 * planetmaker likes both ;-) 17:29:40 * Lakie ponders if gcc will convrt things like 4*8 into 32 during preprocessing 17:30:11 <DJNekkid> if CPP could do math i would be deligted 17:30:12 <planetmaker> it does not 17:30:25 <Lakie> Ah so much for laziness 17:30:38 <DJNekkid> #define SOMETHING SOMETHING_ELSE<minus>1 17:30:44 <planetmaker> yeah. I wished for that multiple times and spend hours looking for a solution 17:31:17 <planetmaker> that's actually one other advantage of NML ;-) 17:31:23 <Lakie> Heh 17:31:37 <Lakie> Renum once used something but its since gone 17:31:44 * Lakie used it the finnish set source 17:31:45 <planetmaker> it did? wow 17:31:49 <Lakie> Aye 17:31:58 <Lakie> Since removed though for whatever reason 17:32:49 <Lakie> (and it worked since otherwise my vehicles would have all had bad offsets otherwise). ;) 17:32:55 <planetmaker> probably not the point of nforenum and a macro language can be used instead 17:33:06 <Lakie> Possibly 17:33:47 * andythenorth doesn't want to spend time debugging CPP calculations 17:33:57 <andythenorth> :) 17:34:01 <planetmaker> :-) 17:34:06 <andythenorth> I would like the maths, but on balance simpler is better 17:34:12 <Lakie> Do you mean g++ or c++? 17:34:35 *** noteda7 has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 17:34:37 <noteda7> irc.hardchats.com #gnaa - RECRUITMENT DRIVE, JOIN US FOR THE BEST IRC CHAT EVER! iwillrockyou 17:34:37 *** noteda7 has left #openttdcoop.devzone 17:34:45 <Lakie> ie. a c program or just the preprocessor? 17:34:45 <planetmaker> @op 17:34:45 *** Webster sets mode: +o planetmaker 17:34:56 *** planetmaker sets mode: +b *!*@174.122.112.* 17:35:00 <planetmaker> @deop 17:35:00 *** Webster sets mode: -o planetmaker 17:35:07 <V453000> more and more spam lately :( 17:39:13 <Brot6> 2cc train set - Feature #2220 (New): 81-717.5M (Voyager1) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/2220 17:39:54 <Brot6> 2cc train set - Feature #2218: When should we release 2.0? (Voyager1) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/2218#change-5558 17:40:26 <Brot6> 2cc train set - Feature #2220: 81-717.5M (DJNekkid) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/2220#change-5559 17:43:09 <Brot6> 2cc train set - Feature #2220: 81-717.5M (Voyager1) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/2220#change-5560 17:49:08 <Brot6> 2cc train set - Feature #2218: When should we release 2.0? (planetmaker) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/2218#change-5561 18:22:34 <andythenorth> planetmaker: how do I avoid breaking translations when changing lang defines? 18:24:17 <planetmaker> well... if you change strings, you necessarily break translations :-) 18:24:58 * planetmaker goes looking at the translator script 18:25:41 <Terkhen> if you rename lang defines, rename the defines at the translations too 18:26:41 <Brot6> 2cc train set - Feature #2221 (New): Taipei C301 (Voyager1) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/2221 18:26:43 <andythenorth> so find and replace... 18:26:50 <Terkhen> use sed 18:26:59 <planetmaker> yes, if it is just renaming, then renaming in the lang files is helpful, too 18:27:21 <planetmaker> if it is removing: it's nice to remove them there, too 18:27:30 <planetmaker> if it's changing: do nothing or remove them 18:28:11 * planetmaker just used ./check_language 02 ... and it seems to work mostly :-) 18:29:14 <planetmaker> just the usual false alarms for some strings 18:29:33 <planetmaker> which changed in the original but need no language update :-) 18:36:53 <Brot6> 2cc train set - Feature #2221: Taipei C301 (Voyager1) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/2221#change-5563 18:52:22 *** andythenorth has quit IRC 18:59:12 <Brot6> 2cc train set - Feature #1730 (Reopened): Washington 7000 (Voyager1) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/1730#change-5564 19:03:13 <Brot6> 32bpp-ez-patches: update from r21920 to r21924 done - http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/32bpp-ez-patches/testing/r21924 19:06:02 <Brot6> clientpatches: update from r21488 to r21488 done - http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/clientpatches/testing/r21488 19:07:08 <Brot6> serverpatches: compile of r21924 still failed (#2080) - http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/serverpatches/testing/ERROR/r21924 19:35:59 *** andythenorth has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 19:39:02 *** DanMacK has left #openttdcoop.devzone 20:14:27 *** DanMacK_ has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 20:32:07 <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 1639:ba4a154d15b0: Change: Sugar Refinery industry text ... (andythenorth) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/firs/repository/revisions/ba4a154d15b0 20:32:44 <andythenorth> so how do I figure out if I broke translations? 20:35:27 <andythenorth> planetmaker: ^ 20:35:49 <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 1640:b6b6427d18bb: Change: fix code formatting; correctl... (andythenorth) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/firs/repository/revisions/b6b6427d18bb 20:36:03 <planetmaker> there's in scripts a script: check_translations 20:36:14 <planetmaker> give it as parameter the langID (e.g. 02 for German) 20:36:21 <planetmaker> it'll tell what might need changing 20:37:47 <andythenorth> one string missing... 20:37:48 <planetmaker> output doesn't seem to have changed 20:37:59 <planetmaker> oh, right :-) 20:38:09 <planetmaker> that's new 20:38:10 <andythenorth> I expect one to be missing 20:38:18 <planetmaker> then it's fine 20:38:19 <andythenorth> what I'm not sure is if I should add it 20:38:23 <andythenorth> to each language 20:38:23 <planetmaker> no 20:38:35 <planetmaker> must not - or that script fails to detect it 20:38:45 <planetmaker> and we won't see what needs doing 20:38:57 <andythenorth> ok 20:39:00 <andythenorth> my work is done then :) 20:39:06 <planetmaker> :-) 20:39:20 <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Bug #1878 (Closed): Wrong string for Sugar Refinery (andythenorth) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/1878#change-5567 20:39:45 <andythenorth> I'm working my way through FIRS 0.6 tickets 20:39:46 <andythenorth> http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/firs/versions/134 20:40:21 <planetmaker> :-) 20:40:40 <andythenorth> the remaining tickets are harder :P 20:42:50 *** KenjiE20 has quit IRC 20:43:51 *** KenjiE20 has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 20:58:32 <Brot6> OpenGFX - Bug #2222 (New): wooden brigde, upper construction missing (Kjell_Bjarne) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/2222 21:00:25 <Brot6> OpenGFX - Bug #2222: wooden brigde, upper construction missing (Kjell_Bjarne) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/2222#change-5568 21:18:24 <dihedral> planetmaker, why not limit the 'developer tools' to developer builds? 21:18:48 <dihedral> that way the commands would only be available to developer builds and not to the general download 21:19:11 <Brot6> OpenGFX - Bug #2222: wooden brigde, upper construction missing (planetmaker) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/2222#change-5569 21:19:16 <planetmaker> he 21:19:31 <dihedral> a developer build could also display a warning about bug reports, and not write crash logs 21:19:52 <planetmaker> well. Many newgrf developers don't want or know how to compile the game themselves 21:20:06 <planetmaker> To exclude them from this tool targeted at them would probably not be a good idea 21:20:20 <planetmaker> Even though I agree, it's a tempting thought ;-) 21:20:44 <dihedral> who mentioned 'compile themselves' ? 21:20:45 <dihedral> :-) 21:20:57 <dihedral> you can still distribute binaries 21:21:08 <planetmaker> which? Nightlies? 21:21:17 <dihedral> but it's quite clear then if a warning message opens up each time you start the game 21:21:34 <planetmaker> hm 21:22:26 <Rubidium> give the amount of nightly bug reports with NewGRF caused bugs... don't think nightlies should be "developer" builds 21:22:33 <Rubidium> so that leaves... 21:23:20 <planetmaker> well. I think we should this change give some time to become 'active' 21:23:25 <planetmaker> and people getting used to 21:23:32 <dihedral> how many newgrf developers work with stable builds? 21:23:39 <planetmaker> :-) 21:23:43 <Rubidium> the problem is the people that download *everything* and *anything*, and then do *everything* and *anything* without reading... and then get crashes and without reading *everything* or *anything* file bug reports 21:23:50 <planetmaker> how many newgrf developer are there? 21:24:20 <Rubidium> dihedral: suchs gems as FS#4446 21:24:24 <planetmaker> I'd recon there are some dozens, but less than 100 21:24:32 <planetmaker> hahaha :-) 21:24:40 <planetmaker> that's the best I've seen ever 21:25:12 <dihedral> yeah :-D 21:25:38 <dihedral> the question is not "how many newgrf devs are there" but "how many people disregard the general warning" 21:28:11 <dihedral> well, removing such support from the general releases is my best idea 21:30:07 <Brot6> FISH - Revision 551:704bc0631dba: Change: update graphics for kometa hydrofoil (andythenorth) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/fish/repository/revisions/704bc0631dba 21:30:07 <Brot6> FISH - Revision 552:4a59de51783c: Change: set intro date correctly for Klyazma Hydrofoil (andythenorth) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/fish/repository/revisions/4a59de51783c 21:30:33 <dihedral> i love the title of fs4449 21:30:39 <Rubidium> dihedral: FS#4337 is nice too 21:31:20 <Brot6> FISH - Revision 553:cee1aab49c21: Change: use escape for intro date (andythenorth) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/fish/repository/revisions/cee1aab49c21 21:31:37 <dihedral> what people must think when creating those tickets 21:34:06 <Brot6> FISH - Revision 554:10322230e00d: Add: rendered intermediates for boeing hydrofoil (andythenorth) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/fish/repository/revisions/10322230e00d 21:35:08 <Brot6> FISH - Revision 555:2750100385fd: Add: file for 818 Hydrofoil (andythenorth) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/fish/repository/revisions/2750100385fd 21:56:49 <Brot6> FISH - Revision 556:f7919caba6ba: Change: rename defines for Kometa Hydrofoil to Klyazma (andythenorth) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/fish/repository/revisions/f7919caba6ba 21:56:49 <Brot6> FISH - Revision 557:874cc1bb5f2d: Change: rename graphics files for Kometa Hydrofoil to Klyazma (andythenorth) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/fish/repository/revisions/874cc1bb5f2d 21:56:49 <Brot6> FISH - Revision 558:20991109edf7: Change: rename file for Kometa Hydrofoil to Klyazma (andythenorth) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/fish/repository/revisions/20991109edf7 22:12:37 <Brot6> FISH - Feature #2072 (Closed): Update sprites for Traders (andythenorth) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/2072#change-5577 22:20:38 <Brot6> FISH - Revision 559:9be609a046d5: Change: Xacuabs Hydrofoil (unfunished) (andythenorth) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/fish/repository/revisions/9be609a046d5 22:20:38 <Brot6> FISH - Revision 560:88843159fdf6: Change: hide Xacuabs Hydrofoil (andythenorth) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/fish/repository/revisions/88843159fdf6 22:30:20 <DJNekkid> that is wierd 22:31:01 <DJNekkid> when i quit the game, and i have set a shortcut key to someting non-0-9-a-Z it get a crash 22:31:13 <Brot6> FISH - Revision 561:f3282c470c8f: Fix: remove an error with conflicting action 2 IDs for hydrofoils (andythenorth) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/fish/repository/revisions/f3282c470c8f 22:33:08 <Brot6> FISH - Revision 562:01735496c58f: Fix: remove a build error with hydrofoils by commenting an unus... (andythenorth) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/fish/repository/revisions/01735496c58f 22:34:12 <andythenorth> ta da 22:34:18 <andythenorth> no build errors in FISH 22:34:54 <andythenorth> and so bed time 22:35:58 *** andythenorth has left #openttdcoop.devzone 22:37:38 <Brot6> FISH - Bug #2193 (Closed): DevZone compile failed (andythenorth) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/2193#change-5580 22:46:44 <Brot6> Grapes - Feature Request #1770 (Rejected): Command ExtentionPoint (dih) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/1770#change-5581 22:48:39 *** ODM has quit IRC 22:49:12 <Brot6> 2cc train set - Feature #2223 (New): NOLB 1 (Voyager1) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/2223 22:54:38 *** DanMacK_ has quit IRC 23:30:27 *** Lakie has quit IRC