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Log for #openttdcoop.devzone on 27th March 2011:
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05:29:31  <planetmaker> moin
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07:17:53  <andythenorth> mornings
07:22:05  <Brot6> [releases] openSUSE API not reachable, sleep an hour and try again...
07:22:10  <Brot6> HEQS "Heavy Equipment" Set - Feature #2472 (New): Add action 14 descriptions for enable /disabl... (andythenorth) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/2472
07:23:34  <Brot6> HEQS "Heavy Equipment" Set - Feature #2472 (New): Add action 14 descriptions for enable /disabl... (andythenorth) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/2472
07:38:51  <andythenorth> planetmaker: #2472
07:38:51  <Brot6> andythenorth: planetmaker: #2472 is http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/show/2472 "HEQS "Heavy Equipment" Set - Feature #2472: Add action 14 descriptions for enable /disable vehicles - #openttdcoop Development Zone"
07:39:14  <Brot6> HEQS "Heavy Equipment" Set - Revision 596:de52aee23aca: Feature: action 14 descriptions for veh... (andythenorth) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/heqs/repository/revisions/de52aee23aca
07:39:14  <Brot6> HEQS "Heavy Equipment" Set - Feature #2472: Add action 14 descriptions for enable /disable vehi... (andythenorth) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/2472#change-6387
07:42:59  <planetmaker> ho, moin andythenorth
07:43:04  <andythenorth> hi hi
07:46:42  <planetmaker> might be an idea... let's see
07:47:45  <andythenorth> close it otherwise ;)
07:47:50  <Brot6> CHIPS Station Set - Feature #2473 (New): Display huts by track-tile exits (andythenorth) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/2473
07:51:06  <planetmaker> I'm right on it.
07:51:17  <planetmaker> thanks for the notification and the marvelous preparation :-)
07:51:18  <Brot6> CHIPS Station Set - Feature #2474 (New): Add crane tile, built near centre of station (andythenorth) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/2474
07:56:35  <Brot6> [nightlies] openSUSE API not reachable, sleep an hour and try again...
07:57:45  <planetmaker> hm, what does a foundry transporter transport?
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08:00:43  <planetmaker> or where does it (usually) operate, andythenorth ?
08:11:50  <andythenorth> planetmaker: foundry transporter transports metal / scrap metal
08:11:53  <andythenorth> in steel mills and similar
08:12:04  <planetmaker> hm...
08:12:16  <planetmaker> no good translation I can come up with :S
08:13:24  <andythenorth> well many of them are made in germany
08:13:27  <andythenorth> let me find you a source
08:14:40  <andythenorth> planetmaker: http://www.scheuerle.com/en/products/new-vehicles/steel-industry.html
08:14:41  <Webster> Title: Steel Industry: www.scheuerle.com" target="_blank">www.scheuerle.com (at www.scheuerle.com" target="_blank">www.scheuerle.com)
08:14:47  <andythenorth> has a german translation
08:15:01  <planetmaker> thanks :-)
08:15:22  <andythenorth> if you can't find something exact, just use 'metal industry transporter' equivalent
08:15:32  <andythenorth> or exclude it, it's only an example list, not canonical
08:16:22  <planetmaker> ah, I think I found something somewhat appropriate
08:16:35  <planetmaker> which could also be back-translated to like "heavy-duty" or so
08:16:48  <planetmaker> or heavy weight
08:17:02  <planetmaker> should be good enough :-)
08:18:01  <planetmaker> I remove also a few non-needed white spaces in the English sentences, ok?
08:18:13  <planetmaker> because "  \n" -> "\n"
08:18:26  <planetmaker> trailing white space is... not needed before a line break ;-)
08:18:29  <andythenorth> indeed
08:18:52  <andythenorth> I did that for readability
08:18:59  <andythenorth> I should have broken the string for that purpose
08:20:12  <planetmaker> he. Well. I rather keep them in one line in these cases as it keeps translations easier to follow. It's a matter of personal taste there, though, I guess.
08:20:35  <andythenorth> it's way beyond 80 chars, if that matters ;)
08:20:39  <andythenorth> anyway
08:20:45  <andythenorth> when done, 1.0.1 is ready to release
08:21:23  <planetmaker> hm, I'll also indent the line broken description lines.
08:21:48  <andythenorth> works for me
08:22:05  <Brot6> [releases] openSUSE API not reachable, sleep an hour and try again...
08:24:51  <planetmaker> hmpf... utf-8 issues :S
08:25:30  <andythenorth> pah
08:25:33  <andythenorth> my editor did that?
08:25:50  <andythenorth> textwrangler thinks it's utf-8
08:26:04  <planetmaker> not sure. Maybe also mine. Doesn't matter, I'll fix it whereever it went wrong :-)
08:26:25  <planetmaker> hm... or I didn't refresh :-P
08:28:55  <planetmaker> hm, it's indicated utf-8 here, too. Still the ß is represented wrongly :S
08:30:18  * andythenorth has a mostly hate-hate relationship with unicode
08:30:43  <Rubidium> yeah, a character should never have been a byte
08:32:50  <andythenorth> that horse may have bolted
08:38:41  <Brot6> HEQS "Heavy Equipment" Set - Revision 597:78e28a1e02b7: Add #2472: German translation of availa... (planetmaker) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/heqs/repository/revisions/78e28a1e02b7
08:44:26  <andythenorth> planetmaker: what do you think, 1.0.1, or 1.1?
08:44:40  <andythenorth> bug fixes + 1 mid-sized feature
08:48:19  <planetmaker> 1.1 is appropriate IMHO
08:48:22  <planetmaker> new features
08:48:33  <planetmaker> let me check a quick update of the build system
08:51:31  <Brot6> HEQS "Heavy Equipment" Set - Feature #2472 (Closed): Add action 14 descriptions for enable /dis... (andythenorth) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/2472
08:51:31  <Brot6> HEQS "Heavy Equipment" Set - Feature #2472 (Closed): Add action 14 descriptions for enable /dis... (andythenorth) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/2472#change-6389
08:51:53  <planetmaker> ty
08:54:15  <andythenorth> planetmaker: I wait for the build system update before tagging?
08:54:29  <planetmaker> I think I have it. Incoming in the next 10 minutes
08:54:43  <andythenorth> no rush
08:54:57  <andythenorth> release likely won't happen until Ammler has server issue resolved
08:55:14  <planetmaker> hm, yeah, the opensuse thing's still down :S
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09:04:32  * Ammler doeesn't resolve anything
09:06:17  <planetmaker> makefile changes committed, andythenorth
09:06:21  <Brot6> HEQS "Heavy Equipment" Set - Revision 598:cd2f2c6a7b8c: Change: [Makefile] Update to makefile r264 (planetmaker) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/heqs/repository/revisions/cd2f2c6a7b8c
09:06:22  <Terkhen> hmm... let me translate HEQS before release :)
09:06:27  <planetmaker> :-)
09:07:37  * planetmaker added Terkhen as developer so that he can commit himself
09:08:14  <planetmaker> (I'm sure andythenorth won't mind ;-) )
09:10:31  <Terkhen> thanks :)
09:14:08  <Terkhen> hmm... heqs could use a translation framework too :)
09:14:34  <Terkhen> "T" \d0 7F "1 / 512" 00 <--- why do strings like this one need translation?
09:14:56  <Brot6> Example NewGRF Project - Revision 266:6395e8e91c44: Fix: [NFO] Having the nfo and not the cnfo fi... (planetmaker) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/newgrf-makefile/repository/revisions/6395e8e91c44
09:15:05  <planetmaker> Terkhen: they don't...
09:15:33  <planetmaker> don't ask me why I did. Probably for completeness' sake ;-)
09:15:55  <Terkhen> ok :)
09:21:47  <Terkhen> heh, I was expecting the strings to be utf automatically :)
09:22:05  <Brot6> [releases] openSUSE API not reachable, sleep an hour and try again...
09:22:08  <andythenorth> try the 'new' translation framework in HEQS?
09:23:01  <Terkhen> the extra info of the vehicles could be translated too, IMO
09:23:45  <Terkhen> and yes, it would make sense to test it :)
09:24:08  <Terkhen> this is a small test case, but already big enough to require a framework
09:24:14  <Ammler> the openSUSE API issues are serious, the authentication server from novell is down
09:24:53  <planetmaker> hm
09:25:42  <andythenorth> do I have to commit changes to .hgtags?
09:25:45  <andythenorth> I tagged 1.1
09:25:52  <andythenorth> but thought it had better be 1.1.0
09:26:04  <andythenorth> or maybe it doesn't matter
09:26:56  <Ammler> if you work with one branch only, direct "fixes" to the file are the easiest/cleanest imo
09:27:13  <Terkhen> but wait a little longer, I'm already finishing :)
09:27:16  <andythenorth> oh
09:27:19  <andythenorth> too late :(
09:27:38  <Brot6> HEQS "Heavy Equipment" Set - Revision 599:470fe635d272: Added tag 1.1 for changeset cd2f2c6a7b8c (andythenorth) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/heqs/repository/revisions/470fe635d272
09:27:41  * andythenorth suspects some editing of .hgtags forthcoming
09:27:46  <andythenorth> hmm
09:27:50  <andythenorth> sorry
09:28:37  <Terkhen> I guess you can't rollback that now :/
09:29:11  <andythenorth> we'll find a way :D
09:29:11  <Ammler> well, he could tag 1.1.0 :-)
09:29:17  <andythenorth> exactly
09:29:34  <Ammler> in that case, just keep 1.1, it won't hurt
09:29:55  <andythenorth> yup
09:30:10  <andythenorth> anyway, 1.1.x is mostly dedicated to Ammler ;)
09:30:19  <andythenorth> who will enjoy #2472
09:30:19  <Brot6> andythenorth: #2472 is http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/show/2472 "HEQS "Heavy Equipment" Set - Feature #2472: Add action 14 descriptions for enable /disable vehicles - #openttdcoop Development Zone"
09:30:27  <andythenorth> and related tickets
09:30:34  <Ammler> lol
09:31:01  <Ammler> I was just the ticket maker :-P
09:39:55  <Terkhen> done :)
09:40:59  <Brot6> HEQS "Heavy Equipment" Set - Revision 600:97d403744db3: Add: Spanish translation of availabilit... (Terkhen) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/heqs/repository/revisions/97d403744db3
09:41:45  <andythenorth> anyone else want to add anything?
09:41:46  <andythenorth> dutch?
09:41:49  <andythenorth> french?
09:41:52  <andythenorth> :D
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10:29:19  <planetmaker> andythenorth, you might ask Hirundo, Yexo, SmatZ or V453000 directly for a translation of HEQS parameters as described in http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/heqs/repository/revisions/78e28a1e02b7/entry/sprites/nfo/parameters_a14.pnfo ;-)
10:30:24  <V453000> wtf? :D
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10:33:47  <planetmaker> well, take that file and add translation into CZ for those lines which have a line starting with "T" "NAME" 7F or "T" "DESC" 7F
10:34:25  <planetmaker> and post the modified file in a new translation issue in http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/heqs/issues
10:35:17  <planetmaker> replace the 7F by 15 for the lines of the Czech translation
10:35:43  <andythenorth> V453000: let me know if you're doing that :)
10:35:51  <andythenorth> otherwise I tag soon
10:35:52  <planetmaker> you get the drift when you look at the lines with 02 instead of 7F :-)
10:36:23  <V453000> I see
10:36:47  <V453000> okay, not not but later today :)
10:37:02  <V453000> not now* :)
10:45:16  <andythenorth> I can leave the release until tonight
10:45:17  <andythenorth> no rush
10:46:11  <planetmaker> no rush. you got 4 hours :-P
10:48:53  * planetmaker is off for most of the rest of the day - enjoying the nice spring weather around here :-)
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11:57:23  <Rubidium> Brot6, you're starting to get boring
11:57:23  <Brot6> re, Rubidium
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11:59:22  <planetmaker> hm, I'm still here, but it does ;-)
12:14:54  <Brot6> 2cc train set - Feature #2152: MTR ER20 (Hong Kong) (EmperorJake) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/2152#change-6390
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12:35:17  <V453000> planetmaker: is there any sophisticated way how to open the pnfo? :D
12:35:42  <V453000> I tossed it into notepad but that just isnt formatted at all which makes terrible orientation
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13:08:31  <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 1902:f5f1d7237129: Feature: graphics to show metal at Me... (andythenorth) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/firs/repository/revisions/f5f1d7237129
13:12:27  <Ammler> V453000: which windows do you use in the meantime?
13:12:42  <V453000> 7
13:13:16  <Ammler> ok, still such crappy editor
13:13:56  <Ammler> http://notepad-plus-plus.org/ <-- I guess, this is best for you :-)
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13:13:57  <Webster> Title: Notepad++ | 5.8.7 (at notepad-plus-plus.org)
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15:11:34  <V453000> thanks Ammler :) works nicely
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15:32:13  <V453000> andythenorth: https://dl-web.dropbox.com/get/parameters_a14_czech01.txt?w=d6661379 ... I placed "FF" for the czech things, so you will need to replace those. As for the availability vehicles, there are some \n things I do not understand so I just wrote it as the previous stuff, hope that is okay, or just tell me what it does :)
15:32:33  <V453000> oh, and it is a *.txt cause I do not know how to save it as pnfo :P
15:35:45  <Yexo> V453000: \n means "new line"
15:35:56  <Yexo> I can't open that file btw, I get a 403 forbidden error
15:36:13  <V453000> ok, thanks ... hm, I will upload it to devzone
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15:52:34  <Ammler> V453000: why not simply create a ticket?
15:53:04  <andythenorth> hello
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15:54:56  <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Feature #816 (Closed): Recycling Plant, Recycling Depot, recyclab... (andythenorth) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/816#change-6392
15:55:58  <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Feature #2475 (New): Graphics for Recycling Depot (andythenorth) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/2475
15:56:37  <Brot6> [nightlies] openSUSE API not reachable, sleep an hour and try again...
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16:37:15  <Brot6> HEQS "Heavy Equipment" Set - Feature #2476 (New): Czech translation - parameter settings (V453000) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/2476
16:37:43  <V453000> andythenorth: ^
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17:05:55  <andythenorth> V453000: thanks
17:15:15  <V453000> sure, np .) ... I assigned FF to the czech lines, you will probably need to replace that :)
17:22:07  <Brot6> [releases] openSUSE API not reachable, sleep an hour and try again...
17:33:40  <Ammler> <planetmaker> [12:35:53] you get the drift when you look at the lines with 02 instead of 7F
17:35:15  <V453000> :D uhm
17:35:31  <Ammler> oh, he didn't tell you the value of cz
17:35:53  <V453000> yes, just checked :)
17:36:14  <V453000> I believe that is not too much efffor to replace FF to "whatever"
17:37:54  <Ammler> relatively
17:38:12  <Ammler> FF might be a common value, so you better used <cz> or something :-)
17:53:18  <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 1903:06e7d0a27c4d: Feature: better graphics for Recyclin... (andythenorth) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/firs/repository/revisions/06e7d0a27c4d
17:53:42  <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Feature #2475 (Closed): Graphics for Recycling Depot (andythenorth) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/2475
17:53:42  <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Feature #2475 (Closed): Graphics for Recycling Depot (andythenorth) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/2475#change-6393
17:54:00  <andythenorth> 15 appears to be cz
17:55:15  <andythenorth> I'll merge in the cz text
17:56:37  <Brot6> [nightlies] openSUSE API not reachable, sleep an hour and try again...
17:58:41  * andythenorth suspects a forthcoming unicode tragedy :(
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17:59:05  <andythenorth> hrr
17:59:21  <andythenorth> V453000: there are unicode problems with the txt file
17:59:26  <andythenorth> I'm not sure how to resolve unicode issues
17:59:29  <andythenorth> I hate them :)
18:00:42  <Brot6> HEQS "Heavy Equipment" Set - Revision 601:1166e0597f20: Change: minor edit to english text for ... (andythenorth) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/heqs/repository/revisions/1166e0597f20
18:00:59  * andythenorth tries a better editor
18:03:56  <andythenorth> hmm
18:04:02  <andythenorth> can't resolve the unicode issue sorry
18:04:09  <andythenorth> maybe planetmaker can help later
18:08:36  <Terkhen> andythenorth: the Þ character is missing at the beginning of some czech strings
18:13:51  <andythenorth> ok that resolves it I think
18:19:49  <Brot6> HEQS "Heavy Equipment" Set - Revision 602:18f3d51b2d45: Feature: Czech translation for paramete... (andythenorth) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/heqs/repository/revisions/18f3d51b2d45
18:20:55  <andythenorth> time for a release?
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18:23:24  <Brot6> HEQS "Heavy Equipment" Set - Revision 603:b1ad88a8420f: Added tag 1.1.0 for changeset 18f3d51b2d45 (andythenorth) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/heqs/repository/revisions/b1ad88a8420f
18:46:52  <Ammler> andythenorth: you can't set parameters to 0 or 1 with gui
18:47:23  <Ammler> and I assume it is a bitswitch and so it is a bit complcater for the no gui versions
18:52:14  <andythenorth> Ammler: it's a bool
18:52:27  <andythenorth> dunno how that works without the GUI
18:52:34  <andythenorth> but people should upgrade :P
18:52:38  <andythenorth> the old way is broken
18:52:59  <andythenorth> not actually broken...just bad
18:53:16  <Ammler> well, you don't have guis everywhere
18:53:19  <Ammler> e.g. on a dedi
18:53:48  <andythenorth> hmm
18:53:55  <andythenorth> someone should add more detail to the readme
18:53:59  <andythenorth> for HEQS
18:54:02  <andythenorth> about parameters...
18:54:03  <Ammler> I just meant it isn't 0 or 1 on GUI either
18:54:29  <andythenorth> the GUI *thinks* it's 0 or 1
18:54:35  <andythenorth> try it ;)
18:54:37  <Ammler> so you should either speak about the "right value" or don't use values at all :-)
18:55:04  <Ammler> hmm, so you have one parameter per bit?
18:55:07  <andythenorth> my newgrf window shows my HEQS parameter values as 9 9 1 0 1 1
18:55:11  <andythenorth> currently
18:55:16  <Ammler> ah ok
18:55:28  <andythenorth> which corresponds to some road vehicles off, everything else on
18:55:29  <Ammler> then it isn't a bitswitch, what I assumed
18:55:37  <andythenorth> no, one bool per group
18:55:40  <andythenorth> is easiest
18:55:47  <andythenorth> dumb, but simple
18:56:01  <Ammler> well, but easy for non gui version
18:56:19  <Ammler> all fine, ignore my comment then :-P
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18:56:44  <andythenorth> could still use a better readme?
18:58:19  <Ammler> yeah, instead changelog in the readme, make a real readme :-P
18:58:39  <andythenorth> indeed
18:58:43  <andythenorth> but there's also a manual
18:58:46  <andythenorth> (not up to date)
18:58:57  <Ammler> true
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18:59:11  <Ammler> then maybe rename readme to changelog
18:59:52  <Ammler> the only non changelog infos in there aren't required imo
19:00:31  <Ammler> do you bundle the pdf with the release?
19:03:27  <Ammler> or would the tool you use to make that pdf also allow to make a html?
19:04:17  <andythenorth> I was thinking of moving the manual to html anyway
19:04:22  <andythenorth> it's feasible
19:04:27  <andythenorth> I can run it on my site
19:04:33  <Brot6> HEQS "Heavy Equipment" Set - Revision 604:e759b9cefaa0: Change: move changelog to dedicated file (andythenorth) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/heqs/repository/revisions/e759b9cefaa0
19:04:59  <Ammler> well, you can also "refresh" it with building like grf2html
19:06:51  <Ammler> I know, you can have readme as pdf, but can you have both?
19:06:58  <Ammler> e.g. on bananas
19:10:29  <andythenorth> not sure
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19:44:23  <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Feature #2318: Parameter to prevent industry opening during game (andythenorth) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/2318#change-6394
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20:19:20  <Brot6> North American Road Vehicle Set (NARVS) - Revision 36:78500cf4c3b4: reverted to r29 (oberhuemer) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/narvs/repository/revisions/78500cf4c3b4
20:19:20  <Brot6> North American Road Vehicle Set (NARVS) - Revision 37:82a64e1bb459: reapplied changes (oberhuemer) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/narvs/repository/revisions/82a64e1bb459
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20:45:09  <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Feature #2477 (New): Recycling depot needs location code (andythenorth) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/2477
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