Log for #openttdcoop.devzone on 10th April 2011:
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00:21:22  <Brot6> DictatorAI - Revision 113:6594860c0879: - fix crash when road vehicle cannot get a depot (krinn) @
04:33:46  <Brot6> Bundles Update: ge164f4b3 2011-04-10 cargodist   (
05:37:18  <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 1918:b1862caef3e8: Add: source psd for Windmill (andythenorth) @
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07:03:32  <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 1919:8bd7a5abe57b: Change: improve Windmill appearance (andythenorth) @
07:13:43  <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 1920:e9f212f7467d: Change: further improve Windmill appe... (andythenorth) @
07:23:24  <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 1921:a6c176f627cf: Change: re-use some base set graphics... (andythenorth) @
09:15:53  <Brot6> British Rail OpenTTD Set - Feature #1892: Class 220 'Voyager'/Class 221 'Super Voyager'/Class 222... (OTTDmaster) @
09:17:06  <Brot6> British Rail OpenTTD Set - Feature #1893: Class 170 'Turbostar' (OTTDmaster) @
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09:27:33  <Brot6> DevZone Help Center - Membership #2513 (New): Applying for project: DeeStar (OTTDmaster) @
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10:19:24  <Brot6> DevZone Help Center - Membership #2513: Applying for project: DeeStar (Ammler) @
10:29:38  <Brot6> DevZone Help Center - Membership #2513 (Closed): Applying for project: DeeStar (OTTDmaster) @
10:29:38  <Brot6> DevZone Help Center - Membership #2513 (Closed): Applying for project: DeeStar (yexo) @
10:32:35  <Ammler> Yexo: do you have somewhere else a link to the ai guys to apply for a project?
10:32:53  <Ammler> it misses the "autoaddwatch" :-)
10:33:14  <Ammler> e.g.[subject]=Applying%20for%20project:%20%3Cname%20here%3E&issue[priority_id]=7&issue[watcher_user_ids][]=4&issue[watcher_user_ids][]=3&issue[watcher_user_ids][]=115&issue[watcher_user_ids][]=254&issue[description]=Hello,%20I%20would%20like%20to%20request%20a%20project%20on%20your%20DevZone,%20my%20work%20is%20or%20will%20be%20GPL%20and%20therefore%20legitimate%
10:33:15  <Ammler> 20to%20be%20hosted%20from%20you.%20More%20infos%20follow
10:33:25  <Yexo> nope
10:33:25  <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 1922:26e79b5b2a0c: Feature: significantly improved Petro... (andythenorth) @
10:33:36  <Ammler> water_user_id...
10:33:40  <Ammler> hmm
10:33:44  <Yexo> has a link to
10:35:02  <Brot6> repository /home/hg/ailib-dstar registered in Redmine with url /home/hg/ailib-dstar
10:35:02  <Brot6> repository /home/hg/ailib-dstar created
11:08:30  <andythenorth> Ammler: *all* she had to do was ask :P
11:18:49  <Ammler> well, not even ask
11:19:00  <Ammler> just mention you would be enough
11:19:27  <andythenorth> yes - or ask the set maintainer if she wasn't sure who drew what
11:19:47  <andythenorth> but - måh
11:19:53  <andythenorth> or whatever the accent you use is ;)
11:20:24  <andythenorth> bbl
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11:30:02  <ZirconiumX> hg isn't working
11:30:27  <ZirconiumX> I have added my library.nut
11:30:27  <LordAro> a proper error report would be better
11:31:11  <ZirconiumX> changed my hgrc
11:31:18  <ZirconiumX> and hg push gives
11:31:24  <ZirconiumX> pushing to https://OTTDmaster:***
11:31:31  <ZirconiumX> no changes found
11:31:45  <Yexo> you forgot to do "hg commit"
11:31:46  <ZirconiumX> and doesn't add anything
11:31:58  <Yexo> "hg add" just marks the files for adding in the next commit
11:35:40  <ZirconiumX> hg commit gives
11:35:42  <ZirconiumX> abort: no username supplied (see "hg help config")
11:36:51  <ZirconiumX> figured it out now
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14:33:46  <Brot6> DevZone Version 2 - Feature #2514 (New): GUI integration into Redmine (Ammler) @
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14:53:42  <Brot6> NewGRF Meta Language - Feature Request #1583: Convert palette automatically (was: Autodetect pale... (MizardX) @
14:53:51  * Ruudjah wonders why he opened 32bpp base graphics set issue #648
14:53:51  <Brot6> Ruudjah: #648 is "DevZone Help Center - Membership #648: Applying for project: OpenGFX32bpp - #openttdcoop Development Zone"
15:02:57  <Ammler> Ruudjah: did my target removal trigger a mail to you?
15:03:07  <Ammler> then I am sorry :-)
15:03:35  <Ammler> I had to remove that target version from the ticket to remove the version
15:04:47  <Ruudjah> yup
15:05:01  <Ruudjah> no clue what you mean
15:05:45  <Ruudjah> no clue why my name/mail was even there. prolly some initiative I was enthusiastic about but then forgot/got demotivated with
15:05:46  <Ammler> doesn't really matter, you don't need to do anything
15:06:38  <Ruudjah> no need to apologize though
15:07:01  <Ammler> well, mail about closed ticket is like spam
15:07:22  <Ruudjah> Im used to getting hundreds of em
15:07:48  <Ammler> specially as this > 1year old :-)
15:08:10  <Ammler> I hope you don't add us to your spamfilter then :-P
15:08:19  <Ruudjah> I managed to fill my gmail with such mails
15:08:26  <Ruudjah> _a_ gmail account
15:08:31  <Ammler> oh
15:08:49  <Ammler> my gmail spamfilter works quite well
15:09:07  <Ruudjah> it's all opti-in
15:09:11  <Ammler> ah ok
15:09:25  <Ammler> you are maillist junky? ;-)
15:10:01  <Ruudjah> Something like that. I like to follow progress on projects, especially opensource stuff.
15:10:39  <Ammler> I prefilter maillist mails and usually delete those unread :-)
15:11:00  <Ammler> or just read topics
15:11:45  <Ruudjah> main motivation is to learn what projects excell and what projects tend to fail
15:12:48  <Ammler> luckily openttd is one of the first :-)
15:13:02  <Ammler> 32bpp is still in the childhood
15:13:40  <Ruudjah> openttd definitely is not one of the first
15:13:46  <Ruudjah> not one of last either
15:16:03  <Ammler> :'-(
15:16:06  <Ammler> :-)
15:24:41  <Brot6> D* - Revision 0:d394a8bb1a4a: (rev 1) Add: library.nut along with the .hgignore (OTTDmaster) @
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17:00:41  <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 1923:4644e3bc4380: Change: further reduce Junk Yard init... (andythenorth) @
17:18:52  <Brot6> firs: update from r1915 to r1923 done (1 errors) -
17:19:06  <Brot6> Following repos didn't need a nightlies update: 2cctrainset (r750), 32bpp-extra (r39), ai-admiralai (r75), ai-aroai (r25), ailib-common (r21), ailib-direction (r17), ailib-list (r32), ailib-string (r29), ailib-tile (r16), airportsplus (r73), basecosts (r25), belarusiantowns (r8), bros (r52), chips (r128), comic-houses (r71), fish (r617), frenchtowns (r6), german-townnames (ERROR r24), grfcodec (r828), heqs (r604), indonesiantowns (r41),
17:19:06  <Brot6> manindu (r7), metrotrackset (r56), narvs (r37), newgrf_makefile (r266), nml (ERROR r1307), nutracks (r185), ogfx-industries (r12), ogfx-landscape (r58), ogfx-rv (r80), ogfx-trains (r237), ogfx-trees (r42), opengfx (r637), openmsx (r97), opensfx (r97), smts (r19), snowlinemod (r49), spanishtowns (r10), swedishrails (r198), swisstowns (r22), transrapidtrackset (r15), ttdviewer (r26), ttrs (r36), worldairlinersset (r671)
17:28:29  <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 1924:e3952d642d7d: Change: tweak to Petrol Station appea... (andythenorth) @
17:38:41  <andythenorth> planetmaker: was using TTRS ever discussed for OpenGFX?
17:39:17  <planetmaker> yes and no. Not really, though
17:39:34  <andythenorth> I was looking at it today
17:39:48  <andythenorth> it's not my taste, but it is very coherent and done well
17:39:55  <andythenorth> impressive set
17:41:05  <andythenorth> some of the buildings would be a better fit than the current opengfx versions
17:41:36  <planetmaker> yes it is indeed an awesome set with its own style. Indeed we should look at that in detail.
17:41:59  <andythenorth> I really like all the extra detail: fire station, police station etc
17:42:02  <planetmaker> I actually still hope to get (much) less noisy versions of many houses, though
17:42:06  <planetmaker> yep :-)
17:42:09  <andythenorth> TTRS is cute and kind of humorous
17:42:18  <planetmaker> but unfortunately I don't have the liberty to rename houses
17:47:10  <andythenorth> opengfx +
17:48:34  * Ammler hates using graphics from other sets in ogfx
17:48:55  <andythenorth> Ammler: do you hate that as much as drawing n houses?
17:49:15  <Ammler> I would prefer black box :-P
17:49:18  <Yexo> did someone start opengfx+houses? if not, why should it be started?
17:49:27  <andythenorth> fire stations :)
17:49:50  <andythenorth> Yexo: I have a few interesting industry code tasks for FIRS...if you would like to help?
17:49:52  <Yexo> I mean, why not just keep using TTRS?
17:49:54  <Ammler> andythenorth: I see no sense of including something to ogfx, if you can simply load _that_ newgrf
17:50:00  <andythenorth> well maybe
17:50:05  <Yexo> andythenorth: perhaps, depends on how interesting :)
17:50:19  <andythenorth> industry location code, cb28
17:50:31  <andythenorth> 1. locate an industry adjacent to any full road tile
17:51:44  <Yexo> not sure if that is possible at all, I think you can only check the tile type of nearby tiles
17:51:58  <Yexo> so "some road" vs "no road at all" is possible, but that's all
17:52:05  <andythenorth> that would do
17:52:38  <Yexo> which industry?
17:53:03  <andythenorth> petrol pump
17:53:15  <andythenorth> it's got barely any templating or other stuff to engage with
17:53:41  <Yexo> cb28 is not yet used? that makes it easy
17:53:41  <andythenorth> there are only two layouts: 1x2 and 2x1
17:53:46  <andythenorth> not used yet no
17:54:13  <Yexo> which tiles need to be road? just any of the 6 neighbouring tiles?
17:54:44  <andythenorth> yep
17:57:53  <andythenorth> Yexo: you're correct - var 60 gets the landscape class only.  Not the further bits.
17:58:13  <Yexo> it's actually var 62 for industries
17:58:42  <andythenorth> oh yes
18:17:06  <Yexo> andythenorth: it's impossible, the parameter for industry var 62 is unsigned
18:17:21  <Yexo> which means you can't check tiles north-east / north-west of the industry location
18:24:22  <andythenorth> :(
18:38:07  <andythenorth> Yexo: that's sad news :(
18:38:40  <andythenorth> var 60 is signed
18:38:49  <andythenorth> I guess it might be done with cb2f in that case
18:38:55  <andythenorth> using the north tile only still
18:39:23  <Yexo> that would be possible
18:40:32  <Yexo> however in that case you don't display a nice error message in case of failure
18:40:53  <Yexo> oh, I should read the whole text, you can
18:41:44  <andythenorth> it's not needed
18:41:53  <andythenorth> in FIRS I allow players to build stuff anywhere they like
18:43:21  <Yexo> ok
19:10:59  <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 1925:118f9c7faf55: Change: improve Petrol Pump appearanc... (andythenorth) @
19:45:03  <Brot6> #openttdcoop Client Patch Pack - Revision 32:7a2d897639fd: Feature: support for mq (Ammler) @
19:45:03  <Brot6> #openttdcoop Client Patch Pack - Revision 33:3cc013b97f2c: Rename to my own conventions ;-) (Ammler) @
19:45:03  <Brot6> #openttdcoop Client Patch Pack - Revision 34:36680ef6c282: Fix: mq tags can be unordered (Ammler) @
19:45:05  <Brot6> #openttdcoop Client Patch Pack - Revision 35:45288457b663: Update svnVersionForMP.diff for the mq... (Ammler) @
19:45:09  <Brot6> #openttdcoop Client Patch Pack - Revision 36:6c8d242ea73c: Merge from 1.1 (MQ support for findver... (Ammler) @
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19:59:08  <Ammler> shall I post the MQ support patch on FS?
20:00:20  <Ammler> since we added tag support, it might be helpful
20:06:49  <Brot6> clientpatches: update from r to r22317 done (39 errors) -
20:07:37  <Ammler> mäh
20:29:22  <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 1926:7d5cd309bcb3: Change: one more set of improvements ... (andythenorth) @
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20:50:00  <andythenorth> bed time?
20:56:59  <Ammler> not yet
21:12:19  <andythenorth> Ammler: did anyone discuss using some of swedish houses for some of opengfx arctic?
21:13:59  <Ammler> yes, he did some houses already for ogfx
21:14:56  <Ammler> and again, I would like to have houses from him, but not such which are in the set already :-)
21:15:56  <Ammler> afaik, sehouses does have a switch to disable default
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21:23:59  <Ammler> orudge: seems to support the bad behavior of SAC and they moved my comment to trash :-)
21:24:54  <Ammler> well, I don't care about my comment, just sad, that the moderators support using graphics wi
21:25:14  <Ammler> hout permissions, also I didn't mention anything about copyright, just credits
21:25:52  <Ammler> s/without permisssion/wihtout credits/
21:30:07  <orudge> Ammler: well, no, I do agree that people should be credited
21:30:15  <orudge> I'm not sure about any comment that was or wasn't moved
21:30:16  <orudge> I've not seen that
21:30:37  <orudge> I object to SAC sticking things behind a "paywall" and linking to that on the forums, really
21:30:42  <orudge> either post them on the forums, or don't mention them at all
21:30:43  <orudge> but anyway
21:30:44  <orudge> brb
21:32:13  <Ammler> ah, it was Hyrunimus, sorry :-)
21:33:33  <Ammler> also it shows that Purno has no clue either, what GPL means, that might be the reason we had so much work to get him to use GPL ;-)
21:36:59  <Ammler> orudge: maybe you can at least change the topic title
21:37:18  <andythenorth> orudge: it was all very silly
21:37:33  <Ammler> hmm, andythenorth could :-)
21:37:51  <Ammler> your post is inital post, that is quite misleading :-)
21:39:09  <andythenorth> where is the thread now?
21:39:19  <Ammler>
21:39:20  <Webster> Title: Transport Tycoon Forums View topic - Discussion about copyright infringement (at
21:39:32  <Ammler> "Dicussion about missing credits" maybe
21:40:44  <andythenorth> oops
21:40:55  * andythenorth shouldn't read that before going to bed
21:41:14  <andythenorth> orudge: would you be against locking the thread as 'silliness out of hand' ?
21:44:16  <Ammler> well, then move out of sight, please don't lock
21:44:45  <Ammler> it is annying to read such things and not be able to answer
21:45:11  <Ammler> if you delete/move it, nobody cares anymore
21:45:19  <andythenorth> I really think SAC has behaved very badly
21:45:45  <Ammler> and worse after you mentioned it
21:46:30  <Ammler> and I don't get why people would miss her graphics, she didn't release something yet
21:47:07  <Ammler> just hot air
21:47:24  <Ammler> (dunno, if you say that in English too) :-)
21:47:30  <andythenorth> indeed we do
21:48:19  <Ammler> ogfx-tress are nicer as the only release from here, which she was forced to :-P
21:52:09  <Ammler> andythenorth: and yes I would remove the topic rather as moving to off-topic, that is real shame
21:53:11  <supermop> maybe take it as a challenge;
21:53:46  <supermop> to supersede a certain artist's graphics, with better ones that are actually released
21:54:11  <Ammler> already accomplished
21:54:18  <supermop> yep
21:54:20  <Ammler> [23:48] <Ammler> ogfx-tress are nicer as the only release from here, which she was forced to
21:55:01  <supermop> i thought some dude with a deathnote avatar made ogfx trees as an alternative to another tree set
21:55:23  <Ammler> maybe, no idea who
21:55:45  <Ammler> I don't use the graphics so I don't need to know :-P
21:56:21  <Ammler> andythenorth: I assume Hironimus made the move, will you pm him or shall I?
21:56:34  <andythenorth> I'm pm-ing orudge
21:56:40  <supermop> this dude:
21:56:41  <Webster> Title: Transport Tycoon Forums View topic - OpenGFX+ Trees 0.2.2 (at
21:56:43  <andythenorth> I find the thread (a) depressing and (b) unhelpful
21:56:58  <Ammler> it makes you the bad guy :-)
21:57:41  <Ammler> it is out of context, they moved only parts of
21:58:19  <Ammler> but you should send a copy to Hironimus
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22:08:58  <andythenorth> Ammler: I pmed them
22:11:15  <supermop> reaad that as 'pwned' at firt
22:11:21  <supermop> first
22:11:54  <andythenorth> Ammler: I should *not* reply in the thread until orudge has replied, yes / no?
22:11:58  <andythenorth> :|
22:12:27  <Ammler> :-)
22:12:56  <andythenorth> I find the whole thing depressing
22:13:09  <Ammler> then you can write that
22:13:12  <orudge> Ammler: what exactly was this you posted that got binned? Because according to the moderator logs, nothing has been binned
22:13:18  <orudge> and there is nothing in our spam forum
22:13:24  <Ammler> and also mention that you have pmed orude about removing
22:13:35  <orudge> are you sure it was not moved from one topic to the other, perhaps?
22:13:52  <Ammler> orudge: I consider moving my post to that off-topic thread as trashing
22:14:02  <orudge> erm, how?
22:14:40  <orudge> anyway
22:14:43  <Ammler> orudge: trashing is fine, I just don't like he kept the private screenshot thread
22:14:53  <orudge> well
22:14:56  <orudge> I'll look at everything tomorrow and see what's what
22:15:01  <orudge> I'm too tired at the moment
22:15:01  <Ammler> and that the whole people support sac
22:15:24  <andythenorth> orudge: thanks
22:16:00  <Ammler> andythenorth: doesn't believe me, but it is because she is a she :-)
22:16:13  <andythenorth> I doubt it
22:16:20  <andythenorth> I think it's just a drama
22:16:23  <orudge> Some forum users are like that, alas
22:16:31  <orudge> ie, they see a girl and go all silly
22:16:46  <orudge> anyway, I dislike the password-protected album thing, as I have said before
22:16:50  <orudge> I'll look again tomorrow though
22:17:16  <andythenorth> I won't be posting in the thread until further notice
22:17:20  <Ammler> mainly there is no copyright infringement, just missing credits, that's all initially
22:17:35  <andythenorth> missing credits, and an immature attitude towards such
22:17:42  <andythenorth> followed by rapid descent into hysteria
22:17:47  <Ammler> and the bad behavior of her afterwards
22:17:49  <Ammler> yes
22:18:09  <andythenorth> for the record, I dislike being referred to as "some 'atn'"
22:18:19  <Ammler> she could have just said sorry and all would have been good
22:18:47  * orudge off to bed now, anyway
22:18:48  <orudge> night chaps
22:18:52  <Ammler> nightly
22:18:58  <andythenorth> bye orudge
22:19:16  <andythenorth> so hard not to post...
22:19:48  <Ammler> :-D
22:19:52  <Ammler> sorry
22:19:59  <andythenorth> it's not just my work, it's Dante, mph, zephyris, and people I can't even identify who drew for ISR
22:20:27  <andythenorth> it's not me throwing my toys out of the pram, it's a lot of people who gave their work freely on a certain basis
22:20:39  <andythenorth> something 'free' can still be stolen
22:20:52  <Ammler> yes, and credits is all you get
22:21:06  <andythenorth> I feel bad that they give me their work, and then others just free-ride on it
22:22:06  <Ammler> well, at least the license you use does protect that, at least you have thw law in your back ;-)
22:24:07  <Ammler> and sorry, but moving the posts to off-topic is trashing it
22:24:16  <Ammler> but in a bad way
22:34:18  <andythenorth> Ammler: it makes me want to throw my toys out of the pram
22:34:37  <andythenorth> in respect of withdrawing all coop GPL-ed sets from the community
22:34:44  <andythenorth> which would be stupid
22:34:53  <Yexo> and which you can't really do
22:34:55  <andythenorth> and way too dramatic
22:34:57  <Yexo> since once gpl = gpl forever
22:35:08  <andythenorth> could pull them all from forums :P
22:35:12  <andythenorth> forum-fork!
22:35:15  <andythenorth> dumb
22:35:20  <Yexo> yes, but everyone having a local copy would be allowed to upload them again
22:35:32  <andythenorth> internet dramas get under my skin, I hate them :(
22:35:37  <Yexo> me too
22:35:39  <andythenorth> it's like an itch to scratch
22:35:50  <Yexo> I'm trying to stay out of that discussion as it's not getting anywhere
22:35:58  <andythenorth> I want it locked
22:36:07  <Yexo> that's not going to solve anything either
22:36:12  <andythenorth> nothing will solve it
22:36:20  <andythenorth> it's insoluble
22:36:33  <andythenorth> unless I pm SAC...
22:36:37  <andythenorth> hmm
22:36:42  <andythenorth> Winston Churchill time
22:36:51  <andythenorth> (1) write down all your problems
22:37:03  <andythenorth> (2) classify them as solvable or unsolvable
22:37:10  <andythenorth> (3) write down solutions for the solvable
22:37:15  <andythenorth> (4) go back to bed
22:37:37  <Yexo> and there I was expecting (4) to be "solve those solvable problems" :p
22:38:03  <andythenorth> that happens in the morning ;)
22:38:33  <andythenorth> this approach is also how I find enjoyment in nfo :)
22:42:14  <Ammler> (5)solve the unsolveable
22:43:04  <andythenorth> ho
22:43:06  <andythenorth> maybe
22:43:10  <andythenorth> I should go to sleep
22:43:12  <andythenorth> good night
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22:45:58  <andythenorth> Ammler: apart from being harsh where I could have been kind, am I wrong about this sprite drama?
22:47:23  <andythenorth> ach
22:47:25  <andythenorth> nvm
22:47:31  <andythenorth> sleep time
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22:51:56  <Ammler> :-)

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