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Log for #openttdcoop.devzone on 19th April 2011:
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10:45:22  <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Bug #2539: Recyclables cargo appears as regearing with NARS2 (andythenorth) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/2539#change-6558
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12:32:08  <dihedral> Ammler, https://pub.dihedral.de/ :-)
12:32:11  <dihedral> *.dihedral.de
12:34:45  <Ammler> you should sponsor such a cert to openttd :-P
12:35:26  <dihedral> they did an identify check, and i can get as many as i like for my domains :-)
12:35:35  <dihedral> identifying myself was like 35 eur
12:36:56  <Ammler> oh
12:37:03  <Ammler> define "my domains"
12:37:47  <Ammler> how was the identify check made?
12:39:32  <dihedral> then send a mail to postmaster@<domain> with a code, which you enter ;-)
12:39:45  <dihedral> whenever you want to add a domain
12:42:08  <Ammler> ok, so I give you access to postmaster@openttdcoop.org and you could give us a wildcard cert?
12:42:23  <Ammler> without additional costs for you?
12:43:47  <dihedral> yarp
12:43:57  <Ammler> would you? :-P
12:44:20  <dihedral> have a look at my cert ;-) and tell me if you want my name in there ^^
12:45:21  <dihedral> oh - and the certs are valid for 2 years :-)
12:45:25  <Ammler> hmm, the question is rather, would _you_ like your name in our cert :-)
12:45:48  <Ammler> I would for sure not care
12:46:36  <Ammler> and imo same for openttd.org
12:46:51  <Ammler> rather your name in a valid cert than the current cert
12:47:34  <Ammler> is that 35€ a onetime bill or yearly?
12:48:11  <dihedral> you pay 35 eur for the identiry check, then you can get the class2 certs to your liking valid for 2 years
12:48:25  <dihedral> you can get class2 certs for up to 350 days after validation
12:48:26  <Ammler> and you will need to repeat that in 2 years?
12:48:41  <Ammler> ah
12:48:45  <dihedral> yarp
12:50:30  <Ammler> well, I really wonder why startssl is the onlyone doing this, the free start certs seems to be a good advertisement
12:51:10  <Ammler> I also wonder, why mozilla accepts those certs rather than the ones from cert.org
12:51:21  <dihedral> i think 35 eur for a single 2 year wildcard is very cheap - let alone the fact that you can get as many certs you'd like
12:51:30  <Ammler> there you need persoanl validation to get a cert
12:52:13  <dihedral> startssl called me on my mobile phone
12:52:32  <Ammler> ah ok, human?
12:52:37  <dihedral> yarp
12:53:17  <Ammler> and your mobile phone is in a public directory?
12:53:33  <Ammler> hmm, maybe also the credit card
12:55:36  <dihedral> no, i sent them a phone bill of mine - a recent one
12:55:53  <dihedral> + a photo taken with my mobile of my ID and Drivers Lisense
12:56:28  <Ammler> sounds quite valid
12:58:10  <Ammler> does a wildcard cert make the other certs of that domain invalid?
12:58:47  <dihedral> no
12:59:01  <dihedral> i could still have foo.bar.dihedral.de which is not covered by a wildcard cert
12:59:11  <dihedral> or use bar.dihedral.de on another server
12:59:42  <Ammler> you can have bar.dihedral.de with its own cert?
12:59:49  <Ammler> (no wildcard)
13:02:40  <dihedral> yep, why not?
13:04:22  <dihedral> whis whole thing might be interesting for openttd as their cert expires in 2.5 weeks anyway
13:05:59  <Ammler> you should offer it to Rubidium/Truebrain, if you don't care about your name in the cert
13:07:07  <Ammler> it is for sure more trust as the current cert
13:07:18  <dihedral> i'd happily pay them 35 eur to make their own cert ;-)
13:07:31  <Ammler> well, then there is still a name missing
13:07:47  <Ammler> I assume, it needs to be a private person?
13:07:56  <dihedral> i am not even close to the dev team in that way ;-)
13:08:05  <Ammler> does that really matter?
13:08:22  <Ammler> you think, someone could blame you for something?
13:08:25  <Ammler> hmm,
13:08:34  <Ammler> there is also assurance behind it
13:08:45  <Ammler> or isn't?
13:10:03  <Ammler> I am not sure, if investing 35€ in a cert is right done for a community project
13:13:58  <Ammler> dihedral: does organisation validation cost again?
13:14:27  <dihedral> openttd is not an organization ;-)
13:14:36  <dihedral> even if it's .org ^^
13:14:48  <dihedral> but i think the organization validation is a different matter, yes
13:14:53  <Ammler> openttdcoop is
13:14:57  <dihedral> none the less, one of the devs can easily take the role
13:14:59  <Ammler> yes, doe
13:18:54  <Ammler> well, it is more work to make one cert per domain but it works too :-)
13:19:46  <dihedral> i can add multiple host entries ;-)
13:20:05  <dihedral> i.e. i could have made a wildcard cert for all domains i have registered there :-D
13:20:23  <Ammler> yes, do not forget to add domain.com as alternative name
13:20:33  <dihedral> it does that automatically
13:20:34  <Ammler> as domain.com is not part of *.domain.com
13:20:48  <dihedral> but i can do *.domain1.com *.domain2.com ...
13:22:23  <Ammler> on the other side, openttd has just one ssl host
13:22:36  <Ammler> so they would not even need wildcard cert
13:26:34  <dihedral> yet why they only use one ssl host, i do not know
13:27:27  <Ammler> Truebrain has silly ideas about such things
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14:55:51  <Brot6> CHIPS Station Set - Bug #2543 (New): Non-track tiles show catenary (andythenorth) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/2543
14:59:28  <Ammler> why is that a bug?
14:59:54  <Ammler> I am sure, it doesn't if you build the station for non erail tracks
15:02:21  <Brot6> CHIPS Station Set - Bug #2543: Non-track tiles show catenary (Ammler) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/2543#change-6559
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15:06:05  <Brot6> CHIPS Station Set - Bug #2543: Non-track tiles show catenary (Hirundo) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/2543#change-6560
15:06:21  <Hirundo> Ammler: it's possible to disable catenary, so why not do that?
15:07:04  <Ammler> Hirundo: then how to build non track tiles _with_ catenary?
15:07:41  <Hirundo> why would you have catenary over an empty tile?
15:07:57  <Ammler> a wire from one track part to an other?
15:08:14  <Ammler> buffers?
15:08:41  <Ammler> is really behind every wire also tracks?
15:08:46  <Ammler> below*
15:08:59  <Ammler> doesn't sound right for me :-)
15:09:17  <Hirundo> ISR does it the same way, IIRC
15:09:38  <Hirundo> Also, I tend to forget switching back to erail after building normal rail
15:09:45  <Ammler> comparing with other sets is not needed, is it? :-P
15:09:53  <Hirundo> so you build the wrong stuff and trains get lost
15:10:40  <Ammler> I am quite sure, you will disable it, I just wanted to state another view ;-)
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15:10:45  <Hirundo> Given enough magic code, it might be possible to show catenary over e.g. buffer tiles with tracks on both sides
15:11:55  <Ammler> someone can imagine the wire below pavement there
15:23:03  <Yexo> Ammler: chips has no non-track buffer tiles
15:23:22  <Yexo> and catenary above (or more likely through) a crane looks silly
15:29:02  <Brot6> CHIPS Station Set - Bug #2543 (Closed): Non-track tiles show catenary (andythenorth) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/2543
15:29:02  <Brot6> CHIPS Station Set - Revision 134:ccf9d58996d5: Fix #2543: don't show catenary on non-track tiles (yexo) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/chips/repository/revisions/ccf9d58996d5
15:29:02  <Brot6> CHIPS Station Set - Bug #2543 (Closed): Non-track tiles show catenary (yexo) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/2543#change-6561
15:34:22  <Ammler> Yexo: indeed :-)
16:44:48  <Brot6> NewGRF Meta Language - Feature #984: regression test (Ammler) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/984#change-6562
16:45:53  <Ammler> yexo, does setup.py also allow to build a debian source package?
16:49:42  <Brot6> NewGRF Meta Language - Feature #2544 (New): rpm (Ammler) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/2544
16:52:00  <Brot6> 2cc train set - Feature #2545 (New): Pax/mail wagons (Voyager1) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/2545
17:17:45  <Brot6> chips: update from r133 to r134 done (1 errors) - http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/chips/nightlies/r134
17:18:44  <Brot6> firs: update from r1971 to r1972 done - http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/firs/nightlies/r1972
17:19:05  <Brot6> ogfx-industries: update from r14 to r15 done - http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/ogfx-industries/nightlies/r15
17:19:12  <Brot6> Following repos didn't need a nightlies update: 2cctrainset (r750), 32bpp-extra (r39), ai-admiralai (r75), ai-aroai (r32), ailib-common (r21), ailib-direction (r17), ailib-list (r32), ailib-string (r29), ailib-tile (r16), airportsplus (r73), basecosts (r25), belarusiantowns (r8), bros (r52), comic-houses (r71), fish (r617), frenchtowns (r6), german-townnames (r30), grfcodec (r828), heqs (r604), indonesiantowns (r41), manindu (r7),
17:19:12  <Brot6> metrotrackset (r56), narvs (r37), newgrf_makefile (r266), nml (r1313), nutracks (r185), ogfx-landscape (r59), ogfx-rv (r80), ogfx-trains (r237), ogfx-trees (r42), opengfx (r638), openmsx (r97), opensfx (r97), smts (r19), snowlinemod (r49), spanishtowns (r10), swedishrails (r198), swisstowns (r22), transrapidtrackset (r15), ttdviewer (r26), ttrs (r36), worldairlinersset (r671)
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17:47:11  <Ammler> does someone use Mandriva or know someone who does?
18:16:04  <Rubidium> what's wrong with cacert? It works fine with any proper browser ;)
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18:30:55  <andythenorth> Yexo: any thoughts on this?
18:30:55  <andythenorth> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=942418#p942418
18:30:56  <Webster> Title: Transport Tycoon Forums View topic - CHIPS Station Set - 0.4 released 7th April (at www.tt-forums.net)
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21:18:41  <planetmaker> http://devs.openttd.org/~planetmaker/patches/oil_wells.diff <-- Terkhen
21:18:53  <planetmaker> did I say 'good evening' already? :-)
21:19:16  <Terkhen> hi planetmaker :)
21:19:42  <Terkhen> why does it need so many animation frames? IIRC the animation had only 4 stages
21:20:07  <planetmaker> back and forth. and that twice, once for looping and one for just finishing it
21:20:20  <planetmaker> the 0-10 is from you ;-)
21:20:24  <planetmaker> 1...10
21:20:42  <Terkhen> oh, true :)
21:24:32  <Terkhen> hmm... I don't get the animation frame number magic :P
21:25:27  <planetmaker> Terkhen: simple: 1...10 will loop with a 50:50 chance to stop the loop (and continue to the "stop frame" 11.
21:26:03  <planetmaker> 11...20 are all the same frames which are jumped to when the trigger indicates to stop the animation. Then animation_frame = animation_frame + 10. And 20 --> 11 = stop
21:26:31  <planetmaker> I guess I should document that :-)
21:27:04  <Terkhen> hmm... now it makes sense, but yes, comments would be welcome :)
21:29:50  <Terkhen> so... release? :)
21:31:25  <planetmaker> I don't mind. Though one could also add a snow-aware iron ore mine before using the graphics I already have.
21:31:47  <planetmaker> But that could as well go into a future version
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21:33:41  <planetmaker> hm... construction stages are missing
21:33:43  <Terkhen> I don't have further ideas for the short term; I would like to finish the customizable chains but factory/food require a brainpower that I'm not willing to spend until summer
21:34:01  <Terkhen> from the oil wells? I tested them even before testing animations IIRC
21:34:11  <planetmaker> yes. And I cut it out :-P
21:34:20  <planetmaker> it was confusing me back then
21:34:44  <planetmaker> I'll just add it again
21:34:57  <Terkhen> ok :)
21:42:43  <planetmaker> pushed
21:43:10  <Brot6> OpenGFX+ Industries - Revision 16:912a3936f530: Add #698: Snow-aware oil wells (based on patch by... (planetmaker) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/ogfx-industries/repository/revisions/912a3936f530
21:43:10  <Brot6> OpenGFX+ Industries - Feature #698: snowy sprites for oil wells missing (planetmaker) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/698#change-6563
21:43:20  <planetmaker> I'm quite tired, but if you want to prepare the release, by all means, please go ahead :-)
21:43:40  <Terkhen> I had a long day too, I'll be going to the bed in short time :)
21:43:42  <planetmaker> I'd not trust myself right now enough :-)
21:43:50  <planetmaker> hehe, same here
21:44:32  <planetmaker> indeed I saw you awake at... < 7am. Which is... not nice usually to have to be awake ;-)
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21:45:00  <planetmaker> well, let's release that tomorrow then or so :-)
21:45:07  <Terkhen> ok :)

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