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09:16:44 *** andythenorth has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 09:36:27 *** andythenorth has quit IRC 11:24:11 *** LordAro has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 11:33:47 <Brot6> Dutch Trains 2.0 - Feature #3402: Class 66 (Voyager1) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/3402#change-8909 12:42:59 *** andythenorth has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 12:43:12 <planetmaker> hello andythenorth 12:43:21 <andythenorth> morning 12:43:22 <andythenorth> ish 12:43:35 <planetmaker> I'm currently pondering the merge of firs trunk to the 0.7 branch 12:43:49 <planetmaker> looking at all commits since the branch 12:44:02 <planetmaker> I stumbled (again) over the new cargo label for scrap metal 12:44:03 <andythenorth> I can't recall any reason not to 12:44:07 <andythenorth> yeah that 12:44:08 <andythenorth> :P 12:44:37 <andythenorth> please don't make me repeat the pain of discussing that specific label :( 12:44:41 <planetmaker> I wonder whether it should not get a new label - but keep the new classes. Though... there's no class 11 in the wiki yet either 12:44:59 <andythenorth> we have to change the label, it was told to me on irc by several people 12:45:02 <planetmaker> well... I know the reason to change classes. That's not what I want to discuss 12:45:24 <planetmaker> yes... but with the new carge refit properties? 12:45:53 <andythenorth> maybe that changes the situation 12:46:19 <planetmaker> that's what I wonder. I honestly am not sure 12:46:21 <andythenorth> I was told to change the label because I'd changed the classes, which can break sets that rely on the XOR masks 12:46:34 <planetmaker> yes, that's true, definitely 12:46:37 <andythenorth> despite that I was just making FIRS compliant with what the newgrf wiki told 12:46:42 <planetmaker> so far probably all sets rely on it 12:46:43 <andythenorth> (and what I thought the classes should be) 12:47:06 <andythenorth> it seems insane to me: I fix a 'bug' (making code comply with public docs in the wiki), but have to change the label 12:47:19 <andythenorth> however that's what resulted in new props :) 12:47:26 <planetmaker> :-) 12:47:33 <planetmaker> quite. And that's good imho 12:47:39 <planetmaker> very good 12:47:43 <planetmaker> makes classes useful again 12:47:49 <planetmaker> or better to handle 12:48:32 <planetmaker> the other thing I wondered, closely related: is the introduction of the neo-bulk class 12:49:16 <planetmaker> it defines a bit within the grf itself. But that's problematic, if it is not common standard. Should we just do that nevertheless...? Already? 12:49:57 <planetmaker> or change that according to Eddi's suggestion (where was it?) 12:55:50 <andythenorth> planetmaker: we should change everything to conform to Eddi's spec 12:56:07 <andythenorth> neo-bulk is unneeded, but introducing it forced some issues to get resolved ;) 12:57:59 <planetmaker> well... I could just edit the NewGRF wiki to add eddi's class expansion as "official" ;-) 12:58:06 <planetmaker> I'd dare to :-P 13:02:58 <andythenorth> you should 13:03:08 <andythenorth> it's been a long time now since discussion 13:05:37 <planetmaker> ok. I shall look into that then before I release anything :-) 13:06:30 <Brot6> OpenGFX - Revision 877:4f77f1396792: Fix: wrong c&p caused building of releases to fail (Ammler) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/opengfx/repository/revisions/4f77f1396792 13:06:31 <andythenorth> YACS 13:06:38 <andythenorth> Yet Another Cargo Schema 13:06:56 <Brot6> BANDIT - Bug #3405 (Closed): Can't create articulated RV with more than 1 trailer (andythenorth) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/3405 13:06:56 <Brot6> BANDIT - Bug #3405 (Closed): Can't create articulated RV with more than 1 trailer (andythenorth) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/3405#change-8910 13:07:00 <planetmaker> thanks, Ammler :-) 13:07:02 <andythenorth> I tried to persuade eddi to be the dictator of YACS, but he seems reluctant 13:07:38 <planetmaker> yes. I'm happy to take the heat of you-know-who :-P 13:07:43 <andythenorth> because the technical spec allows for flexibility, the actual spec of a cargo compatibility scheme needs looking after by someone 13:08:14 <andythenorth> I think MB is actually actually more realistic about it than we give him credit for 13:08:24 <Ammler> planetmaker: I let you do the merge, as I have no clue how you manage that 13:08:43 <planetmaker> ok 13:08:49 <andythenorth> I just think we should declare a named schema, that isn't ECS (as that has two problems), and then sets are either YACS compliant, or 'some other thing compliant' 13:08:57 <Rubidium> planetmaker: I guess http://rbijker.net/openttd/ogfx.diff is needed then, right? ;) 13:08:58 <planetmaker> you could simply commit it to both branches, though ;-) 13:09:08 <andythenorth> and then we can mark some classes as not YACS compliant (e.g. oversized, hazardous) 13:09:15 <Ammler> but it is kind of useless branch yet 13:09:32 <planetmaker> Rubidium: for OpenTTD 1.3.x, yes 13:10:08 <Ammler> you could also simply start the branch, when you start working on incompatible things 13:10:29 <planetmaker> hm... well. no, right. OpenTTD 1.2.0 will work with all OpenGFX. Sorry 13:10:52 <planetmaker> Rubidium: and what would older installers do? 13:10:59 <planetmaker> get an imcompatible OpenGFX? 13:11:15 <Rubidium> they get an older version 13:11:21 <Rubidium> e.g. 0.4.0 instead of 0.5.0 13:11:40 <planetmaker> how do they know? 13:12:08 <Rubidium> they're asking for opengfx-0.7.0.7z instead of opengfx-1.2.0.7z 13:12:26 <planetmaker> ah. that's how it works. Yes 13:12:36 <Rubidium> which are symlinks to versions that are supposed to support that version of OpenTTD 13:12:37 <planetmaker> Then I guess it can be committed now 13:19:53 <andythenorth> planetmaker: anything I can help with for FIRS release? 13:20:40 <planetmaker> changelog maybe? 13:20:51 <planetmaker> or checking the readme? 13:21:06 <planetmaker> I haven't yet done either, tbh 13:21:24 <planetmaker> but... I'll also be happy, if you just draw nice stuff for the next release ;-) 13:24:04 <andythenorth> http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/firs/issues?fixed_version_id=187&set_filter=1&status_id=o 13:26:28 * Rubidium thinks andythenorth might be able to fix #3021 ;) 13:26:28 <Brot6> Rubidium: #3021 is http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/show/3021 "FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Bug #3021: German translation - #openttdcoop Development Zone" 13:28:05 <Brot6> OpenGFX - Revision 878:5a494d2e2d48: Backport: r877:4f77f1396792 (planetmaker) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/opengfx/repository/revisions/5a494d2e2d48 13:28:33 <planetmaker> lol @ Rubidium :-) 13:28:55 <Brot6> OpenGFX - Bug #3396 (Closed): DevZone compile failed (compiler) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/3396 13:28:55 <Brot6> OpenGFX - Bug #3396 (Closed): DevZone compile failed (planetmaker) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/3396#change-8911 13:29:38 <Brot6> OpenGFX - Bug #3406 (New): change grf version to v8 (planetmaker) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/3406 13:30:10 <Brot6> OpenGFX - Feature #3407 (New): change palette to DOS (planetmaker) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/3407 13:32:28 <Brot6> OpenGFX - Code Review #3408 (New): remove deprecated stuff (planetmaker) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/3408 13:35:52 <andythenorth> planetmaker: do you want to merge the branches before I commit anything further? 13:41:21 <Brot6> OpenGFX - Revision 879:860156bc677e: Change #3408: No minimum version check required for canal water (planetmaker) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/opengfx/repository/revisions/860156bc677e 13:41:21 <Brot6> OpenGFX - Revision 880:66fcba44f2d9: Change #3408: No minimum version check required for river wa... (planetmaker) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/opengfx/repository/revisions/66fcba44f2d9 13:41:21 <Brot6> OpenGFX - Revision 881:39670c29de93: Codechange #3408: Rename a few identifiers as there's no new... (planetmaker) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/opengfx/repository/revisions/39670c29de93 13:44:01 <Rubidium> planetmaker: you ought to change the initial version check ;) 13:44:24 <planetmaker> I should change much more, yes :-) 13:44:40 <Rubidium> yeah, but before you remove the other version checks 13:45:05 <planetmaker> quite true 13:46:25 <planetmaker> good point :-) 13:49:59 <Brot6> BANDIT - Revision 45:fd81504f2f10: Codechange: use built-ins for length, not ints (andythenorth) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/bandit/repository/revisions/fd81504f2f10 13:50:19 <planetmaker> there it goes :-) 13:50:29 <planetmaker> and silently ttdp compatibility gone, too ;-) 13:50:55 <Brot6> OpenGFX - Revision 882:4a4caf8222b8: Change #3408: Update initial version check to require OpenTT... (planetmaker) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/opengfx/repository/revisions/4a4caf8222b8 13:53:24 <Ammler> planetmaker: then it might be good idea to remove the building and publishing of it 13:53:45 <planetmaker> yes 13:53:53 <planetmaker> one step at a time 13:54:01 <planetmaker> help is welcome, though :-) 13:55:52 <planetmaker> I hope / assume you agree that those bundles are meanwhile only work and no gain, right? 13:56:08 <Brot6> OpenGFX - Revision 883:4e30674f11d0: Change #3408: Remove deprecated engine overrides (planetmaker) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/opengfx/repository/revisions/4e30674f11d0 13:57:05 <Ammler> well, right now, removing is work :-P 13:57:27 <planetmaker> :-P 13:57:32 <planetmaker> but grf v8 is not supported there 13:57:46 <planetmaker> and nml 0.3 will produce that - something you approve of, right? :-) 13:58:04 <planetmaker> thus I'm in the process of giving you your Christmas present ;-) 14:00:29 <Brot6> OpenGFX - Revision 884:2708054aaaa7: Change: stop building and publishing ttdp bundles (grf v8) (Ammler) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/opengfx/repository/revisions/2708054aaaa7 14:04:41 <Ammler> planetmaker: what I last working version the 0.4 branch? 14:04:48 <Ammler> is* 14:05:07 <Ammler> I would like to make a "final" post on the ogfx patch thread 14:05:08 <planetmaker> for ttdp and old openttd? yes 14:05:16 <planetmaker> ogfx patch thread? 14:05:25 <Ammler> ogfx for ttdpatch thread 14:05:33 <planetmaker> yes. There'll be some future 0.4.x releases next year 14:05:48 <Ammler> those will still be v7, right? 14:05:50 <planetmaker> yes 14:06:01 <planetmaker> it will really be discontinued 2013 or so 14:06:18 <Ammler> yeah, well, 0.4 branch does still build those 14:08:31 <Brot6> OpenGFX - Revision 885:e3fbf9be59f5: Change #3408: Don't build bundles which won't work anyway (planetmaker) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/opengfx/repository/revisions/e3fbf9be59f5 14:08:50 <planetmaker> oh 14:16:44 <planetmaker> there. merge nicely hidden :-P 14:17:16 <Brot6> OpenGFX - Revision 886:9ff852b89d61: Change #3408: Don't check for platform for newer action5 types (planetmaker) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/opengfx/repository/revisions/9ff852b89d61 14:20:38 <Brot6> Dutch Tram Set - Feature #2921: Connexxion 5001 graphics (foobar) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/2921#change-8913 14:23:12 *** Leroot has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 14:25:40 <Brot6> OpenGFX - Revision 887:0c0dfbe12d33: Cleanup #3408: Snowy temperate trees are not supported by Op... (planetmaker) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/opengfx/repository/revisions/0c0dfbe12d33 14:29:46 <planetmaker> Ammler: the 'requires' file in OpenGFX: can it also differ for nightly and releases? 14:30:02 <planetmaker> Can I just create such file in the nightlies and releases folder and have them differently? 14:32:39 <Ammler> do it like with files 14:33:02 <Ammler> keep one in .build an the other in nightlies 14:34:00 <Ammler> but why you need to differ? 14:34:37 <Ammler> 0.4 branch will not use those 14:36:28 <Leroot> Are autosaves created when running from an emergency save also considered emergency saves? I fixed a crash bug, but if it crashes for another reason down the line, I'd rather it not tell me "this is a crash save so i'm not going to generate a new one" =) 14:38:59 <Brot6> OpenGFX - Revision 888:3477d97b2d22: Cleanup #3408: OpenTTD does not support action5, feature 0x0... (planetmaker) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/opengfx/repository/revisions/3477d97b2d22 14:39:38 <planetmaker> Ammler: the difference is that OpenGFX nightly can now again require nml default branch (nightlies). While OpenGFX releases want to require nml 0.2 branch 14:40:15 <planetmaker> but... true actually. Why should I differ... I just remove the 'releases' in the default branch and will keep it in the 0.4 branch. stupid me :-) 14:40:21 <Ammler> but didn't you create 0.4 branch for that puropose? 14:40:27 <planetmaker> yup :-) 14:40:38 <Ammler> no 14:40:44 <planetmaker> hm? 14:40:48 <Ammler> keep releases, it might be required for 0.5 14:40:59 <planetmaker> what? the 0.2.x branch? No, won't 14:40:59 <Ammler> it does not hurt 14:41:08 <Ammler> hmm 14:41:15 <Ammler> we might talk about different things 14:41:28 <planetmaker> well: OpenGFX 0.4.x will need NML 0.2.x 14:41:37 <Ammler> yes, remove ;releases from default require file 14:41:45 <planetmaker> OpenGFX default branch will need nml nightly 14:42:10 <Ammler> yep 14:42:13 <planetmaker> ok 14:42:15 <planetmaker> thx 14:43:04 <Ammler> I thought, you want to remove the releases "build-branch" from default 14:43:52 <Ammler> but there are no custom things in it anyway 14:43:58 <Ammler> those are in nightlies 14:44:13 <planetmaker> no, I just wanted to do what I just comitted. And wondered if that's sane :-) 14:44:53 <Brot6> OpenGFX - Revision 889:3041c5c7b362: Codechange #3406: Build OpenGFX nightlies with NML nightlies... (planetmaker) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/opengfx/repository/revisions/3041c5c7b362 14:45:19 <Ammler> planetmaker: btw. we should also add arch targets to the binary bundles 14:45:23 <Ammler> like openttd 14:45:36 <Ammler> and then remove -source from source bundles 14:47:38 <Brot6> OpenGFX - Revision 890:2f8da993a3d2: Codechange #3407: Switch to to DOS palette (planetmaker) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/opengfx/repository/revisions/2f8da993a3d2 14:48:15 <Brot6> OpenGFX - Feature #3407 (Closed): change palette to DOS (planetmaker) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/3407 14:48:15 <Brot6> OpenGFX - Feature #3407 (Closed): change palette to DOS (planetmaker) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/3407#change-8914 14:48:46 <planetmaker> That might be a good idea, Ammler 14:49:02 <Brot6> OpenGFX - Bug #3406 (Closed): change grf version to v8 (planetmaker) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/3406#change-8915 14:49:47 <planetmaker> http://www.openttd.org/en/download-trunk <-- though if you look there, the naming of the download file also is ...-source.blub 14:50:00 <Ammler> remove "-source" can be done later, more important is the step to add arch targets to the bundles 14:50:20 <Ammler> planetmaker: yes, as said ^ 14:50:54 <Ammler> I guee, that openttd will fix that issue won't happen ;-) 14:50:56 <planetmaker> well... I'm not entirely sure what you mean exactly. 14:51:27 <Ammler> http://binaries.openttd.org/extra/opengfx/0.4.0/opengfx-0.4.0-all.zip <-- "-all" 14:52:08 <Ammler> <package>-<version>.ext is source bundle 14:52:52 <planetmaker> oh, of opengfx 14:53:29 <Ammler> well, or your framework 14:54:35 <Ammler> it is a general naming issue on our devzone 14:55:16 <planetmaker> I still think that I name the things the same way as openttd distributes its bundles 14:55:17 <Ammler> adding "-source" might not hurt, but using the common source name policy for binaries might be :-) 14:55:38 <Ammler> planetmaker: we don't 14:55:51 <Ammler> openttd adds "-all" or "-any" or whatever 14:56:22 <planetmaker> http://binaries.openttd.org/extra/opengfx/0.4.0/opengfx-0.4.0-source.tar.gz 14:56:34 <planetmaker> sounds pretty much like what we create, no? 14:56:35 <Ammler> that is halfish fine :_) 14:57:07 <Ammler> http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/opengfx/releases/LATEST/opengfx-0.4.0.zip 14:57:18 <Ammler> this isn't a source bundle 14:57:23 <planetmaker> that's the binary, yes 14:57:32 <Ammler> yep, but with name policy for source bundles 14:57:47 <Ammler> openttd calls such file http://binaries.openttd.org/extra/opengfx/0.4.0/opengfx-0.4.0-all.zip 14:57:55 <planetmaker> what would the naming policy for binaries be? 14:58:13 <planetmaker> hm, ah 14:58:18 <Ammler> in this case "-all" 14:58:28 <Ammler> It does not really matter what you add, I guess 14:58:31 <planetmaker> ok, I see what you mean 14:58:34 <Ammler> important is that you add something 14:58:48 <planetmaker> or -noarch 14:58:54 <Ammler> yep 14:59:12 <planetmaker> but let's keep it the same as openttd 14:59:48 <planetmaker> that should then be done for the framework itself 14:59:49 <Ammler> -noarch is just for arch, it does not tell the os behind 15:00:15 <Ammler> so "-all" does not sound that bad 15:01:48 <planetmaker> agreed 15:05:53 <Brot6> NewGRF build framework - Bug #1869 (Closed): naming of bundle files for releases fails (planetmaker) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/1869#change-8916 15:07:24 <Brot6> NewGRF build framework - Bug #1332: Separate names for binary and source distribution (planetmaker) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/1332#change-8917 15:15:12 *** Zuu has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 15:21:46 *** andythenorth has quit IRC 15:24:20 <Brot6> Dutch Tram Set - Revision 88:2155086ba4c7: Feature: Connexxion 5001 graphics by Bastiaan (closes ... (foobar) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/dutchtramset/repository/revisions/2155086ba4c7 15:24:20 <Brot6> Dutch Tram Set - Revision 89:bde2bb27dd8a: Feature: sort the purchase list (closes #2920) (foobar) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/dutchtramset/repository/revisions/bde2bb27dd8a 15:24:20 <Brot6> Dutch Tram Set - Revision 90:824369a9a7a7: Codechange: use spaces instead of tabs for templates.p... (foobar) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/dutchtramset/repository/revisions/824369a9a7a7 15:24:22 <Brot6> Dutch Tram Set - Revision 91:9b4defccf472: Add: some more photoshop tools (foobar) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/dutchtramset/repository/revisions/9b4defccf472 15:24:25 <Brot6> Dutch Tram Set - Feature #2921 (Closed): Connexxion 5001 graphics (foobar) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/2921#change-8918 15:24:28 <Brot6> Dutch Tram Set - Feature #2920 (Closed): Sort vehicle list (foobar) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/2920#change-8919 15:27:00 <Brot6> dutchtramset: compile of r91 still failed (#3355) - http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/dutchtramset/nightlies/ERROR/r91 15:42:23 *** LordAro has quit IRC 15:45:10 <Brot6> Dutch Tram Set - Feature #3409 (New): move to GRFv8 (foobar) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/3409 15:45:26 <planetmaker> :-) 15:47:38 *** LordAro has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 15:49:05 <Brot6> repository /home/hg/gs-tutorial registered in Redmine with url /home/hg/gs-tutorial 15:49:05 <Brot6> repository /home/hg/gs-tutorial created 15:49:52 <planetmaker> \o/ 16:00:19 <planetmaker> 15:36 Leroot: Are autosaves created when running from an emergency save also considered emergency saves? I fixed a crash bug, but if it crashes for another reason down the line, I'd rather it not tell me "this is a crash save so i'm not going to generate a new one" =) <-- did you try? 16:00:46 <planetmaker> normally a crash.sav should start paused, so one could create a save manually 16:17:47 <LordAro> "Error creating thumbnail: sh: /usr/bin/convert: not found" <-- on the wiki 16:18:40 <planetmaker> which wiki? 16:18:50 <LordAro> 'our' wiki ;) 16:18:54 <LordAro> wiki.openttd.org 16:19:21 <planetmaker> in an openttdcoop channel that's not exactly unambigeous 'our' ;-) 16:19:34 <planetmaker> there's also wiki.openttdcoop.org 16:19:41 <planetmaker> and the devzone has wiki pages, too 16:19:58 <LordAro> oh, woops wrong channel :) 16:20:29 <LordAro> shall i repeat it in #openttd so TB sees? 16:20:36 <planetmaker> nor do I see that error message anywhere 16:20:55 <LordAro> http://wiki.openttd.org/Industrial_Buildings_%28New_Graphics%29#Oil_supply 16:22:16 <planetmaker> yes, then tell that TB with that link ;-) 16:22:59 <planetmaker> btw, LordAro: something important is missing: the construction stages tracker 16:23:06 <planetmaker> it needs all sprites... not just finished state 16:23:24 <LordAro> i know, i know 16:23:34 <LordAro> i was just fixing something that was already broken 16:24:20 *** andythenorth has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 16:31:07 <planetmaker> Yexo: I just mailed Zephyris, asking for all his blender files :-) He must have MANY ;-) 16:33:40 <LordAro> indeed 16:42:12 <Yexo> planetmaker: thanks, I hope to get around to do some work on that later this week 16:43:27 <Brot6> BANDIT - Revision 46:79bf3db03608: Change: clean up some more structure and add some test vehicles (andythenorth) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/bandit/repository/revisions/79bf3db03608 16:46:22 <planetmaker> so do I :-) 16:46:51 <planetmaker> but I know already it won't be tomorrow or the day after 16:53:26 <Brot6> Dutch Tram Set - Revision 92:1b084c0623ff: Feature: version check, require OpenTTD 1.0.0 (foobar) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/dutchtramset/repository/revisions/1b084c0623ff 16:53:26 <Brot6> Dutch Tram Set - Revision 93:9de7cf9f4272: Feature: new BRU livery for connexxion 5001 (foobar) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/dutchtramset/repository/revisions/9de7cf9f4272 16:53:26 <Brot6> Dutch Tram Set - Revision 94:b8c2f8ffe41a: Fix (r92): we should actually require 1.2.0.23068 to b... (foobar) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/dutchtramset/repository/revisions/b8c2f8ffe41a 16:55:30 <Brot6> dutchtramset: compile of r94 still failed (#3355) - http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/dutchtramset/nightlies/ERROR/r94 17:02:32 <andythenorth> planetmaker: wrt FIRS changelog - I wrote a changelog for 0.7 beta. I guess it needs updating after we merge 0.7 branch with trunk 17:03:18 <Brot6> Dutch Tram Set - Bug #3411 (New): tractive effort coefficient (foobar) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/3411 17:03:48 <Brot6> Dutch Trains 2.0 - Feature #3412 (New): ACTS 6700 (Voyager1) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/3412 17:05:10 <planetmaker> yes, I guess so, too, andythenorth ;-) 17:25:48 *** JVassie has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 17:29:52 <Brot6> Dutch Tram Set - Bug #3413 (New): cargo capacity in purchase menu (foobar) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/3413 17:42:24 <Brot6> opengfx: update from r875 to r890 done (1 warnings) - http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/opengfx/nightlies/r890 17:43:30 <Brot6> bandit: update from r30 to r46 done - http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/bandit/nightlies/r46 17:53:17 <Brot6> cets: update from r441 to r445 done (217 warnings) - http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/cets/nightlies/r445 17:59:39 <Brot6> OpenGFX+ Airports - Revision 152:7733038cd355: Fix: Runway lights for runway 13 (dnicholls) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/airportsplus/repository/revisions/7733038cd355 18:02:30 <Brot6> nutracks: compile of r210 still failed (#3387) - http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/nutracks/nightlies/ERROR/r210 18:08:36 <Brot6> dutchtramset: compile of r94 still failed (#3355) - http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/dutchtramset/nightlies/ERROR/r94 18:16:29 <Brot6> Dutch Tram Set - Revision 95:fa0ad1866a9d: Codechange: move sprite templates file (foobar) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/dutchtramset/repository/revisions/fa0ad1866a9d 18:16:29 <Brot6> Dutch Tram Set - Revision 96:764bbe6f6f9a: Codechange: use new style callbacks for 'other' vehicl... (foobar) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/dutchtramset/repository/revisions/764bbe6f6f9a 18:16:30 <Brot6> Dutch Tram Set - Revision 97:c6bca571ac28: Fix (r96): also remove callback flags property (foobar) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/dutchtramset/repository/revisions/c6bca571ac28 18:16:32 <Brot6> Dutch Tram Set - Revision 98:d792af9805ec: Codechange: use new style callbacks for GVB vehicles a... (foobar) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/dutchtramset/repository/revisions/d792af9805ec 18:16:35 <Brot6> Dutch Tram Set - Revision 99:003276542fe6: Codechange: use new style callbacks for RET vehicles a... (foobar) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/dutchtramset/repository/revisions/003276542fe6 18:16:39 <Brot6> Dutch Tram Set - Revision 100:33b1262e0021: Codechange: use new style callbacks for HTM vehicles ... (foobar) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/dutchtramset/repository/revisions/33b1262e0021 18:24:22 <Brot6> airportsplus: update from r151 to r152 done - http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/airportsplus/nightlies/r152 18:24:25 <Brot6> Following repos rebuilds successful without any difference to earlier nightlies builds: ogfx-trains, ogfx-industries, firs (24 warnings), foobarstramtracks (Diffsize: 37132), manindu (Diffsize: 2), newgrf_makefile (Diffsize: 12), dutchtrains, rust (Diffsize: 188), ogfx-biggui (Diffsize: 30), swisstowns (Diffsize: 43), dutchroadfurniture (Diffsize: 8632), spanishtowns (Diffsize: 8), frenchtowns (Diffsize: 21), ogfx-rv, ogfx-landscape (2 18:24:25 <Brot6> warnings), swedishrails, german-townnames (Diffsize: 51), dach (Diffsize: 10855), belarusiantowns (Diffsize: 64), indonesiantowns (1 warnings) (Diffsize: 29) 18:25:14 <Brot6> dutchtramset: compile of r100 still failed (#3355) - http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/dutchtramset/nightlies/ERROR/r100 19:03:16 <Brot6> 32bpp-ez-patches: compile of r23674 still failed (#2446) - http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/32bpp-ez-patches/testing/ERROR/r23674 19:11:30 <andythenorth> planetmaker: forwarded you a pm 19:12:02 <planetmaker> aye 19:13:12 <planetmaker> the only cargo I see use for is maybe building materials 19:13:20 <planetmaker> for the FIRS cargos 19:13:25 <planetmaker> but... that feels odd 19:13:28 <andythenorth> yup 19:13:48 <andythenorth> it's valid for building materials though 19:13:56 <andythenorth> where's eddi's list? 19:14:12 <planetmaker> well. For a small minority of building materials imho. But if it makes happy faces. 19:14:14 <planetmaker> Not sure though 19:14:45 <planetmaker> mostly I'd rather add it to grain, if at all 19:16:23 <andythenorth> powder is only supposed to be combined with bulk 19:16:32 <andythenorth> these extra classes are just a mess imho :P 19:16:48 <planetmaker> yes. 19:16:49 <andythenorth> they should be stripped back / ignored, as per pikka suggestion ages ago. 19:17:11 <planetmaker> as said, I don't see any cargo in FIRS which would really fit into that category 19:17:12 <andythenorth> can we persuade eddi to commit his draft? 19:17:20 <andythenorth> so at least all are talking about same uses 19:20:23 <planetmaker> I'll just change that 19:24:22 <planetmaker> what about the 'not pourable'? 19:24:29 <planetmaker> i.e. your 'neo bulk'? 19:25:08 <Brot6> Dutch Tram Set - Revision 101:c3d2193bcea2: fix (r96,r98,r100): remove some more callback flag pr... (foobar) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/dutchtramset/repository/revisions/c3d2193bcea2 19:25:08 <Brot6> Dutch Tram Set - Bug #3355 (Closed): DevZone compile failed (foobar) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/3355#change-8920 19:27:26 <andythenorth> planetmaker: eddi was quite determined to keep that 19:27:41 <planetmaker> then I keep it 19:27:46 <Brot6> dutchtramset: update from r87 to r101 done - http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/dutchtramset/nightlies/r101 19:31:47 <planetmaker> well: just tell then, that you'll support them :-). You will :-P 19:31:56 <planetmaker> not using them is also support ;-) 19:32:15 <planetmaker> but we then should re-visit classes before the 0.7.0 19:32:40 <andythenorth> yup 19:33:52 <andythenorth> planetmaker 01/01/12 release? 19:34:01 <Brot6> Dutch Tram Set - Feature #3409: move to GRFv8 (yexo) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/3409#change-8921 19:34:02 <andythenorth> or 31/12/11 19:34:04 <planetmaker> maybe 19:34:42 <planetmaker> I've a merge of default to 0.7. Maybe I should just commit that. Though I'd like to fix this issue first 19:36:28 <andythenorth> which issue? 19:36:53 <planetmaker> the cargo classes 19:37:04 <planetmaker> we should look which cargos get the new ones 19:37:08 <andythenorth> ok 19:37:09 <planetmaker> esp. neo-bulk might fit 19:37:11 <andythenorth> maybe later today? 19:37:17 <andythenorth> I am bathing the toddler right now 19:37:40 <planetmaker> :-) Maybe, I can't promise. I must pack a bit stuff, I'm away till late 28th 19:38:00 <planetmaker> but I'll be online in any case tonight 19:45:09 <Brot6> Dutch Tram Set - Feature #3409 (Assigned): move to GRFv8 (foobar) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/3409#change-8922 19:53:44 <Brot6> OpenGFX+ Airports - Revision 153:bab450a7f758: Fix: Compatibility with NewGRF v8 / NML 0.3.x: (a)... (dnicholls) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/airportsplus/repository/revisions/bab450a7f758 19:57:24 <planetmaker> hm, that was possibly a broken commit 19:58:42 <Yexo> wouldn't it be better to just copy the groundsprite template from firs/opengfx+industries? 19:58:53 <Yexo> afaik the exact same code can be used, that makes maintenance easier 20:03:21 <planetmaker> yes 20:03:42 <planetmaker> but I think the change of the temp variable might be problematic. Not sure though 20:08:26 <andythenorth> planetmaker: bath done 20:08:28 <andythenorth> MB reply done 20:08:36 <andythenorth> it's either FIRS or BANDIT... 20:08:37 <andythenorth> :) 20:09:06 <planetmaker> :-) 20:14:39 <andythenorth> planetmaker: you want to review all classes? 20:15:06 <planetmaker> we might as well do that, yes 20:15:10 <andythenorth> hmm 20:15:18 <andythenorth> also Eddi's proposal changed Express to Air Freight 20:15:20 <planetmaker> but... might be too much pain, right now 20:15:25 <planetmaker> I didn't keep that name 20:15:25 <andythenorth> that's going to cause argument :o 20:15:40 <planetmaker> I kept 'express' 20:15:42 <planetmaker> or didn't I? 20:15:47 <andythenorth> you didn't :) 20:16:06 <planetmaker> :-O I thought I did 20:16:28 <andythenorth> http://newgrf-specs.tt-wiki.net/wiki/Cargo_redefinitions 20:17:18 <planetmaker> yes, I did. Keep the name but also the (new) definition 20:17:52 <andythenorth> I'm looking at the wrong page 20:17:57 <andythenorth> sorry 20:18:13 <Brot6> OpenGFX+ Airports - Revision 154:9b5ccc61afd1: Fix: Clipping through SW hangar due to undersize b... (dnicholls) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/airportsplus/repository/revisions/9b5ccc61afd1 20:26:49 <andythenorth> planetmaker: we should look at classes - but only if you have time 20:35:35 <Brot6> Dutch Tram Set - Revision 102:962e1cc67cdd: Codechange: use CB_RESULT_NO_MORE_ARTICULATED_PARTS i... (foobar) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/dutchtramset/repository/revisions/962e1cc67cdd 20:35:35 <Brot6> Dutch Tram Set - Revision 103:eede148c57a4: Codechange: require GRFv8 capable OpenTTD (closes #3409) (foobar) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/dutchtramset/repository/revisions/eede148c57a4 20:35:35 <Brot6> Dutch Tram Set - Revision 104:0ff7309b9a35: Docs: move building from source documentation to sepa... 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(foobar) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/dutchtramset/repository/revisions/2c22395ba2df 21:05:52 <Brot6> Dutch Tram Set - Feature #2904 (Closed): Make compatible with RC (foobar) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/2904#change-8926 21:16:13 <Brot6> Dutch Tram Set - Revision 108:f76ac27dab3e: Update: translations (issue #2922) (foobar) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/dutchtramset/repository/revisions/f76ac27dab3e 21:43:20 <Brot6> DACH Trains - Bug #3414 (New): New Vehicles (Yoshi) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/3414 21:43:59 <Brot6> DACH Trains - Feature #3414 (New): New Vehicles (Yoshi) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/3414 22:04:31 <planetmaker> sounds good, andythenorth 22:04:34 <planetmaker> (the pm) 22:05:09 <Brot6> Dutch Tram Set - Revision 109:7f9ab265594a: Feature: ingame link to devzone (foobar) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/dutchtramset/repository/revisions/7f9ab265594a 22:05:09 <Brot6> Dutch Tram Set - Revision 110:66f36d9058e7: Feature: Dutch version of readme (foobar) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/dutchtramset/repository/revisions/66f36d9058e7 22:06:15 <LordAro> where's the sprite-tracker-thing on openttdcoop.org? 22:07:11 <planetmaker> http://mz.openttdcoop.org/opengfx/authors/script.php?feature=objectives 22:07:16 <planetmaker> it's part of opengfx 22:08:10 <LordAro> ty 22:10:27 *** welshdragon has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 22:14:48 <andythenorth> planetmaker: you away the next few days then? 22:16:06 <planetmaker> yes, let's ship it around new year 22:21:08 <andythenorth> k 22:21:11 <andythenorth> only three tickets 22:21:34 <andythenorth> although we should look at #3235 as well 22:21:34 <Brot6> andythenorth: #3235 is http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/show/3235 "FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Feature #3235: Thoughts on classes - #openttdcoop Development Zone" 22:21:57 <andythenorth> I've added it to 0.7.0 milestone 22:22:30 <andythenorth> now 5 tickets :P 22:23:34 <planetmaker> is changing default cargos really a no-go? 22:27:57 <andythenorth> if we use their label, yes we must never do that 22:28:08 <andythenorth> no idea why, other than we must not :) 22:28:29 <planetmaker> it's again the refit thing for vehicles which don't use the new properties 22:28:42 <planetmaker> so yes, we should not 22:43:51 <andythenorth> planetmaker: was there a good reason to think of changing default classes? 22:45:07 <planetmaker> more appropriate according to how they "should be used" 22:45:31 <planetmaker> but other than that: not 22:46:49 <andythenorth> there are some anachronisms iirc 22:46:59 <andythenorth> but we have to live with them, or define our own labels 22:49:27 <planetmaker> yes, agreed 22:49:38 <planetmaker> we should not change them 22:50:08 <planetmaker> I just had to reflect on the issue again :-) 22:50:19 <planetmaker> good that we talked about it. It helped 22:52:17 <andythenorth> sugar cane remains puzzling 22:52:21 <andythenorth> it's uncountable 22:52:24 <andythenorth> but doesn't flow 22:53:15 <andythenorth> so should get bit 12 I guess 22:53:34 <andythenorth> but is also countable when bailed 22:53:43 <andythenorth> so piece, bulk, not pourable 22:55:04 <andythenorth> but setting piece is likely to lead to it travelling by box van 22:55:09 <andythenorth> which is dubious 22:56:16 <andythenorth> it could set also oversized, but that's a thoroughly stupid class 22:57:01 <planetmaker> well. it's classes. Not everything can fit 100% and you can always special-handle it 22:57:08 <planetmaker> adding bit12 to that one makes sense 22:57:22 <andythenorth> I think it's bulk + not pourable 22:57:32 <andythenorth> then set authors that don't want it in hoppers can handle it 22:57:39 <planetmaker> good 22:57:41 <andythenorth> it's arguably not going to work as piece goods 22:57:55 <planetmaker> then we use that. done :-) 22:57:59 <planetmaker> one cargo solved 22:58:24 <andythenorth> for some reason 'bulk + EXCLUDE not pourable' makes total sense for hoppers, but 'piece + EXCLUDE oversized' makes no sense for vans 22:58:34 <andythenorth> dunno why, the logic is identical for both 23:02:21 <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Code Review #3218: sugar cane cargo classes (andythenorth) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/3218#change-8930 23:04:48 <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Feature Request #3415 (New): Consider 'powder' class for BDMT (andythenorth) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/3415 23:29:41 *** andythenorth has quit IRC 23:38:16 *** LordAro has quit IRC