Log for #openttdcoop.devzone on 6th July 2012:
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15:01:32  <Brot6> Central European Train Set - Revision 696:af8c659c1124: Fix: Use separate color ("terra brown") for ... (oberhuemer) @
15:01:32  <Brot6> Central European Train Set - Revision 697:d3ccbf76fcd3: Fix: Misalignment. (oberhuemer) @
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16:29:37  <Brot6> NewGRF build framework - Feature Request #4053 (New): Add support for GNU M4 macro processor (Xotic750) @
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16:55:35  <Terkhen> hi Xotic750
16:55:45  <Xotic750> Hi there
16:56:11  <Terkhen> I never liked much using the C preprocessor in my nml projects, but I don't know a word about M4... any obvious advantages?
16:56:54  <Xotic750> well, I have just redone ogfx-trains in it, and I can say it is fantastic
16:57:17  <Xotic750> so many things I can now template that I couldn't beforew
16:57:39  <Xotic750> and the output it produces is readable, rather than huge long lines
16:58:40  <Xotic750> far better suited to writing NewGRFs compared to cpp
16:59:24  * Hirundo would prefer NML having such features that preprocessor magic is not needed
17:00:39  <Xotic750> of course but I guess NML is likely never to have such features code? :)
17:01:02  <frosch123> Terkhen: m4 is considered the final preprocessor :) it is the most advanced, but the features can also make it quite cryptic
17:01:06  <frosch123> but it all depends on the user
17:01:59  <Terkhen> I would also prefer templating as a native feature in NML, but meanwhile... :)
17:02:40  <Terkhen> nice, I'll check your work in ogfx-trains to get an idea of what it can do then :)
17:02:42  <Xotic750> now, all I need is for planetmaker to give his blessing for an upload :P
17:02:55  <Terkhen> oh, then I'll have to wait for checking it:P
17:03:17  <Terkhen> I don't plan to work much more in ogfx-rv, though, but I'm curious
17:03:28  <Xotic750> you can gladly have a zipped up copy of the pnml files, if you are interested
17:04:09  <Xotic750> I can put a copy on the backup server
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17:06:11  <Terkhen> don't worry, it can wait :)
17:06:48  <Terkhen> as I said, until someone(TM) starts providing sprites for ogfx-rv I won't be working on it
17:06:50  <Terkhen> oh, hi LordAro :P
17:07:23  <Xotic750>
17:07:39  <Terkhen> thanks :)
17:07:40  <Xotic750> well, that's the source, just missing my Makefile changes
17:08:12  <LordAro> hai Terkhen :) (note: wrong(ish) channel :P)
17:18:15  <Brot6> Dutch Trains 2 - Feature #3952: Additional steam engines (Voyager1) @
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17:37:41  <Terkhen> it looks somewhat similar to what cpp can do
17:37:50  <Terkhen> but maybe that's because I'm not used to it :)
17:38:42  <Xotic750> it can do all of what cpp can do and then some :)
17:41:49  <Xotic750> like you don't have the headache of the 2 pass macros, and you can it can do iteration
17:42:24  <Xotic750> the only downside that I have noticed so far though, is the fact that you can't name macro arguments
17:42:45  <Xotic750> and have to use a shell like manner, ,  and so on
17:47:35  <Terkhen> hmm... I see :P
17:47:41  <Terkhen> I'll give it a try somewhen
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19:42:51  <planetmaker> hm, gnu m4...
19:42:55  <planetmaker> hello also
19:43:13  <planetmaker> it's not my project then anymore, I fear
19:43:35  <planetmaker> but might be a good idea nevertheless
19:50:54  <planetmaker> but it might anyway be good to hand it over or so
19:51:08  <planetmaker> eager hands with time at hands are good ;-)
19:51:17  <planetmaker> I hope it stays ogfx+trains, though
19:51:22  <planetmaker> and not yet another trainset
20:30:53  <Terkhen> it should :P
20:34:57  <Terkhen> IMO that's what make it special :P
20:35:44  <planetmaker> yes, I agree there
20:35:58  <planetmaker> But I'm not 100% convinced that xotic shares that view
20:37:22  <planetmaker> i.e. too much realism etc will hurt it IMHO. I already find the articulated tenders... going far
20:37:46  <planetmaker> it it doesn't matter much as it doesn't restrict much in what the players can do
20:59:09  <Brot6> Dutch Track Set - Bug #4013: Warning to load Track Set before Train Sets in OpenTTD < r24272 (Transportman) @
21:11:17  <Brot6> Dutch Track Set - Revision 74:f1368868f353: Doc: Warning to load set before train sets in OpenTTD <r... (Transportman) @
21:11:17  <Brot6> Dutch Track Set - Bug #4013 (Closed): Warning to load Track Set before Train Sets in OpenTTD < r2427... (Transportman) @
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21:14:26  <Brot6> Dutch Track Set - Revision 75:11dfb6682ccf: Update r74: Small rephrasing in the readme (should have ... (Transportman) @
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21:28:20  <Xotic750> Hi, anyone know if setting TRAIN_FLAG_MU on a wagon which will not be used in any livery refit would cause any problem?
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