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Log for #openttdcoop.devzone on 7th October 2012:
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08:35:22  <Brot6> zBaseBuild - Revision 203:b3bffbdd828f: Add: toyland bridges XRubidiumX @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/zbasebuild/repository/revisions/b3bffbdd828f
08:35:22  <Brot6> zBaseBuild - Revision 204:f3e244196778: Add: toyland bus XRubidiumX @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/zbasebuild/repository/revisions/f3e244196778
08:35:22  <Brot6> zBaseBuild - Revision 205:9f5d3f4576ba: Add: toyland airport XRubidiumX @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/zbasebuild/repository/revisions/9f5d3f4576ba
08:35:22  <Brot6> zBaseBuild - Revision 206:12184f24e911: Fix: wrong toyland wagons XRubidiumX @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/zbasebuild/repository/revisions/12184f24e911
08:35:24  <Brot6> zBuild - Revision 60:e6ce25ee1506: Add: toyland bridges and airport XRubidiumX @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/zbuild/repository/revisions/e6ce25ee1506
08:35:27  <Rubidium> ~400 more toyland sprites done
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08:49:49  <andythenorth> maybe Zeph would zBase FIRS? :P
08:50:04  <andythenorth> it looks very stupid currently :P
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08:57:39  <Ammler> zFIRS
08:58:21  <Alberth> zeph looking for a new project? ;)
09:02:16  <Rubidium> he's not done yet
09:07:58  <andythenorth> it's only 40 industries or so
09:32:46  <Brot6> zbuild: update from r59 to r60 done - http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/zbuild/push/r60
09:51:10  <Rubidium> in less than a day zbase's zip grew 25 MiB
10:22:11  <Alberth> gzip -9 reduces the base grf to just 87%, zip is not doing any better probably, and 25M sounds feasible given the amount of changes yesterday
10:27:54  <Ammler> does grfcodec use lzma in the meantime to compress?
10:28:15  <Ammler> (or nmlc)
10:31:31  <Alberth> let's try that one too :)
10:32:35  <Alberth> I don't know what openttd uses to decompress, but I don't remember seeing changes there recently
10:35:53  <Alberth> xz -9 gives 70% as result
10:42:23  <Ammler> how did you test?
10:42:44  <Ammler> just recompress the grf?
10:45:49  <Alberth> yep      xz -9 < orig.grf > newfile,    and then compute newfile-size / orig.grf-size fraction
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10:47:43  <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Bug #4335 (Feedback): new user for backup push XAmmlerX @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/4335
10:47:44  <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Bug #4335 (Feedback): new user for backup push XfoobarX @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/4335#change-11837
10:53:39  <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Bug #4335 (Closed): new user for backup push XAmmlerX @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/4335
10:53:39  <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Bug #4335 (Closed): new user for backup push XAmmlerX @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/4335#change-11839
11:00:28  <Brot6> zBase - Bug #4339 (Closed): NW/SE sloped toyland sprite has wrong pattern on it XzephyrisX @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/4339#change-11841
11:09:07  <Brot6> zBase - Revision 242:9e980a0bfac5: Fix: Merge centre two sprites in toy shop to one (Bug #4321). XzephyrisX @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/zbase/repository/revisions/9e980a0bfac5
11:09:08  <Brot6> zBase - Revision 243:4b5ecbd8e606: Fix: Merge centre two sprites in sweets shop/factory to one (Bug ... XzephyrisX @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/zbase/repository/revisions/4b5ecbd8e606
11:09:08  <Brot6> zBase - Bug #4321 (Closed): toyshop middle sprites should be combined XzephyrisX @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/4321#change-11843
11:09:08  <Brot6> zBase - Bug #4337 (Closed): Sweet shop (sweet factory) middle sprites should be combined XzephyrisX @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/4337#change-11845
11:13:46  <Brot6> zBase - Bug #4347 (New): Fizzy drink factory sprites wrong XAlberthX @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/4347
11:27:26  <Brot6> zBase - Bug #4323: Wrong number of sprites for the toffee quarry XzephyrisX @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/4323#change-11847
11:39:40  <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - snow_needed.png XandythenorthX @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/attachments/download/3267/snow_needed.png
11:42:11  <Brot6> zBase - Revision 244:5da5c2783352: Fix: Alignment of bubble generator rings and funnel (Bug #4331). ... XzephyrisX @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/zbase/repository/revisions/5da5c2783352
11:42:11  <Brot6> zBase - Bug #4331 (Closed): Bubble start positions incorrect XzephyrisX @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/4331#change-11849
11:46:51  <Brot6> zBase - Bug #4100 (Closed): snowy arctic terrain sprites not contiguously decreasing in snowy-ness XzephyrisX @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/4100#change-11851
11:48:05  <Brot6> zBase - Revision 245:487f0930041c: Add: Missing bubbles for toyland (Bug #4329). XzephyrisX @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/zbase/repository/revisions/487f0930041c
11:48:05  <Brot6> zBase - Bug #4329 (Closed): Missing bubbles XzephyrisX @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/4329#change-11853
12:02:21  <Brot6> zBaseBuild - Bug #4349 (New): Depot offsets XzephyrisX @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/4349
12:04:30  <Brot6> zBase - Bug #4351 (New): Sugar mine sieve attachments XAlberthX @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/4351
12:04:30  <Brot6> zBase - Bug #4084: depot blender challenges XzephyrisX @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/4084#change-11855
12:06:00  <Rubidium> Ammler: I wonder whether lzma helps a lot; after all, it's compressing small bits and not massive files
12:11:05  <Brot6> zBase - Bug #4341: Bubble generator sprites incorrect XzephyrisX @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/4341#change-11857
12:12:27  <Brot6> zBase - Revision 246:f1e03c99d11c: Fix: Correct number of sprites for bubble generator (Bug #4341). XzephyrisX @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/zbase/repository/revisions/f1e03c99d11c
12:12:27  <Brot6> zBase - Bug #4341 (Closed): Bubble generator sprites incorrect XzephyrisX @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/4341#change-11859
12:12:53  <Brot6> zBase - Bug #4351: Sugar mine sieve attachments XzephyrisX @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/4351#change-11861
12:14:37  <Brot6> zBase - Bug #4351: Sugar mine sieve attachments XAlberthX @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/4351#change-11863
12:18:44  <Rubidium> Ammler: not to mention that xz means even slower compile times
12:20:33  <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Feature #4343 (New): Textile mill needs snow XandythenorthX @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/4343
12:20:33  <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 2900:3484e83ba623: Change: drawn snow sprites for Textile M... XandythenorthX @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/firs/repository/revisions/3484e83ba623
12:21:36  <Brot6> firs: update from r2899 to r2900 done (3 warnings) - http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/firs/push/r2900
12:22:29  <andythenorth> r2900 :)
12:36:32  <Brot6> zBase - Revision 247:0e63b45635be: Fix: Correct number of sprites for fizzy drinks factory (Bug #434... XzephyrisX @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/zbase/repository/revisions/0e63b45635be
12:36:32  <Brot6> zBase - Bug #4347 (Closed): Fizzy drink factory sprites wrong XzephyrisX @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/4347#change-11869
12:38:09  <Brot6> zBase - Bug #4347: Fizzy drink factory sprites wrong XzephyrisX @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/4347#change-11871
12:43:11  <Brot6> zBase - Revision 248:a08c3eac71ae: Add: Bought land sign. XzephyrisX @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/zbase/repository/revisions/a08c3eac71ae
12:43:13  <Alberth> andy: only 7100 from 10k :p
12:44:05  <Alberth> but perhaps you want to celebrate 5k first :p
12:44:59  <Ammler> Rubidium: now that would make me wonder, how big uncompressed zbase grf is
12:46:25  <andythenorth> Alberth: I'm considering stopping at 2900
12:46:28  <andythenorth> it's a nice number
12:47:01  <Alberth> no more snowy sprites?
12:47:16  <andythenorth> all future development won't be committed
12:47:24  <andythenorth> players will have to apply a diff :P
12:47:28  <Alberth> or not pushed at least :p
12:47:40  <andythenorth> I'm actually stuck for a bit anyway
12:47:44  <andythenorth> but nvm
12:50:14  <Alberth> Rubidium: time for a little merge with the updates by zephyris?
12:50:32  <Rubidium> Alberth: go ahead ;)
12:53:05  <Brot6> zBuild - Revision 61:269a793d67c7: Merged updates from zbase XAlberthX @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/zbuild/repository/revisions/269a793d67c7
12:53:06  <Alberth> pushed
12:54:07  <Rubidium> oh, you meant that ;)
12:55:26  <Alberth> are there other "updates by zephyris"?
12:57:24  <Rubidium> I assumed you meant updating offsets of industries zephyris just pushed
12:57:46  <Alberth> oh :)
12:57:59  <Alberth> some of them don't need updates if all is well ;)
12:58:40  <Brot6> zBase - Bug #4112: Oil rig too wide XzephyrisX @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/4112#change-11877
12:59:35  <Brot6> zBase - Revision 249:a763d2b63648: Fix: Correct oil rig render width (Bug #4112). XzephyrisX @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/zbase/repository/revisions/a763d2b63648
12:59:35  <Brot6> zBase - Bug #4112 (Closed): Oil rig too wide XzephyrisX @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/4112#change-11879
13:07:00  <Brot6> zBase - Bug #4170: missing ground sprites 2nd construction stage and final stage for steel mill XzephyrisX @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/4170#change-11881
13:10:29  <Alberth> I was too optimistic in thinking we had most of the changes :)
13:10:43  <Brot6> zBase - Bug #4353 (New): Missing sources for water tower XzephyrisX @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/4353
13:10:47  <Rubidium> most require coding work though
13:11:26  <Rubidium> it makes most sense to trigger a zbuild push just before the nightly
13:25:29  <Brot6> zBase - Bug #4112 (Reopened): Oil rig too wide XRubidiumX @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/4112#change-11883
13:25:29  <Brot6> zBaseBuild - Revision 207:8625daba33b2: Add: part of the oil rig XRubidiumX @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/zbasebuild/repository/revisions/8625daba33b2
13:50:45  <Brot6> zbuild: update from r60 to r61 done - http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/zbuild/push/r61
13:58:40  <Brot6> zBaseBuild - Revision 208:38572496223d: Change: redo depot alignment (Fixes #4349) XRubidiumX @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/zbasebuild/repository/revisions/38572496223d
13:58:40  <Brot6> zBaseBuild - Bug #4349 (Closed): Depot offsets XRubidiumX @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/4349#change-11885
14:12:56  <Brot6> zBase - Bug #4341 (Reopened): Bubble generator sprites incorrect XAlberthX @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/4341#change-11887
14:24:34  <Rubidium> some weird white ball <- got to love descriptive comments
14:25:52  <Brot6> zBase - Revision 250:7c511e0008f4: Update: Tropic farm barn ground tile. XzephyrisX @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/zbase/repository/revisions/7c511e0008f4
14:25:52  <Brot6> zBase - Revision 251:16c7a042e128: Update: Bubble generator company colour mask. XzephyrisX @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/zbase/repository/revisions/16c7a042e128
14:25:52  <Brot6> zBase - Bug #4341: Bubble generator sprites incorrect XzephyrisX @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/4341#change-11889
14:28:46  <Rubidium> Ammler: I suspect you can make a NewGRF about 30-35% smaller if you use LZMA instead of LZO; how to get it to work correctly is something else though
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14:37:47  <Brot6> zBase - Bug #4112: Oil rig too wide XzephyrisX @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/4112#change-11891
14:40:02  <Brot6> zBaseBuild - Revision 209:b5cc2c940db8: Add: (half)tile highlights XRubidiumX @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/zbasebuild/repository/revisions/b5cc2c940db8
14:41:02  <Alberth>  http://devs.openttd.org/~alberth/white_bubblegen.png    this kind of white ? :)
14:41:37  <Brot6> zBase - Bug #4112: Oil rig too wide XRubidiumX @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/4112#change-11893
14:41:58  <Rubidium> don't bother too much about that ;)
14:47:40  <Brot6> zBaseBuild - Revision 210:0a6fd575b40e: Add: buy land sign XRubidiumX @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/zbasebuild/repository/revisions/0a6fd575b40e
14:58:55  <Alberth> I wasn't :)
15:30:21  <Brot6> zBase - Bug #4341: Bubble generator sprites incorrect XAlberthX @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/4341#change-11895
15:33:09  <Brot6> zBase - Revision 252:c1aea0cb4359: Update: Oil rig. XzephyrisX @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/zbase/repository/revisions/c1aea0cb4359
15:48:44  <Brot6> zBaseBuild - Revision 211:ed5999e9898d: Add: remainder of oil rig XRubidiumX @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/zbasebuild/repository/revisions/ed5999e9898d
15:50:38  <Brot6> zBase - Bug #4112 (Closed): Oil rig too wide XRubidiumX @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/4112#change-11897
15:50:41  <Rubidium> Alberth: could you commit and push the stuff you got for industries? Then it can all get wrapped up in the nightly
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15:54:20  <Alberth> Rubidium:  zbasebuild pushed
15:54:30  <Brot6> zBaseBuild - Revision 212:f47f5759dd4e: Change: Adjustment of bubble generator, and first bubbles XAlberthX @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/zbasebuild/repository/revisions/f47f5759dd4e
15:57:23  <Alberth> Rubidium: can you update zbuild ?
16:11:37  <Brot6> Backup firs: abort: no suitable response from remote hg!
16:24:13  <Brot6> zBase - Bug #4341: Bubble generator sprites incorrect XzephyrisX @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/4341#change-11899
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16:51:24  <Brot6> zBaseBuild - Revision 213:0f2aa3292254: Change: Positioning of bubbles improved. XAlberthX @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/zbasebuild/repository/revisions/0f2aa3292254
16:51:24  <Brot6> zBuild - Revision 62:beafe86e33aa: Update: Merge of zbasebuild and zbase XAlberthX @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/zbuild/repository/revisions/beafe86e33aa
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17:15:21  <Rubidium> thanks Alberth
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17:21:59  <Brot6> zBase - Bug #4355 (New): Missing rail selector sprites XRubidiumX @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/4355
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17:55:52  <Brot6> zbuild: update from r61 to r62 done - http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/zbuild/push/r62
18:07:30  <Alberth> I hope it was still in time
18:14:57  <Alberth> Ammler: any change of getting the output of cl.py online (current version cl_v2_1.py), or does the script need further changes?
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18:17:42  <Ammler> Alberth: what is cl?
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18:19:22  <Brot6> zBase - Bug #4355: Missing rail selector sprites XRubidiumX @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/4355#change-11901
18:20:59  <Brot6> zbuild: update from r58 to r62 done - http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/zbuild/nightlies/r62
18:21:15  <Alberth> Ammler:  http://devs.openttd.org/~alberth/firs_dutch.html
18:21:31  <Alberth> I thought it had change colours too :)
18:21:54  <Brot6> zBaseBuild - Revision 214:8ff6a54f28bb: Add: begin of autorail sprites XRubidiumX @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/zbasebuild/repository/revisions/8ff6a54f28bb
18:22:06  <Ammler> is that part of firs repo already?
18:22:29  <Alberth> please reload, updated the file
18:23:00  <andythenorth> Alberth: I screwed with lots of strings recently
18:23:03  <andythenorth> translators will hate me :P
18:23:18  <Ammler> Alberth: an overall of all languages would be nice :-P
18:23:22  <andythenorth> also I didn't bother using any of the built in string codes to handle units :P
18:23:26  <Brot6> DevZone Help Center - Membership #4319: Applying for project: Polish PKP Set 2.0 XTadeuszDX @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/4319#change-11903
18:23:33  <Alberth> no, it analyzes the language file(s) changes and produces output like http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/firs/nightlies/LATEST/log/lang-dutch.lng.log  but prettier/better
18:24:08  <Brot6> firs: update from r2897 to r2900 done (3 warnings) - http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/firs/nightlies/r2900
18:24:31  <Brot6> DevZone Help Center - Membership #4319 (Closed): Applying for project: Polish PKP Set 2.0 XTadeuszDX @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/4319
18:24:31  <Brot6> DevZone Help Center - Membership #4319 (Closed): Applying for project: Polish PKP Set 2.0 XAmmlerX @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/4319#change-11905
18:25:18  <Alberth> ./cl_v2_1.py --html -d lang/english.lng lang/dutch.lng > firs_dutch.html  <-- that's how I created it the file, the script can handle all languages of a newgrf at the same time, which is also more efficient, as the master language changes get cached
18:25:54  <Brot6> zBaseBuild - Revision 215:9591e3eb83f4: Fix: wrong rail station bits used for toyland rail station XRubidiumX @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/zbasebuild/repository/revisions/9591e3eb83f4
18:26:29  <Ammler> Alberth: it needs some mods to the spec and publisher, but easy to do
18:27:01  <Ammler> anyway, I think, there should be a kind of overview, maybe also with a link to the source language file
18:27:53  <Alberth> Ammler: ok, what information do you want?
18:27:56  <Ammler> Alberth: why do you make a new table for every string, will there ever be more as one row?
18:28:42  <Alberth> they are chapter haedings :p
18:29:21  <Ammler> ah, the outdated has 3 rows
18:29:35  <Alberth> maybe you can make a mockup of what you want to have on the overview?
18:31:54  <Alberth> andythenorth: you forgot 8 dots at the end of the new strings :p
18:32:06  <andythenorth> ?
18:33:01  <Alberth> http://devs.openttd.org/~alberth/firs_dutch.html#report_28  <-- notice the diff
18:36:44  <Ammler> btw. isn't the extension of the nml language files wrong?
18:36:54  <Ammler> shouldn't it be .txt instead .lng
18:37:03  <planetmaker> good evening
18:37:16  <Alberth> efenink planetmaker
18:40:04  <andythenorth> meh dots :P
18:40:26  <andythenorth> hello planetmaker
18:40:29  <Ammler> Alberth: overview: one row per language with the numbers of missing, outdated, obsolted strings and percentage of it (100/total*(total-missing))% and link to the detail report
18:41:07  <Ammler> just geneate a report directory with the html files where the overview is index.html
18:41:08  <Alberth> that sounds doable
18:42:06  <andythenorth> planetmaker: sometime (I am going out soon, so maybe not today), could you remind yourself how FIRS templates work wrt snow?
18:42:06  <Alberth> I think you can put output in a directory already, useful with multiple output files, one for each language
18:42:16  <andythenorth> I have new snow graphics, and no idea how to apply them
18:42:27  <Ammler> then devs can link to http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/firs/nightlies/LATEST/log/translations
18:42:40  <andythenorth> or rather, I don't know which examples to follow as it's not clear which FIRS way is correct
18:43:06  <Alberth> good idea
18:43:19  <Ammler> with or without log
18:45:06  <Ammler> oh, and call the script scripts/check_language
18:45:31  <Alberth> what do you think "cl" means ?  :D
18:46:07  <Ammler> well, current build script checks for that file and runs it if exist
18:46:16  <Ammler> so I only need to alter the publisher
18:48:45  <Ammler> not sure, shouldn't we make it a own tool or part of nml instead part of firs?
18:49:34  <Ammler> is it bad, if nml has multiple scripts?
18:49:34  <Alberth> it is an independent tool
18:49:48  <Alberth> nml would be another option
18:50:14  <Alberth> or it could be the start of a newgrf wt :)
18:50:55  <Alberth> basically, the current log output was useless to me, so I wrote something better :p
18:51:13  <Ammler> the diff view is nice
18:52:04  <Alberth> yeah, newgrf authors never tell me what has changed, and diff just says "this line has changed" :p
18:52:33  <Rubidium> cl obviously compiler linker ;)
18:53:08  <Ammler> Alberth: using xhtml instead html4 or older? would be nice
18:54:04  <Alberth> Ammler: it's 3.2 I think, the last html version I cared to look at :)
18:54:14  <Alberth> but that could be a nice change too
18:54:31  <Ammler> css would be easier customizeable
18:55:57  <Ammler> style="background-color:#AAFFAA;" <-- half css you have already ;-)
18:56:14  <Ammler> that does not look like html < 4 :-P
18:57:10  <Ammler> but andythenorth is the html expert ;-)
19:01:13  <andythenorth> I wouldn't worry too much about html specs :P
19:01:24  <andythenorth> browsers are so variable anyway
19:01:28  <andythenorth> it'll probably come out right
19:01:55  <andythenorth> I think html 5 reverts back to 'xhtml style is optional', whereas in html 4 it is required :P
19:02:09  <andythenorth> it's a world of fun, making the internets o_O
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19:31:39  <planet> Was the machine re-started or did it recover?
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19:32:03  <^ekipS^> seems recoverd
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19:32:41  <planetmaker> hm, peculiar. There must be *something*
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20:25:39  <Brot6> zBaseBuild - Revision 216:5b1a94f21b0d: Add: toolbar icons XRubidiumX @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/zbasebuild/repository/revisions/5b1a94f21b0d
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21:50:06  <Brot6> zBase - Bug #4355: Missing rail selector sprites XzephyrisX @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/4355#change-11907
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