Log for #openttdcoop.devzone on 19th October 2012:
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05:47:18  <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Bug #4424 (Closed): Food Market - wrong trees in temperate / tropic XandythenorthX @
05:47:18  <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 2994:854319e6b4d2: Fix: restore climate-awareness to food m... XandythenorthX @
05:47:18  <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Bug #4424 (Closed): Food Market - wrong trees in temperate / tropic XandythenorthX @
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05:48:00  <Brot6> firs: update from r2993 to r2994 done (3 warnings) -
05:56:35  <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Feature #3034 (Rejected): Conversion of spritelayout templates to th... XandythenorthX @
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08:07:12  <Ammler> planetmaker: we should not discuss devzone specific topics in #rhodecode ;-)
08:26:21  <planetmaker> I thought it's related to rhodecode :-)
08:27:50  <Ammler> well, as you found out yourself, the same issue with hgweb
08:28:28  <Ammler> your request could be done similar with user sharing maybe
08:30:16  <planetmaker> yes. And still, rhodecode might supply a solution the simplistic hgweb cannot offer
08:30:57  <Ammler> well, the main reason we switched to rhodecode is to clone/pull big repos
08:31:27  <Ammler> fist step was to have at least capabilites of hgweb
08:31:42  <Ammler> which should be fullfilled
08:32:54  <Ammler> replacing push is still a big TODO :-)
08:33:10  <planetmaker> push.o.o you mean?
08:33:17  <Ammler> yep
08:35:48  <planetmaker> so... hg.o.o now shall replace what you moved to hgweb.o.o?
08:36:21  <planetmaker> honestly, I do think that the rhodecode view should get a new name and hg.o.o remain as it was
08:36:37  <planetmaker> instead of rewriting everything and moving the old hg.o.o to a new name
08:36:57  <planetmaker> especially given that rhodecode is a lot slower than hgweb
08:38:06  <planetmaker> hm... of course there's reasons for both, changing and not changing
08:38:28  <planetmaker> but I'm a bit more in favour of not changing, but just adding new
08:39:02  <planetmaker> or what's the reason to move hg.o.o->hgweb.o.o and rhodecode.o.o->hg.o.o and keeping rhodecode.o.o?
08:39:17  <planetmaker> only benefit I see is to introduce many rewrite rules ;-)
08:40:14  <Ammler> [10:30] <Ammler> well, the main reason we switched to rhodecode is to clone/pull big repos
08:40:16  <planetmaker> so in short: I very much like what I see on hg.o.o now, but rather would have it on a new domain
08:40:23  <planetmaker> and keep hg.o.o as it was
08:40:32  <planetmaker> that's not my argument, Ammler ;-)
08:40:51  <Ammler> hgweb.o.o does not allow to clone/pull zbase
08:40:53  <planetmaker> my argument is only for the naming of the sub domains and what they stand for
08:41:11  <planetmaker> yes, that I know. Also not my argument
08:41:37  <planetmaker> But keep it simple. Don't shuffle around the meaning of the domains. Just add a new rhodecode.o.o for the rhodecode stuff. That's it
08:41:41  <Ammler> you think, it would be easiest to communicate people to use rhodecode.o.o instead hg.o.o ?
08:41:42  <planetmaker> we can then promote it
08:42:05  <Ammler> instead simply replace hg.o.o with another service
08:42:47  <Ammler> the rewrite I made to support possible links to hg.o.o, e.g. readme etc.
08:43:30  <Ammler> well, if you tell me how to fix hg.o.o, I am with you
08:43:52  <Ammler> for me, switching to rhodecode was the only fix I found
08:44:30  <Ammler> you didn't use hg.o.o to browse
08:44:39  <Ammler> it is just for clone/pull
08:44:47  <planetmaker> sorry, did you read my argument? I say using rhodecode is great. But I say it should not replace hg.o.o
08:44:53  <Ammler> so does it really that much matter of browse speed?
08:44:57  <planetmaker> and yes, I DID use hg.o.o to browse a repo
08:45:07  <planetmaker> and it's a factor of > 10
08:45:18  * Rubidium too
08:45:28  <Rubidium> useful to see what Zeph changes
08:45:37  <planetmaker> especially the starting page of hg.o.o is much slower
08:45:50  <Ammler> still?
08:45:52  <Rubidium> especially since the redmine thing is lagging
08:46:00  <planetmaker> (I also use to view what changed) ;-)
08:46:03  <Ammler> Rubidium: that was a migration issue
08:46:17  <planetmaker> Ammler, speed did not improve for me
08:46:39  <planetmaker> at least not psychologically
08:46:48  <Ammler> so you prefer to keep the uncloneable hgweb?
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08:47:42  <Ammler> well, switch back is done quite fast
08:47:57  <Ammler> hg.o.o is just an alias of whatever service we use
08:48:08  <Rubidium> goedeNmorgen Alberth ;)
08:48:21  <Alberth> hi hi
08:48:27  <planetmaker> *sigh*. Please listen: I say that rhodecode is VERY NICE. But I do not understand why the service on hg.o.o needs to change. Why not just introduce rhodecode for the clonging etc on ... rhodecode.o.o? We have to communicate changes anyway, one way or another
08:48:29  <Ammler> hgweb.o.o and rhodecode.o.o are the main service domains
08:49:06  <Ammler> planetmaker: but the main purpose of hg.o.o is cloning/pull
08:49:18  <Ammler> so wouldn't it be easier to use hgweb.o.o for you
08:49:26  <planetmaker> funnily, at home, the rhodecode.o.o (or current hg.o.o) is split in sections. Here at work I get the full list
08:49:29  <Ammler> so you don't need to communicate
08:49:45  <Ammler> planetmaker: cache
08:50:03  <Alberth> aka 'smart system' :p
08:50:08  <planetmaker> a cache would load in very short time. But it took > 10 seconds to load here, Ammler
08:50:15  <Ammler> well, future plan was of course to shutdown hgweb
08:52:09  <planetmaker> actually, loading the complete takes here about 1 minute
08:52:17  <planetmaker> a page which contains all repos
08:52:19  <Ammler> 1s here
08:52:59  <planetmaker> and you get the sectioned view or not?
08:53:17  <Ammler> yes, no cache here
08:53:48  <Ammler> hmm, maybe we need to set some prosy settings?
08:53:59  <Ammler> you have a proxy in your work running?
08:54:06  <planetmaker> no. Direct internet @ 100Mbit
08:54:20  <planetmaker> (the limit is the router :-( )
08:54:51  <Ammler> well, obviously there is another issue
08:58:16  <Ammler> planetmaker: what url do you use?
08:59:23  <planetmaker>
09:00:06  <Ammler> are you able to try with another browser
09:00:41  <Ammler> I have the feeling the new dashboard even loads faster as hgweb
09:01:02  <Ammler> (force-reload)
09:02:52  <planetmaker> Ammler, I think it just eats all my cpu rendering that page...
09:04:12  <Ammler> also on another browser?
09:04:44  <Rubidium> hg: 8s, hgweb: 2s for loading a zbase commit (from the changelog)
09:04:56  <Rubidium> (obviously comparing the same commit)
09:07:01  <Ammler> actually I think it was still a good idea to switch hg.o.o to rhodecode, also when we won't keep it
09:07:10  <Ammler> those tests wouldn't be done else
09:07:36  <Ammler> also the traffic with search engines is quite much higher there
09:08:03  <planetmaker> Ammler, please note: I am IN FAVOUR of using and offering rhodecode... but I'm not convinced that we should replace the previous hg.o.o with it
09:08:06  <Ammler> i also think, rhodecode has a serious mem leak
09:09:38  <planetmaker> I'm only not (yet?) convinced to replace hg.o.o by rhodecode.o.o
09:10:03  <Alberth> the obvious counter argument is that rhodecode has a serious mem leak  :)
09:11:06  <Ammler> :-)
09:11:16  <Alberth> ie do you really want to replace your service by a service which is known to be broken?
09:11:18  <Rubidium> does it leak memory, or is it by design to use as much memory as possible?
09:11:18  <planetmaker> Ammler, the view on a specific repo itself, that is not a problem for me with rhodecode. That is fast enough
09:11:23  <Ammler> well, the obvious benefit is that you can clone zbase
09:11:37  <planetmaker> which is good enough reason to offer it. ^
09:11:42  <Rubidium> as I know a certain application using 60 GiB of memory and nobody complaining it leaks memory ;)
09:11:49  <planetmaker> also the option to have the web interface for the repo
09:12:26  <Ammler> Rubidium: according to the dev, the dashboard is the only page in memory cache
09:12:31  <Ammler> so it should not rise
09:14:58  <Ammler> and the new dashboard shouldn't use any mem cache
09:29:37  <planetmaker> gives 404 (missing rewrite)
09:33:07  <planetmaker> similar
09:48:25  <Alberth> %  hg fetch
09:48:25  <Alberth> remote: ssh_exchange_identification: Connection closed by remote host
09:48:25  <Alberth> abort: no suitable response from remote hg!
10:13:16  <planetmaker> which url, Alberth ?
10:18:20  <Ammler> planetmaker: does not matter
10:18:56  <Ammler> the issue is that rhodecode uses that much memory, there is no left to run the monitor :-)
10:19:06  <Ammler> I guess, I need to run it outside of dev :-P
10:19:18  <planetmaker> hm?
10:19:27  <planetmaker> oh, the ssh is then re-directed, too?
10:20:14  <planetmaker> well. good reason to keep hg as-is (few only) and just try to convince people to use rhodecode.o.o when trying to work with repos
10:20:23  <Alberth> ssh://
10:20:36  <Ammler> no, I meant, if there is memroy excess, it does not matter which url you try ;-)
10:21:08  <Alberth> just limit rhodecode memory?
10:21:42  <Ammler> another nice benefit of virutal server, if virtualserver itself is not controllable anymore, you can still control it via hypervisor
10:23:46  <planetmaker> :-)
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14:55:43  <Brot6> zBase - Bug #4323: Wrong number of sprites for the toffee quarry XAlberthX @
14:56:37  <Brot6> zBase - Bug #4323: Wrong number of sprites for the toffee quarry XAlberthX @
15:12:48  <Brot6> zBase - Bug #4397 (Closed): Left has partial foundations XzephyrisX @
15:12:48  <Brot6> zBase - Bug #4397 (Reopened): Left has partial foundations XAlberthX @
15:23:57  <Brot6> zBase - Bug #4399: toy factory problems XAlberthX @
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18:21:54  <Brot6> zbuild: update from r68 to r69 done -
18:24:38  <Brot6> firs: update from r2982 to r2994 done (3 warnings) -
18:45:50  <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 2995:2494d4d06b2f: Codechange: convert bauxite mine to use ... XandythenorthX @
18:46:16  <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Bug #4426 (New): DevZone compile failed XcompilerX @
18:47:31  <Brot6> firs: compile of r2996 still failed (#4426) -
18:47:45  <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 2996:a3f71e2456ed: Codechange: make ADD_FENCES define small... XyexoX @
18:51:25  <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 2997:51a666b28300: Fix: add missing file XandythenorthX @
18:51:25  <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 2998:5186f6c8e745: Codechange: swap THIS_ID for python meth... XandythenorthX @
18:51:40  <Brot6> firs: update from r2994 to r2997 done (3 warnings) -
18:52:56  <Brot6> firs: update from r2997 to r2998 done (3 warnings) -
18:53:00  <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Bug #4426 (Closed): DevZone compile failed XcompilerX @
18:53:00  <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Bug #4426 (Closed): DevZone compile failed XandythenorthX @
18:55:49  <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Bug #4415: Unwanted Subsidence XyexoX @
19:01:56  <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 2999:0d0a7c801dc4: Codechange: convert bauxite mine spritel... XandythenorthX @
19:02:25  <Brot6> firs: update from r2998 to r2999 done (3 warnings) -
19:02:29  <andythenorth> there we go :P
19:02:46  <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 3000:631310a86c90: Cleanup: remove all nfo code XandythenorthX @
19:02:49  <^Spike^> ...
19:03:26  <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Bug #4415: Unwanted Subsidence XandythenorthX @
19:03:44  <Brot6> firs: update from r2999 to r3000 done (3 warnings) -
19:03:50  <andythenorth> nml FIRS is way less headache :)
19:06:40  <Alberth> \o/
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19:24:23  <Ammler> andythenorth: wasn't there once a time you wanted to give up nml and continue with nfo only?
19:24:30  <andythenorth> yes
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19:33:17  <andythenorth> Yexo: you should have included a troll face with your forum post ;)
19:33:27  <andythenorth> I bet someone replies asking why we deleted FIRS
19:36:52  <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 3001:b9c0fdc36345: Codechange: python templating complete f... XandythenorthX @
19:37:28  <frosch123> quick, everyone make backup copies of heqs and fish!
19:37:40  <Brot6> firs: update from r3000 to r3001 done (3 warnings) -
19:38:14  <andythenorth> hmm
19:38:16  <andythenorth> heqs
19:38:18  <andythenorth> that's nfo
19:38:46  <frosch123> didn't you wanted to add elephants to it?
19:38:58  <frosch123> :p
19:39:04  <andythenorth> elephants need an nml conversion definitely
19:39:24  <andythenorth>, andythenorth is far too busy to discuss subtypes :P
19:39:34  <andythenorth> which means frosch123 won't leave
19:39:38  <andythenorth> maybe
19:39:46  <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 3002:c64669e813bb: Codechange: correct an identifier in oil... XandythenorthX @
19:39:47  <frosch123> well, maybe elephants would need custom vehicle effects
19:39:54  <Brot6> firs: update from r3001 to r3002 done (3 warnings) -
19:39:58  <frosch123> like water fountains instead of smoke
19:40:03  <andythenorth> which end of the elephant do the effects come from?
19:40:21  <andythenorth> hmm
19:40:27  <andythenorth> that would be a feature for horses too :P
19:40:40  <frosch123> oh, i guess wales weres rarely used for transprot
19:40:48  <andythenorth> only in the bible :P
19:40:54  <frosch123> though i seem to remember they have 1 pax capacity
19:40:58  <frosch123> exactly :p
19:41:14  <andythenorth> anybody want to join me in converting FIRS?  It's mindlessly therapuetic
19:41:26  <andythenorth> copy, paste, change :P
19:42:57  <frosch123> do you want to convert firs to nfo? or what :p
19:43:20  <andythenorth> yes, it's a recode from scratch :)
19:43:29  <andythenorth> in advanced nfo :P
19:43:43  <andythenorth> templated with lisp
19:44:16  <frosch123> the lisp language family is the one which i have had the least contact with
19:44:44  <andythenorth> me too
19:44:44  <frosch123> if you ignore my failed attempts with some old gimp script thingie, you can even say none
19:44:58  <andythenorth> should FIRS have a soup factory?
19:45:06  * andythenorth is eating soup
19:45:15  <frosch123> input cargo?
19:45:22  <frosch123> water and grain?
19:45:51  <frosch123> or water plus any other cargo?
19:48:18  <andythenorth> chicken :P
19:48:47  * andythenorth ponders a soup industry grf
19:49:02  <andythenorth> various industries
19:49:27  <andythenorth> primary cargos: chicken, beef, tomato, basil, onion, potato, pearl barley, sweetcorn, water
19:49:30  <andythenorth> output: soup
19:49:45  <frosch123> maybe a cooking grf
19:50:11  <frosch123> you can deliver any ingredients to the cooking industry, but depending on the cargo you deliver the result might not sell well
19:50:17  <andythenorth> he
19:50:26  <andythenorth> spec can't support that :P
19:51:07  <andythenorth> the idea of just one secondary cargo (soup) amuses me though
19:51:47  <andythenorth> maybe it should make use of subtypes? o_O
19:56:03  <andythenorth> ha ha
19:56:06  <andythenorth> fences just work
19:56:35  <andythenorth> I paste a CPP id into my chameleon template and it just keeps on trucking ;)
19:59:39  <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 3003:9205a35e5651: Change: provide support for fences in py... XandythenorthX @
20:00:46  <Brot6> firs: update from r3002 to r3003 done (3 warnings) -
20:25:34  <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 3004:c84a0e4550ea: Codechange: copy fences into python spri... XandythenorthX @
20:25:57  <Brot6> firs: update from r3003 to r3004 done (3 warnings) -
20:26:30  <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 3005:c48ac121cc03: Fix: wrong register vars used for two fe... XandythenorthX @
20:27:11  <Brot6> firs: update from r3004 to r3005 done (3 warnings) -
20:36:30  <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 3006:2e07b40fa913: Fix: a number of stupid mistakes correct... XandythenorthX @
20:36:40  <Brot6> firs: update from r3005 to r3006 done (3 warnings) -
20:36:59  * andythenorth wonders how many fence types it's necessary to support
20:39:12  <andythenorth> originalt TTD graphics have two common types
20:51:05  <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 3007:27408e159d43: Codechange: unify 3 fence macro calls to... XandythenorthX @
20:52:04  <Brot6> firs: update from r3006 to r3007 done (3 warnings) -
20:52:29  <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 3008:ea9905ab984f: Codechange: add some missing GPL notific... XandythenorthX @
20:53:04  * andythenorth -> bed
20:53:18  <Brot6> firs: update from r3007 to r3008 done (3 warnings) -
20:54:47  <Rubidium> night andythenorth
20:54:55  <andythenorth> bye
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20:55:07  <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 3009:51d643d2341a: Codechange: improve a comment XandythenorthX @
20:56:12  <Brot6> firs: update from r3008 to r3009 done (3 warnings) -
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20:57:30  <andythenorth> hmm
20:57:41  <andythenorth> fences
20:57:52  <andythenorth> I could specify them on a per-tile-per-layout basis
20:58:00  <andythenorth> or less fine grained than that
21:00:30  <andythenorth> maybe per-spritelayout is sufficient
21:00:46  <andythenorth> probably bed time
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21:32:25  <Brot6> Polish PKP Set 2.0 - Revision 5:fa64983225a2: New vehicles - SN61, Bh, Uacs. New length of Ohxt. XTadeuszDX @
21:35:22  <Brot6> Polish PKP Set 2.0 - pkp-2.0.4.grf XTadeuszDX @
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23:17:32  <Brot6> firs: update from r3009 to r3010 done (3 warnings) -
23:18:20  <Yexo> suddenly most translations are ~7% more complete
23:30:07  <planetmaker> :D

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