Log for #openttdcoop.devzone on 15th November 2012:
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00:07:46  <Brot6> OpenGFX - Revision 992:fc4077bb46bb: Add: [Makefile] Version check for NML version XplanetmakerX @
00:08:28  <Brot6> OpenGFX - Revision 993:701353f7d30b: Add: GUI sprites for delete buttons introduced in OpenTTD r2474... XplanetmakerX @
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16:18:19  <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Feature #4574 (New): Convert Machine Shop to python templates XandythenorthX @
16:18:19  <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Feature #4577 (New): Convert Lime Kiln to python templates XandythenorthX @
16:19:49  <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Feature #4580 (New): Convert Aluminium Plant to python templates XandythenorthX @
16:19:49  <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Feature #4583 (New): Convert Brick Works to python templates XandythenorthX @
16:19:49  <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Feature #4586 (New): Convert Cement Plant to python templates XandythenorthX @
16:20:37  <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Feature #4589 (New): Convert Fertiliser Plant to python templates XandythenorthX @
16:20:37  <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Feature #4592 (New): Convert Furniture Factory to python templates XandythenorthX @
16:20:37  <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Feature #4595 (New): Convert Iron Works to python templates XandythenorthX @
16:21:26  <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Feature #4598 (New): Convert Metal Workshop to python templates XandythenorthX @
16:21:26  <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Feature #4601 (New): Convert Metal Fab. Plant to python templates XandythenorthX @
16:22:35  <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Feature #4604 (New): Convert Dairy to python templates XandythenorthX @
16:30:19  <Ammler> could this be useful: etc...
17:06:36  <Yexo> I really don't care about the current urls, but it doesn't really matter
17:06:56  <Yexo> current urls are fine, if you want to change it that's fine too
17:07:54  <Yexo> although right now is a list of firs issues, which is strange
17:08:02  <Yexo> I meant
17:08:36  <Brot6> nml: update from r2048 to r2049 done -
17:23:02  <planetmaker> nah, I think we should simply keep the existing URLs
17:23:15  <planetmaker> is easy to remember. And it works
17:24:01  <planetmaker> apropos, yexo, we might need an NML release soon, at least of the 0.2 branch in order to build OpenGFX
17:24:24  <Ammler> that does not work, I don't think could get that working
17:25:17  <Ammler> Yexo: I did not setup it proper, I drop it
17:25:27  <planetmaker> ah, well. dev.o.o/projects/projectname then. That's good enough
17:26:41  <planetmaker> Yexo, I already made the necessary commits. So it "just" would need amending changelog (I forgot that) and releasing
17:27:53  <Brot6> opengfx: update from r990 to r993 done -
17:29:44  <Ammler> I changed it to a redirect, <sub>.o.o -> dev.o.o/p/<sub>
17:30:49  <planetmaker> Ammler, and when I create a project "ps" ?
17:30:54  <planetmaker> or "www"?
17:30:57  <Ammler> try it :-P
17:31:00  <planetmaker> or even "dev"?
17:31:59  <Ammler> the proxy does not know, which projects exist
17:32:08  <Brot6> ogfx-industries: rebuild of r133 done (Diffsize: 56343) (DiffDiffsize: 12) -
17:32:17  <Ammler> it does simply redirect all unknown subdomains
17:32:18  <planetmaker> Ammler, do you know the answer? If not, I'm not a fan of these rewrite rules
17:32:35  <planetmaker> it introduces again a new kind of URL. And I'm rather a fan of stable URLs than fancy ones
17:32:41  <Brot6> dutchtrains: rebuild of r637 done (Diffsize: 889) (DiffDiffsize: 13) -
17:32:55  <Ammler> I already dopped it
17:34:09  <planetmaker> thank you
17:42:02  <Brot6> ogfx-trains: rebuild of r695 done (1 warnings) (Diffsize: 53909) (DiffDiffsize: 12) -
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19:01:00  <Yexo> planetmaker: the NML release is required because of the version number?
19:01:21  <Yexo> issue #4460 is still open, r2044 is not yet backported
19:01:21  <Brot6> Yexo: #4460 is "Bug #4460: Revisions to be backported to 0.2 branch - NewGRF Meta Language - #openttdcoop Development Zone"
19:02:13  <Brot6> britrains: rebuild of r45 done (7 warnings) (Diffsize: 133516) (DiffDiffsize: 15) -
19:02:17  <Yexo> oh, nevermind, it's needed because of the two new GUI sprites of course
19:02:31  <Yexo> is a new OpenGFX release already planned for some date?
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19:02:58  <Brot6> dutchtracks: rebuild of r104 done (Diffsize: 3) (DiffDiffsize: 6) -
19:04:39  <Ammler> Yexo: don't think you need to backport for opengfx anymore...
19:05:19  <Yexo> Ammler: what do you mean?
19:05:39  <Yexo> that a release is not required for OpenGFX or that all necesary changes are already backported?
19:05:58  <Brot6> dutchroadfurniture: rebuild of r145 done (Diffsize: 44014) (DiffDiffsize: 12) -
19:07:32  <Ammler> <-- Yexo, opengfx needs 0.3 now
19:07:45  <Brot6> airportsplus: rebuild of r171 done (Diffsize: 96784) (DiffDiffsize: 12) -
19:08:02  <Yexo> Ammler: planetmaker has already backported the relevant commit to the 0.2 branch
19:08:34  <Ammler> ok, then I am confused :-)
19:13:26  <Brot6> ogfx-rv: rebuild of r163 done (Diffsize: 2042) (DiffDiffsize: 12) -
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19:16:27  <Brot6> Following repos rebuilds successful without any difference to earlier nightlies builds: cets (122 warnings) (Diffsize: 2), manindu (Diffsize: 1), canrail, zbuild, firs, make-nml, belarusiantowns (Diffsize: 72), frenchtowns, fish (1 warnings) (Diffsize: 2), swisstowns (Diffsize: 51), newgrf_makefile (Diffsize: 1)
19:51:32  <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Bug #4607 (New): Oil Rigs won't build XandythenorthX @
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21:14:33  <planetmaker> Ammler, please differ between default branch and stable branch :-)
21:14:42  <planetmaker> default branch needs NML 0.3.0. Stable branch 0.2.0
21:15:32  <planetmaker> but I didn't yet port the change to OpenGFX' stable branch. I didn't have a windows palette at hand yesterday evening and I was too tired to search
21:16:36  <planetmaker> or at least I didn't yet push the changes to OpenGFX 0.4 branch... all but correctly paletted image file is done
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21:18:38  <planetmaker> actually I thought whether I need an NML_MAX_VERSION... I guess I even might need it for the stable branch
21:18:43  <planetmaker> of OpenGFX
21:19:34  <planetmaker> or, alternatively and possibly "better", I just assume that the minor version of NML defines compatibility
21:25:42  <Ammler> well, who needs opengfx with grfv7?
21:25:53  <Ammler> with the new gui element that is
21:27:04  <Ammler> or did you add other things to it?
21:29:47  <planetmaker> no, I didn't
21:30:27  <planetmaker> well, you're right, no-one really needs it. Except those who (also) use old OpenGFX maybe
21:42:05  <Ammler> do you speak about nml or ogfx now :-P
21:42:44  <planetmaker> NML has the change in both branches. That's "done" wrt the new GUI sprites
21:42:51  <planetmaker> OpenGFX has it so far only in default
21:43:20  <planetmaker> But people who use (also) older OpenTTD might want to use a grf v7 OpenGFX (e.g. ChillPP or so)
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21:44:00  <Ammler> we, but the new opengfx would be useless for them anyway, there is no change except the gui
21:44:21  <Ammler> which they can't use
21:45:18  <planetmaker> yes. But they need it when they play 1.2.0 or trunk openttd
21:45:27  <planetmaker> there are lots of people who use more than one version
21:46:43  <Ammler> ah ok, so openttd wouldn't be able to load the older version, if both are installed?
21:47:08  <Ammler> doesn't it have a max_version?
21:47:23  <planetmaker> openttd likely would pick the right one, yes
21:48:14  <Ammler> well, you know it, I just again try without success to make your life easier :-P
21:49:09  <planetmaker> I know
21:50:03  <planetmaker> But there's currently also no gain for the users being supplied with the grf v8 one. And grf v8 is still too young (less than a year) that I want to phase out grf v7
22:14:01  <Brot6> OpenGFX - Revision 994:3131dd02a6aa: Add: [Makefile] Version check for NML version XplanetmakerX @
22:14:01  <Brot6> OpenGFX - Revision 995:e63cce5b3090: Add: GUI sprites for delete buttons introduced in OpenTTD r2474... XplanetmakerX @
22:21:42  <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Bug #4610 (New): "Prevent industries opening during gameplay": no in... XoberhuemerX @
22:36:12  <planetmaker> yexo, would you mind if I do another NML 0.2.x release this weekend or so?
22:36:29  <planetmaker> I'd like to have a working OpenGFX. And possibly also a working zBase
22:58:23  <Yexo> planetmaker: as before: there is an open issue and one backport pending
22:58:34  <Yexo> is there any reason to release opengfx now?
22:59:23  <Yexo> wouldn't it make more sense to wait until just before openttd 1.3?
23:00:04  <Yexo> I'm a bit afraid in two weeks someone adds a sprite to openttd and it'll need yet another nml release just to make a new opengfx release
23:00:15  <Brot6> zBaseBuild - Revision 246:c0252dda639f: Add: [Makefile] Version check for NML version XplanetmakerX @
23:00:15  <Brot6> zBaseBuild - Revision 247:d8ebc1f2ef2b: Add: GUI sprites for delete buttons introduced in OpenTTD r2... XplanetmakerX @
23:00:15  <Brot6> zBaseBuild - Revision 248:1d25ef2057dc: Fix: [Makefile] Also ignore the tar bundle XplanetmakerX @
23:02:24  <Brot6> zBuild - Revision 74:9563b250f64e: Update: zbasebuild and opengfx to make use of sprites for delete ... XplanetmakerX @
23:02:36  <planetmaker> Yexo, yes, that *might* happen. But... does it hurt?
23:03:12  <Yexo> I guess not really
23:03:17  <planetmaker> Yexo, I find it quite detrimental and annoying that without that the only base set which works out-of-box for nightlies will be the TTD one
23:03:47  <Yexo> ah, you don't want to create OpenGFX 0.5 yet?
23:03:59  <planetmaker> it would be another 0.4.x
23:04:07  <planetmaker> no reason really to release 0.5
23:04:11  <planetmaker> yet
23:04:22  <planetmaker> that's for openttd 1.3. Even if it should not be much different
23:04:56  <planetmaker> and no, I don't want NML 0.3.0. Just 0.2.5 :-)
23:05:21  <Yexo> that seems to conflict with the desire to update 0.4 now for the nightlies, since that's essentially for openttd 1.3
23:05:23  <planetmaker> OpenGFX 0.5.0 would also need NML 0.3.0
23:05:32  <Yexo> but ok :)
23:06:09  <Yexo> it's fine with me, just as long as the one standing bug-fix is also backported to nml 0.2
23:06:14  <planetmaker> yes... true. Only nightlies need it... we could wait. But... meh... will there be a new gui sprite soonish? Then I've no issue with delaying it
23:06:38  <Yexo> I don't think there are any plans for it
23:06:46  <Yexo> but then I didn't see this one coming either, so who knows
23:07:03  <Yexo> lets just make it this weekend
23:07:22  <planetmaker> ok
23:07:29  <planetmaker> tonight is too late anyway
23:07:35  <planetmaker> I just updated zBase, too
23:09:16  <Yexo> good night :)
23:09:18  <Ammler> you do not necessary need a release, distos don't package it
23:09:41  <Yexo> Ammler: distro's aren't the only reason to make a release
23:09:52  <Yexo> just wanting to upload a new version to bananas could be a good enough reason for a release
23:10:05  <planetmaker> Yexo, I see the problem with the "yet another release". But otoh, I think we bought this issue when we switched opengfx (and zbase) to NML. grfcodec after all also needs an update. And a release for at least 1.3.0-beta1
23:10:08  <Ammler> yep, that would not need a release, would it?
23:10:34  <Ammler> jst saying... :-)
23:10:48  <planetmaker> Ammler, also our CF wouldn't build it correctly, would it?
23:10:57  <planetmaker> as it requires nml-stable
23:11:40  <Ammler> does it, it will just through a warning but the grfs works, doesn't?
23:12:05  <Ammler> well, that was what you said last time :-)
23:13:02  <Ammler> the cf build errored because of me, not because of the missing gui in nml
23:14:35  <Ammler> the current opengfx is also built with the old version
23:14:44  <planetmaker> hm. maybe that works
23:15:13  <Brot6> GRFCodec / NFORenum - Revision 948:53e83b36ef76: -Change: sprite count for Action 5 type 15. XyexoX @
23:15:21  <Ammler> a working nml and opengfx would then be needed for openttd 1.3 beta
23:15:25  <Yexo> thanks for reminding me :)
23:15:34  <planetmaker> he :-)
23:16:24  <Yexo> if opengfx could be build with just a warning from NML I'd rather wait with nml 0.2.5 to just before the 1.3 beta, considering you might want a last opengfx 0.4 at that time perhaps?
23:16:53  <planetmaker> yes, I definitely want one last one
23:17:23  <planetmaker> quite frankly, there's only so few stuff new, that a 0.5 release is... quite bold :-)
23:17:46  <Yexo> what is new?
23:17:52  <Ammler> well, the last opengfx should have been 0.5 already
23:17:56  <Yexo> is there any changelog except the repo history?
23:18:13  <Ammler> would be easier to get that it is not needed for 1.2
23:18:25  <planetmaker> for default branch, I'm afraid, not
23:18:42  <Ammler> gui changes are very essential imo
23:19:01  <Ammler> the red box I mean
23:19:12  <planetmaker> yes, they are essential
23:19:18  <Yexo> a 0.5 release can be easily justified: it wants to use new tools (nml 0.3), so becomes incompatible with openttd 1.1 and older (and chills pp), so a new minor version
23:19:35  <planetmaker> true. And removal of a lot of old cruft
23:19:42  <Ammler> that is more as just bugfix :-P
23:19:44  <planetmaker> like the override sprite(s) etc
23:20:19  <planetmaker> but possibly I should remove the only 32bpp sprites from opengfx again, the explosion... zbase now is 32bpp
23:20:21  <Yexo> and it gives a good reason to stop updating the 0.4 branch after that :)
23:20:42  <Yexo> if the explosion is the only sprite then yes, I think you should consider removing it
23:21:02  <Yexo> but not from the 0.4 branch, no reason to change that one
23:21:04  <Ammler> the exploision is just in the source, isn't?
23:21:08  <planetmaker> yes. Though I might make another 0.4 just before 1.3. Then it's one year officially with grf v8. And people then playing with last stable can also use grf v8
23:21:30  <planetmaker> it is not in 0.4 branch. Just default. IIRC
23:21:47  <Yexo> planetmaker: I was assuming one last 0.4 release just before openttd 1.3, that would coincide with a (most likely last) nml 0.2 release
23:21:51  <Ammler> could also be nice to have still compatible v7 for 1.3
23:22:12  <planetmaker> that makes sense, Yexo. And you mean 1.3. Not 1.3.0-beta1, right?
23:22:15  <Yexo> Ammler: if the version is made just before the 1.3 beta it'll be compatible with 1.3
23:22:34  <Yexo> I was thinking of beta1, but could be before the final (or before the branch maybe?)
23:23:02  <planetmaker> possibly that, yes. But really depends on activity / need, I'd say.
23:23:15  <Yexo> yes
23:23:33  <Yexo> I want nml 0.3.0 definitely before openttd 1.3.0-beta1
23:23:38  <planetmaker> :-)
23:23:51  <Yexo> going to send a forum pm to Hirundo now
23:23:51  <Ammler> and you will make a opengfx release then too?
23:24:00  <planetmaker> anyway, if opengfx builds w/o nml update and release, I'll just release it this way
23:24:26  <planetmaker> though... might need to look at min revision. and disable that (again)
23:25:23  <Yexo> if it needs nml 0.2.5, we can release it this weekend, if not: all the better
23:25:42  <planetmaker> agreed. I shall check that tomorrow
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23:30:21  <Yexo> again, good night :)
23:30:38  <planetmaker> yup, good night now indeed :-)
23:31:25  <Ammler> planetmaker: are you done with opengfx 0.4, I might clone it and test it before you make the release
23:31:32  <Ammler> just to be sure the branch works now
23:31:47  <Ammler> or you could
23:32:05  <planetmaker> please go ahead. I think you might need to revert the version check. I won't test the next 16 hours
23:32:33  <planetmaker> as... -> bed. So good night indeed
23:33:42  <Ammler> ok, test is running...
23:36:46  <Ammler> oh, queue
23:36:48  <Ammler> there is zbase
23:37:57  <Ammler> so it be half past one :-P

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