Log for #openttdcoop.devzone on 18th March 2013:
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12:53:56  <Brot6> GRFCodec / NFORenum - Bug #5291 (New): $LDOPT not used when compiling endian_check XmatthijsX @
14:18:14  <Brot6> NewGRF Meta Language - Bug #5294 (Confirmed): Houses require next_anim_frame callback to be set XplanetmakerX @
14:20:32  <Brot6> isr: compile of r76 failed -
14:20:59  <Brot6> Industrial Stations Renewal - Revision 76:172e42affa8f: Codechange: Update mineral silo and mineral ... Xmart3pX @
15:25:46  <dihedral> @seen Ammler
15:25:46  <Webster> dihedral: Ammler was last seen in #openttdcoop.devzone 16 hours, 4 minutes, and 22 seconds ago: <Ammler> ok, grf2html should be available soon again
16:08:47  <Brot6> isr: compile of r77 failed -
16:09:27  <Brot6> Industrial Stations Renewal - Revision 77:2d67aaf84a7a: Codechange: Update grain silo and separate s... Xmart3pX @
16:10:12  <planetmaker> michi_cc, not entirely... some newgrf build scripts want it :-) They'd need changing in that case
16:10:21  <planetmaker> (see isr)
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17:20:07  <Brot6> firs: update from r3448 to r3452 done (34 warnings) -
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19:12:45  <Brot6> Webtranslator - Feature Request #5297 (New): Allow creation of new translation XplanetmakerX @
19:13:12  <andythenorth> fair point
19:14:05  <Brot6> Webtranslator - Feature Request #5192 (Closed): Projects without translation language could have a "... XandythenorthX @
19:15:56  <Brot6> Webtranslator - Code Review #5300 (New): Compress view for language overview XplanetmakerX @
19:20:26  <Brot6> Webtranslator - Code Review #5303 (New): "Send all strings" vs "Commit change(s)" XplanetmakerX @
19:22:02  <Brot6> Webtranslator - Feature Request #5306 (New): Project descriptions XplanetmakerX @
19:22:20  <Supercheese> Should there be a way to mark a string as "intentionally left untranslated"? I.e. English strings that work for all UK, US, AU, etc. Englishes?
19:22:55  <andythenorth> yes, there's an idea to do that, but I'm hazy on the details
19:23:16  <Supercheese> It's very relevant to my FIRS translation efforts :P
19:23:19  <planetmaker> I think it's not needed. While that would work for cases you mention, a simple "copy" button would do...
19:23:25  <planetmaker> which... actually is a good feature request :D
19:23:52  <Supercheese> Well, I was thinking of omitting strings that don't need translation from the .lng
19:23:59  <Brot6> Webtranslator - Code Review #5303: "Send all strings" vs "Commit change(s)" XandythenorthX @
19:23:59  <Brot6> Webtranslator - Feature Request #5306: Project descriptions XandythenorthX @
19:24:22  <Supercheese> but eh, they could also be included as untranslated, no appreciable difference
19:24:47  <Supercheese> whatever you guys decide :)
19:25:00  <andythenorth> english us and au are a bit special case-ish
19:25:02  <Brot6> Webtranslator - Feature Request #5309 (New): copy button in edit string view XplanetmakerX @
19:25:09  <planetmaker> for the end user not. For ease of handling in the translator: a lot as you then don't need the concept of "untranslatable"
19:25:29  <planetmaker> and a special case just for dialects is... lot of work for little gain
19:25:38  <planetmaker> and strings come also cheap in terms of grf size
19:25:47  <Supercheese> There's probably many satisfactory ways to handle it
19:25:54  <Supercheese> pick the easiest to code :)
19:26:08  <planetmaker> easiest certainly is no untranslatable strings, I think. But not my pick :-)
19:26:44  <Supercheese> "String does not need translation, copy over" or whatnot
19:27:00  <planetmaker> yeah. that's the copy button I suggest. Thus a translator just copies. done
19:27:05  <Supercheese> and yeah, .lng filesize is pretty small
19:27:15  <planetmaker> 32bpp 4x zoom is bigger ;-)
19:27:24  <Supercheese> tell me about it :|
19:27:27  <planetmaker> :D
19:27:44  <Supercheese> I've still been too lazy to bother with it
19:27:50  <Supercheese> despite having large renders hanging about
19:29:14  <planetmaker> btw, Supercheese, if you need a machine to render stuff with blender... we can provide you with a VM to do the heavy stuff
19:29:19  <planetmaker> you just need to script it
19:29:44  <Supercheese> I use sketchup, not blender
19:29:45  <planetmaker> xotic did that for ogfx+trains.
19:30:01  <planetmaker> dunno whether that's available for linux. Thus would otherwise not work then :-)
19:30:10  <Supercheese> I also don't use linux :P
19:30:16  <Supercheese> but I guess the farm does?
19:30:22  <Supercheese> compile farm*
19:30:25  <Supercheese> unix?
19:30:28  <planetmaker> well... :-) yes, devzone and related servers all do
19:30:29  <Supercheese> whatever
19:30:49  <planetmaker> and we have one VM with blender which we can give access to people who use it for making newgrfs
19:31:18  <planetmaker> so that they don't need to have their own machine run through the night or so... the server runs anyway. could do something useful ;-)
19:31:40  <Supercheese> TBH I don't even use sketchup render function, I printscreen :O
19:31:52  <Supercheese> probably horribly inefficient, but meh
19:32:10  <Supercheese> it refuses to render with a transparent background anyway
19:35:41  <Brot6> Webtranslator - Bug #5312 (New): Link back to project page XplanetmakerX @
19:36:54  <planetmaker> andythenorth, should I have duplicated any existing issue, please forgive me. I just create now a new issue for each thing I somewhat stumble over :-)
19:37:09  <andythenorth> yeah just splurge
19:37:13  <andythenorth> we can always close
19:37:16  <planetmaker> ^^
19:37:37  <andythenorth> there is a link in most pages, but it's not identified as a link
19:37:43  <andythenorth> click on the project name in the page heading
19:38:57  <planetmaker> oh, indeed. I would never have noticed
19:39:02  <andythenorth> it's too subtle
19:39:18  <planetmaker> main menu bar imho
19:39:43  <andythenorth> it might fail with a lot of projects
19:39:47  <andythenorth> but a drop-down menu?
19:39:50  <planetmaker> what?
19:40:09  <planetmaker> No, I don't want a link back to *every* project. Just the one I currently edit
19:40:25  <andythenorth> so the destination changes according to context?
19:40:33  <andythenorth> 'project overview' or such
19:40:33  <planetmaker> the others are not of interest then. or reached via the "projects" page. Yes
19:40:52  <planetmaker> the link would be different for each project. To its specific overview
19:42:04  <andythenorth> k
19:42:36  <planetmaker> would e.g. be helpful especially for you. You could fix some small stuff everywhere. And then download all translations or so
19:44:35  <planetmaker> but I'm really impressed how it looks and works, andythenorth
19:44:39  <planetmaker> feels very nice
19:44:44  <andythenorth> the look is mostly down to bootstrap :P
19:44:46  <planetmaker> and looks even better
19:44:48  <andythenorth> and a few nice tweaks
19:44:54  <andythenorth>
19:44:55  <Webster> Title: Bootstrap (at
19:44:58  <andythenorth> not my work ;)
19:45:07  <planetmaker> your choice ;-)
19:45:25  <andythenorth> hmm, you've given me some ideas for improvements
19:51:33  <Brot6> Webtranslator - Feature Request #5315 (New): "Upload language file" XplanetmakerX @
19:51:35  <planetmaker> not sure I made myself sufficiently clear there
19:52:10  <planetmaker> currently it seems that upload overwrites the langID which the file happens to have. That might be unwanted. And hard to undo (how?)
19:52:31  <planetmaker> so an "upload language file" for an individual language in the two locations mentioned there would likely be good
19:52:58  <planetmaker> would also give translators the option to download file and then upload as a whole after finishing translation
20:02:21  <Brot6> Webtranslator - Bug #5318 (New): Don't replace correct strings with incorrect ones XplanetmakerX @
20:04:19  <Brot6> Webtranslator - Feature Request #5318 (New): Do not replace correct strings with incorrect ones XplanetmakerX @
20:04:19  <Brot6> Webtranslator - Feature Request #5318: Do not replace correct strings with incorrect ones XplanetmakerX @
20:07:40  <Brot6> Webtranslator - Feature Request #5318 (New): Allow to verify / review updates via file upload before... XplanetmakerX @
20:07:41  <Brot6> Webtranslator - Feature Request #5318: Allow to verify / review updates via file upload before comit... XplanetmakerX @
20:28:38  <Brot6> Webtranslator - Bug #5321 (New): "just now ago" XplanetmakerX @
20:29:51  <Brot6> Webtranslator - Revision 174:04652b5c9557: Changed: improved layout of page headers within context o... XandythenorthX @
20:30:49  <planetmaker> :-)
20:31:17  <Brot6> Webtranslator - Bug #5321: "just now ago" XplanetmakerX @
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21:31:55  <Brot6> FISH - Feature #5324 (New): Check auto-refit is being handled correctly XandythenorthX @
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