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00:57:17  <Brot6> Feature #6366 (New): GP9 Sprites - HH and LH XDanMacKX @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/6366
01:32:24  <Brot6> Feature #6366: GP9 Sprites - HH and LH XDanMacKX @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/6366#change-17324
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02:15:04  <Brot6> Feature #6367 (New): SD40-2 Sprites and info XDanMacKX @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/6367
02:16:17  <DevZone> Project Fake Subways build #4-push: SUCCESS in 24 sec: https://jenkins.openttdcoop.org/job/fake-subways/4/
02:31:45  <Brot6> Revision 5:2057d6b5a91e: Enable automatic eints translation commits XSupercheeseX @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/fake-subways/repository/revisions/2057d6b5a91e
03:02:22  <George> planetmaker: you have to fill in translations for ALL cases of that string. > that string should not have cases
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08:15:50  <Brot6> Bug #6368 (Confirmed): project not showing up: "Polish PKP Set 2.0" XplanetmakerX @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/6368
08:16:33  <^Spike^> planetmaker: seems really busy... for being away... ;)
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08:37:59  <Brot6> Bug #6368: project not showing up: "Polish PKP Set 2.0" XTransportmanX @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/6368#change-17325
09:18:21  <juzza1> https://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/friss/repository doesn't match local
09:18:33  <juzza1> nothing i pushed 8 hours ago is showing
09:21:18  <^Spike^> ....
09:21:31  <^Spike^> i can't really login from here to do/check stuff...
09:21:41  <^Spike^> i will be able when i get home...
09:22:53  <^Spike^> nothing wrong with the loop
09:22:58  <^Spike^> that's all i cna check
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09:26:33  <juzza1> i guess the stuff is there, but is not showing on the web page... pardon me for my jargon :D
09:26:50  <^Spike^> i just checked that part :)
09:27:03  <juzza1> ok :)
09:28:04  <Brot6> repository /home/hg/frissrails registered in Redmine with url /home/hg/frissrails
09:28:05  <Brot6> repository /home/hg/frissrails created
09:29:12  <dihedral> friss?
09:29:42  <dihedral> as in eat?
09:29:44  <oskari89> Finnish Rail Infrastructure & Stations Set
09:29:49  <oskari89> :)
09:30:08  <oskari89> I heard that before (friss = eat) :D
09:30:16  <Brot6> Membership #6369 (New): Applying as translator XjuanjoX @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/6369
09:30:59  <dihedral> i really dislike the double X around the nick names when Brot6 has something to say :-(
09:33:09  <oskari89> Triple X....
09:33:12  <oskari89> :P
09:35:32  <phatmatt> i was wondering what that was about
09:41:02  <^Spike^> phatmatt: ppl didn't like being highlighted the whole time
09:41:05  <^Spike^> as far as i understood
10:00:44  <V453000> well why should you get highlighted if you actually commited it :D
10:00:45  <dihedral> ^Spike^,
10:00:47  <dihedral> ops
10:02:15  <^Spike^> ?
10:10:58  <dihedral> i wanted to say, ONE PERSON... not plural!!
10:11:15  <dihedral> and I had to ignore the other bot because it was annoying :-P
10:11:22  <dihedral> noone listens to poor old dih
10:11:23  <dihedral> :-D
10:33:25  <^Spike^> ... :D
10:33:33  <^Spike^> DevZone is not spamming so much anymore! :D
10:33:41  <^Spike^> DevZone is nice now! :)
10:33:43  <oskari89> :D
10:33:59  <V453000> :(
10:34:12  <V453000> but but
10:40:25  <dihedral> hudson.dihedral.de is nice too
10:40:43  <Brot6> Feature #6336 (Assigned): Switch: Over 140 km/h does not allow level crossings Xkyosuke1989X @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/6336#change-17333
10:40:43  <Brot6> Feature #6334 (Assigned): Level crossing graphics templating & coding Xkyosuke1989X @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/6334#change-17334
10:40:43  <Brot6> Feature #6333 (Assigned): Sand-based wood sleeper rail and Metro track/narrow gauge track graphics Xkyosuke1989X @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/6333#change-17335
10:41:19  <V453000> nut nut
10:41:23  <oskari89> Spike: Speak of devil :P
10:41:43  <V453000> that istn spam? :d
11:04:55  <^Spike^> that isn't DevZone  :)
11:06:18  <V453000> o
11:09:21  <^Spike^> DevZone == jenkins builds
11:10:27  <dihedral> backups of the openttdcoop server are taking a) to long b) hogging disk resources
11:10:50  <^Spike^> .....
11:11:07  <^Spike^> dihedral: can i check that with you tonight? :)
11:11:15  <^Spike^> atm @ work etc :)
11:11:29  <^Spike^> and need to get something done actually 1 hour ago (for my standards) :)
11:11:33  <^Spike^> writing update plans... great! :)
11:11:46  <V453000> http://www.explosm.net/comics/3272/ :D
11:11:47  <Webster> Title: Cyanide & Happiness #3272 - Explosm.net (at www.explosm.net)
11:13:05  <dihedral> ^Spike^, i am not available this evening
11:13:23  <dihedral> i only see they are taking 3 times as long as they use to
11:14:38  <dihedral> 35 hours
11:15:31  <^Spike^> hmmmm
11:15:37  <^Spike^> somewhere this week? :)
11:15:54  <^Spike^> cause i want to know what gets backed up etc who/what/where :)
11:16:01  <^Spike^> pulling i over the VPN tunnel?
11:16:04  <^Spike^> it*
11:17:53  <dihedral> ssh
11:17:57  <dihedral> \/
11:17:58  <dihedral> /
11:18:13  <dihedral> vm in my infrastructure
11:18:24  <dihedral> nightly - or rather 35hourly
11:18:26  <dihedral> grrr
11:18:28  <^Spike^> will talk about it later :)
11:18:39  <^Spike^> cause i think you baiscly backup everything...
11:18:55  <^Spike^> and that only a limited number of stuff should be backed up
11:19:12  <dihedral> i backup everything - aye :-P
11:20:13  <dihedral> i was already wondering if my raid array was broken until i found out the disk hogg was the backup for you guys :-P
11:20:20  <dihedral> using all the iops the server can give
11:20:29  <dihedral> everything else slows down that way too
11:23:38  <oskari89> That gives the error for not able to push?
11:23:46  <oskari89> I see :P
11:23:54  <^Spike^> dihedral: we'll talk about that... cause i want to limit what is backed up
11:24:01  <^Spike^> cause we only need several things... and not everything :D
11:24:15  <^Spike^> why would you backup libs... :)
11:25:22  <^Spike^> but we'll talk about it...
11:25:28  * ^Spike^ goes writing the rest of the plan :)
11:32:40  <Brot6> Membership #6369 (Closed): Applying as translator XjuanjoX @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/6369
11:32:41  <Brot6> Membership #6369 (Closed): Applying as translator XplanetmakerX @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/6369#change-17336
11:35:49  <dihedral> ^Spike^, worst case scenario - everything is lost, that way you can restore everything again
11:36:03  <dihedral> within 35 hours :-D
11:36:15  <^Spike^> that's what i mean... 35 hours is a long time....
11:36:44  <^Spike^> i rather have some servers completely lost and start over cause they are not so important... and they take <1 day to setup
11:36:54  <^Spike^> rather then having everything ready to go... and way too old
11:37:31  <dihedral> my systems backup within minutes
11:37:48  <^Spike^> well if i lose a teamspeak server... so be it... :)
11:37:58  <^Spike^> mysql... well /var/lib/mysql is useless with rsyncs
11:38:01  <^Spike^> unless mysql is stopped
11:38:03  <dihedral> but i shall stop the process for now and we can chat about the procedure ;-)
11:38:09  <^Spike^> that's wy we got dump :)
11:38:13  <V453000> :>
11:38:15  <V453000> ^
11:38:18  <^Spike^> just let them run for now...
11:38:21  <dihedral> i have restored mysql databases with such backups by the way
11:38:23  <dihedral> successfully
11:38:26  <dihedral> no
11:38:53  <^Spike^> well haven't had too great of experiences with file restores...
11:39:14  <dihedral> really? wow
11:39:23  <dihedral> i managed to restore databases multiple times with this stuff :-P
11:39:26  <^Spike^> :)
11:39:26  <dihedral> thankfully :-D
11:39:34  <dihedral> it does have a risk factore :-P
11:39:35  <^Spike^> guess experiences differ :)
11:39:59  <dihedral> i have other databases i only backup with vmware snapshots and was always able to restore
11:40:19  <^Spike^> ghettovcb? ;)
11:42:21  <dihedral> that too - but i just canceled the external nas drive
11:42:29  <dihedral> at work we use Veeam
11:42:39  <^Spike^> ah veeam nice aswell
11:42:42  <^Spike^> use it here aswell
11:42:46  <dihedral> i love it
11:42:48  <^Spike^> for all our vmware/hyper-v
11:43:01  <dihedral> uh - i have no hyper-v :-P
11:43:07  <^Spike^> have both here...
11:43:13  <^Spike^> we seem to be microsoft gold partner... :)
11:43:28  <dihedral> but only so that you can get the software cheap ey?
11:43:39  <^Spike^> ehm... not really.. :)
11:43:48  <^Spike^> seems we also do mickeysoft azure stuff
11:43:52  <dihedral> that's the only reason we have the action pack abo
11:44:04  <V453000> hyper-v :.
11:44:07  <dihedral> aye
11:44:10  <dihedral> esx ftw
11:44:11  <V453000> :>
11:44:21  <^Spike^> we've also been involved in hp/interxion/mickeysoft azure
11:44:26  <^Spike^> setting up their first cloud
11:44:35  <^Spike^> in eu
12:01:48  <V453000> hm can you guys see the images in the bottom of the page? https://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/nuts/wiki
12:02:19  <V453000> there was a menu type of thing by images, why it isnt working is beyond me atm though
12:03:59  <V453000> oh nvm
12:04:02  <V453000> I had them in dropbox
12:04:03  <V453000> asdf
12:06:50  <^Spike^> :)
12:06:57  <^Spike^> you can also upload them to the wiki
12:07:09  <V453000> yeah doing that now
12:07:19  <V453000> I just had them in the dropbox because I was changing them on the fly I suppose
12:07:23  <V453000> but the wiki is a better place
12:08:58  <Brot6> EXPRESS.png XV453000X @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/attachments/download/5388/EXPRESS.png
12:08:59  <Brot6> CARGO.png XV453000X @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/attachments/download/5389/CARGO.png
12:08:59  <Brot6> RAILTYPES.png XV453000X @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/attachments/download/5390/RAILTYPES.png
12:08:59  <Brot6> OTHER.png XV453000X @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/attachments/download/5391/OTHER.png
12:09:00  <Brot6> USAGE.png XV453000X @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/attachments/download/5392/USAGE.png
12:09:03  <Brot6> WAGONS.png XV453000X @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/attachments/download/5393/WAGONS.png
12:09:58  <V453000> SPAMMM
12:09:59  <V453000> :>
12:11:52  <phatmatt> to prevent highlighting spam, perhaps the names can be 1337ified. that way, only V453000 gets spammed. everybody wins
12:12:00  <^Spike^> :D
12:12:11  <^Spike^> V will be \/453000
12:12:12  <^Spike^> ;)
12:12:27  <phatmatt> ah, the hardcore 1337 variant
12:12:49  <V453000> or 5453000
12:12:55  <V453000> V = 5 in rome
12:12:58  <V453000> also https://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/nuts/wiki/Wiki worky :>
12:13:23  <^Spike^> V but 5 isn't 1337 5p34|< :)
12:14:17  <V453000> dafuq
12:14:24  <phatmatt> \/\/h@+ @ |\|008
12:14:34  <V453000> k you win
12:14:39  <V453000> @#%$^#@@@@^^&****!!!!!!!!!
12:14:42  <V453000> :d
12:14:51  <phatmatt> congrats, you just wrote an OS in perl
12:14:56  <V453000> lol
12:21:57  <^Spike^> :)
14:25:37  <oskari89> V453000: Can you push to repos?
14:25:41  <oskari89> I still cannot
14:25:52  <oskari89> Maybe it's because of that backup
14:27:52  <V453000> not at home atm, cant try atm
14:29:19  <V453000> atm atm
14:36:47  <dihedral> if you do not want to be hilghlighted, there are ways of doing that in your client :)
14:39:02  <V453000> I dont think this was related to highlights :P
14:53:21  <TWerkhoven> ello
14:53:58  <V453000> olle
15:44:54  <Brot6> Revision 40:e8b4c27e9aee: why loop twice when once will suffice XT. WerkhovenX @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/soap/repository/revisions/e8b4c27e9aee
15:49:24  <DevZone> Project Finnish Rail Infrastructure build #21-push: SUCCESS in 42 sec: https://jenkins.openttdcoop.org/job/friss/21/
15:54:42  <Brot6> Revision 59:8985110bb199: Feature: Signal code, signal parameters, swerails rail, level crossings... Xjuzza1X @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/friss/repository/revisions/8985110bb199
15:54:42  <Brot6> Revision 60:79188b4e4c3b: Feature: First playable version 0.0.0.0.0.1 alpha Xjuzza1X @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/friss/repository/revisions/79188b4e4c3b
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16:47:48  <DevZone> Project OpenGFX+ BigGUI build #11-push: SUCCESS in 34 sec: https://jenkins.openttdcoop.org/job/ogfx-biggui/11/
16:48:02  <DevZone> Project Dutch Trainset build #4-push: STILL FAILING in 50 sec: https://jenkins.openttdcoop.org/job/dutchtrains/4/
16:48:30  <DevZone> Project OpenGFX+ Industries build #12-push: SUCCESS in 28 sec: https://jenkins.openttdcoop.org/job/ogfx-industries/12/
16:48:57  <DevZone> Project Fake Subways build #5-push: SUCCESS in 27 sec: https://jenkins.openttdcoop.org/job/fake-subways/5/
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16:51:31  <Brot6> Revision 29:d7070f62ae7e: Update: Translations XeintsX @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/ogfx-biggui/repository/revisions/d7070f62ae7e
16:51:31  <Brot6> Revision 237:ead552dc74d0: Update: Translations XeintsX @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/ogfx-landscape/repository/revisions/ead552dc74d0
16:51:31  <Brot6> Revision 145:b995e6328772: Update: Translations XeintsX @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/ogfx-industries/repository/revisions/b995e6328772
16:53:17  <Brot6> Feature #6370 (New): Sprites for 4-4-0 XDanMacKX @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/6370
16:57:34  <DevZone> Project Finnish Rail Infrastructure build #22-push: SUCCESS in 28 sec: https://jenkins.openttdcoop.org/job/friss/22/
17:01:23  <Brot6> Feature #6370 (New): Sprites for Brit 4-4-0 XDanMacKX @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/6370
17:03:51  <oskari89> Wth
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17:04:09  <oskari89> I cannot push Finnish Trainset repo
17:04:10  <Brot6> Revision 670:6476085a6169: Update: Translations XeintsX @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/dutchtrains/repository/revisions/6476085a6169
17:04:11  <Brot6> Revision 6:ab051df99593: Update: Translations XeintsX @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/fake-subways/repository/revisions/ab051df99593
17:04:23  <oskari89> But i can to Finnish Rail Infrastructure repo
17:04:40  <oskari89> Coiuld someone check if it's broken?
17:04:45  <oskari89> *could
17:05:14  <Brot6> Revision 61:74ec3cd1293c: Shunting signals Xkyosuke1989X @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/friss/repository/revisions/74ec3cd1293c
17:05:35  <Alberth> ^Spike^:  ^^
17:06:27  <^Spike^> hmmmm
17:06:39  <^Spike^> oskari89 is that also your devzone name?
17:06:50  <oskari89> that is kyosuke1989
17:07:56  <^Spike^> both friss work...
17:08:03  <^Spike^> but finnish railset fails?
17:08:11  <oskari89> Yeah
17:08:17  <^Spike^> can you try again?
17:08:27  <oskari89> Yeah
17:08:29  <^Spike^> if it works now some ppl need to learn proper roles/permissions...
17:08:46  <oskari89> Nope
17:08:49  <^Spike^> hmmm
17:08:55  <oskari89> It just gives infinite "password" screens
17:09:08  <oskari89> And if i type it right or wrong, does not help at all
17:09:21  <^Spike^> if you go to https://push.openttdcoop.org/finnishtrainset
17:09:23  <^Spike^> with your browser
17:09:24  <^Spike^> and login
17:09:27  <^Spike^> what does it do/say?
17:09:53  <oskari89> Where is login button? :)
17:10:06  <oskari89> summary is all right
17:10:10  <^Spike^> hmmm
17:10:14  <^Spike^> wierd....
17:10:20  <^Spike^> it used to give a password prompt
17:10:25  <^Spike^> now it doesn't ....
17:10:27  <oskari89> Does not give
17:10:46  <oskari89> I'm logged in openttdcoop
17:10:53  <oskari89> DevZone
17:10:56  <oskari89> Does it count
17:11:00  <^Spike^> nop
17:11:05  <^Spike^> cause it should for basic auth login
17:11:10  <DevZone> Project OpenGFX+ Landscape build #5-push: SUCCESS in 23 min: https://jenkins.openttdcoop.org/job/ogfx-landscape/5/
17:11:27  <oskari89> Okay
17:11:28  <oskari89> Strange
17:12:02  <^Spike^> and this one:
17:12:03  <^Spike^> https://push.openttdcoop.org/
17:12:03  <^Spike^> ?
17:12:23  <oskari89> It gives auth screen
17:12:27  <oskari89> Logig
17:12:30  <oskari89> *login
17:12:33  <^Spike^> and if you login?
17:13:11  <oskari89> It gives the login screen again and again
17:13:32  <^Spike^> hmmm
17:13:37  <^Spike^> strange...
17:13:57  <oskari89> It is
17:19:36  <DevZone> Project NML - NewGRF Meta Language build #48-nightlies: SUCCESS in 1 min 5 sec: https://jenkins.openttdcoop.org/job/nml/48/
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17:39:47  <Brot6> Bug #6368 (Closed): project not showing up: "Polish PKP Set 2.0" XplanetmakerX @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/6368
17:39:47  <Brot6> Revision 278:094e0b0fa362: Fix: Also allow dots and slashes in project names. Fixes #6368 XAlberthX @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/eints/repository/revisions/094e0b0fa362
17:39:47  <Brot6> Bug #6368 (Closed): project not showing up: "Polish PKP Set 2.0" XAlberthX @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/6368#change-17338
17:44:52  <Brot6> Bug #6356: validation issue... XAlberthX @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/6356#change-17339
17:53:59  <DevZone> Project Finnish Rail Infrastructure build #23-push: SUCCESS in 27 sec: https://jenkins.openttdcoop.org/job/friss/23/
17:58:17  <Brot6> Revision 62:84249d4d61f4: Metro signals Xkyosuke1989X @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/friss/repository/revisions/84249d4d61f4
18:05:17  <TWerkhoven> is there a reliable way to make openttd crash?
18:06:13  <TWerkhoven> i need to crash my testserver to check up on a possible bug
18:09:03  <Alberth> find the process ID (pid) of the process, then type   kill -FPE <pid>
18:09:14  <TWerkhoven> ta
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18:11:10  <Alberth> moin
18:11:29  <frosch123> hola
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18:30:48  <DevZone> Project Nutracks build #6-nightlies: SUCCESS in 16 sec: https://jenkins.openttdcoop.org/job/nutracks/6/
18:34:41  <DevZone> Project Shanghai Maglev Trackset build #5-nightlies: SUCCESS in 9.2 sec: https://jenkins.openttdcoop.org/job/smts/5/
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18:47:16  <frosch123> Alberth: i had an idea about making some strings not translatable
18:47:37  <frosch123> one could add some comments to the base language like
18:47:46  <frosch123> #eints off
18:47:48  <frosch123> #eints on
18:48:00  <frosch123> all stuff in between would be considered comment by eints
18:48:17  <frosch123> and only get reexported for the base language
18:48:29  <frosch123> but not to the translations, resp considered as string at all
18:48:41  <andythenorth> that could work
18:48:47  <andythenorth> or I could mangle my compiler to do evil
18:48:54  <andythenorth> or we could teach nml to do evil
18:48:57  <Brot6> Revision 279:341575def5e6: Fix: There is a third place for the name validation. Fixes #6368 XfroschX @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/eints/repository/revisions/341575def5e6
18:49:57  <Alberth> frosch123: https://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/4385 was my attempt
18:50:34  <frosch123> that modifies the langfile semantics though
18:50:57  <Alberth> I would like to keep nml and eints in sync about semantics of the language files
18:51:12  <Alberth> or it will get complicated at some point
18:51:16  <frosch123> well, i tought that #eints would be considered a comment by nml
18:51:36  <frosch123> so only eints would act upon it
18:52:02  <frosch123> i don't see why strings not meant for translation would be of interest for nml?
18:52:12  <frosch123> or does it print warning about missing ones? or something like that?
18:52:41  <Alberth> yeah it would work, but two tools with different ideas about meaning of strings is asking for trouble, imho
18:53:45  <Alberth> ie nml will happily accept translated versions of such strings
18:54:26  <frosch123> pkpset is up now btw
18:54:58  <Alberth> good, I added the last 2 characters you could consider useful for names :)
18:55:06  <George> planetmaker: I'm confused ith eints' translation.
18:55:10  <frosch123> :p
18:55:25  <George> who said it should have all these forms in russian?
18:55:26  <George> STR_2TE116U_PURCHASE_HINT
18:57:01  <George> and why should it start from space?
18:57:53  <George> whay there was 130 invalid strings yesterday, but only 70 today?
18:58:17  <frosch123> the colour codes etc. are no longer required to match
18:58:20  <frosch123> or something like that
18:58:32  <George> but only 3 changed in the last commit?
18:58:54  <Alberth> I relaxed the requirements somewhat  https://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/6356
19:00:32  <George> and how can I see the list of strings with warnings but not errors?
19:01:19  <Alberth> hmm, not sure if that's possible currently
19:01:26  <Brot6> Bug #6356: validation issue... XGeorgeX @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/6356#change-17340
19:01:27  <DevZone> Project Finnish Rail Infrastructure build #24-push: SUCCESS in 28 sec: https://jenkins.openttdcoop.org/job/friss/24/
19:03:05  <Brot6> Feature #6336 (Closed): Switch: Over 140 km/h does not allow level crossings Xjuzza1X @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/6336#change-17341
19:03:05  <Brot6> Feature #6334 (Closed): Level crossing graphics templating & coding Xjuzza1X @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/6334#change-17342
19:03:36  <Alberth> George: thanks. Is that string still incorrect?
19:04:08  <Brot6> Feature #4640 (Closed): Signalling graphics update and futher developing Xkyosuke1989X @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/4640#change-17343
19:04:28  <Alberth> both strings seems to have the same set of colour commands now
19:04:54  <George> No, because someone did this commit http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/xussrset/repository/revisions/a0bed66e5e6b
19:05:24  <George> this was my first question
19:05:29  <frosch123> that commit contains a lot of empty string for cases btw
19:05:44  <George> That confuses me!
19:05:52  <George> That was my question
19:06:00  <George> very strange commit
19:06:36  <Alberth> indeed
19:07:36  <Brot6> Revision 63:b5b3e58cdf60: OJ2010-signals Xkyosuke1989X @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/friss/repository/revisions/b5b3e58cdf60
19:09:27  <Alberth> the bottom one is even stranger, unless someone pasted the string in all cases
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19:13:06  <George> May be eints could write who did the translation?
19:13:45  <Alberth> yeah, it's one of the points that needs addressing
19:14:22  <Alberth> you can see it at the string-change page though, where it lists existing translations, including who changed it
19:15:22  <frosch123> STR_2TE116U_PURCHASE_HINT was changed 09/Sep/2013 21:16:29
19:15:25  <frosch123> if that helps you
19:15:31  <frosch123> i do not know by whom though
19:15:39  <frosch123> but eints should know that
19:15:57  <George> Translation created by "planetmaker" (21 hours ago)
19:16:56  <frosch123> so he tested something :)
19:18:18  <George> And what are results?
19:18:53  <Alberth> I don't know
19:19:30  <George> Alberth: Do I need to add you as translator?
19:20:05  <Alberth> could be helpful, so I can look at the strings and copy them for my own tests
19:21:06  <George> Do I need to add frosch123 too?
19:24:28  <George> Alberth: I've added you, please check
19:25:16  <Alberth> works, thanks
19:28:55  <Alberth> so the question is, did pm add these empty strings?
19:29:25  <Alberth> I think there is only one person who knows that and he is not here :(
19:29:42  <George> I can't check the logs :D
19:33:23  <frosch123> Alberth: i just tested on my vm
19:33:43  <frosch123> i entered a translation for one case, pressed "save" and it also saved all others
19:34:01  <frosch123> so, it added empty ones
19:34:27  <Alberth> that is a bug thus
19:34:53  <Alberth> but it should add all cases imho, as a user may have changed several of them
19:35:11  <frosch123> what does the "reset all strings" button do?
19:35:45  <Alberth> it is a HTML feature that erases all your changes, afaik
19:36:01  <frosch123> ah
19:36:04  <Alberth> the 'cancel' or 'reset' function or so
19:36:11  <frosch123> so it does not post anything
19:36:24  <Alberth> it shouldn't  :)
19:36:24  <frosch123> anyway, i think the overall list could be something compressed :p
19:37:10  <frosch123> four screen heights of scrolling for a single string is a bit much
19:37:22  <frosch123> maybe we can poke andythenorth with that :)
19:38:56  <andythenorth> url?
19:39:40  <Alberth> string modification screen, in particular for a languages with many cases, like russian
19:40:40  <andythenorth> meh
19:40:43  <andythenorth> no access rights :)
19:40:53  <Alberth> me neither :(
19:41:06  <frosch123> i add you to eints-test
19:41:09  <frosch123> it also has russian
19:42:00  <andythenorth> I can't even get into FIRS :)
19:42:03  <andythenorth> I should look into that :P
19:42:24  <frosch123> yeah, we might need to add a second role to eints
19:42:32  <frosch123> or everyone has to become translation manager
19:42:34  <Alberth> what is the OWNER set to? apparently not Manager (for andy) and not developer (for me)
19:42:45  <frosch123> https://translator.openttdcoop.org/string/eints-test/ru_RU/STR_CARGO_NAME_ALCOHOL
19:42:52  <frosch123> Alberth: "Translation Manager"
19:43:03  <frosch123> i added you both to eints-test
19:43:16  <andythenorth> ok so issues with that form
19:43:23  <andythenorth> really it doesn't need to repeat the buttons
19:43:36  <frosch123> i think it only needs the string name and base lang text once
19:43:38  <andythenorth> what is translation status 'Omitted'?
19:43:51  <frosch123> then all cases could follow each other directly, without all those fancy borders and history
19:43:56  <frosch123> and a single save button at the bottom
19:44:12  <frosch123> not at every string, that suggests it would only save that one
19:44:21  <andythenorth> would save about 50% of size I think
19:44:48  <andythenorth> can't fix now
19:44:49  <frosch123> also related strings ar eonly needed once
19:44:54  <andythenorth> if you want to try, feel free :)
19:44:56  <Alberth> each string has a change history
19:45:11  <frosch123> yeah, but put that at the bottom, not alternating
19:45:33  <frosch123> the save button is really confusing btw :p it goes directly to the next string, so you have no idea what it actually saved
19:45:37  <frosch123> all are only one
19:45:49  <frosch123> s/are/or/
19:45:50  <Brot6> frosch123 meant: "all or only one"
19:45:59  * frosch123 pats brot6
19:46:07  <Alberth> we need to make issues, it gets too complicated :)
19:46:28  <andythenorth> please :)
19:49:43  <Rubidium> Alberth: no need to make issues, there're about 60 waiting for you at OpenTTD ;)
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19:54:37  <Alberth> I don't think I have fixed that many during my entire openttd dev career, so it may be a bad idea to depend on me to fix them ;)
20:04:27  <frosch123> Error: String name "STR_DESC_CONNEXXION_5001" has no default definition (that is, without case). <- no idea what that means for dutchtramset
20:04:34  <frosch123> english does not have cases :p
20:04:45  <Supercheese> sure we do, for pronouns anyway :P
20:04:57  <Supercheese> and posessives
20:05:04  <frosch123> there is no whitespace between stringid and ":" though
20:05:09  <frosch123> that might be suspicious
20:05:12  <Rubidium> frosch123: it's just the name of a tram (type)
20:05:16  <frosch123> but there is also another string with that issue
20:08:38  <frosch123> ouch
20:09:04  <frosch123> missing \ in front of the stringname-case delimiter
20:09:20  <frosch123> there are some nasty characters in regexes :)
20:13:04  <andythenorth> one day I"ll get an IDE
20:13:18  <andythenorth> my trusty text editor is good, but misses many things
20:13:49  <Alberth> it's a myth that IDEs are any better, I think
20:14:36  <andythenorth> code completion?
20:14:39  <frosch123> it's a myth that there is a best tool for everyone
20:14:43  <andythenorth> open entire projects?
20:14:49  <andythenorth> run pyflakes in the editor?
20:15:15  <frosch123> usually "projects" are the thing that annoy me most about ides :)
20:15:32  <frosch123> it makes it so hard to open unrelated files
20:15:57  <frosch123> multitasking between projects is nearly impossible
20:16:46  <andythenorth> hmm
20:16:50  <frosch123> dutchtramset is fixed \o/
20:16:58  <andythenorth> that's why I always close XCode when it opens :P
20:17:04  <Brot6> Revision 280:6f4a936fd7c9: Fix: Parsing of language files failed if there was no whitespace after... XfroschX @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/eints/repository/revisions/6f4a936fd7c9
20:20:41  <frosch123> andythenorth: basically i am looking for a full featured ide without a project concept :p
20:20:51  <andythenorth> :)
20:21:06  <andythenorth> hmm
20:21:10  * andythenorth rejects BBEdit
20:21:17  <andythenorth> I'd have to set my text colours up again
20:21:17  <frosch123> currently i am at geany
20:21:18  <andythenorth> cba
20:21:41  <frosch123> but it has a hard time with switching between space indenting for eints and tab indenting for ottd :p
20:22:35  <andythenorth> perennial problem :(
20:22:47  <andythenorth> should be a commit hook in git or something :P
20:29:49  <Brot6> Bug #6371 (New): Editing of cases XfroschX @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/6371
20:30:04  <DevZone> Project Iron Horse build #72-push: SUCCESS in 33 sec: https://jenkins.openttdcoop.org/job/iron-horse/72/
20:30:24  <Alberth> gvim can handle different code styles based on directory of the file :p
20:30:59  <DevZone> Project Iron Horse build #73-push: SUCCESS in 20 sec: https://jenkins.openttdcoop.org/job/iron-horse/73/
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20:36:24  <Brot6> Revision 74:8aed2c9f4767: Codechange: figured out the schema for wagon ids, applied it to box_car XandythenorthX @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/iron-horse/repository/revisions/8aed2c9f4767
20:36:24  <Brot6> Revision 75:d1d7231fcf0e: Codechange: strictly the file will contain box_cars not box_car so rena... XandythenorthX @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/iron-horse/repository/revisions/d1d7231fcf0e
20:36:24  <Brot6> Revision 76:0b6a3fa8b234: Codechange: strictly all files containing wagons will define multiple w... XandythenorthX @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/iron-horse/repository/revisions/0b6a3fa8b234
20:36:34  <andythenorth> see me and my commits
20:36:44  * Alberth sees
20:37:09  <Alberth> keeping jenkins busy :)
20:37:58  <andythenorth> has to work for a living
20:38:14  <Brot6> Bug #6372 (New): Edit page for string with cases is way too long XfroschX @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/6372
20:38:50  <DevZone> Project Iron Horse build #75-push: FAILURE in 12 sec: https://jenkins.openttdcoop.org/job/iron-horse/75/
20:39:01  <frosch123> andythenorth: FAILURE!
20:39:35  <andythenorth> :(
20:39:47  <andythenorth> ho ho
20:39:49  <frosch123> the bot should be more barky :p
20:39:58  <Alberth> good night
20:40:01  <andythenorth> that will teach me to not compile :P
20:40:03  <andythenorth> bye Alberth
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20:42:53  <DevZone> Yippie, build fixed!
20:42:54  <DevZone> Project Iron Horse build #76-push: FIXED in 24 sec: https://jenkins.openttdcoop.org/job/iron-horse/76/
20:43:48  <Brot6> Revision 41:2c0b8de6a785: code optimizations XT. WerkhovenX @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/soap/repository/revisions/2c0b8de6a785
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20:53:37  <andythenorth> ho ho
20:53:46  <andythenorth> 'sort by last modified' http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/iron-horse/push/?C=M;O=D
20:53:49  <Brot6> Revision 77:233ba8822e79: Codechange: apply wagon id schema to covered hopper car XandythenorthX @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/iron-horse/repository/revisions/233ba8822e79
20:53:49  <Brot6> Revision 78:adb9edfbfc69: Fix: missing file, missing entry in global constants - both for covered... XandythenorthX @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/iron-horse/repository/revisions/adb9edfbfc69
20:53:49  <Brot6> Revision 79:aa0d1adaa36a: Fix: covered hopper car missing from buy menu order XandythenorthX @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/iron-horse/repository/revisions/aa0d1adaa36a
20:53:51  <Brot6> Revision 80:30c62ca04a3f: Codechange: use id schema for tank car XandythenorthX @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/iron-horse/repository/revisions/30c62ca04a3f
20:53:54  <Brot6> Revision 81:c1a413ec09bb: Codechange: use id schema for mail car XandythenorthX @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/iron-horse/repository/revisions/c1a413ec09bb
20:53:57  <Brot6> Revision 82:7547d7fac7ef: Codechange: apply id schema to passenger car XandythenorthX @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/iron-horse/repository/revisions/7547d7fac7ef
20:54:03  <andythenorth> bah commit storm
20:54:14  <andythenorth> bundles view has interesting definition of dates :P
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20:59:16  <Brot6> Revision 21:53b0382abc85: ZOOM-X2 graphics for Ty2 updated, Russian translation added XTadeuszDX @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/pkpset/repository/revisions/53b0382abc85
20:59:16  <Brot6> Revision 22:84518da4c777: New config file for translations XTadeuszDX @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/pkpset/repository/revisions/84518da4c777
20:59:35  <frosch123> andythenorth: don't mess with the time :p
20:59:46  <andythenorth> moi?
20:59:46  <andythenorth> :P
21:02:36  <^Spike^> frosch123 did logrotate work now? :D
21:03:09  <frosch123> yes
21:03:24  <frosch123> i have no logged errors currently which have not been fixed
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21:04:47  <frosch123> ^Spike^: that means the admin-roles are raising in priority :p
21:05:42  <^Spike^> heheh
21:06:46  <DevZone> Project Iron Horse build #81-push: SUCCESS in 20 sec: https://jenkins.openttdcoop.org/job/iron-horse/81/
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21:11:20  <^Spike^> not what i expected yesterday but well
21:11:31  <Brot6> Revision 83:25500a54dafe: Change: have box_car refit to WHEA, GRAI, MAIZ XandythenorthX @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/iron-horse/repository/revisions/25500a54dafe
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21:17:38  <Brot6> Revision 42:493f7334c05d: remove some surplus comments XT. WerkhovenX @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/soap/repository/revisions/493f7334c05d
21:28:12  <Brot6> Revision 64:8ce6b688671f: Feature: Tunnel (testing phase), fixed a bug where no trains could run ... Xjuzza1X @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/friss/repository/revisions/8ce6b688671f
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21:58:23  <andythenorth> good night
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