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00:47:23  <stevenh> Morning all...
00:47:38  <stevenh> Does anyone know how to get a GRF on devzone to start being built as a nightly?
00:47:48  <Supercheese> Apply for membership (lemme dig the link)
00:48:09  <stevenh> i'm manager of the grf
00:48:16  <Supercheese> Ah, nevermind then
00:48:35  <Supercheese> You should have a folder called ".devzone"
00:48:43  <Supercheese> within that a "build" folder
00:48:52  <Supercheese> and "nightlies"
00:49:10  <Supercheese> such as: https://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/heqs/repository/show/.devzone/build/nightlies
00:49:31  <Supercheese> just a blank file titled "enable" in there should do the trick
00:52:38  <stevenh> thanks!
00:58:46  <stevenh> Any pointers to speeding up the repository? (Just in case I'm doing something wrong...)
00:59:24  <Supercheese> There's a bit of lag, you have to wait for pushes to build. Of course nightlies won't happen right away
01:01:00  <stevenh> yup yup... no idea what timezone they're kicking off in
01:32:32  <stevenh> thanks again Supercheese!
01:32:53  <Supercheese> You're welcome :)
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08:05:46  <DevZone> Project jptrains build #1-push: SUCCESS in 23 sec: https://jenkins.openttdcoop.org/job/jptrains/1/
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10:11:12  <DevZone> Yippee, build fixed!
10:11:13  <DevZone> Project OpenGFX+ Airports build #25-push: FIXED in 49 sec: https://jenkins.openttdcoop.org/job/airportsplus/25/
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16:51:13  <DevZone> Project xussrset - Trains from Russia build #75-push: SUCCESS in 3 min 45 sec: https://jenkins.openttdcoop.org/job/xussrset/75/
16:52:08  <DevZone> Project OpenGFX+ Industries build #63-push: FAILURE in 54 sec: https://jenkins.openttdcoop.org/job/ogfx-industries/63/
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16:55:00  <DevZone> Project OpenGFX+ BigGUI build #24-push: SUCCESS in 2 min 19 sec: https://jenkins.openttdcoop.org/job/ogfx-biggui/24/
16:56:57  <DevZone> Project ISR Industrial Station Renewal build #54-push: SUCCESS in 1 min 56 sec: https://jenkins.openttdcoop.org/job/isr/54/
17:05:56  <DevZone> Project OpenGFX+ Trains build #12-push: SUCCESS in 18 min: https://jenkins.openttdcoop.org/job/ogfx-trains/12/
17:14:26  <planetmaker> hm... eints unfixes scotish gaelic in ogfx-industries
17:27:36  <DevZone> Project NML - NewGRF Meta Language build #120-nightlies: SUCCESS in 9 min 29 sec: https://jenkins.openttdcoop.org/job/nml/120/
17:52:52  <frosch123> no errors logged
17:53:04  <frosch123> but some crawler is just trying to read all strings from eints
17:53:11  <planetmaker> he
17:53:11  <frosch123> getting 401 everywhere
17:53:15  <planetmaker> :D
17:53:43  <planetmaker> I wonder why eints re-committed the thing I fixed in gd_GB yesterday
17:54:19  <frosch123> most lkely it did consider them the same
17:54:50  <planetmaker> it's the ... {COMMA} {P a b c} vs. ... {COMMA} {P 1 a b c} issue
17:55:08  <frosch123> well, you could try fixing it again
17:55:16  <frosch123> than we can see what eints reads on upload
17:55:19  <planetmaker> did something change?
17:55:34  <frosch123> what should have changed?
17:56:36  <Alberth> planetmaker: that's the same thing to eints
17:56:46  <planetmaker> I see
17:56:58  <Alberth> ie it follows openttd conventions
17:57:47  <planetmaker> STR_ERR_TOWN_TOO_SMALL
17:57:48  <planetmaker>     (Correct) STR_ERR_TOWN_TOO_SMALL :... tha am baile seo ro bheag airson {COMMA} gnìomhachasan dhen t-seòrsa seo (chan fhaod ach aon dhe na gnìomhachasan seo a bhith ann airson gach {COMMA} {P taigh thaigh taighean taigh})
17:57:57  <planetmaker> is the string in question
17:58:14  <Alberth> I was pondering about it, and maybe we should make eints output that number always
17:58:43  <Alberth> if we change nml, all current {P ... }  without numbers will break
17:59:09  <Alberth> planetmaker: openttd says that {P} refers to the previous number
18:07:06  <planetmaker> why would it break?
18:07:42  <frosch123> i kind of doubt any newgrf would break
18:07:54  <planetmaker> or what change do you mean? You mean requiring a position parameter always?
18:07:59  <frosch123> it's very unlikely that {P} is used in front of a number
18:08:10  <planetmaker> I'd risk that :-)
18:08:14  <frosch123> so, i think we should just change nml
18:08:23  <frosch123> it' more likely that if fixes some sets, than it breaks some
18:08:36  <frosch123> (like having a {P} between two numbers)
18:08:38  <planetmaker> All NewGRFs which use it are on this server. So we can also advice. Or even fix
18:09:10  <planetmaker> Well... of course, there others, but they very likely don't use so many languages
18:09:32  <planetmaker> and the weired ones break it
18:11:05  <planetmaker> the update from 0.2.x to 0.3.0 breaks anyway some other stuff ;-)
18:11:15  <planetmaker> so if we break something, better before 0.3.0
18:11:37  <frosch123> there is no 0.3.0 ? :o
18:11:41  <planetmaker> And the two bugs you fixed yesterday, day before yesterday were the two ones I wanted to have seen fixed
18:11:53  <planetmaker> Now I would feel comfortable to actually release 0.3.0
18:12:03  <planetmaker> The changelog is... meeeh
18:12:06  <planetmaker> huge
18:12:12  <frosch123> well, we should fix the {P} :p
18:19:26  <DevZone> Project finnishtrams build #11-nightlies: SUCCESS in 13 min: https://jenkins.openttdcoop.org/job/finnishtrams/11/
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18:27:21  <planetmaker> so, I think we need not check this out as we know the result anyway, yes?
18:27:31  <planetmaker> or should I still commit a revert of it, frosch123 ?
18:27:42  <frosch123> nah, better fix nml :p
18:33:51  <DevZone> Project Nutracks build #59-nightlies: SUCCESS in 3 min 45 sec: https://jenkins.openttdcoop.org/job/nutracks/59/
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18:55:05  <DevZone> Project Iron Horse build #354-nightlies: SUCCESS in 7 min 58 sec: https://jenkins.openttdcoop.org/job/iron-horse/354/
19:10:37  <DevZone> Project OpenGFX build #89-nightlies: SUCCESS in 12 min: https://jenkins.openttdcoop.org/job/opengfx/89/
19:22:26  <frosch123> Alberth: would you like to push your grfstring.py doc thingie?
19:23:02  <frosch123> http://paste.openttdcoop.org/show/2763/ <- i wonder whether that would just do
19:23:17  <Alberth> it isn't committed yet
19:25:14  <Alberth> I wouldn't know, I haven't gotten to understanding that bit of code
19:25:47  <frosch123> well, i would just try it :p
19:26:31  <Alberth> I assume you didn't hire an infinite number of monkeys to come up with that patch :p
19:26:44  <frosch123> but with your docs, i think i kind of know what it does, and why
19:27:17  <frosch123> well, i know the input and in know the output :p
19:27:33  <Alberth> it needs understanding of newgrf text specs, is my guess :)
19:27:35  <frosch123> so i can surround it :p
19:27:51  <frosch123> engage the code from both ends :)
19:27:59  <Alberth> :D
19:28:31  <frosch123> i think the most useful part of python docs is the type information
19:29:09  <frosch123> you can skip a lot of c++ docs by just naming parameters useful
19:29:25  <frosch123> but in python you still have a hard time to figure out a parameter, if you do not know the type of it
19:30:13  <Alberth> yes the type is the crucial information
19:30:27  <Alberth> you need my docs?
19:30:33  <frosch123> i found them in paste
19:30:42  <frosch123> else i could not have written that diff :p
19:30:50  <Alberth> I mean you need it pushed?
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19:30:59  <planetmaker> docs hardly ever hurt
19:31:02  <frosch123> well, would allow me to make a proper patch
19:31:09  <Alberth> k
19:31:10  <frosch123> and somehow force pm to test it or so :p
19:31:10  <planetmaker> unless you're the fly which is squatted by the book
19:32:56  <Alberth> pushed
19:33:28  <Alberth> books are not so useful for catching flies, they're too heavy :)
19:33:39  <frosch123> hmm, i still need to get used to python's ternary operator
19:33:51  <Alberth> I don't like it
19:34:11  <Alberth> and usually use an if/else :)
19:34:34  <Alberth> o/ andy
19:36:08  <DevZone> Project NML - NewGRF Meta Language build #121-push: SUCCESS in 3 min 16 sec: https://jenkins.openttdcoop.org/job/nml/121/
19:36:18  <andythenorth> Alberth: just pm-ed you something
19:36:28  <Alberth> firs doesn't have  {P [^0-9]
19:36:44  <andythenorth> ?
19:37:11  <Alberth> I don't seem to have any pms
19:37:25  <frosch123> so, do i have a ogfx+industies checkout?
19:37:31  <Alberth> {P ...} commands  without number
19:38:53  <andythenorth> Alberth: forgot to include you :
19:38:54  <andythenorth> :)
19:38:54  <frosch123> pff, ogfx-industries doesn't even use {P} in english
19:38:55  <andythenorth> fixed
19:39:12  <andythenorth> python ternary operator is wierd
19:39:17  <andythenorth> I hate ternary operators anyway
19:39:25  <andythenorth> if-else is easier to scan
19:40:41  <planetmaker> frosch123, yes, that's why it only happened when people started to translate :D
19:40:52  <andythenorth> I guess it's ternary is just a convenient shorthand :P
19:41:00  <frosch123> english is plural 0 , right?
19:41:13  <frosch123> well, at least it did compile
19:41:25  <planetmaker> yes, english is plural 0
19:41:27  <Alberth> yes it is
19:42:16  <Alberth> andythenorth: planetmaker did some eints in nfo stuff afaik
19:42:22  <Alberth> not sure of its status
19:42:29  <frosch123> how do i trigger that message?
19:42:53  <planetmaker> which message do you mean, frosch123 ?
19:42:56  <Alberth> bla bla  {COMMA} {P x x}
19:43:05  <planetmaker> failure to compile ogfx-industries? Just try to compile tip
19:43:06  <Alberth> or {SIGNED_WORD}  perhaps
19:43:31  <frosch123> planetmaker: no, in game
19:43:36  <frosch123> i compiled ogfx-industries
19:43:40  <frosch123> and added a plural to english
19:44:00  <planetmaker> oh :-) Then which message? STR_XXX?
19:44:06  <frosch123> TOWN_TOO_SMALL
19:44:21  <planetmaker> fund a bank, I think
19:44:27  <frosch123> btw. we need an error message if unpausing a game is not possible due to game script
19:45:16  <frosch123> i guess i need some special parameters then
19:45:47  <planetmaker> let me find out :-)
19:46:59  <planetmaker> frosch123, water towers, banks and shops exhibit that behaviour
19:47:08  <planetmaker> you can only have n per m citizens
19:47:33  <planetmaker> thus try to build many in a (small) town
19:47:36  <frosch123> yay, works
19:48:32  <frosch123> though i am not sure whether the message is correct by itself
19:48:37  <frosch123> one bank per 150 houses?
19:48:42  <planetmaker> Alberth, andythenorth nfo support for lang files is... well, rather meh. But works for ISR
19:48:48  <frosch123> does that only apply for the second bank?
19:48:57  <frosch123> this town has nowhere near 150 houses :p
19:48:59  <planetmaker> they have a well-structured nfo lang file which contains all strings. Thus easy script
19:49:24  <planetmaker> frosch123, yes, if there's 151 houses, you can build 2
19:49:38  <planetmaker> I *think* :-)
19:49:54  <Alberth> would be consistent with observed behavior :p
19:50:02  <frosch123> now, there is certainly a bug
19:50:18  <frosch123> i try to build a second one, and it says, there can not be 18444 industries :p
19:50:33  <Alberth> lol
19:50:33  <planetmaker> :D
19:50:42  <planetmaker> that may even be true, frosch123 ;-)
19:50:45  <frosch123> but the plural works :p
19:51:08  <planetmaker> switch (FEAT_INDUSTRIES, PARENT, name ## _num_houses_check_switch, [STORE_TEMP(LOAD_TEMP(0), 0x100), STORE_TEMP(NUM_HOUSES_PER_INDUSTRY, 0x101), var[0xB6] - NUM_HOUSES_PER_INDUSTRY * LOAD_TEMP(0)]) { \
19:51:08  <planetmaker> 	0..0xFFFF: return CB_RESULT_LOCATION_ALLOW; \
19:51:08  <planetmaker> 	return string(STR_ERR_TOWN_TOO_SMALL); \
19:51:41  <frosch123> @base 10 16 18444
19:51:41  <Webster> frosch123: 480C
19:51:53  <planetmaker> strange number
19:52:05  <frosch123> it does not change when funding more of them
19:52:18  <planetmaker> I wonder whether it's a missing initialization
19:52:25  <frosch123> seems to occur for everything bigger than 0
19:53:32  <frosch123> hmm, now it happens every time
19:53:42  <frosch123> yeah, maybe uninitalised then
19:54:17  <frosch123> http://paste.openttdcoop.org/show/2765/ <- anyway, seems to work
19:54:33  <frosch123> is there an issue for that on devzone?
19:54:44  <planetmaker> no. Just checked
19:55:12  <Alberth> not for NML
19:55:54  <planetmaker> I mean ogfx-industries, but for the {P thing...} it probably could be moved from eints to nml
20:11:47  <frosch123> so, shall i commit as Fix for the eints-issue?
20:12:10  <planetmaker> I could move the issue between the projects ;-) (or you could :-P )
20:12:17  <planetmaker> or even copy
20:12:50  <DevZone> Project Iron Horse build #355-push: SUCCESS in 54 sec: https://jenkins.openttdcoop.org/job/iron-horse/355/
20:13:25  <planetmaker> http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/6501 <--- that, yes?
20:13:42  <frosch123> no
20:13:45  <frosch123> 6503
20:14:00  <frosch123> hmm
20:14:03  <frosch123> are they the same?
20:14:25  <planetmaker> Dunno. Alberth considers them different, I think. Not sure
20:14:31  <planetmaker> To me they look the same
20:16:02  <Alberth> 6501 was not clear in intention what to report
20:16:48  <Alberth> ie it could also be interpreted as {P} without number would be too ambiguous, and always required a number
20:17:34  <Alberth> but if the OP considers them equal who am I to argue :p
20:17:49  <planetmaker> :D
20:18:41  <planetmaker> Well, the issue is that we a) need valid strings and b) the strings must have a syntax which is clear and simple in what parameter refers to which number
20:19:29  <planetmaker> when I posted that issue, I did not want to impose a solution but note that there's an issue. Which possibly needs discussion
20:19:33  <planetmaker> which we had
20:20:29  <planetmaker> I think we agreed on 'as close as possible to OpenTTD behaviour'. Which means eints is correct. And NML should adopt
20:20:58  <Alberth> I agree on that
20:21:17  <Alberth> so, issue solved thus :)
20:21:27  <planetmaker> both? :D
20:21:41  <Alberth> yeah 6503 and 6501 at least
20:21:45  <planetmaker> (on eints side)
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20:21:57  <Alberth> I think I added another one though
20:22:32  <planetmaker> http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/6504
20:22:38  <planetmaker> but... isn't that NML, too?
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20:23:13  <frosch123> 6504 looks like eints fault
20:23:15  <frosch123> nml is correct
20:23:26  <frosch123> there is only one pluaral parameter
20:23:39  <frosch123> though i have no idea what the translator intended
20:23:52  <Alberth> s/,/ /g
20:23:55  <DevZone> Project Iron Horse build #358-push: SUCCESS in 42 sec: https://jenkins.openttdcoop.org/job/iron-horse/358/
20:24:06  <Alberth> he thinks he is using ##plural 6   :)
20:24:16  <Alberth> which by now is true
20:24:38  <Alberth> I agree eints is behaving weird there
20:25:14  <Alberth> which is not fixed afaik
20:25:31  <Alberth> I fixed the ability to upload ##plural 6  :)
20:26:23  <frosch123> so, close 6501 as duplicate of 6503?
20:26:30  <frosch123> move 6503 to nml?
20:26:36  <frosch123> commit fix for 6503?
20:26:44  <Alberth> yes
20:26:46  <planetmaker> +1
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