Log for #openttdcoop.devzone on 22nd January 2014:
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07:10:47  <DevZone> Project xussrset - Trains from Russia build #194-push: SUCCESS in 2 min 37 sec:
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12:15:57  <planetmaker> V453000, so... DevZone didn't "forget" anything after all and everything's sorted?
12:17:33  <V453000> I didnt try since yesterday, but nothing worked :d
12:27:32  <planetmaker> probably your tortoiseHG forgot about your public key
12:27:43  <planetmaker> whyever that wasn't memorized
12:28:28  <planetmaker> <-- try this step again
12:28:30  <Webster> Title: Configure multiple SSH identities for TortoiseHg - Bitbucket - Atlassian Documentation (at
12:30:45  <V453000> alright, will try at home
12:31:05  <planetmaker> also check that your login for the repo is configured for ssh, i.e. the last to paragraphs in the link I just posted
12:31:06  <V453000> I see
12:31:22  <V453000> ha I wonder if pageant needs to be launched, since i had to launch it manually the first time, it might have not been
12:31:28  <V453000> right
12:31:48  <planetmaker> it needs run as it provides the identiry
12:58:41  <V453000> yeah and I suspect it didnt launch itself I assume :D
16:18:29  <DevZone> Project NML - NewGRF Meta Language build #227-nightlies: SUCCESS in 43 sec:
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16:48:36  <DevZone> Project Dutch Trainset build #54-push: SUCCESS in 1 min 7 sec:
16:56:38  <V453000> planetmaker: yeah, the pageant thing wasnt started :d
16:56:46  <V453000> thanks (: pushing seems to be working now
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19:07:44  <V453000> hm, did redirect get borkd? sez 404 to me
19:08:27  <V453000> also, the push worked (: thanks
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20:07:47  <planetmaker> V453000, yes, that redirect doesn't exist (anymore)
20:08:02  <V453000> uhm ... why? :0
20:08:09  <planetmaker> it was a very generic redirect which causes more issues than it's worth
20:08:25  <V453000> :( I very liked it
20:08:51  <planetmaker> I wasn't aware anyone actually used projectname.o.o instead of dev.o.o/projects/projectname
20:09:35  <V453000> I did all the time, it is also super convenient when you give link to
20:09:42  <planetmaker> there's zillion of possible character combinations thinkable which all would resolve wrongly
20:09:50  <V453000> easy to remember for people :)
20:09:57  <V453000> hm
20:10:03  <planetmaker> dev.o.o/projects/nuts/wiki isn't really much worse
20:10:20  <V453000> much, no :P
20:10:35  <V453000> it does not really matter terribly much, I was just surprised
20:10:52  <planetmaker> pester ^Spike^ to get the full account on what was all wrong with the redirect we had
20:10:59  <V453000> =D
20:11:47  <frosch123> V453000: basically it involved pbs and autorefit
20:12:00  <V453000> well shit
20:12:11  <planetmaker> :P
20:13:23  <Alberth> hi hi
20:14:54  * Alberth is very tempted to give zephyris a hand in coding, but no idea what I'd be getting myself into :)
20:16:27  <frosch123> Alberth: if you are not careful you get into a lot of discussion :p
20:16:57  <frosch123> whether it shall me a baseset, a newgrf, multiple newgrf for separate landscape, industires, ..
20:17:11  <Alberth> oh, all of the above?  ;)
20:18:00  <planetmaker> oi oi Alberth :)
20:18:18  <planetmaker> Alberth, I created a project for that already. pull hg.o.o/opengfx-mars
20:18:37  <planetmaker> I made myself some work with that, though
20:18:51  <planetmaker> as-is, that structure won't easily compile on the CF
20:19:02  <planetmaker> I need to hand-craft it for this sub-repo structure
20:19:17  <planetmaker> the template applied to every other project won't work :D
20:19:42  <planetmaker> Alberth, and I'll be very happy, to not be the only one to very slowly work on that :)
20:20:13  <planetmaker> my idea was to (first, at least) go for a set of NewGRFs, similar to the other OpenGFX+ NewGRFs with a common theme
20:20:25  <planetmaker> each in its own sub-repo, but with the shared graphics repo
20:20:34  <Alberth> you're the expert here :)
20:20:58  <planetmaker> I'd not say so :P But well :)
20:21:22  <Alberth> shall we count the number of newgrfs that we each made? :D
20:22:03  <planetmaker> does that make one expert? :)
20:22:40  <Alberth> of course it does, because you'd win ;)
20:22:53  <planetmaker> I'm sure frosch is one, too, probably more than me. But has he written many? :)
20:23:48  <planetmaker> anyway, be my guest to do anything with the opengfx-mars projects
20:24:25  <Alberth> he, don't try to make objective remarks about my attempts to make you an expert ;)
20:24:48  <planetmaker> I probably won't do much before later next week as I need to study a bit for my shipping license when not working
20:24:55  <Alberth> ok, I'll ask zephyris, although I am sure he won't object
20:25:12  <frosch123> hmm, i think i have two vehicle sets, an industry set and a game script
20:25:28  <planetmaker> two vehicle sets?
20:25:33  <Alberth> me neither, too much RL stuff going on
20:25:37  <frosch123> debug vehicles and original vehicle names
20:25:42  <planetmaker> ah
20:25:44  <frosch123> manindu comes in two versions
20:25:49  <planetmaker> didn't know the latter was yours
20:26:22  <frosch123> well, it was the price to pay for ripping off the old translation :p
20:26:33  <planetmaker> I have quite some idea on what to do with landscape, that's why I created that repo already
20:28:17  <planetmaker> Alberth, locally it will be easy, if you pull the main repo. You can configure the NewGRFs like any other on the DevZone
20:28:54  <planetmaker> The landscape one currently is kinda virgin. It's a bare NewGRF without any content other than action8 (which basically only say "I'm a NewGRF and call myself OpenGFX Mars Landscape"
20:29:02  <planetmaker> )
20:29:28  <Alberth> I'll have a look in a moment, making a PM to zephyris now
20:29:41  <planetmaker> I didn't create yet sub repos or anything for anything else, but... easy. And could be copied from current landscape one
20:29:55  <planetmaker> :)
20:30:07  <planetmaker> do you have anything you would want to start with, Alberth ?
20:30:55  <Alberth> nope, I am equally clueless about everything :)
20:31:01  <planetmaker> :)
20:31:14  <planetmaker> You *might* want to start easy. Then landscape is nice
20:31:29  <planetmaker> but then... the other stuff is not really much more complicated
20:32:42  <Alberth> I hope it is, although no doubt you can do highly complicated stuff if you want to
20:33:41  <planetmaker> yes, one can. But I doubt we need to
20:33:53  <planetmaker> A functional Mars set doesn't need over-complicated NewGRF mechanics
20:34:09  <planetmaker> even industries should work out quite straight forward
20:34:19  <planetmaker> What I'm really afraid of, is stations.
20:34:45  <planetmaker> Bridges... well...
20:37:03  <Alberth> hmm, stations are going to be nfo i guess?
20:38:23  <Alberth> marrying nml and nfo is not going to be pleasant probably
20:38:49  <planetmaker> Stations anyway need to or at least can be a separate set.
20:39:06  <planetmaker> One could do with simple sprite replacement maybe, though. But that might not be the result envisioned
20:41:19  <Alberth> hg clone ssh://
20:41:20  <Alberth> remote: Permission denied (publickey).
20:41:20  <Alberth> abort: no suitable response from remote hg!
20:41:51  <planetmaker> hg@hg
20:42:29  <Alberth> ah, works
20:45:55  <^Spike^> V453000 about the redirect; Google hates us for doing it
20:46:04  <V453000> what :0
20:46:08  <^Spike^> and it's plain ugly
20:46:22  <^Spike^> i redirect everything i don't know to another page with might return something or return an error
20:46:23  <V453000> I luv it :(
20:46:29  <^Spike^> that last part kills google results alot
20:46:30  <V453000> =D
20:46:32  <V453000> hm
20:46:35  <V453000> I see
20:46:38  <^Spike^> well... we can fix it for ppl who request
20:46:47  <^Spike^> but then it's the ones that get used
20:46:52  <V453000> I really use it a lot
20:47:06  <V453000> so if I would get it back, I would be happy, but I understand if not
20:47:18  <^Spike^> as said: we can fix it when requested :)
20:47:26  <^Spike^> but the general redirect had to go :)
20:47:42  <^Spike^> it was too generic
20:47:57  <^Spike^> bladiebladieblathisshit would redirect to a project called bladiebladieblathisshit
20:48:01  <^Spike^> which doesn't exist
20:48:14  <^Spike^> if google would find that... it would start indexing it with that URL
20:48:41  <^Spike^> i'll see what i can do now to make it easy
20:49:59  <planetmaker> Alberth, looking at the sprites: I believe that for quite some things the sprite templates from zBase and / or OpenGFX(+) can be used successfully
20:50:05  <planetmaker> or with minor modifications
20:50:46  <V453000> thanks for your effort ^Spike^  :)
20:50:47  <Alberth> knowing zephyris, I am sure he has some system :)
20:51:04  <planetmaker> yeah :)
20:53:46  <Alberth> tunnelparts look blendered
20:55:25  <^Spike^> yes i broke the website :D
20:55:54  <^Spike^> he who starts complaining shall not get nice urls :D
20:57:15  <Alberth> planetmaker: anything you recommend me doing first?
20:57:41  <Alberth> vehicles?
20:58:16  <^Spike^> oh i thought for slapping me ;)
20:58:18  <frosch123> vehicles require thinking about stats and such :p
20:58:40  <Alberth> hmm, good point :p
20:58:49  <frosch123> landscape would likely be straight forward, but maybe also boring
20:59:17  <frosch123> though it also has the biggest impact on the outcome
20:59:49  <Alberth> I remember reading that pm wanted to do that
21:00:29  <^Spike^> V453000
21:00:31  <^Spike^> be happy!
21:00:33  <V453000> =D
21:00:40  <V453000> amazing
21:00:42  <V453000> thanks (:
21:00:49  * V453000 is happy
21:01:40  <Alberth> amazing how much influence you have as sys-admin :p
21:01:59  * ^Spike^ has powers! :)
21:02:25  <^Spike^> just to realize that in my daily job basicly we (as company) control so much data
21:02:26  <Alberth> we all love you
21:02:46  <frosch123> in my company the sysadmins are mostly those who failed with something else :p
21:02:48  <^Spike^> and that customers basicly have to trust you to do nothing with it...
21:02:53  <planetmaker> Alberth, I will definitely not be disappointed, if you do landscape
21:02:59  <planetmaker> as a start that's easy, I think
21:03:07  <planetmaker> and indeed has the biggest impact
21:03:12  <Alberth> ok :)
21:03:17  <^Spike^> well 1 good thing... the government gave me a paper saying: He can handle data safely! He's no spy and not stealing!
21:03:21  <^Spike^> little do they know.... ;)
21:03:27  <Taede> lol
21:03:28  <planetmaker> and additionally it already is setup. You "just" need to include the actual content
21:03:36  <planetmaker> so no bothering with grfID, makefile etc
21:03:51  <frosch123> ^Spike^: great, i got one that i am no terrorist :p
21:03:55  <^Spike^> :)
21:04:04  <^Spike^> VOG? :)
21:04:11  <^Spike^> oh wait not dutch.. :)
21:04:17  <^Spike^> that's a dutch term for that paper :)
21:04:20  <planetmaker> tendentially landscape can become boring to code, though, yes :P
21:06:08  <Alberth> I am good at simple jobs that need little thinking, especially after a long day with lots of thinking :)
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21:06:33  <^Spike^> well this week i do have to say... i did have to accept a EULA that said: I shall not use VMWare software against the USA or provide any enemies with help to nuclear missles
21:06:39  <^Spike^> and yes that is true... it said that :)
21:06:48  <^Spike^> it's freaking VMWare! :)
21:07:08  <planetmaker> ridiculous
21:07:39  <^Spike^> also.... when i signed up... they checked if my company isn't on a blacklist.. else the course leader had to show me the door if we were... :)
21:08:14  <planetmaker> but then I signed a contract that I as supervisor would make sure that I as student don't work alone on a project I was responsible for alone. Right...
21:08:28  <^Spike^> .... :D
21:08:35  <planetmaker> alter ego helps a lot :P
21:09:52  <^Spike^> we are never alone, we are always together with 5 of us, i alone... we alone... shall do this! :D
21:12:31  <^Spike^> aslong as i'm vmware certified in the end i'm happy :)
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