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Log for #openttdcoop.devzone on 25th June 2014:
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11:11:31  <Ammler>  what does grfid "CAP" in respect to ogfx+airports mean?
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11:31:21  <planetmaker> climate-aware AirPorts
11:31:34  <planetmaker> that was its initial name
11:32:34  <planetmaker> as the history of the grf's commit in its NFO times will also tell you :)
11:34:41  <planetmaker> "Climate dependent airport tiles" even
11:36:05  <planetmaker> https://rhodecode.openttdcoop.org/airportsplus/files/f1036ee5bd42602fc7002d01a7db3de847c81f97/Makefile.config
11:54:42  <planetmaker> Ammler, but I'd like to suggest to simply let the grfID topic die. Pikka is totally right on all accounts.
12:00:14  <V453000> +1 to Pikka
12:32:43  <Ammler> I do not care, I just wanted to tell you a "outsider or oldie" opinion
12:33:15  <Ammler> just spending the whole time on reading tt-forums :-)
12:34:53  <Ammler> planetmaker: btw. afaik George "claimed" only one byte range "Meo"
12:35:35  <Ammler> which is even more funny, because he might have coded the most grfs at all :-)
12:36:53  <Ammler> a german guy coded a whole bunch of sets with exact same IDs as me
12:40:54  <Ammler> he, you give Pkka a +1 but react the other way :-P
12:50:18  <Ammler> the ogfx+ sets proves that even pros are not able to chose "right" grfid, so it seems a serious issue.
12:52:19  <planetmaker> Not sure how the OpenGFX+ things come in the picture, but I see there no issue anywhere
12:52:22  <planetmaker> Except made-up ones
13:01:30  <V453000> ^
13:01:54  <V453000> not a single issue
13:02:11  <V453000> and great fun is that mb suggests centralized system and doesnt upload his shit to bananas
13:02:13  <V453000> that is just hillarious
13:04:13  <planetmaker> hehe :)
13:05:04  <planetmaker> Ammler, and btw, I did not create nor check that list of 'reserved ranges'. I only used the upper part of the list mb wrote to quickly prove that his list is mostly bogus ;)
13:05:39  <planetmaker> and the 2-letter-as-initials didn't work already in 2007, seemingly.
13:08:05  <planetmaker> and any system to allocate them is bound to fail due to lack of central management
13:08:45  <planetmaker> and your argument of easier masking out... that's quite poor tbh. When does one need to check for hundrets of NewGRF?
13:09:29  <planetmaker> versions for the same NewGRF are distinguished by action14, previously there are like maybe 10 versions for a NewGRF, differentiated by the last byte, so easy, too - even if you do it that ttdp way
13:09:46  <planetmaker> and ttdp is dead for ages
13:30:33  <V453000> Ammler: my intention was just to let people know that OzTrans is Purposedly disabling his newGRFs, not that "other newGRFs are breaking his newGRF" as he claimed in the thread, just so that people know the truth .... that it escalated into a discussion, I dont care and I especially do not mean to do anything about him "having newGRF disabled on wednesdays" ... but Pikka is very right that the only centralized system t hat makes s
13:32:18  <planetmaker> V453000, cut sentence ;)
13:59:49  <V453000> meH (:
13:59:51  <V453000> -> home
15:03:50  <Ammler> planetmaker: you do not need to check existing grfs, you just need to search your id in the existing lists
15:04:44  <planetmaker> err-no-context
15:05:09  <Ammler> as comparing your id with existing grfs is useless anyway, since some grfs "reserve" a range
15:05:38  <planetmaker> a grf can never reserve a range
15:05:46  <Ammler> so bananas alone would not be enough
15:05:54  <Ammler> also if everyone would upload there
15:06:09  <planetmaker> with openttd a single grfid is enough for the entire life throughout all versions
15:06:11  <Ammler> the author of the grf does
15:06:33  <planetmaker> and if you need another ID for whatever reason, it doesn't matter whether it's sequential or not
15:08:06  <Ammler> well, it is easier to use mask then compare with a list
15:08:53  <Ammler> so having same grf with "similar" grfid does make sense
15:09:33  <Ammler> specially since the grfid allows such big variety
15:11:11  <Ammler> V453000: he did not disable his grfs because others are using "his range"
15:11:39  <Ammler> it happens simply because oztrans might use mask to compare versions
15:13:08  <planetmaker> Ammler, there is NO need to use more than one ID per NewGRF
15:13:32  <planetmaker> versions are done via action14
15:13:35  <Ammler> planetmaker: there was
15:13:50  <planetmaker> yes, 5+ years ago
15:17:17  <Ammler> and there is also a need to use a range for newgrf Sets
15:17:51  <Ammler> of course not necessary releated to author but most likely
15:19:12  <planetmaker> what's your point?
15:19:51  <Ammler> there are reasons to reserve a "range" of ids
15:20:00  <Ammler> still, not just versioning
15:20:42  <Ammler> e.g. George never used grfid to manage versions
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