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00:05:06 *** Guest62 has quit IRC 06:33:41 *** oskari89 has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 06:36:11 *** LSky` has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 08:45:11 <planetmaker> @op 08:45:20 <planetmaker> @whoami 08:45:20 <Webster> planetmaker: I don't recognize you. 08:51:10 <V453000> HIM 08:51:32 <V453000> /me slaps Webster on the dump 08:51:54 <V453000> btw yeti devzone == becoming a wiki XD 09:00:11 <planetmaker> that's ok :) 09:00:38 <planetmaker> though if it's general thing like how to compile that's imho better placed in the help centre wiki 09:10:40 <V453000> general wiki can haz a link :) 09:15:54 <planetmaker> :( 09:17:38 <^Spike^> copy.... pasta.... 09:17:43 <^Spike^> delete from old... 09:17:44 <^Spike^> fixed! :) 09:17:47 <^Spike^> it's a wiki 09:18:09 <planetmaker> I know 09:18:49 <planetmaker> but no point if everyone starts a wiki about the same thing in different places instead of improving the one in the help centre 09:27:23 <^Spike^> true :) 10:10:24 <V453000> sure but the centre can be the central hub linking elsewhere, too :) 10:11:26 <planetmaker> V453000, that doesn't make sense for a wiki. A wiki needs maintenance. And that can only be done by editors which are explicitly allowed 10:11:44 <planetmaker> a wiki is meant to be amended. A scattered user base does not allow for that 10:21:57 <V453000> hm ... the help center isnt really about creating the newgrf 10:22:04 <V453000> just about the devzone environment 10:22:24 <planetmaker> and about how to setup projects, how to compile a NewGRF 10:22:57 <planetmaker> just about everything which is not directly the programming of the project. But actually about what you need to know in order to make your project work 10:23:45 <V453000> feel free to move our compiling page there I would say, but Sylf wrote it not me: ) 10:23:54 <planetmaker> e.g. see the complete guide which foobar wrote some time ago 10:24:13 <planetmaker> it covers basically everything. How it worked some time ago. thus not exactly accurate anymore 10:24:51 <planetmaker> and that's the point: I don't want nor can support it everywhere and maintain and copy it from there and here and yonder 10:24:58 <planetmaker> if people don't do it, it's useless 10:25:18 <planetmaker> if everyone does it in another place, it's useless, too 10:25:29 <planetmaker> there's no place to direct people then to in order to get comprehensive help 10:27:05 <V453000> well yeah 10:27:06 <V453000> as I said 10:27:11 <V453000> feel free to move the page Sylf wrote 10:27:48 <V453000> as for the graphics related YETI documentation, I actually just today considered to move/link it to a greater project because I am starting a new landscape and that will get documentation just as well 10:27:50 <planetmaker> or you do it 10:27:58 <V453000> perhaps the Pixel bullshit I started some years ago is fine :D 10:28:20 <planetmaker> you're admin just as well in both projects :P 10:28:24 <V453000> could start actually using that as a hub for graphics would be useful 10:28:37 <planetmaker> as is sylf 10:28:53 <V453000> I will leave that to him at least for now, kind of busy today :) 10:29:04 <planetmaker> could also go there. Or possibly at the newgrf wiki. Or OpenTTD wike graphics development section 10:29:24 <V453000> the newgrf wiki is great and precise, but hell to read at start 10:29:28 <V453000> personal experience 10:29:43 <planetmaker> yes. It's more a technical documentation. It's not an introductory course 10:29:48 <planetmaker> it's not meant as that either 10:30:01 <V453000> I know, and it fulfills its purpose greatly 10:30:13 <planetmaker> http://www.tt-wiki.net/wiki/Main_Page might be the place for tutorials. Maybe 10:30:13 <V453000> which is why I think I should create my guide at a different place 10:30:46 <planetmaker> yeah. But consider OpenTTD wiki or tt-wiki 10:31:04 <planetmaker> they have sections and could well cater for that. And are natural places to look for this kind of info 10:33:10 <V453000> the way I take it is: "this is my way, there are many ways how to achieve something similar. While a lot of it is not software-specific, a lot of it is. And I dont feel like creating a rule; which is one of the reasons why I dont quite want to go to either of those wikis ... not to mention that I simply like devzone environment; except that it requires to update links once you change one file due to file IDs 10:33:40 <planetmaker> of course. With art - and sprites are art - it's always that way 10:34:00 <V453000> exactly 10:34:05 <planetmaker> it's a guide. It's a guide how you do things. It can teach people. But no one is requirred to follow it every step 10:34:41 <V453000> yar 10:36:15 <planetmaker> but the tt-wiki with the tutorials is then actually the very place for that 10:36:23 <planetmaker> all the guides there are in that very manner 10:37:37 <V453000> well lets see how specific I write things and move them eventually 10:37:39 <planetmaker> Call it "V's artistic musings" and it's clear that it's the way *you* do it 10:38:08 <V453000> many of the things are not "very" software spefic, but IMO the main tt-wiki should be in blender 10:38:28 <V453000> likelihood that anybody will have my software (3ds max, V-ray and Adobe Creative Cloud) is kind of low in this environment 10:38:48 <planetmaker> oh, not sure. Those programmes do exist with a few people 10:38:57 <planetmaker> I don't have them, but what the heck, doesn't matter 10:39:29 <V453000> that is why talking about the less specific things :) 10:39:45 <V453000> showing sprite template with x4 placement, offsets, and shapes, is helpful regardless how you got there 10:40:04 <V453000> -> lets see how much of it is this way 10:40:08 <planetmaker> yes. Though the way there is also interesting 10:40:19 <V453000> surely 11:32:39 *** Supercheese is now known as Guest110 11:32:45 *** Supercheese has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 11:38:23 *** Guest110 has quit IRC 11:47:31 *** oskari89 has quit IRC 14:23:00 *** frosch123 has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 15:18:32 *** ODM has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 15:39:52 *** oskari89 has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 16:48:42 <DevZone> Project road-hog build #359-push: SUCCESS in 52 sec: https://jenkins.openttdcoop.org/job/road-hog/359/ 16:48:59 *** ODM has quit IRC 16:51:43 <DevZone> Project xussrset - Trains from Russia build #462-push: SUCCESS in 4 min 13 sec: https://jenkins.openttdcoop.org/job/xussrset/462/ 16:52:05 <DevZone> Project World Airliner Set build #403-push: SUCCESS in 3 min 23 sec: https://jenkins.openttdcoop.org/job/worldairlinersset/403/ 16:53:36 <DevZone> Project 2ccts build #326-push: SUCCESS in 1 min 52 sec: https://jenkins.openttdcoop.org/job/2ccts/326/ 17:47:11 *** ODM has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 18:01:05 *** andythenorth has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 18:40:51 <DevZone> Project road-hog build #360-nightlies: SUCCESS in 50 sec: https://jenkins.openttdcoop.org/job/road-hog/360/ 19:21:02 *** gelignite has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 19:52:57 *** frosch123 has quit IRC 20:15:47 *** oskari89 has quit IRC 20:29:36 *** ODM has quit IRC 20:31:26 *** LSky` has quit IRC 20:36:59 <DevZone> Project Iron Horse build #1097-push: SUCCESS in 2 min 48 sec: https://jenkins.openttdcoop.org/job/iron-horse/1097/ 20:42:18 <DevZone> Project Iron Horse build #1098-push: SUCCESS in 2 min 42 sec: https://jenkins.openttdcoop.org/job/iron-horse/1098/ 21:07:24 *** andythenorth has left #openttdcoop.devzone