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Log for #openttdcoop.devzone on 9th September 2016:
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16:49:00  <DevZone> Project trams-2cc build #108: SUCCESS in 43 sec: https://jenkins.openttdcoop.org/job/trams-2cc/108/
16:58:29  <DevZone> Project xussrset - Trains from Russia build #1662: SUCCESS in 11 min: https://jenkins.openttdcoop.org/job/xussrset/1662/
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18:15:35  <DevZone> Project Building sprite test project build #345: SUCCESS in 32 sec: https://jenkins.openttdcoop.org/job/sprite-tests/345/
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19:19:23  * andythenorth wonders if devzone could mirror a github repo?
19:20:15  <andythenorth> but it would have to be to mercurial, I assume :(
19:20:18  <andythenorth> probably no dice
19:21:39  <^Spike^> eh
19:21:43  <^Spike^> i think it would do git
19:21:48  <^Spike^> but poke planetmaker to be sure about that
19:21:55  <^Spike^> i think the tooling is there if i remember correctly
19:23:27  <andythenorth> I don’t think bundles will build from git :)
19:23:40  <andythenorth> also I don’t want to start a choice-of-vcs war I don’t care about :)
19:23:58  <^Spike^> eh
19:24:04  <^Spike^> :)
19:24:23  <^Spike^> it's most likely jenkins that might have an issue with it...
19:24:35  <^Spike^> bundles is just a simple web server and does nothing but serve files :D
19:24:50  <andythenorth> oic :)
19:25:20  <andythenorth> redmine is relatively poor as a code collaboration tool
19:25:27  <andythenorth> speaking as a long-time redmine fan
19:31:11  <^Spike^> over the years be happy you didn't read our private channel from time to time :)
19:31:27  <^Spike^> let's just say i did the necassary swearing as a sysadmin cause of it
19:33:41  <andythenorth> we have it hosted by some german company, plan.io
19:33:50  <andythenorth> it’s good for tickets, not good for most other features
19:35:51  <^Spike^> it's a sysadmins hell imo :)
19:36:53  <^Spike^> i'm just happy that we never switched over to the redmine fork
19:36:54  <andythenorth> I don’t really have any understanding of how devzone is assembled
19:37:02  <andythenorth> it’s redmine + jenkins?
19:37:16  <^Spike^> redmine+jenkins and some self-made stuff mostly
19:37:22  <^Spike^> self-made stuff is unknown to me
19:37:26  <^Spike^> cause it was from before me
19:38:02  <^Spike^> the only self-made stuff i know is the nightly script for bundles, which i based of pm's base work and made it more checking before deleting :)
19:38:40  <andythenorth> I sometimes wonder what would happen to DevZone if there was no ^Spike^
19:38:49  <^Spike^> ehm...
19:38:53  <^Spike^> i don't know
19:38:57  <^Spike^> i think it will manage...
19:39:13  <^Spike^> i would be kind enough to let someone else know everything that i know about it :)
19:39:25  <andythenorth> :)
19:39:36  <^Spike^> most of my time is taken up by work atm so :)
19:40:18  <^Spike^> considering i'm the main vmware guy, who also does storage (for vmware and other platforms) and in the last 2 weeks been dropped into an openstack project... :)
19:40:24  <andythenorth> :P
19:40:30  <^Spike^> i'm happy i'm having a vacation now...
19:40:32  <andythenorth> just docker everything
19:40:34  <^Spike^> 3 weeks of doing nothing :D
19:40:35  <andythenorth> what could go wrong? :P
19:40:36  <^Spike^> meh...
19:40:42  <^Spike^> docker isn't good for everything
19:41:00  <^Spike^> i think they call it stock vs cattle? :)
19:41:05  <andythenorth> docker is excellent as a tool for attracting VC funding
19:41:12  <^Spike^> :)
19:41:12  <andythenorth> it’s clearly the winner at that
19:41:20  <andythenorth> dunno what else it does
19:41:23  <^Spike^> i work at a hosting company... we sell networks and cloud :D
19:41:35  <^Spike^> and i manager 50% of that cloud... :)
19:41:57  <^Spike^> at work i realize the faith of like 2k VMs rests in my hands mostly.... :)
19:42:00  <andythenorth> funny watching people (my customers) realising that ‘cloud is just a computer’ :)
19:42:05  <^Spike^> because i manage the )(@#*$)(@#*$_)@#$ vmware platform :)
19:42:27  <^Spike^> and now for 3 weeks i leave it to a colleague who is trying to learn the ropes :D
19:42:43  <^Spike^> letting him learn vmware: Here it's broken, gl fixing, if you have questions: ASK! :)
19:43:09  <^Spike^> atleast he's more lucky that i am... when i took on vmware, nobody was doing it and going like: eh... it's running...
19:43:45  <^Spike^> 2 year project to upgrade the complete infra to latest versions, and managing the hw to the latest versions
19:44:20  <andythenorth> we had some vmware hosts for a while on boxes we owned
19:44:28  <andythenorth> had to have some strange admin client, windows only
19:44:39  <^Spike^> they have a web client these days
19:44:42  <^Spike^> it's not perfect
19:44:47  <^Spike^> but they're replacing it with html5
19:44:51  <^Spike^> which is damn awesome :)
19:44:57  <^Spike^> have the vmware fling of it running :)
19:45:04  <^Spike^> we start to prefer it over the flash webclient :)
19:45:11  <^Spike^> even if it's still beta :D
19:45:13  <andythenorth> no surprise
19:45:21  <andythenorth> flash is just an attack vector :P
19:45:30  <^Spike^> although i do alot of management in the old windows only client aswell
19:45:39  <^Spike^> but the new webclients they got are damn good
19:45:47  <^Spike^> also the esxi stand alone webclient
19:46:12  <andythenorth> we have a host who run their VM management client in the same rack as some of the hosts
19:46:25  <andythenorth> this has…problems when their is some routing fault
19:46:31  <^Spike^> hehe
19:46:46  <^Spike^> considering we have 2 separate vcenters it's setup so that if
19:46:57  <^Spike^> vcenter A fails it runs on a cluster manager by vcenter B
19:47:00  <^Spike^> and the other way around
19:47:12  <andythenorth> how seamlessly can you migrate workloads?
19:47:17  <^Spike^> so we can at any time always access the console easily without looking through 5 hosts
19:47:21  <^Spike^> between the vcenters?
19:47:23  <^Spike^> we don't...
19:47:23  <andythenorth> yes
19:47:28  <^Spike^> one is vcloud managed
19:47:33  <^Spike^> one is non-vcloud
19:47:38  <^Spike^> we keep them very separate...
19:47:49  <^Spike^> cause vcloud is a living hell of a product imo :)
19:47:57  <^Spike^> but we use it, so i'll have to manage it :)
19:48:23  <^Spike^> you should not manage ANY vm managed by vcloud through vcenter
19:48:32  <^Spike^> it kills the vcloud portal cause it doesn't match it's own database
19:48:55  <^Spike^> if we do have to migrate one to the other, we use a shared nfs share
19:48:59  <^Spike^> but that's no live migration
19:49:22  <^Spike^> basically vcloud is our public cloud (customer go ahead creating your VMs)
19:49:36  <^Spike^> our other is a more managed/private cloud on which we manage our customers
19:49:39  <^Spike^> and our own stuff etc
20:27:42  <frosch123> andythenorth: syke-rail is a git project on devzone, with eints, jenkins and bundles
20:28:01  <andythenorth> o_O
20:28:33  <andythenorth> git or mercurial I don’t mind, but I don’t know of a solid equivalent to github
20:28:42  <andythenorth> bitbucket have mercurial
20:28:50  <andythenorth> but it’s a 5 user limit afaict
20:29:20  <andythenorth> also I use bitbucket all day for commercial work, and for open source collaboration, I don’t think it’s as good as github, maybe
20:31:02  <^Spike^> self-hosted andythenorth?
20:31:07  <andythenorth> nah
20:31:16  <^Spike^> oh, then i would say gitlab :)
20:31:29  <andythenorth> one of the points is to make the hosting a problem for $someone else
20:31:37  <^Spike^> :D
20:31:47  <andythenorth> I worry there aren’t enough people with skills / time to maintain devzone well
20:31:56  <andythenorth> frosch123 has enough to do :P
20:32:06  <andythenorth> without fixing my broken repos
20:32:10  <^Spike^> :)
20:32:18  <^Spike^> i'm happy frosch123 is around to do it :)
20:32:24  <^Spike^> i already keep an eye on all the rest :D
20:33:54  <andythenorth> thanks ;)
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