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Log for #openttdcoop.nightly on 8th September 2012:
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18:47:55  <Alberth> hmm, firs eh?
18:48:09  * Alberth is no good with firs
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18:52:51  * Alberth looks for a recent build
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19:01:27  <Alberth> interesting goal window :p
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19:02:05  * andythenorth gets a new openttd
19:02:21  <Alberth> [2012-09-08 21:09:54] dbg: [misc] Drawing string using newlines with DrawString instead of DrawStringMultiLine. Please notify the developers of this: [That is worth !]   <-- it spams the console somewhat :p
19:02:28  <frosch123> please check the game settings
19:02:43  <frosch123> andythenorth: the server still runs r24502
19:02:52  <frosch123> i cannot be bothered to update it :)
19:02:56  <andythenorth> oops
19:03:02  <andythenorth> I just deleted that version :P
19:03:29  <Nachtigall> <alberth> can we play without infrastructure maintenance?
19:03:35  <frosch123> we have firs 0.7.5
19:03:38  <andythenorth> where is the openttd bundles server?
19:03:41  <frosch123> cheap heqs, cheap fish
19:03:46  <frosch123> and building materials
19:04:07  <frosch123> and we need more players
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19:07:41  <Nachtigall> *** andythen0rth has joined company #1
19:08:00  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> ho ho that is cheap ships :)
19:08:02  <Nachtigall> <fr0sch> oh, damn
19:08:05  <Nachtigall> <fr0sch> industries are far too expensive
19:08:24  <Nachtigall> <fr0sch> i already set them to 1/4
19:08:26  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> new game?
19:08:37  <Nachtigall> <fr0sch> i guess it's a per tile price
19:08:43  <Nachtigall> <fr0sch> so firs is expensive
19:08:45  <Nachtigall> <fr0sch> that's broken :p
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19:09:55  <frosch123> any other settings need changing?
19:10:23  <frosch123> does firs mess with the basecosts?
19:10:29  <frosch123> maybe i need to change the grf order
19:10:47  <Nachtigall> *** Game still paused (number of players)
19:10:50  <frosch123> yeah
19:11:29  <andythenorth> can't remember if I reset base costs
19:11:30  <andythenorth> probably
19:11:33  <Nachtigall> *** andythen0rth has left the game (leaving)
19:12:06  <andythenorth> a
19:12:19  <andythenorth> I think I made industries insanely expensive
19:12:20  <frosch123> there are huge differences in the industry prices :o
19:12:24  <andythenorth> yes
19:12:33  <andythenorth> I'm not sure that's wise
19:12:43  <andythenorth> I made them to be a money sink when you have too much
19:12:49  <andythenorth> which is....wrong I think
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19:13:56  <frosch123> well, some industries cost 10000, some 100000 now
19:16:32  <frosch123> so what? are we only three :(
19:17:08  <Nachtigall> *** Game still paused (number of players)
19:17:36  <frosch123> so, where to start making money? :)
19:17:43  <Nachtigall> * andythen0rth reads goal
19:18:02  <Alberth> there is none ?
19:18:08  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> 10 years
19:18:26  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> we'll need metal
19:18:29  <frosch123> Alberth: first join company
19:18:32  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> and chemicals
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19:18:47  <Alberth> ah
19:18:49  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> let's find a steel mill
19:19:03  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> only 3 iron ore mines :P
19:19:14  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> I hate FIRS :D
19:19:39  <frosch123> hey, at least we have a builders yard in the town
19:19:50  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> dump coal to the lime kiln with trucks
19:19:53  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> they'll make a profit
19:20:07  <Alberth> and a metal fabrication plant too
19:20:11  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> yes
19:20:21  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> fab plant accepts chemicals from lime kiln
19:20:44  <Alberth> why does it say 1/4 complete?
19:20:52  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> one is built already
19:21:05  <frosch123> because there is already one industry
19:21:15  <Alberth> oh, producing!
19:21:26  * Alberth needs to go to bed :)
19:21:30  <Nachtigall> *** Game still paused (number of players)
19:21:33  <frosch123> noooo!
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19:21:51  <Nachtigall> <Zuuu> Hello
19:21:53  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> I just placed a sign for a trunk route we need
19:21:55  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> hi zuu
19:22:15  <Nachtigall> <fr0sch> we have enough money
19:22:21  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> do the trucks first
19:22:23  <Nachtigall> <fr0sch> we should build a proper train track :)
19:22:25  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> or both
19:23:11  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> trucks will need £30k
19:23:12  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> spend rest on trains ;)
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19:23:54  <andythenorth> flapping connection? :P
19:23:54  <Nachtigall> <fr0sch> did not notice that it wa sunpaused
19:24:10  <Nachtigall> <fr0sch> or did we already start?
19:24:13  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> let's go :)
19:24:17  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> planning is over-rated
19:24:24  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> and sleep will be needed later
19:24:26  <Nachtigall> *** Game unpaused (number of players)
19:24:38  <Alberth> we'll run out of money very soon anyway :)
19:26:03  <Nachtigall> <fr0sch> train length 5
19:26:06  <Nachtigall> <fr0sch> drive on right
19:26:08  <Nachtigall> <fr0sch> ok?
19:26:17  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> small :P
19:26:17  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> but ok
19:26:38  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> one day I'll find some MP players who like 20
19:26:40  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> :p
19:26:53  <Alberth> 20 tiles trains??
19:27:09  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> yup :)
19:27:38  <Nachtigall> <fr0sch> you can build shorter trains :)
19:32:08  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> hmm
19:32:14  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> glass works might be a winner
19:32:18  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> or lumber yard
19:32:29  <Nachtigall> * andythen0rth looks
19:33:13  <Nachtigall> *** alb3rth has left the game (general timeout)
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19:33:44  <frosch123> everyone is timout out :p
19:34:11  <Zuu> I got a message about the server not responding for X seconds where X increased up to 13.
19:34:33  <Zuu> Not now, but earlier just after that I joined.
19:34:33  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> me too
19:34:33  <frosch123> yeah, i also had it
19:34:39  <frosch123> i thought it was on my end :)
19:35:17  <frosch123> glass works is only 50000 to fun
19:35:26  <frosch123> *fund
19:35:27  <frosch123> but likely it's too early for that
19:35:27  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> and takes sand
19:35:28  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> and it takes sand
19:35:28  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> we have lots of sand :)
19:35:45  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> how do we unpause ?
19:35:45  <Nachtigall> *** andythen0rth has left the game (leaving)
19:35:51  <Nachtigall> <Zuuu> I can join more clients
19:35:57  <frosch123> i can lower the limit
19:36:02  <Nachtigall> *** Game still paused (number of players)
19:36:40  <Zuu> frosch123: That is perhaps a better solution :-)
19:36:47  <frosch123> well, once i have connection again :p
19:36:57  <andythenorth> meh, lost connection again :(
19:37:15  <andythenorth> this is sad :O
19:37:15  <Nachtigall> *** andythen0rth has left the game (leaving)
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19:37:16  <Zuu> The server is quite unresponsive yes
19:37:16  <Zuu> I wonder why
19:37:16  <frosch123> coop doesn't like us playing on their server :)
19:37:28  <andythenorth> maybe it's busy with something :P
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19:38:10  <andythenorth> kicked out again
19:38:12  <Nachtigall> <Zuuu> Is it due to the GS? FIRS? or other server load ?
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19:38:43  <Zuu> Now I dropped completely
19:39:11  <frosch123> i am trying to get a top up
19:39:13  <frosch123> well, it's not cpu load
19:39:19  <Alberth> my machine locked up completely
19:39:19  <andythenorth> devzone hg is gone too
19:39:19  <Nachtigall> *** Zuuu has left the game (connection lost)
19:39:20  <frosch123> well, the ssh connection is unstable as well
19:39:30  <andythenorth> and web
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19:39:53  <frosch123> see, i disconnected mintues ago
19:39:56  <Nachtigall> *** alberth has left the game (downloading map took too long)
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19:39:57  <frosch123> only now it reports
19:40:08  <Zuu> frosch123: Same thing for me
19:40:22  <andythenorth> devzone is gone
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19:44:18  <frosch123> let's try to continue
19:46:52  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> a sawmill is only 53k :)
19:47:03  <frosch123> i am delivering a glass works somewhat south
19:47:04  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> sawmill makes lumber
19:47:10  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> lumber goes to lumber yard
19:47:11  <frosch123> if we have the money we can fund our own
19:47:14  <frosch123> and reroute the trains
19:47:29  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> k
19:48:39  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> we could cheat
19:48:46  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> and store up all the bdmt at one station :P
19:52:52  <Alberth> oh :)
19:52:58  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> ?
19:53:00  <Nachtigall> <fr0sch> i stole a train :)
19:53:38  <Nachtigall> <Zuuu> alberth / fr0sch: Whom of you build from Fluningstone Quarry?
19:54:18  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> not me :)
19:54:24  <Nachtigall> <Zuuu> I figured that on the building style
19:54:39  <Alberth> frosch
19:55:02  <Nachtigall> <Zuuu> I found a lot of money so I started on an additional route there and then the money dissapeared so I backed off and waited for him to complete his part
19:55:18  <Nachtigall> <Zuuu> But now he have not resumed when there is money...
19:55:35  <frosch123> i build
19:55:42  <frosch123> but then there was no money
19:55:52  <Nachtigall> <Zuuu> now there is 80k
19:56:01  <frosch123> 20
19:56:35  <frosch123> but it might be better to connect it to the northwest
19:59:06  <Nachtigall> <fr0sch> why have we so few money
19:59:16  <Nachtigall> <Zuuu> That's why I waited for you :-)
19:59:34  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> spent it all :)
19:59:48  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> 1050 tonnes bdmt waiting :o
19:59:56  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> rarnpool bridge transfer
20:00:03  <Nachtigall> <fr0sch> elrail is so expensive
20:00:21  <Alberth> bdmt?
20:00:29  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> building material
20:00:40  <Nachtigall> <Zuuu> 1 buck = 1 pound :-)
20:00:42  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> lol @ paying for elrail, but buying steam :)
20:01:35  <Alberth> should we use some metal for the machine shop to make farm supplies for the kiln?
20:01:50  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> won't help
20:01:57  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> ah ah
20:02:03  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> take the fmsp to the forests :)
20:02:05  <Nachtigall> <fr0sch> btw. don't build steamers
20:02:06  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> I'll do it
20:02:12  <Nachtigall> <fr0sch> the diesel are cheaper and better
20:03:27  <Nachtigall> <Zuuu> Hmm, clearly too many players for the amount of income at the moment. I'll go afk for an hour and return later.
20:03:39  <frosch123> for a hour :o
20:04:16  <frosch123> no idea what we screwed up
20:04:23  <frosch123> did not build a proper money maker
20:04:27  <frosch123> though we had 500k :p
20:04:36  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> it's always same with FIRS
20:04:41  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> first few years are hard :P
20:06:12  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> are we waiting to buy more trains?
20:06:22  <Nachtigall> <fr0sch> a sand train
20:06:28  <Nachtigall> <fr0sch> kentown quarry
20:06:30  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> I won't buy anything for a bit then
20:07:59  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> that's on a steep hill :)
20:08:05  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> new mine
20:09:12  <Nachtigall> <fr0sch> bought the train
20:10:10  <Alberth> but it needs a stone train too there :)
20:10:22  <Nachtigall> <fr0sch> why?
20:10:28  <Nachtigall> <fr0sch> it's firs economy
20:10:34  <Nachtigall> <fr0sch> you don't need a train always waiting
20:10:45  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> it's a raging cheat that :)
20:10:48  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> I like it
20:10:50  <Nachtigall> <fr0sch> firs cheated the system
20:12:13  <Nachtigall> <fr0sch> what's next?
20:12:31  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> find a pax subsidy, make money :P
20:12:55  <Nachtigall> <fr0sch> autorenew?
20:13:05  <Nachtigall> <fr0sch> what lifetime does that ship have?
20:13:16  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> lots, I wanted a bigger one
20:13:25  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> but nvm
20:13:27  <Nachtigall> <fr0sch> so the message is wrong?
20:13:31  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> yes
20:13:33  <Nachtigall> <fr0sch> it means autoreplace?
20:13:36  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> yes
20:17:54  <Nachtigall> <fr0sch> i doubt you will get the necessary money for autoreplace :p
20:17:56  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> yarp
20:18:04  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> I'll stop that replace
20:20:34  <Nachtigall> <fr0sch> oh, i messed up the train pathing
20:20:57  <planetmaker> !revision
20:21:00  <Nachtigall> planetmaker: Game version is r24502
20:21:14  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> that steam train for chemicals would be cheaper rebuilt as a tram
20:21:23  <frosch123> yay pm
20:21:24  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> maybe not :P
20:21:29  <planetmaker> !dl lin
20:21:30  <Nachtigall> planetmaker: http://binaries.openttd.org/nightlies/trunk/r24502/openttd-trunk-r24502-linux-generic-i686.tar.xz
20:21:52  <frosch123> andythenorth: see what cool commands the bots have here
20:22:05  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> ho ho
20:22:24  <planetmaker> good evening friends :-)
20:22:37  <planetmaker> !dl osx is for andy
20:22:38  <Nachtigall> planetmaker: http://binaries.openttd.org/nightlies/trunk/r24502/openttd-trunk-r24502-macosx-universal.zip
20:22:48  <frosch123> planetmaker: it feels good when some actualy coop member joins :)
20:23:25  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> our alu plant now has all required cargos
20:23:31  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> so we should get a lot more metal
20:24:18  <planetmaker> how very uncool. The generic binaries don't work for me
20:24:34  <frosch123> really :o
20:24:35  <planetmaker> libstdc++.so.6: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
20:25:42  <planetmaker> hm... though... I should use the amd64 one
20:25:49  <planetmaker> !dl
20:25:49  <Nachtigall> planetmaker: !dl autostart|autottd|autoupdate|lin|lin64|osx|win32|win64|win9x
20:25:53  <planetmaker> !dl lin64
20:25:53  <Nachtigall> planetmaker: http://binaries.openttd.org/nightlies/trunk/r24502/openttd-trunk-r24502-linux-generic-amd64.tar.xz
20:27:04  <planetmaker> helps a lot if I download the proper architecture :-)
20:28:03  <Nachtigall> <fr0sch> "player" :p
20:28:09  <Nachtigall> <Player> meh :-)
20:28:23  <Nachtigall> <Player> and how do I open the console... the key left of 1 doesn't :-(
20:28:34  <Nachtigall> <fr0sch> disable dead keys
20:28:37  <Nachtigall> *** Player has changed his/her name to planetm4ker
20:35:06  <Nachtigall> <planetm4ker> omg... we need to *fund* industries?!
20:35:12  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> yup
20:35:15  <Nachtigall> <fr0sch> basecost mod
20:35:54  <Nachtigall> <planetm4ker> ach, nice. OpenTTD on 1920x1200 :-)
20:36:02  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> we need a sawmill soon
20:36:08  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> I placed a sign for it
20:36:22  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> sawmill gives us lumber
20:36:24  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> lumber gives us bdmt
20:37:26  <Nachtigall> <planetm4ker> what does "near" mean? within the perimeter where a station would get a name related to rarnpool?
20:37:36  <Nachtigall> <fr0sch> town name in label
20:42:04  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> don't buy anythinf for a bit please :)
20:42:10  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> need to fund a sawmill
20:42:33  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> done
20:42:58  <Nachtigall> <fr0sch> wrong town
20:43:24  <Nachtigall> <fr0sch> oh, it does not produce bdmt
20:43:27  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> no
20:43:28  <Nachtigall> <fr0sch> why do you fund such a thing?
20:43:35  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> produces lumber
20:43:41  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> lumber yard produces bdmt
20:43:47  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> we have lots of wood nearby
20:43:57  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> we should do glass for the other industry
20:44:11  <Nachtigall> <planetm4ker> I outlined a bit the area which belongs to Rarnpool
20:44:19  <Nachtigall> <fr0sch> anyway, move the glass works now?
20:44:23  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> yes
20:44:25  <Nachtigall> <planetm4ker> not a big area :-)
20:44:27  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> money is happening
20:45:49  <Nachtigall> <fr0sch> oh, we have expensive bridges
20:46:11  <frosch123> planetmaker: the goal script searches explicitly for small towns :p
20:46:20  <frosch123> that is, small area
20:46:27  <frosch123> it gives you 16x16 per industry or so
20:46:35  <frosch123> plus 32x16 as bonus or so
20:46:51  <planetmaker> o_O :-)
20:47:18  <Nachtigall> <planetm4ker> ok, what's the plan, the status and the todo really?
20:47:36  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> need a lumber yard
20:47:36  <Nachtigall> <fr0sch> we will fail the gold medal :)
20:47:42  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> nah
20:48:00  <Nachtigall> <fr0sch> plan to connect all sand to stone is almost finished
20:48:00  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> we moved 1280t per quarter already
20:51:34  <Nachtigall> <fr0sch> what next?
20:51:36  <Nachtigall> <fr0sch> timber yard?
20:51:39  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> yes
20:51:53  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> use trams to move the  lumber
20:52:23  <Nachtigall> <fr0sch> cement plant?
20:52:29  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> could d
20:52:46  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> oh :o
20:52:50  <Nachtigall> <fr0sch> brick works seems to conflict with glass works
20:52:52  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> we need 4 industries :o
20:52:58  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> do cement :)
20:52:58  <Nachtigall> <fr0sch> yes, one more :p
20:52:58  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> quick
20:53:36  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> make sure it doesn't steal sand :P
20:53:55  <Nachtigall> <fr0sch> it does not accept sand
20:53:58  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> I'm going to run trucks for the coal
20:54:04  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> great
20:54:06  <Nachtigall> <fr0sch> cement plant build
20:54:10  <Nachtigall> <fr0sch> needs supplies
20:54:13  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> there is a coal mine
20:54:19  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> don't use trains, they'll congest
20:55:09  <Nachtigall> <planetm4ker> ok, I start to see a pattern :-)
20:55:28  <Nachtigall> <planetm4ker> holy cow, bridges are expensive!
20:55:50  <Nachtigall> <fr0sch> my thoughts :)
20:56:56  <Nachtigall> <planetm4ker> so... we need a lumberyard?
20:57:06  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> yes
20:57:09  <Nachtigall> <fr0sch> how big is it?
20:57:40  <Nachtigall> <planetm4ker> and how is it called in German? :D
20:57:40  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> can be quite small
20:57:47  <Nachtigall> <fr0sch> timber yard
20:57:58  <Nachtigall> <planetm4ker> Holzverarbeitung... :-)
20:58:17  <Nachtigall> <planetm4ker> 2x4 tiles
20:59:03  <Nachtigall> <planetm4ker> I placed a sign for a good placement of it
20:59:21  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> build it
20:59:23  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> we have money
20:59:55  <Nachtigall> <planetm4ker> done
20:59:57  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> loads of lumber :)
21:01:10  <Nachtigall> <planetm4ker> station built
21:01:12  <Nachtigall> <fr0sch> station walked the tram stop to it
21:01:39  <Nachtigall> <planetm4ker> where do we get chimicals and lumber from?
21:01:54  <Nachtigall> <fr0sch> there are already chemicals
21:02:00  <Nachtigall> <fr0sch> and timber as well
21:02:02  <Nachtigall> <fr0sch> just in this town
21:02:25  <Nachtigall> <fr0sch> timber is 30 tiles to the east or so
21:02:27  <Nachtigall> <planetm4ker> someone [TM] does the intown stuff. I'm a railnetwork guy :-P
21:02:29  <Nachtigall> <fr0sch> at the dock
21:02:36  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> trams
21:02:46  <Nachtigall> <fr0sch> ok, building tram
21:03:00  <Nachtigall> <planetm4ker> omg... ok. From there no train :-)
21:03:34  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> might need a few trams
21:03:40  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> produced 400t last month :P
21:04:15  <Nachtigall> <fr0sch> 300t tram
21:07:09  <Nachtigall> <fr0sch> ok, should have built a separate tram stop :p
21:07:20  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> trams block
21:07:22  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> horribly
21:08:10  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> waiting for that log truck :)
21:09:16  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> electrify that lumber line?
21:09:19  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> faster is better now
21:09:33  <Nachtigall> <planetm4ker> the one I built?
21:09:35  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> maybe
21:09:42  <Nachtigall> <planetm4ker> Flunthill
21:09:49  <Nachtigall> <planetm4ker> yes
21:09:55  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> yup
21:10:13  <Nachtigall> <planetm4ker> done ;-)
21:10:14  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> we'll get the 110mph engine soon
21:10:32  <Nachtigall> <planetm4ker> sh30, right?
21:10:39  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> yup
21:15:45  <Nachtigall> <fr0sch> we do not transport any supplies
21:16:05  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> no :(
21:18:26  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> all the stone going to flunthill lime kiln should go to the cement plant instead
21:18:48  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> maybe not all
21:18:50  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> fixed it
21:21:08  <Nachtigall> <planetm4ker> I need 60k
21:21:28  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> we need lumber trains too
21:21:51  <Nachtigall> <planetm4ker> but we need to deliver the timber
21:21:54  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> 704t waiting
21:21:57  <Nachtigall> <planetm4ker> which we can't with one train
21:22:00  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> lumber = timber
21:22:11  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> we're looking at same thing :)
21:22:14  <Nachtigall> <planetm4ker> now we got two
21:22:29  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> ho ho
21:24:43  <Nachtigall> <fr0sch> who removed the depot orders?
21:24:49  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> oops :o
21:25:36  <Nachtigall> <planetm4ker> 3rd lumber train
21:26:15  <Nachtigall> <planetm4ker> hm, I hate it, if the goal window opens as too small to show all text
21:26:21  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> need another clay train
21:27:54  <Nachtigall> <fr0sch> you have the big screen to keep windows open
21:28:08  <Nachtigall> <fr0sch> just never close minimap and goal gui
21:29:34  <Nachtigall> <planetm4ker> :-) yes... still,though
21:29:56  <Nachtigall> <fr0sch> i hope you have at least the chat and the music player on the other screen :)
21:30:10  <Nachtigall> <planetm4ker> I do :-)
21:30:20  <Nachtigall> <planetm4ker> though no music player right now
21:31:40  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> fuck
21:31:46  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> bad terraform :(
21:32:29  <Nachtigall> <planetm4ker> always use shift+click for larger TF or in hilly terrain :-)
21:32:38  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> :m
21:32:54  <Nachtigall> <planetm4ker> before I built the tunnel I also checked what we could afford. I chose the hilly but only 22k version instead of 120k :-P
21:37:28  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> max train length 7
21:37:34  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> what kind of railroad is this? :P
21:41:45  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> more trams!
21:41:51  <Nachtigall> <fr0sch> just built one
21:42:34  <Nachtigall> <planetm4ker> frosch: is there for NoGO for strings like {NUM} month{P "" s}
21:42:48  <Nachtigall> <fr0sch> yes
21:42:54  <Nachtigall> <planetm4ker> you should use it ;-)
21:43:06  <Nachtigall> <fr0sch> oh, for the "industries"?
21:43:16  <Nachtigall> <planetm4ker> 1 year and 1 months
21:43:27  <Nachtigall> <planetm4ker> should be month
21:43:39  <Nachtigall> <planetm4ker> time till end of game
21:45:09  <Nachtigall> <fr0sch> fixed locally
21:46:10  <Alberth> it needs the "total transported cargo" window :p
21:46:13  <Nachtigall> <fr0sch> did you just bulldoze the town?
21:46:59  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> bah
21:47:04  <Alberth> I hope you're not talking to me :)
21:47:05  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> time went too fast :(
21:47:16  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> I planted trees
21:47:30  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> wee have 500t bdmt waiting
21:47:32  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> :(
21:47:42  <Nachtigall> <fr0sch> ah, i have trees intransparent
21:47:48  <Nachtigall> <fr0sch> *transparent
21:48:11  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> oh
21:48:17  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> we can contine for silver :o
21:48:20  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> I didn't know that
21:48:30  <Nachtigall> <fr0sch> would be pointless if there is only gold
21:49:56  <Alberth> trams are stuck south of the town
21:52:22  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> tram jam :)
21:52:58  <Alberth> ho, hotels :)  never seen those :)
21:54:51  <Nachtigall> <planetm4ker> very cool... 5 years extension to reach silver. That's great :-)
21:55:10  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> nearly done
22:01:41  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> \o/
22:01:43  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> bed time
22:01:45  <Nachtigall> <fr0sch> one year too slow :)
22:01:55  <Nachtigall> <planetm4ker> great :-)
22:02:01  <Nachtigall> <Zuuu> congratz :-)
22:02:17  <Nachtigall> <Zuuu> I just checked your status :-)
22:02:27  <Nachtigall> <planetm4ker> "Baustoffe Valley" :D sounds strange ;-)
22:02:41  <Nachtigall> * andythen0rth needs to play this with patched FIRS supplies :P
22:02:47  <Nachtigall> <fr0sch> building materials valley does not sound better
22:02:50  <Nachtigall> <fr0sch> that's the joke :p
22:03:02  <Nachtigall> *** andythen0rth has left the game (leaving)
22:03:08  <andythenorth> k bed time for me
22:03:12  <andythenorth> another nice GS evening
22:03:21  <Nachtigall> * planetm4ker images a valley with loads of bricks, timber, ... out somewhere in the remote wild west.
22:03:23  <andythenorth> next time, play around year 2000 :P
22:03:32  <andythenorth> faster tram is available then :P
22:03:36  <Nachtigall> <planetm4ker> bed time indeed. Thanks for the fun, guys :-)
22:03:46  <Nachtigall> *** fr0sch has left the game (leaving)
22:03:56  <Alberth> it needs much more money at start up
22:04:05  <frosch123> it is already the max loan :p
22:04:12  <Nachtigall> *** alberth has left the game (leaving)
22:04:17  <frosch123> we just need to build a money maker instead of going directly for the goal
22:04:20  <Nachtigall> <planetm4ker> much more? We failed only by one year. Could be feasible
22:04:24  <andythenorth> we could have done it
22:04:29  <Nachtigall> *** Zuuu has left the game (leaving)
22:04:29  <Nachtigall> *** Game paused (number of players)
22:04:36  <andythenorth> we had bdmt piling up untransported :P
22:04:48  <Alberth> the first few years are not fun at all, you just wait for money
22:04:50  <andythenorth> in 1973 we had 4,200t one quarter
22:05:00  <andythenorth> hmm
22:05:04  <andythenorth> fast tram is 2009
22:05:04  <Alberth> which other people spend :p
22:05:09  <Nachtigall> <planetm4ker> with unlimted money, the goals are not worth the fun
22:05:18  <andythenorth> you need drama :)
22:05:21  <Nachtigall> <planetm4ker> as you simply can "buy" the goal
22:05:24  <andythenorth> it's slow slow fast :)
22:05:36  <frosch123> as said, we should go for money first, not for the goal
22:05:40  <Alberth> you still need to lay down the capacity
22:05:52  <Zuu> So next challenge is to create a goal that is interesting with unlimited of money? :-)
22:05:57  <frosch123> it's enough if you build everything for the goal at the end
22:06:02  <frosch123> only one quarter matters
22:06:11  <andythenorth> unlimited money goal :o
22:06:19  <Alberth> Zuu: that'd be against each other in co-opetition??
22:06:23  <frosch123> Zuu: "spend it all"? :p
22:06:34  <Zuu> :-)
22:07:04  <Zuu> Get one vehicle of each engine?
22:07:08  <andythenorth> there is no obvious money maker in FIRS btw
22:07:11  <Alberth> andythenorth: that's easy for one person, difficult for 3-4 :)
22:07:19  <frosch123> andythenorth: pax :p
22:07:20  <andythenorth> a pax subsidy with ships can be the best
22:07:25  <andythenorth> sell the ship when it arrives
22:07:29  <andythenorth> buy a new one the other end
22:07:31  <andythenorth> cheating?
22:07:49  <Alberth> nah, just a lot of stupid work :p
22:07:51  <Nachtigall> <planetm4ker> yes, cheating
22:08:05  <Nachtigall> <planetm4ker> Rondje om de Kerk won the NoAI competition with this cheating ;-)
22:08:11  <Nachtigall> <planetm4ker> it's legal cheating
22:08:20  <Alberth> good night
22:08:32  <andythenorth> how much are RVs making in the game?  Compared to trains?
22:08:48  <Nachtigall> *** Game still paused (number of players)
22:08:48  <Nachtigall> *** Game unpaused (number of players)
22:09:04  <andythenorth> hmm
22:09:05  <andythenorth> less
22:09:12  <andythenorth> trains are insanely more profitable
22:09:16  <andythenorth> despite low RV costs
22:09:21  <andythenorth> [shrug]
22:09:34  <frosch123> it's the distance
22:09:36  *** Alberth has left #openttdcoop.nightly
22:09:41  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> and the speed
22:09:44  <frosch123> we only build rv on short distance
22:09:46  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> we made a lot more in 1975
22:09:51  <frosch123> because long distances are stupid with rv
22:09:54  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> I added a very long very fast coal route
22:09:56  <frosch123> 100 rv are no fun
22:10:02  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> double headed, 10,000 HP
22:10:20  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> trains we had 1.5m profit
22:10:30  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> RVs 420k
22:10:44  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> wonder how much infrastructure costs were for each
22:11:10  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> woah
22:11:20  <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> infrastructure costs were *lots* for trains
22:11:38  <Nachtigall> *** andythen0rth has left the game (leaving)
22:11:38  <Nachtigall> *** Game paused (number of players)
22:11:44  <andythenorth> we should try it with AV8
22:11:47  <andythenorth> flying coal around
22:12:01  <frosch123> then we need to disable infrastucture cost
22:12:06  <Zuu> an air game for the change may be interesting :-)
22:12:15  <planetmaker> Zuu, it wouldn't.
22:12:27  <planetmaker> It's just "place airport, place airport. build plane. done"
22:12:38  <frosch123> we need tile based airports :)
22:13:10  <andythenorth> we need to sleep :)
22:13:16  * andythenorth does anyway
22:13:18  <Nachtigall> *** planetm4ker has left the game (leaving)
22:13:20  <Zuu> we need automatic holding patterns to start with for that. And that have been on hold for like 1-2 years now :-)
22:13:22  <Nachtigall> *** Game still paused (manual, number of players)
22:13:37  <planetmaker> Zuu, airports *do* have holding patterns ;-)
22:13:59  <planetmaker> they're part of the state machine of each airport actually
22:14:04  <Zuu> planetmaker: I talk about automatic holding patterns that are generated by the game and not hard coded by the airport state machine.
22:14:19  <planetmaker> I see :-)
22:14:32  <andythenorth> thanks for fun
22:14:34  <andythenorth> good night
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22:14:47  <planetmaker> so like "define available landing strip(s)" results in "this is your holding pattern :-)
22:15:08  <Zuu> I don't remember whom, but someone in the dev team had an attempt to make them auto-generated.
22:15:20  <frosch123> i think albert started to work no it
22:15:44  <frosch123> but yeah, we considered it the first step to better airports
22:15:47  <frosch123> proper aircraft routing
22:15:52  <Zuu> As it is now, it is very hard to write code that analyze the state machine to figure out what is the holding part of it and figure out if a airplane is in holding or not.
22:16:14  <frosch123> currently we have only hardcoded state machines
22:16:27  <frosch123> so you can change them to set explicit entry points
22:16:36  <frosch123> well, runways and heliports
22:16:44  <frosch123> with position, height and direction
22:16:51  <frosch123> the rest should be done with an algorithm
22:16:57  <Zuu> yep
22:18:06  <Zuu> If someone ever does that, I have a patch queue with API changes for NoAI to make it more ready for new airports. But that is also sort of on hold.
22:18:47  <frosch123> night
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