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Log for #openttdcoop.pro on 26th August 2011:
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06:54:52  <ProZone> TWerkhoven: toting
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13:39:58  <V453000> TWerkhoven: around? .)
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14:27:19  <Ryton> !password
14:27:19  <ProZone> Ryton: turban
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14:33:52  <ProZone> <Ryton> cool, the farm is gone near SLH03
14:37:57  <ProZone> <Ryton> question: dont we need 2 stations per city? 1) Drop, and 2) mail/pax pickup/drop?
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16:21:48  <Chris_Booth[LP]> ola
16:22:42  <V453000> hy
16:26:33  <Chris_Booth[LP]> just managed to hid in PSG from iklucas
16:29:45  <V453000> wise move
16:29:47  <V453000> !password
16:29:47  <ProZone> V453000: crispy
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16:38:38  <Chris_Booth[LP]> !password
16:38:38  <ProZone> Chris_Booth[LP]: crispy
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16:48:37  <ProZone> <Chris Booth> 1 split 1 mixer left
16:48:47  <ProZone> <Chris Booth> but need that stupid thing to die
16:49:06  <ProZone> ***  made screenshot at 0000E94B: http://ps.openttdcoop.org/prozone/webcam/0000E94B.png
17:10:24  <ProZone> <Chris Booth> V453000: can we have magic buldozer?
17:11:18  <Chris_Booth[LP]> anyone?
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17:14:29  <Ryton> !players
17:14:31  <ProZone> Ryton: Client 78 (Orange) is V453000, in company 1 (Bloggs & Co.)
17:14:31  <ProZone> Ryton: Client 79 (Orange) is Chris Booth, in company 1 (Bloggs & Co.)
17:14:41  <Ryton> cool
17:14:44  <Ryton> !password
17:14:44  <ProZone> Ryton: drawls
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17:15:33  <ProZone> <V453000> do you really need dozer there?
17:16:51  <ProZone> <Ryton> do we need a slh around !here?
17:17:10  <ProZone> <Ryton> or more southly maybe?
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17:29:09  <ProZone> <Chris Booth> I don't want the paper mill in my way
17:29:16  <ProZone> <Chris Booth> I wanted a prefect junction
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17:41:43  <Ryton> !password
17:41:43  <ProZone> Ryton: lazier
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17:43:07  <ProZone> <Chris Booth> Ryton: don't ask just build
17:43:16  <ProZone> <Ryton> oki  :-)
17:43:24  <ProZone> <Ryton> just destroy if its not usefull :p
17:44:35  <ProZone> <Chris Booth> No we won'
17:44:48  <ProZone> <Chris Booth> with PZ you need to get used to the semi chaos
17:44:56  <ProZone> <Ryton> oki :-)
17:45:00  <ProZone> <Ryton> I dont mind semi-chaos
17:45:16  <ProZone> <Ryton> but I tought most Prozone players liked order more than badly build hubs :p
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17:47:49  <Chris_Booth[LP]> how does chaos ever equate to bad builing?
17:48:08  <ProZone> <Ryton> I can combine it :p
17:48:22  <ProZone> <Ryton> chaos means each player builds according to their own style
17:48:41  <ProZone> <V453000> chaos means mess
17:48:43  <ProZone> <Ryton> my style contains quite a lot of bad habbits... ergo, badly build
17:48:45  <ProZone> <V453000> bad building means shit
17:49:07  <ProZone> <Chris Booth> chaos mean without a plan
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17:49:12  <ProZone> <Chris Booth> bad building mean without a brain
17:49:56  <ProZone> <V453000> uhm
17:50:02  <ProZone> <V453000> Ryton, that SLH is way too close to the BBH
17:50:10  <ProZone> <V453000> and you dont even have the joiner towards it yet
17:50:18  <ProZone> <Ryton> thats why I asked :P
17:50:20  <ProZone> <Ryton> true :-)
17:50:20  <ProZone> <V453000> so that is going to be even closer
17:50:22  <ProZone> <Ryton> I'll move it :p
17:50:36  <ProZone> <V453000> please do
17:50:56  <ProZone> <V453000> btw you can ask about positions of SLHs in the terrain, but you should never ever build this close to a BBH :p
17:51:20  <ProZone> <Ryton> thanks , I'll remember tha :p
17:51:22  <ProZone> <Ryton> that now :-)
17:52:28  <ProZone> ***  made screenshot at 0000EF53: http://ps.openttdcoop.org/prozone/webcam/0000EF53.png
17:52:34  <ProZone> <Ryton> so, what about !here? :p
17:52:48  <ProZone> <Ryton> or I'll juist build it there,n and you can judge later ;-)
17:53:02  <ProZone> <V453000> that will be hard
17:53:09  <ProZone> <Ryton> so, joiner first then?
17:53:20  <ProZone> <V453000> yes !here 2 is better
17:53:20  <ProZone> <Ryton> here2?
17:53:41  <ProZone> <Ryton> the MSHin the PSG was there
17:53:49  <ProZone> <Ryton> but for 3 lanes, that was hard, SLH should be ok
17:54:19  <ProZone> <V453000> the position of PSG hubs is quite questionable
17:55:19  <ProZone> <Chris Booth> stupid paper mill
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17:56:15  <ProZone> <Chris Booth> BBH 04 built
17:56:44  <ProZone> <Chris Booth> 1 BBH left
17:56:50  <ProZone> <Chris Booth> although we could run trains now
17:58:57  <ProZone> <V453000> somebody here likes balancing through bridges
17:59:04  <ProZone> <Ryton> yeah :lp
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17:59:18  <ProZone> <Ryton> tough it depends on the trains... if its enough or too long
17:59:28  <ProZone> <Chris Booth> though
17:59:34  <ProZone> <Ryton> yeah that :p
17:59:54  <ProZone> <Chris Booth> hhhm
18:00:06  <ProZone> <Chris Booth> shall I fix !this
18:00:08  <ProZone> <V453000> well I do it myself but the usual goal of mine is to make them as close to the final merge
18:00:37  <ProZone> <V453000> oh, cl
18:00:51  <ProZone> <Chris Booth> yep
18:00:57  <ProZone> <Chris Booth> and bad merging
18:01:07  <ProZone> <V453000> why so
18:01:16  <ProZone> <V453000> wtf
18:01:24  <ProZone> <V453000> oh well
18:01:26  <ProZone> <V453000> that does not matter
18:01:32  <ProZone> <Chris Booth> now both ML directions have same number of mergers
18:01:46  <ProZone> <V453000> yes
18:01:49  <ProZone> <V453000> which rarely matters
18:01:52  <ProZone> <Chris Booth> otherwise the North ML had 1 and South had 2
18:02:05  <ProZone> <Chris Booth> can do, just habbit of mine
18:02:24  <ProZone> <V453000> habit in the wrong spot tbh
18:02:28  <ProZone> ***  made screenshot at 00017AD7: http://ps.openttdcoop.org/prozone/webcam/00017AD7.png
18:03:03  <ProZone> <Chris Booth> oh also in SLH 03 you need some none erail
18:03:18  <ProZone> <V453000> why
18:03:18  <ProZone> <V453000> no reason
18:03:22  <ProZone> <Chris Booth> yes
18:03:25  <ProZone> <Chris Booth> big reason
18:03:43  <ProZone> <V453000> cargo trains have no reason to pick that anyway
18:03:49  <ProZone> <Chris Booth> its called a short cut
18:03:52  <ProZone> <Chris Booth> at the momeny no
18:03:58  <ProZone> <Chris Booth> but you don't know
18:04:04  <ProZone> <V453000> bullshit
18:04:06  <ProZone> <Chris Booth> best not to give them the choice
18:04:23  <ProZone> <Chris Booth> your choice
18:04:52  <ProZone> <V453000> tell me then
18:04:58  <ProZone> <V453000> why would they pick that route
18:05:12  <ProZone> <Chris Booth> they are lost
18:05:27  <ProZone> <V453000> oh?
18:05:27  <ProZone> <Chris Booth> some thing breaks
18:05:40  <ProZone> <Chris Booth> some eRail is mis placed else where
18:05:44  <ProZone> <V453000> still nothing bad
18:05:49  <ProZone> ***  made screenshot at 000194CE: http://ps.openttdcoop.org/prozone/webcam/000194CE.png
18:05:56  <ProZone> <V453000> they would just get into the other SL where they could be anyway
18:06:16  <ProZone> <Chris Booth> if you use X there you dont need a pen
18:06:30  <ProZone> <Chris Booth> I was going to make some thing cool
18:07:12  <ProZone> <Chris Booth> check !this V453000
18:07:38  <ProZone> <V453000> nice but it does not fit
18:08:20  <ProZone> <V453000> feel free to try, it wont
18:08:33  <ProZone> <Chris Booth> oh lol
18:08:39  <ProZone> <Chris Booth> didn't see that tunnel
18:08:42  <ProZone> <Chris Booth> my bad :P
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18:09:42  <ProZone> <Chris Booth> Ryton: we generaly never spil for an SL or ML on bridges or tunnels
18:09:48  <ProZone> <Chris Booth> as it can jam
18:09:58  <ProZone> <Ryton> oki
18:10:49  <ProZone> <Ryton> true
18:10:56  <ProZone> <Ryton> thx for the lessons :-)
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18:11:23  <ProZone> <Chris Booth> I love the Centre of BBH 04
18:12:25  <ProZone> <Chris Booth> I can see us having a few LL_RR SLH here
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18:13:19  <ProZone> <Chris Booth> dinner time
18:13:21  <ProZone> <Chris Booth> BBL
18:13:23  <ProZone> <Chris Booth> toodles all
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19:32:44  <Chris_Booth[LP]> !password
19:32:44  <ProZone> Chris_Booth[LP]: olives
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19:33:57  <ProZone> <Chris Booth> epic
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19:34:01  <ProZone> <Chris Booth> thanks dude
19:34:03  <ProZone> <mfb> oh, something new
19:34:09  <ProZone> <Chris Booth> no
19:34:12  <ProZone> <Chris Booth> something old
19:34:26  <ProZone> <Chris Booth> its same map as PSG
19:34:29  <ProZone> <Chris Booth> but different GRFs
19:34:35  <ProZone> <mfb> :D
19:35:28  <ProZone> <mfb> more snow levels?
19:35:34  <ProZone> <Chris Booth> now sure
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19:36:37  <ProZone> <mfb> ok, what is missing?
19:36:47  <ProZone> <Chris Booth> One BBH
19:36:58  <ProZone> <Chris Booth> 1.5 main stations
19:37:21  <ProZone> <mfb> BBH to Mos?
19:37:35  <ProZone> <Chris Booth> BBH 06
19:37:51  <ProZone> <mfb> that is the BBH to mos? :D
19:38:01  <ProZone> <Chris Booth> no
19:38:07  <ProZone> <mfb> ?
19:38:21  <ProZone> <Chris Booth> Mosfellsbær: is on an SL
19:38:31  <ProZone> <Chris Booth> or BBH 04
19:38:34  <ProZone> <mfb> ah, there
19:38:36  <ProZone> <Chris Booth> 03 I mean
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19:40:18  <ProZone> <Chris Booth> I am also making a roundabout :D
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19:45:57  <ProZone> <Chris Booth> hhhm
19:46:43  <ProZone> <Chris Booth> brb
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20:01:10  <ProZone> <mfb> oh, there is the roundabout
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20:08:49  <ProZone> <mfb> "die" died
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20:48:45  <TWerkhoven> !password
20:48:45  <ProZone> TWerkhoven: sirens
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20:49:22  <ProZone> <TWerkhoven> ello
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20:50:41  <ProZone> <mfb> hi
20:53:29  <ProZone> <V453000> hi
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20:53:33  <ProZone> <TWerkhoven> eya
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20:56:13  <ProZone> <V453000> right, just 2 stations to go
20:56:28  <ProZone> <V453000> I built 2 already ..
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21:12:46  <ProZone> <V453000> oh what the
21:13:00  <ProZone> <V453000> I did not think he meant the "roundabout" that wy
21:13:00  <ProZone> <V453000> way
21:14:45  <V453000> mfb-: want to build oil/lv drop?
21:15:02  <mfb-> hmm
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21:16:13  <mfb-> there is some old idea which I would like to build somewhere
21:16:32  <mfb-> works with 2 lines only
21:17:11  <ProZone> <V453000> what exactly
21:17:53  <mfb-> should still exist in PSG209 in the north-west corner
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21:19:42  <ProZone> <V453000> not sure if I found the correct one
21:20:37  <ProZone> <V453000> but well, here you have a 2 line drop, so that should be it :)
21:20:50  <mfb-> :p
21:22:05  <ProZone> <V453000> call if you want helping hand :)
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21:23:09  <Chris_Booth[LP]> soory guys, laptop died
21:23:11  <Chris_Booth[LP]> back now
21:23:19  <Chris_Booth[LP]> !password
21:23:19  <ProZone> Chris_Booth[LP]: oozing
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21:24:38  <mfb-> how many platforms per line?
21:24:46  <ProZone> <Chris Booth> I hope you didn't take my template for my SLH as final
21:24:48  <ProZone> <Chris Booth> XD
21:25:28  <ProZone> <V453000> how many times do I tell there is no platforms/line :D
21:25:30  <ProZone> <Chris Booth> although it as a very stupid place to build it
21:25:45  <ProZone> <mfb> bah
21:25:51  <ProZone> <Chris Booth> mfb: there is a very good formula for that by mark on the blog
21:25:56  <ProZone> ***  made screenshot at 0001CD63: http://ps.openttdcoop.org/prozone/webcam/0001CD63.png
21:26:08  <ProZone> <Chris Booth> it involes speed, line density, and number of line
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21:29:38  <ProZone> <Chris Booth> mfb: I am just about to bomb BBH 06 it is that shit!
21:29:56  <ProZone> <mfb> feel free to
21:30:07  <ProZone> <V453000> uhm
21:30:21  <ProZone> <V453000> CB the only shit here is you
21:30:31  <ProZone> <Chris Booth> no V453000 check my signs
21:30:34  <ProZone> <V453000> I see them
21:30:37  <ProZone> <V453000> all has a reason
21:30:48  <ProZone> <V453000> true that the bridges are bad
21:30:50  <ProZone> <mfb> pbs????? is for the prio
21:31:06  <ProZone> <mfb> that does not work
21:31:08  <ProZone> <Chris Booth> why not that?
21:31:16  <ProZone> <Chris Booth> it the same
21:31:46  <ProZone> <Chris Booth> you are still missing a link
21:31:48  <ProZone> <V453000> lol
21:31:57  <ProZone> <Chris Booth> the ML on the left has no exits
21:32:01  <ProZone> <V453000> yeye
21:32:03  <ProZone> <V453000> ofc :d
21:32:05  <ProZone> <V453000> :D
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21:32:55  <ProZone> <V453000> the bridges could be "normal" though
21:33:01  <ProZone> <V453000> just like this
21:33:05  <ProZone> <Chris Booth> mkae the bridge 1 longer
21:33:07  <ProZone> <mfb> oh true
21:33:10  <ProZone> <Chris Booth> and you don't need PBS
21:33:26  <ProZone> <mfb> CL
21:34:45  <ProZone> <mfb> main entry is after the other line
21:34:56  <ProZone> <Chris Booth> then you are mixing over full lines which is even more retarded
21:35:22  <ProZone> <Chris Booth> and all the desyncs
21:35:36  <ProZone> <mfb> of 0.2 tiles
21:35:43  <ProZone> <mfb> within a half line
21:35:46  <ProZone> <Chris Booth> @201 that alot
21:35:53  <ProZone> <mfb> 201?
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21:35:59  <ProZone> <Chris Booth> the speed
21:36:09  <ProZone> <mfb> 0.2 tiles are always 0.2 tiles
21:36:21  <ProZone> <Chris Booth> you run trains at 201km/h on a full ML and see how they desync
21:36:31  <ProZone> <mfb> that is not a full ML ther
21:36:40  <ProZone> <V453000> but can be
21:36:46  <ProZone> <Chris Booth> yes
21:36:48  <ProZone> <V453000> and saying that you could also build a single bridge
21:36:50  <ProZone> <mfb> that does not harm
21:37:05  <ProZone> <Chris Booth> all the traffic could turn from east to south
21:37:11  <ProZone> <Chris Booth> we just don't know
21:37:13  <ProZone> <mfb> wait, you compare a signal gap of 3++ with 0.2 tiles of desync right in front of some joins and so on?
21:37:13  <ProZone> <V453000> I do not say you should fix the desyncs but your point is quite invalid
21:37:51  <ProZone> <V453000> the "reason" is the same - expected traffic could be theoretically less than 100%
21:38:10  <ProZone> <Chris Booth> mfb: no, never, but we are saying that we do not know that East - South will not be 80-100% of that line
21:38:32  <ProZone> <mfb> it will work with something like ~80% of the possible traffic - and I did not see more than that on real lines in the past
21:38:42  <ProZone> <Chris Booth> with a BBH as you know you should always plan for the 'Wosrt Cast"
21:38:45  <ProZone> <V453000> with the same arguments you could also make no balancing and say that you expect each of the line have X% of traffic, thus no balancing wors
21:38:48  <ProZone> <mfb> even without a split in front
21:38:50  <ProZone> <V453000> works
21:39:00  <ProZone> <mfb> no
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21:39:34  <ProZone> <mfb> in the worst case, the BBH cannot work at all as all trains want to join the same lines
21:39:36  <ProZone> <mfb> so 4->2
21:39:38  <ProZone> <Chris Booth> this is the worst thing about PZ, everyone thinks they are right even if they are wrong
21:39:55  <ProZone> <mfb> if that is the case, we have to expand anyway
21:40:07  <ProZone> <Chris Booth> then we make it 4->3 or 4 -> 4
21:40:19  <ProZone> <Chris Booth> yes and sync the fucking bridges
21:40:29  <ProZone> <Chris Booth> so why not sync them now!?????
21:40:36  <ProZone> <mfb> feel free to
21:40:43  <ProZone> <mfb> I don't see an easy way
21:40:59  <ProZone> <mfb> without snow or TF
21:41:27  <ProZone> <mfb> network plan :/
21:42:09  <ProZone> <Chris Booth> super easy
21:42:18  <ProZone> <mfb> and violated the network plan
21:42:30  <ProZone> <Chris Booth> no
21:42:33  <ProZone> <V453000> why would you keep the snow there
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21:42:41  <ProZone> <V453000> makes no obstacle
21:42:43  <ProZone> <mfb> because there was snow?
21:42:49  <ProZone> <V453000> and it is not snow
21:42:54  <ProZone> <V453000> snow == white tracks on it
21:43:04  <ProZone> <mfb> ok...
21:44:12  <ProZone> <Chris Booth> I mean I still don't like what I mark as missing link/mixing on full lines
21:44:18  <ProZone> <Chris Booth> but not the bridges are in sync
21:44:28  <ProZone> <Chris Booth> which IMO is very good
21:44:35  <ProZone> <mfb> mixing is there
21:44:43  <ProZone> <mfb> at !mixing
21:44:45  <ProZone> <Chris Booth> since now you 2+2 arguemt is valid
21:44:47  <ProZone> <Chris Booth> I know
21:44:56  <ProZone> <V453000> the merger is fairly bad, but lets see how it works
21:44:58  <ProZone> <Chris Booth> but on what I see to be full lines
21:45:12  <ProZone> <mfb> if they are full, we need a 3rd line
21:45:14  <ProZone> <V453000> just stop arguing, you wont agree anyway
21:45:16  <ProZone> <mfb> no way to go around that
21:45:31  <ProZone> <mfb> and no way to fix it without a 3rd line then ;)
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21:46:12  <ProZone> <Chris Booth> mfb: don't think of it full as in no gaps, think of it full as in stoping a more busy line
21:46:40  <ProZone> <Chris Booth> you are baicaly causing more stoping point than you need to
21:46:52  <ProZone> <mfb> we'll see
21:47:12  <ProZone> <Chris Booth> ok BBH 04 is a bad example as I left it prior free until I know the traffic level
21:47:20  <ProZone> <Chris Booth> but every join from every ml line need to stop twice
21:47:36  <ProZone> <Chris Booth> but in your hubs case they are not all equal
21:47:52  <ProZone> <mfb> that is true
21:48:02  <ProZone> <V453000> it might still work though
21:48:30  <ProZone> <Chris Booth> yes, as I said BBH 04 is not perfect and just the way I see fit to build
21:48:34  <ProZone> <Chris Booth> fot all I know its wrong
21:49:12  <ProZone> <Chris Booth> the reason I said that is it has only 2 merge chances not 3
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21:49:31  <ProZone> <mfb> ?
21:49:51  <ProZone> <Chris Booth> see my signs
21:49:53  <ProZone> <mfb> indeed
21:50:10  <ProZone> <Chris Booth> I know about that
21:50:22  <ProZone> <mfb> if it does not work, I change it
21:50:26  <ProZone> <Chris Booth> but was just saying in the term of keeping all lines eual
21:50:30  <ProZone> <Chris Booth> equal
21:50:39  <ProZone> <Chris Booth> and giving all tarffic the same chance
21:50:51  <ProZone> <Chris Booth> I am not saying it is wrong
21:50:57  <ProZone> <Chris Booth> apart from the desync
21:52:20  <ProZone> <V453000> nice layout :)
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21:52:44  <ProZone> <mfb> still have to see if it works
21:52:58  <ProZone> <Chris Booth> mfb: that look fimiliar
21:53:28  <ProZone> <Chris Booth> think you showed it to me in the last pax game
21:53:38  <ProZone> <mfb> psg209, yes
21:53:53  <ProZone> <V453000> 209 is not a pax game, 209 is steamer
21:54:03  <ProZone> <mfb> oh, remove the yes
21:54:09  <ProZone> <mfb> but it was psg209 :D
21:54:12  <ProZone> <V453000> :)
21:54:17  <ProZone> <Chris Booth> aah ues 209
21:54:39  <ProZone> <Chris Booth> and we agreed it would work and look cool
21:55:14  <ProZone> <mfb> and it is more flexible in terms of landscape than I thought
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21:56:06  <ProZone> <V453000> snowy exit
21:56:23  <ProZone> <V453000> or is that terminus?
21:56:37  <ProZone> <V453000> okay
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21:58:38  <ProZone> <V453000> ok then, there still is 1 main station to be done :) TWerkhoven seems like not doing it
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22:00:50  <ProZone> <Chris Booth> and 1 town
22:00:52  <ProZone> <V453000> fucking dumb PBS
22:01:03  <ProZone> <mfb> ?
22:01:11  <ProZone> <V453000> nevermind
22:01:25  <ProZone> <V453000> just poor deciding as always
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22:04:15  <ProZone> <V453000> no pickups to come? :)
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22:08:37  <mfb-> working on an experimental thing in the singleplayer at the moment
22:08:41  <ProZone> <Chris Booth> ok itsmy bedtime
22:08:43  <ProZone> <Chris Booth> nn guys
22:08:49  <ProZone> *** Chris Booth has left the game (leaving)
22:09:10  <mfb-> hint: it involves a tunnel of 350 tiles ;)
22:09:12  <mfb-> good night
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22:09:25  <ProZone> <V453000> what is that good for
22:09:57  <mfb-> easy to build lines if you can tunnel/bridge everything
22:10:49  <mfb-> 3 lines are testing the stability of the timetables now
22:10:54  <mfb-> with 4 tiles separation
22:11:17  <ProZone> <V453000> oh, so some signal less stuff -.-
22:11:42  <mfb-> I did not forget the idea
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22:18:34  <ProZone> <V453000> mfb: where do you want the FPP
22:18:37  <ProZone> <V453000> at the bought land?
22:18:57  <ProZone> <mfb> looks like a nice place for it
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22:23:56  <ProZone> <V453000> mfb: I will be going, feel free to use !unpause if you feel like building anything :)
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22:29:57  <mfb-> looks nice when a train wave leaves such a tunnel
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22:42:25  <mfb-> but I have to work at the injection timing :D
22:42:43  <mfb-> 15 trains -> down to 6
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