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21:20:51  <Chris_Booth> do you guy want another free server?
21:22:58  <Chris_Booth> if you do just email me
21:23:00  <Chris_Booth> or PM me
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21:30:57  <planetmaker> currently we have all the server we need. Thanks, Chris_Booth
21:31:27  <Chris_Booth> ok
21:31:46  <Chris_Booth> its a windows server anyway so not great for hosting game
21:31:48  <Chris_Booth> s
21:31:57  <Chris_Booth> but thought I would offer
21:35:11  <Chris_Booth> planetmaker: you know anyone else who could make use of a high end windows server?
21:35:41  <planetmaker> Not at the moment
21:35:51  <planetmaker> I mean...  many could. Especially spammers ;-)
21:36:24  <Chris_Booth> I hate spammers
21:37:30  <Sylf> i know mant ppl who don't enen want to touch a windows server even with a 10-meter pole
21:38:00  <TWerkhoven[l]> i wouldnt mind one
21:38:14  <TWerkhoven[l]> course first thing i would do is remove all traces of windows
21:38:17  <Chris_Booth> Sylf: I only use them
21:38:38  <Chris_Booth> TWerkhoven[l]: you would not be allowed to do that
21:39:55  <Chris_Booth> I might just turn the server frame off, and give more to my others
21:40:36  <TWerkhoven[l]> :)
21:45:29  <Chris_Booth> I guess when you can run ASP and T SQL on a linux server native I will change
21:45:43  <Chris_Booth> but until the MS is much better for VS development
21:46:50  <planetmaker> windows indeed is the thing which even in case of need would make me thing at least twice.
21:47:10  <planetmaker> It mostly means I can run nothing of what I'd need it for
21:47:50  <planetmaker> and it'd mean I'd have again try to remember how windows works. Heck, I even forgot how that ugly explorer works
21:48:06  <planetmaker> (just found out the hard way yesterday)
21:48:28  <planetmaker> non of the usual shortcuts works ;-)
21:49:02  <Chris_Booth> explorer on the servers in not needed
21:49:04  <planetmaker> well. not none. But not the one for 'open another one of these windows'
21:49:25  <planetmaker> so that I can properly move files
21:49:42  <planetmaker> for once, OpenTTD won't run on a windows server
21:49:54  <planetmaker> not with the IRC bridge we use
21:50:10  <Chris_Booth> no AP doen't work on windows
21:50:19  <Chris_Booth> not without alot of work
21:50:30  <planetmaker> with no work
21:50:42  <planetmaker> I know a lot of people who tried. And all failed
21:50:56  <planetmaker> The required work would be: install linux (or macos)
21:51:22  <planetmaker> or rewrite the tcl expect package and teach windows to properly handled signals
21:51:31  <planetmaker> which is what it fails on
21:52:05  <Chris_Booth> or write AP in a windows language
21:53:22  <planetmaker> that'd not be ap+
21:53:38  <Chris_Booth> could be ap# XD
21:54:16  <Sylf> ap.NET ofcourse
21:54:39  <planetmaker> well. AP+ is a deprecated solution anyway
21:54:51  <TWerkhoven[l]> just no successor ready yet?
21:54:52  <planetmaker> Anything new should use the admin port
21:54:59  <planetmaker> I know of no substitute
21:55:22  <planetmaker> If someone knows an open-source substitute: please tell me (or any other coop member)
21:55:28  <planetmaker> I'd gladly give it a shot
21:55:32  <Chris_Booth> wasn't osai working on something?
21:55:51  <planetmaker> I also don't know anyone working on anything
21:55:58  <TWerkhoven[l]> theres grapes (java) but it doesnt do very much atm afaik
21:56:27  <planetmaker> Yes, that I'm well aware of. But it's so far only a proof of concept that the admin port works
21:56:36  <planetmaker> Yes, I tested it. Also on the PS ;-)
21:56:42  <TWerkhoven[l]> :)
21:57:10  <planetmaker> unfortunately dih became quite inactive after that
21:57:35  <planetmaker> I hoped he'd finish with a soltuion which would do at least a significant part of what ap+ does now
21:57:42  <Chris_Booth> did he not release the soorce and package info?
21:57:50  <planetmaker> even though I personally don#t like java too much. But... well :-)
21:58:04  <planetmaker> He released everything. His repos are on the DevZone
21:58:10  <TWerkhoven[l]> would you like eggdrop with c-module or tcl-script?
21:59:14  <planetmaker> Dunno. Might be a way
21:59:19  <Chris_Booth> I would not write anything in Java, as I hate netbeans and hate eclipce
21:59:31  <Sylf> havent heard of eggdrop in 13 years :o
21:59:31  <planetmaker> I've no fixed pre-conception of how it should work or be implemented, TWerkhoven[l]
21:59:43  <planetmaker> I just... want something which does what ap+ does
21:59:54  <planetmaker> and which uses the admin port instead
21:59:57  <TWerkhoven[l]> its still active, i used to run a couple years ago
22:00:04  <planetmaker> and which is open-source so that we can adjust it
22:00:07  <planetmaker> if needed
22:00:08  <Chris_Booth> would you be of with something in asp?
22:00:26  <planetmaker> it need run on linux, of course
22:01:09  <Chris_Booth> asp could manage a linux server, but would have to run on a windows server
22:01:26  <planetmaker> that's uninteresting
22:01:56  <Chris_Booth> but I recond you could me a nice website embeded controller in ASP with C#
22:01:59  <planetmaker> it'd require another server with high license fees for that
22:02:15  <Chris_Booth> I would loan you mine
22:02:23  <Chris_Booth> but I would not write the code
22:02:28  <planetmaker> nor would I
22:02:56  <planetmaker> and honestly: a 2nd server to control an openttd on another server: very very bad setup
22:03:10  <planetmaker> it adds too many additional and unnecessary single point of failures
22:03:41  <planetmaker> thus it should run in the same VM as the server itself
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