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Log for #openttdcoop.stable on 19th August 2010:
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00:05:39  *** KenjiE20 has quit IRC
00:48:32  <Stablean> *** The Z joined the game
01:03:56  <Stablean> *** Aziroshin has left the game (connection lost)
01:03:56  <Stablean> *** Game paused (number of players)
01:04:27  <Stablean> *** Game unpaused (number of players)
01:04:28  <Stablean> *** Aziroshin joined the game
01:53:54  <Stablean> *** eyescream joined the game
01:53:55  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> xD
01:54:08  <Stablean> <eyescream> hi :>
01:54:17  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> Hellow o,o
02:08:32  <Stablean> <eyescream> n00z
02:08:38  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> o.o
02:08:48  <Stablean> <eyescream> die trees sind nicer :>
02:08:52  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> /w eyescream Test
02:09:06  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> Let's talk English. o,o
02:09:16  <Stablean> <eyescream> du kannst auf client list gehn und dann wechseln, sind eh nur wir 2 da
02:09:35  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> /private Test
02:10:37  <Stablean> <eyescream> Aziroshin: test
02:10:43  <Stablean> <eyescream> meh :>
02:10:43  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> /msg
02:10:53  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> :<
02:11:20  <Stablean> <eyescream> :<<
02:11:34  <Stablean> <The Z> does this game end 2051?
02:11:53  <Stablean> <eyescream> or maybe we are not alone after all :>
02:11:58  <Stablean> <eyescream> i have no idea.
02:12:19  <Stablean> <The Z> i forgot to say hi btw
02:12:45  <Stablean> <The Z> i'm hoping to join the next game
02:12:59  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> Why don't you join right now?
02:13:01  <Stablean> <The Z> seeing as most resources have been exploited here
02:13:32  <Stablean> <The Z> well i joined yesterday, but i didnt think id compete with the likes of henri
02:13:54  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> When I started, he already had his company like this
02:14:05  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> He practically didn't do anything since I came here. :o
02:14:24  <Stablean> <The Z> ive only seen you here and eyescream
02:14:34  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> I started yesterday.
02:14:44  <Stablean> <The Z> i like to start early on
02:14:50  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> :)
02:14:57  <Stablean> <The Z> build up a network in the 50s
02:15:08  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> Ah, yeah, me too.
02:15:14  <Stablean> <The Z> thats when the game is most challenging
02:15:14  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> I started when the server was in the 1953s
02:15:32  <Stablean> <The Z> i checked the server late yesterday
02:15:38  <Stablean> <The Z> im in GMT btw
02:15:52  <Stablean> <The Z> what time zone are you in?
02:15:58  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> Central europe
02:16:05  <Stablean> <The Z> which country?
02:16:08  <Stablean> <eyescream> summer time.
02:16:10  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> Switzerland
02:16:12  <Stablean> <eyescream> so gmt +2
02:16:18  <Stablean> <eyescream> germany here
02:16:20  <Stablean> <The Z> hi!
02:16:27  <Stablean> <eyescream> hey :)
02:16:30  <Stablean> <The Z> im in uk so BST (gmt+1)
02:16:42  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> I guess It's partially due to me having played so much yesterday and today that the server has progressed that far in time already. XD
02:16:48  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> Hello
02:16:54  <Stablean> <The Z> i must say germany and switzerland are great countries
02:17:04  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> How do I get the log that vanished back btw?
02:17:06  <Stablean> <The Z> been to switzerland many times and i love it
02:17:20  <Stablean> <eyescream> i am wondering that too..maybe i should check my settings at one point
02:17:31  <Stablean> <eyescream> i haven't been to switzerland in years..but my aunt lives there
02:17:51  <Stablean> <The Z> ive got a few friends there
02:18:08  <Stablean> <The Z> i might to to geneva in a couple of weeks to see some
02:18:36  <Stablean> <eyescream> :o nice
02:18:44  <Stablean> <The Z> have you seen some of jord1's network
02:19:10  <Stablean> <The Z> lesstock heath west isnt big enough for his longest trains
02:19:20  <Stablean> <The Z> so loading takes ages
02:19:22  <Stablean> <eyescream> i've been following some of his tracks, quite cool
02:19:44  <Stablean> <The Z> his network is low traffic and he's got links
02:20:04  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> Henrys?
02:20:06  <Stablean> <The Z> but his junctions have sharp curves
02:20:13  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> Sorry, most of the conversation has been lost in  disappearing log already. =\
02:20:15  <Stablean> <The Z> jorD1's
02:21:10  <Stablean> <The Z> do you guys play on #openttdcoop's public server?
02:21:30  <Stablean> <eyescream> this is the first time i've actually played it online, except for with aziroshin alone the other day
02:21:30  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> It's locked, if I am not mistaken.
02:21:44  <Stablean> <The Z> the password is on the irc channel
02:21:50  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> And, I am kinda new. I started playing like.. not even a week ago.XD
02:22:00  <Stablean> <The Z> well i'm new to this too
02:22:11  <Stablean> <The Z> i did spectate one of their games once
02:22:42  <Stablean> <The Z> but it was so far in it was confusingly complex
02:23:24  <Stablean> <eyescream> yeah this already confuses me enough to not want to start doing a thing
02:23:29  <Stablean> <eyescream> far nicer to start a new game instead
02:23:51  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> I started when some already had some pretty wealthy companies
02:23:53  <Stablean> <The Z> ...which is why i'm waiting for a new game on this server lol
02:24:17  <Stablean> <The Z> they just spend a day making the network and leave it to generate rev
02:24:55  <Stablean> <The Z> how long have you guys been into TTD?
02:24:55  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> .. it always disappears what people say
02:25:05  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> As said, I started playing less than a week ago.XD
02:25:19  <Stablean> <eyescream> i've been playing for a bit longer than that but not much, really
02:25:21  <Stablean> <The Z> the whole game!?
02:25:23  <Stablean> <The Z> wow
02:26:01  <Stablean> <The Z> what i meant was when did you discover OTTD was it really that recently?
02:26:34  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> I have known abiout it for long, but only that it existed and what it was
02:26:36  <Stablean> <eyescream> i've known about it for years, tried it late last year/early this year a couple of times and then again 2 weeks ago or something
02:26:40  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> I started playing a few days ago.
02:26:55  <Stablean> <eyescream> so we're pretty much noobs :P
02:27:01  <Stablean> <The Z> your networks are like veterans'
02:27:11  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> Well, if you look closely, my network is bugged.
02:27:13  <Stablean> <The Z> only without the load balancers and prios
02:27:27  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> However, I am fixing the bugs.
02:27:27  <Stablean> <eyescream> i have no network :D
02:27:29  <Stablean> <The Z> where exactly is the problem
02:27:29  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> Or, well, trying to.
02:27:36  <Stablean> <eyescream> i just joined to check this server out basically
02:27:42  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> Well, I guess I dont even know all the problems.
02:27:52  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> Ill discover over time. :s
02:27:54  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> However, I can show you something..
02:28:12  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> I have a train that is going wild
02:28:18  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> I just isolated it to care about it later.
02:28:26  <Stablean> <The Z> what number?
02:28:40  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> 7
02:28:50  <Stablean> <The Z> i see it
02:28:52  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> Its not the first train that falls for this
02:28:54  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> However, its always passanger trains.
02:29:00  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> I changed its orders
02:29:07  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> So, it fell into this with different orders
02:29:23  <Stablean> <eyescream> semi-afk for a bit :o
02:29:30  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> If you go to Old Trenthwaite
02:29:40  <Stablean> <The Z> yeah
02:29:51  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> It was meant to travel from there to  wreadwitch Halt
02:30:06  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> It kinda hat its semi-own trassé to do so
02:30:07  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> *had
02:30:26  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> If I remember correctly... was it that train after all? I am pretty sure.
02:30:37  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> I kinda found it there, even though it should never have went there.
02:30:39  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> XD
02:31:03  <Stablean> <The Z> well let me help check the lines
02:31:14  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> Ill set a train on that path.
02:31:16  <Stablean> <The Z> normally the pathfinding is good with YAPF
02:31:23  <Stablean> <The Z> gimme a number and ill follow it
02:31:28  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> Yup
02:32:21  <Stablean> <The Z> when you clone trains, do you share orders?
02:32:48  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> I have to admit, I never cloned trains so far. As you can see, too, there arent that many trains , actrually on my network.
02:33:08  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> With trams, they all are on their different routes I came up with on a whim. XD
02:33:15  <Stablean> <The Z> lol
02:33:41  <Stablean> <The Z> esp with passenger trains i often clone them when capacity is exceeded
02:33:57  <Stablean> <The Z> and i make sure that orders are shared so that future stops are easy to add
02:33:59  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> I havent found a way to clone them without them being in a depot.
02:34:25  <Stablean> <The Z> you can clone any train - you just have to click the loco
02:34:39  <Stablean> <The Z> using the 'clone train' button in depot
02:35:04  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> Okay, train 24
02:35:06  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> its still in the depot
02:35:08  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> Say when youre ready.
02:35:14  <Stablean> <The Z> ready
02:35:29  <Stablean> <The Z> i see its a dedicated line
02:35:43  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> It once was
02:35:53  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> As you see a little further up, things changed a little over time. XD
02:36:17  <Stablean> <The Z> btw trains too long for the platform
02:36:19  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> It was me, already being quite sleepy, wanting to circumvent that huge power plant station over there.
02:36:25  <Stablean> <The Z> thats why loading is so slow
02:36:27  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> What is the problem with it?
02:36:29  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> I see.
02:36:35  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> I love mammoth trains. :<
02:36:41  <Stablean> <The Z> same lol
02:36:48  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> My most mammothy coal train unfortunately had to leave wagons behind
02:36:55  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> the coal mine started to dry up.. :<
02:36:58  <Stablean> <The Z> if platform length is 3 tiles max train length is 6 in depot view
02:37:13  <Stablean> <The Z> haha
02:37:15  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> 2 wagons per platform unit?
02:37:21  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> Yuck
02:37:23  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> what was that.. x_X
02:37:25  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> Oh wtf
02:37:29  <Stablean> <The Z> one way signal
02:37:36  <Stablean> <The Z> its easier not to use semaphores
02:37:39  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> Yup, but it should not go there, the train
02:37:51  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> I know, the lights are so easy to see..
02:38:01  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> But the semaphores have style. :<
02:38:11  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> Well, there we go, now its borked. XD
02:38:11  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> Moment
02:38:18  <Stablean> <The Z> lol
02:38:48  <Stablean> <The Z> well theres a one way path signal at the south
02:38:50  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> It should never have gone there to begin with
02:38:56  <Stablean> <The Z> lol
02:38:58  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> Ill need to restructure that
02:39:13  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> Give me a moment o,o
02:39:23  <Stablean> <The Z> coal trains blocked as well haha
02:39:33  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> Yeah, this is an important route, kinda
02:39:43  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> Fortunately, most of my profit is made elsewhere.
02:39:43  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> XD
02:39:54  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> Its with that huge ass line you see to thet east of the map
02:39:57  <Stablean> <The Z> build a side track next to the other bugged train
02:40:30  <Stablean> <The Z> and build a depot at the end of that until you fix bugs
02:40:33  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> xD
02:40:47  <Stablean> <The Z> nice
02:40:49  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> Oops
02:41:12  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> Let's lower that land while were at it.
02:41:12  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> XD
02:41:18  <Stablean> <The Z> btw if you stop both bugged trains they have no running costs applied
02:41:28  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> Right, Ive read that
02:41:59  <Stablean> <The Z> instead of waypoints give station orders for the trains and have them be non-stop
02:42:15  <Stablean> <The Z> that sorts some problems out in general
02:42:46  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> I made the waypoints you see because  the affected trains wanted to go to the power plant station
02:42:52  <Stablean> <The Z> and the track from old trenthwaite actually connects to the outbound track for wreaditch halt
02:43:03  <Stablean> <The Z> not the inbound
02:43:14  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> Yeah, thats because the train would then come from the outbound track to its own line
02:43:24  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> However, it took the route it should later return from
02:43:26  <Stablean> <The Z> but the outbound has one-way signals on it
02:43:28  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> Which of course isnt good
02:43:51  <Stablean> <The Z> if you connect the outbound and inbound to the dedicated track at a level crossing with path signals
02:44:05  <Stablean> <The Z> south of the girder bridge
02:44:23  <Stablean> <The Z> or connect the dedicated track to the inbound
02:44:29  <Stablean> <The Z> you can maintain two one-way tracks
02:44:47  <Stablean> <The Z> makes signalling easier and avoids routing problems
02:44:59  <Stablean> <The Z> a well-made network shouldnt need waypoints
02:45:10  <Stablean> <The Z> the pathfinder will find the best route
02:45:29  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> As said, this network has some problems which are due to me still not knowing certain things about the game.
02:45:47  <Stablean> <The Z> well that's why im trying to help :)
02:45:53  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> For instance, I found out here that these one way pathing signals dont exactly behave as I expected.
02:46:03  <Stablean> <The Z> well there's two types
02:46:10  <Stablean> <The Z> path signal and path signal with no entry
02:46:25  <Stablean> <The Z> the one with the board on the back means you cant go against it
02:46:35  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> I expected those with no entry would be handled like it's a one way track. However, the train still goes there "to find out"
02:46:50  <Stablean> <The Z> yep - but thats because it cant find a better route
02:47:09  <Stablean> <The Z> if it cant find a good route itll screw up and do weird stuff
02:47:11  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> Well,  I placed a normal signal there and it, all of a sudden, went where it should. :x
02:47:49  <Stablean> <The Z> basically only use path signals at large junctions where 2+ lines cross at the same level
02:48:11  <Stablean> <The Z> an example is stations with two lines at entry and exit
02:48:36  <Stablean> <The Z> if you want i can start a company and show you what i mean
02:48:50  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> =D
02:49:04  <Stablean> <The Z> youve convinced me to do what i didnt want to do lol
02:49:14  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> xD
02:49:20  <Stablean> <The Z> just need to find a moneymaking route
02:50:06  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> Still think about my network the way you did before? XD
02:50:16  <Stablean> <The Z> nope lol!
02:50:16  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> There are other issues, and some routes still need debugging.
02:50:18  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> Heh ;)
02:50:46  <Stablean> *** The Z has started a new company (#9)
02:53:44  <Stablean> <The Z> lol new company set up and first train running
02:53:58  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> Where is it?
02:54:01  <Stablean> <The Z> but itll be some time before i make a lot of money
02:54:04  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> Ah, there
02:54:26  <Stablean> <The Z> best way to start a game
02:54:48  <Stablean> <The Z> coal has the highest earnings over distance
02:54:58  <Stablean> <The Z> at the start of the game
02:54:58  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> I started the same way.
02:55:16  <Stablean> <The Z> well then you started like a pro!
02:55:39  <Stablean> <The Z> yay i have more monies!
02:55:49  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> Coal gives a lot of earnings and is ridiculously cheap to network.
02:55:52  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> xD grats
02:56:42  <Stablean> <The Z> what other games do you play btw?
02:57:09  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> Well, I play many games. I prefer strategy/simualation.
02:57:19  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> However, I also play World of Warcraft, mainly because of  certain people.
02:57:29  <Stablean> <The Z> yeah so many people play that
02:57:36  <Stablean> <The Z> i cant believe how popular it is
02:57:43  <Stablean> <The Z> what about sim city?
02:57:45  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> I also do like RPGs and MMORPGs in particular.
02:57:55  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> It was my first game, probably apart from Settlers 2
02:57:55  <Stablean> <The Z> explains WoW
02:58:01  <Stablean> <The Z> lol i love SC
02:58:12  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> Well, it kinda doesn't, because WoW isn't really a prime example.
02:58:19  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> I dont like it that much.
02:58:35  <Stablean> <The Z> well the originals not really but SC 4 i really like
02:58:41  <Stablean> <The Z> best city builder out there
02:58:51  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> SC4 is neat.
02:58:57  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> I started with Sim City 2000
02:59:00  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> Not with the original.
02:59:06  <Stablean> <The Z> same
02:59:32  <Stablean> <The Z> sim city societies however ruined the series
02:59:47  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> It's not even the series.
03:00:19  <Stablean> <The Z> what i love about sc4 though is the modding ability
03:00:33  <Stablean> <The Z> they made it so that you can add new buildings and roads
03:00:47  <Stablean> <The Z> and new trains - makes it more like ottd :)
03:00:57  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> The trains.
03:01:03  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> Building unlogical stations.. XD
03:01:10  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> Just for the sake of there being a mainstation. :[
03:01:20  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> Instead of these hilarious farm houses..
03:01:22  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> :x
03:01:26  <Stablean> <The Z> the metros are annoying though
03:01:34  <Stablean> <The Z> they get over capacity so easily
03:01:52  <Stablean> <The Z> rather than being able to route the cargo like in ottd
03:02:14  <Stablean> <The Z> and send it over less overloaded parts of the network
03:02:16  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> Call me crazy, but you can see things in my cities like monoral AND metro AND trains.
03:02:30  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> Well, I guess its similar with you. XD
03:02:34  <Stablean> <The Z> well the only way to handle commuters is with trains
03:02:40  <Stablean> <The Z> hey have by far the greatest capacity
03:02:46  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> People that are into games like ttd are like that I guess..
03:02:46  <Stablean> <The Z> *they
03:02:53  <Stablean> <The Z> true
03:03:09  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> I love that you can build trams here..
03:03:11  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> It's awesome
03:03:17  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> But they miss things like the dutch tram pack.
03:03:19  <Stablean> <The Z> you can do that in sim city as well now
03:03:27  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> The trams here are rather generic looking. <_<
03:03:51  <Stablean> <The Z> but that's in the newgrf pack for openttdcoop
03:04:05  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> Go check one of my trams and tell me what strikes you..
03:04:05  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> XD
03:04:11  <Stablean> <The Z> the dutch tram set isnt too amazing though the capacities are small
03:04:41  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> You see the locos that are pulling most of my coal trains.
03:04:47  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> .. ;)
03:04:47  <Stablean> <The Z> yeah
03:05:05  <Stablean> <The Z> steam trains lol
03:05:12  <Stablean> <The Z> similar to my coal train
03:05:22  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> A steam tram engine
03:05:48  <Stablean> <The Z> haha
03:05:54  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> Designed: 1903
03:05:57  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> =D
03:06:12  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> My mammoth train had - and even though smaller now, still has - two of these.
03:06:18  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> Looked awesoe. =D
03:06:36  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> I figured alter that it wouldnt have been necessary. However, that's not that important.
03:06:38  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> XD
03:06:48  <Stablean> <The Z> you know the maximum station spread is 64 tiles?
03:07:00  <Stablean> <The Z> i once built a station and made a train that would fit into that
03:07:10  <Stablean> <The Z> it looked awesome
03:07:16  <Stablean> <The Z> it had like 20 locos
03:07:18  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> O.O
03:07:28  <Stablean> <The Z> but its useless
03:07:31  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> I guess thats one of these things that should be done in multiplayer, too. XD
03:07:34  <Stablean> <The Z> any curve is too sharp
03:07:48  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> The game takes that into account?
03:07:52  <Stablean> <The Z> yeah
03:07:58  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> Awesome..
03:08:24  <Stablean> <The Z> if the diagonal part of the track is shorter than the train the train slows down
03:08:44  <Stablean> <The Z> follow one of your longest trains and watch its speed
03:10:16  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> You're in the pluses now. =D
03:10:19  <Stablean> <The Z> lol you really need to upgrade those tram engines
03:10:26  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> Never. XD
03:10:32  <Stablean> <The Z> im still 42k in the black
03:10:38  <Stablean> <The Z> *red sorry
03:10:44  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> Right..
03:10:48  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> yuck
03:11:06  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> What is the condition for the company to get liquidated?
03:11:48  <Stablean> <The Z> when your bank balance is very into the red and you can't borrow money to save yourself
03:12:07  <Stablean> <The Z> basically if youre balance is in red figures youre in trouble
03:12:28  <Stablean> <The Z> at that point stop/sell trains and borrow money until you are profitable again
03:12:51  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> I think I remember (in a former game) it said in the newspaper that my company is in trouble, however, my laon limit was not exceeded.
03:12:53  <Stablean> <The Z> if its all in vain beg for some money from another person
03:13:11  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> I always take loans
03:13:25  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> I took loans here, too. I had 150k of loans when I stopped needing them.
03:13:37  <Stablean> <The Z> my tactic is to get rid of the loan asap as interest is paid on every 10k
03:14:07  <Stablean> <The Z> and i only take out loans if expansions are lucrative and i can't afford them
03:14:21  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> There are always lucrative expansions. Thats how I see it.
03:14:24  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> XD
03:14:27  <Stablean> <The Z> true
03:14:37  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> The sooner I get good income, the better.
03:14:39  <Stablean> <The Z> late in the game its trying to steal resources from others
03:14:45  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> All of a sudden, the income dwarfs the loan.
03:14:52  <Stablean> <The Z> thats one problem with this game
03:15:10  <Stablean> <The Z> once you get millions - you do what the hell you please
03:15:28  <Stablean> <The Z> theres one game on a 2048 map where i have only passenger and mail services
03:15:39  <Stablean> <The Z> and im into the billions there with only 100 years done
03:15:54  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> Moment
03:15:56  <Stablean> <The Z> and ive only connected like 10% of the cities
03:15:58  <Stablean> <The Z> kk
03:17:04  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> back
03:17:24  <Stablean> <The Z> lol i dont even know why i'm up at this time
03:17:34  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> xD
03:17:41  <Stablean> <The Z> 4 in the morning here playing openttd
03:17:44  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> xD
03:17:50  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> The white player
03:17:56  <Stablean> <The Z> lol
03:17:58  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> He kinda already did some tries to steal resources
03:18:09  <Stablean> <The Z> yeah
03:18:26  <Stablean> <The Z> i'm thinking i steal some of his in the future
03:18:29  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> xD
03:18:35  <Stablean> <The Z> hes not here
03:18:46  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> Well, he did it while I was absent, too
03:18:52  <Stablean> <The Z> just make some good services with regular trains to build good ratings
03:18:54  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> Build that station at Freadnor. :x
03:19:05  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> My ratings are awesome - in the cities I have trams.
03:19:24  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> Okay, not the station ratings
03:19:28  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> they are okayish
03:19:38  <Stablean> <The Z> i think hell try to use your tram tracks and build his own tram stops
03:19:44  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> But I had station ratings of 98% or something at some point XD
03:19:50  <Stablean> <The Z> thats awesome
03:19:57  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> At my home town
03:20:03  <Stablean> <The Z> part of the station rating is your company performance rating
03:20:11  <Stablean> <The Z> wheres your home town?
03:20:17  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> Wreaditch
03:20:23  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> No hq build yet, however.. :x
03:20:29  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> I consider it my home town, at least.
03:20:29  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> XD
03:20:35  <Stablean> <The Z> you know your hq produces passengers and mail
03:20:45  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> Does it really produce as many that it is considerable?
03:20:52  <Stablean> <The Z> well some say it does
03:20:59  <Stablean> <The Z> mainly mail though
03:21:22  <Stablean> <The Z> and i dont know if this newgrf has mail trams
03:21:29  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> It does
03:21:39  <Stablean> <The Z> the german sets have cargo trams for goods :)
03:21:57  <Stablean> <The Z> like the one volkswagen uses
03:22:40  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> Is air really frowned upon in multiplayer?
03:22:51  <Stablean> <The Z> well yes and no
03:23:09  <Stablean> <The Z> openttdcoop only use air as a moneymaker early on and then get rid of it
03:23:28  <Stablean> <The Z> there were a couple of games i played online one where someone started with air
03:23:34  <Stablean> <The Z> and they quickly made the most money
03:23:48  <Stablean> <The Z> so i tried it in the second game and quickly became much richer than everyone else
03:23:58  <Stablean> <The Z> and they were using air as well lol
03:24:12  <Stablean> <The Z> but trains are the most exciting by far
03:24:27  <Stablean> <The Z> and the biggest challenge so true players only use rail and trams
03:24:37  <Stablean> <The Z> like me :)
03:24:47  <Stablean> <The Z> loan repaid!!!
03:24:49  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> XDD
03:24:51  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> Grats
03:25:17  <Stablean> <The Z> but ill take out another one because ive found a second route
03:25:21  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> =D
03:25:40  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> Btw. What is your impression of my network, given that I am new? o,o
03:25:49  <Stablean> <The Z> its getting there
03:26:03  <Stablean> <The Z> just remember to have two one-way tracks
03:26:23  <Stablean> <The Z> and make sure the network is as simple as possible at the start
03:26:37  <Stablean> <The Z> makes debugging at the end simpler
03:26:41  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> Yeah, my network was quite simple. XD
03:26:51  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> You can still see puny remnants
03:26:58  <Stablean> <The Z> lol
03:27:00  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> "Old Trenthwaite Mines"
03:27:07  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> West of the big power plant station
03:27:19  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> Okay, I think I made the station bigger
03:27:21  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> xD
03:27:35  <Stablean> <The Z> small production lol
03:27:38  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> I also changed most of the tracks leading to it..
03:27:44  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> small production? o.o
03:27:58  <Stablean> <The Z> only ~60t
03:28:05  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> It was awesome once
03:28:07  <Stablean> <The Z> my one makes ~120 :P
03:28:09  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> 225t
03:28:19  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> Thats why it fed that huge mammoth train. ;)
03:28:31  <Stablean> <The Z> but reserves are running low, eh?
03:28:42  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> Seems so. :s
03:28:57  <Stablean> <The Z> lol tram engines
03:29:03  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> XD
03:29:13  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> I chose them from the start because they are cool.
03:29:30  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> I am one of those people that love rail vehicles.
03:29:32  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> However
03:29:47  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> I am in disapproval of most of what got produced after like, 1970?
03:29:53  <Stablean> <The Z> well i dunno
03:30:03  <Stablean> <The Z> in the 2cc set the trains are cool
03:30:17  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> I mean for real - not in openttd. XD
03:30:21  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> Well, there too, of course.
03:30:23  <Stablean> <The Z> oh
03:30:39  <Stablean> <The Z> well i disagree slightly with that
03:30:45  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> As my real world view of coures has its effect on my railroad game playing. XD
03:30:52  <Stablean> <The Z> lol
03:31:06  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> I am not saying new stuff isn't getting the job done. I just don't like it.
03:31:20  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> (new stuff when it comes to rail vehicles, I mean)
03:31:26  <Stablean> <The Z> well lots of people think that
03:31:36  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> Think what?
03:31:44  <Stablean> <The Z> i dont like the old uk or us trains
03:31:47  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> That the new stuff isnt good?
03:31:53  <Stablean> <The Z> yeah
03:32:11  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> My experience is completely different - people usually like the new stuff.
03:32:13  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> Or don't care.
03:32:37  <Stablean> <The Z> but i'm just saying that there are many that dont like the new stuff
03:32:47  <Stablean> <The Z> but its true most are indifferent
03:32:49  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> It's interesting to hear.
03:33:09  <Stablean> <The Z> and i agree to an extent with you
03:33:19  <Stablean> <The Z> the old swiss and german stock is great
03:33:35  <Stablean> <The Z> but i am a fan of the new ICE3s
03:33:45  <Stablean> <The Z> and of the Lok2000
03:33:47  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> I have to admit I never liked the standard wagons that much. I liked the older cabine wagons of the swiss fleet
03:33:49  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> those with the golden doors.
03:34:03  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> (Well, all swiss stuff from around that time had golden doors, so.. xP)
03:34:13  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> (so, that desceription probably didnt help XD)
03:34:23  <Stablean> <The Z> my rail experiences in switzerland and germany are better than those in the uk
03:34:37  <Stablean> <The Z> the rolling stock is better
03:34:40  <Stablean> <The Z> old and new
03:34:43  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> I've never been to the UK, so... :x
03:35:21  <Stablean> <The Z> well lots of old trains are upgraded and theres lots of new bombardier trains as well
03:35:39  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> Upgrading old trains... I so hate it.
03:35:43  <Stablean> <The Z> but theyre all specially designed for the uk so theyre ugly
03:35:49  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> .. XD
03:36:17  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> How long will this game take btw?
03:36:20  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> What do you think?
03:36:26  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> Or is there some limit=?
03:36:29  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> *?
03:36:35  <Stablean> <The Z> compare a uk electrostar to a desiro
03:36:39  <Stablean> <The Z> um dont know
03:36:58  <Stablean> <The Z> ill try and check
03:37:01  <Stablean> <The Z> using the console
03:37:27  <Stablean> <The Z> its set to 0
03:37:34  <Stablean> <The Z> that means that theres no restart
03:38:04  <Stablean> <The Z> most openttdcoop games however last a few days and are then manually stopped
03:38:10  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> If you want to make me happy, give the train I am going to travel with
03:38:13  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> Oops
03:38:19  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> Sentence not finished XD
03:38:21  <Stablean> <The Z> lol
03:40:06  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> Make it have iron studded, iron window frames with the two top edges rounded and the two bottom edges edgy, bare light bulb,
03:40:08  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> widely openable windows
03:40:26  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> Make everything just the way it should be.. XD
03:40:40  <Stablean> <The Z> lol i love the wide opening windows on swiss trains
03:40:50  <Stablean> <The Z> i can hang outside like a dog
03:41:09  <Stablean> <The Z> ...and get slapped in the face by rain...trees...lampposts lol
03:41:52  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> Öh, sorry, in case you said something..
03:41:56  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> Its all vanishing so fast..x_X
03:42:03  <Stablean> <The Z> its all still in the console
03:42:17  <Stablean> <The Z> bring it down with the ` key left of 1
03:42:31  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> =D
03:42:31  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> Thanks
03:42:34  <Stablean> <The Z> and then scroll within it with SHIFT arrow keys
03:42:59  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> I can scroll with shift+pgup/down
03:43:01  <Stablean> <The Z> im so stupid lol
03:43:03  <Stablean> <The Z> same
03:43:05  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> Just what I would intuitively do (Linux background)
03:43:09  <Stablean> <The Z> lol
03:43:24  <Stablean> <The Z> i keep creating trains with hoppers and then dont refit them to coal!
03:43:26  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> I am pretty sure its the reason why the scrolling is done that way
03:43:32  <Stablean> <The Z> so im wondering why trains wont load
03:44:01  <Stablean> <The Z> well it was coded with open source in mind so im sure some coding was done on linux
03:44:15  <Stablean> <The Z> are you on linux now?
03:44:27  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> Oh my god, you have no idea. I once tried figuring out why the hell some hoppers from some grf didnt transport my iron ore
03:44:29  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> Yes
03:44:39  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> Thats when I learned about refitting.
03:44:41  <Stablean> <The Z> lol
03:44:51  <Stablean> <The Z> what distro do you use?
03:44:55  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> debian testing
03:45:13  <Stablean> <The Z> would you say youre a linux pro
03:45:27  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> It is not what I would state, no.
03:45:33  <Stablean> <The Z> i.e. you can do anything with a terminal window whilst blindfoled lol
03:45:51  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> Well, I often mistype things. I think being blindfolded would raise the error rate considerably.. XD
03:46:05  <Stablean> <The Z> see i decided to see what all the hype around ubuntu was and i took the plunge
03:46:20  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> From Windows?
03:46:22  <Stablean> <The Z> by far the best way to learn to use a new system is to try it out
03:46:28  <Stablean> <The Z> nope
03:46:42  <Stablean> <The Z> i have a desktop that was partitioned into four drives
03:46:48  <Stablean> <The Z> one is good old win xp
03:46:55  <Stablean> <The Z> one is the win 7 rc1
03:47:01  <Stablean> <The Z> one is a file store
03:47:03  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> My newest partition table doesnt take into account windows anymore.
03:47:09  <Stablean> <The Z> lol
03:47:19  <Stablean> <The Z> and one is ubuntu
03:47:23  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> Since i have not been using Windows for a year now, why should I?
03:47:30  <Stablean> <The Z> i originally made them all ntfs
03:47:36  <Stablean> <The Z> using gparted
03:47:58  <Stablean> <The Z> then i used the ubuntu livecd to change one partition from that to ext4 for linux
03:48:20  <Stablean> <The Z> and i must say having and old graphics card is annoying
03:48:40  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> If some twisted circumstances would make it necessary to boot up a Windows install, I could always put in another harddisk or simply re-partition some swap space
03:48:50  <Stablean> <The Z> lol
03:49:08  <Stablean> <The Z> im too comfy with windows to make a permanent move to linux
03:49:19  <Stablean> <The Z> esp not on my expensive vaio laptop
03:49:25  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> If that windows install required a lot of space, I could always install it on the "freed" swapspace but configure the Windows directory on some other partition I could create in that always planned-in experimental disk space.
03:50:00  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> Since i have a 1 TB harddisk now, that experimental space makes up something like 100 GB
03:50:04  <Stablean> <The Z> lol
03:50:20  <Stablean> <The Z> the problem i have with the desktop pc is that its old and only has 120gb
03:50:30  <Stablean> <The Z> because it was on a network at one point
03:50:48  <Stablean> <The Z> ...theres about 30gb of cache files of all the network users on there
03:50:48  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> I am a computer freak, some things just have to be.
03:50:50  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> XD
03:51:12  <Stablean> <The Z> so the 60gb xp partition has about 10gb free space :D
03:51:14  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> Well, 90 GB to go to fill up. XD
03:51:26  <Stablean> <The Z> the win 7 is 20gb
03:52:05  <Stablean> <The Z> ubuntu is on 10gb and theres a 10gb partition for file storage
03:52:21  <Stablean> <The Z> things like locomotion and counter strike live there lol
03:52:55  <Stablean> <The Z> i is making monies again!!!
03:53:01  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> xD
03:53:03  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> I see that
03:53:06  <Stablean> <The Z> loans repaid and trains making money
03:53:12  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> Ah, you mean that.
03:53:22  <Stablean> <The Z> yeah
03:53:50  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> =D
03:53:52  <Stablean> <The Z> ill look for more routes and ill start showing some things as soon as i have enough to survive on
03:53:56  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> Company League table, have a look.
03:53:58  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> XD
03:54:16  <Stablean> <The Z> lol omg congrats!!!
03:54:18  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> xD
03:54:20  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> Ty
03:54:30  <Stablean> <The Z> or should i say zomgwtfbbq
03:54:44  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> I don't even exactly know how.
03:54:46  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> XD
03:54:56  <Stablean> <The Z> eyescream whos afk will be annoyed lol
03:55:00  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> lol
03:55:18  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> I think it doesn't interest him that much. He already said he'd like to start anew, rather
03:55:32  <Stablean> <The Z> same as me :)
03:55:43  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> He just joined a little before you started to see us talking.
03:56:06  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> He didnt even start building a network, I think
03:56:08  <Stablean> <The Z> well tbh i was on the server most afternoon but i just had the window minimised
03:57:03  <Stablean> <The Z> i was just looking around checking out people's networks
03:57:14  <Stablean> <The Z> and it was quiet noone was talking
03:57:32  <Stablean> <The Z> so when you and eyecandy came along it got interesting
03:57:38  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> =D
03:57:44  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> Well, had been here for hours already.
03:58:23  <Stablean> <The Z> so why isnt he rich now?
03:58:35  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> Well, but I guess for someone that has been playing for a few days, my network isn't that bad. XD
03:58:45  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> Well, I spent a lot of time just building.
03:58:47  <Stablean> <The Z> yeah
03:58:58  <Stablean> <The Z> btw i started off with TTDpatch
03:59:12  <Stablean> <The Z> back then there were only two-way signals and no autorail
03:59:22  <Stablean> <The Z> THAT was a hard game
03:59:32  <Stablean> <The Z> station size max 7x7
03:59:58  <Stablean> <The Z> no one way lines just passing places with 7 separate lines
04:00:04  <Stablean> <The Z> :D
04:00:30  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> And, I am not rich because this is my first  ( okay, maybe my second) profitable company at all.
04:00:30  <Stablean> <The Z> thats the only way to get 7 trains between two stations
04:00:36  <Stablean> <The Z> lol
04:00:59  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> This is the first game where I got really successful.
04:01:00  <Stablean> <The Z> ill try and help make it even more profitable
04:01:06  <Stablean> <The Z> XD
04:01:13  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> xD
04:01:39  <Stablean> <eyescream> so, what did i miss?
04:01:46  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> I catapulted my profits from like 200/year to now 1000/year by doing that huge line there.
04:02:00  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> Just us talking
04:02:02  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> Come on eye
04:02:08  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> Build some rail
04:02:14  <Stablean> <eyescream> i am brushing my teeth
04:02:16  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> xD
04:02:18  <Stablean> <The Z> lol
04:02:24  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> Okay, better dont build some rail
04:02:26  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> If you dont intend to play at all o,o
04:02:36  <Stablean> <eyescream> did we figure out how to open the chat log or something?
04:02:42  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> The button left of 1
04:02:55  <Stablean> <The Z> scroll with shift arrows
04:02:57  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> Scrolling is done the same way as in the linux console
04:03:01  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> *at
04:03:04  <Stablean> <The Z> lol linux buddy
04:03:07  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> ;)
04:03:28  <Stablean> <eyescream> i scroll with shift + pgup
04:03:34  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> Me too
04:03:38  <Stablean> <The Z> i'm all for open source - its just windows works
04:03:40  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> It works at the openttd console
04:03:42  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> XD
04:03:44  <Stablean> <The Z> drivers work lol
04:03:50  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> lol
04:03:56  <Stablean> <The Z> i use both arrows and pgup
04:04:06  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> *recalls all the driver problems people and first level supports have to deal with (Windows)*
04:04:24  <Stablean> <The Z> seriously the proprietary nvidia drivers for linux limit max res to 640x480
04:04:42  <Stablean> <The Z> so i removed them and now use the terminal to up res to 1280x1024
04:04:45  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> X-server... its horrible.
04:04:51  <Stablean> <The Z> no gfx accel
04:05:10  <Stablean> <The Z> theres supposed to be 2d support with open-source drivers but i cant find them
04:05:24  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> nouveau?
04:05:28  <Stablean> <The Z> exactly
04:05:39  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> It's pretty new. Not sure, maybe something is broken. =D
04:05:45  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> But noveau seems to be a good idea.
04:05:45  <Stablean> <The Z> when i say i cant find them i mean i couldnt be bothered at the time lol
04:05:53  <Stablean> <The Z> ill look into it soon
04:06:01  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> Ah, I thought you had it but you couldnt get it to work or something. XD
04:06:19  <Stablean> <eyescream> also, windows doesn't just work
04:06:26  <Stablean> <The Z> but that only gives 2d accel - just what i need for window compositors like compiz
04:06:28  <Stablean> <eyescream> at least not the way i would want it to
04:06:43  <Stablean> <The Z> well it depends on your experience
04:06:45  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> I like Henris locos
04:06:48  <Stablean> <eyescream> and worst of all you have to manually look for everything and visit a billion pages and use 26746 update apps
04:07:07  <Stablean> <The Z> ive had a good experience with windows
04:07:11  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> Package manager... people that know only windows wouldn't even dream of something like that. :x
04:07:22  <Stablean> <eyescream> indeed
04:07:26  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> I've had a good experience with Windows too - double click on a game icon and it worked most of the time.
04:07:28  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> XD
04:07:34  <Stablean> <The Z> i do like that
04:07:40  <Stablean> <eyescream> i did not have good experiences with windows
04:07:43  <Stablean> <The Z> i mean the package manager
04:07:46  <Stablean> <eyescream> it worked and i lived with it
04:07:56  <Stablean> <eyescream> but that does not make for a good experience
04:07:59  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> Henri has good taste..
04:08:05  <Stablean> <The Z> lol
04:08:19  <Stablean> <The Z> sorry guys but i'll have to go
04:08:31  <Stablean> <The Z> ill stay logged on but ill just be afk
04:08:33  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> And this train where he has two locos, one at the front and one at the behind
04:08:40  <Stablean> <The Z> talk soon bye
04:08:42  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> Are you btw. reachable somehoww?
04:08:52  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> Like, the coop community, for instance?
04:08:58  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> *-w1x
04:10:10  <Stablean> <eyescream> ich geh ma off hier :> mache ja eh nix außer zugucken :P
04:10:14  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> zuggucken
04:10:16  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> xD
04:10:22  <Stablean> <eyescream> lol :>
04:10:24  <Stablean> <eyescream> idd.
04:10:26  <Stablean> *** eyescream has left the game (leaving)
04:11:42  <Stablean> <The Z> im back for a couple of minutes
04:11:45  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> xD
04:11:56  <Stablean> <The Z> you can reach my by mi wiki page
04:12:05  <Stablean> <The Z> wiki.openttd.org/User:The_Z
04:12:11  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> Okay.
04:12:21  <Stablean> <The Z> lol i get exam results today in the UK
04:12:25  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> :o
04:12:27  <Stablean> <The Z> for university
04:12:33  <Stablean> <The Z> so i g2g
04:12:39  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> =D
04:12:42  <Stablean> <The Z> ill be back later in the day though
04:12:53  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> Btw.
04:12:55  <Stablean> <The Z> loool eyescream
04:12:57  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> Detailed performance view
04:13:01  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> What? XD
04:13:12  <Stablean> <The Z> company got liquidated
04:13:14  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> Ah.. well, never mind, Ill just read up on the meaning of everything.
04:13:25  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> rofl
04:13:25  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> xD
04:13:42  <Stablean> <The Z> what about performance rating?
04:13:44  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> He's idled for too long and it went bankrupt out of inactivity?
04:13:44  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> XD
04:13:58  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> Henri has a bad station score there
04:14:04  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> I guess that's tation rating?
04:14:08  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> *station
04:14:14  <Stablean> <The Z> autoclean_companies is off
04:14:24  <Stablean> <The Z> he just kept paying loan interest
04:14:31  <Stablean> <The Z> until he was out of funds :D
04:14:41  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> Does that mean, bankrupt companies stay around?
04:14:44  <Stablean> <The Z> no
04:14:46  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> Nah, its gone
04:14:52  <Stablean> <The Z> they just vanish without a trace
04:15:03  <Stablean> <The Z> the only things left behind are any signs
04:15:18  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> And tram tracks.
04:15:22  <Stablean> <The Z> and roads
04:15:28  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> but no rails?
04:15:30  <Stablean> <The Z> nope
04:15:40  <Stablean> <The Z> rails can only be used by one company
04:15:42  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> If I build a road - is it mine?
04:15:44  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> Yeah, I see.
04:15:50  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> Thats the different and reason behind it.
04:15:52  <Stablean> <The Z> yes but anyone can use it
04:16:02  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> But they can't destroy it.
04:16:08  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> (would be ridiculous, otherwise)
04:16:15  <Stablean> <The Z> if you build tram tracks someone like the white player can then use them
04:16:33  <Stablean> <The Z> no even town authorities cant touch them
04:16:36  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> If I would go with buses, he could still build bus stations
04:16:44  <Stablean> <The Z> yes
04:16:59  <Stablean> <The Z> theres no restrictions on road or tramline use
04:17:05  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> If  I wouldn't build anything, he could still build a network in the city to deprive my stations of passengers.
04:17:15  <Stablean> <The Z> yes
04:17:21  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> I'd rather like it me depriving my stations.
04:17:24  <Stablean> <The Z> but he has to have a higher rating to get more passengers than you
04:17:34  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> Yup
04:17:41  <Stablean> <The Z> so if he has a rubbish rating, you'll get way more passengers
04:17:59  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> I just have to care about that the rating is always high.
04:18:06  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> If it is, it will be hard for him to even build up any rating.
04:18:12  <Stablean> <The Z> exactly
04:18:28  <Stablean> <The Z> you have to have a regular service to build up a good rating
04:18:34  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> I figured.
04:18:44  <Stablean> <The Z> and theres no point in having a regular service if theres noone to transport
04:19:06  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> That's why my trams are moving like that
04:19:06  <Stablean> <The Z> almost empty trams are pointless
04:19:08  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> From here, to there..
04:19:46  <Stablean> <The Z> theres a way to make even more money with those trams tho
04:19:54  <Stablean> <The Z> and thats using the transfer order
04:20:08  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> I think I've seen transfer messages somewhere
04:20:38  <Stablean> <The Z> omg have you seen vinnies orders in malburg bay
04:20:48  <Stablean> <The Z> theyre mad
04:20:48  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> I think it's those I've seen.
04:21:02  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> 6k£ and the likes ,yes?
04:21:12  <Stablean> <The Z> he has jump orders when percentages of passengers are low
04:21:18  <Stablean> <The Z> i didnt even know that was possible
04:21:36  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> I don't even know about that stuff yet.
04:22:02  <Stablean> <The Z> ive been playing ttd for about 3 years and im amazed by this
04:22:16  <Stablean> <The Z> lol i didnt know it was possible but i was wishing for something like this
04:22:47  <Stablean> <The Z> anyway what he does is he transfers passengers to his rail stations
04:22:57  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> Ah, that feeding I've read about
04:22:59  <Stablean> <The Z> using the 'transfer and leave empty' command
04:23:17  <Stablean> <The Z> so then the trains pick up the passengers and drop them off far away
04:23:34  <Stablean> <The Z> because in standard ttd cargo doesnt care where it gets taken
04:23:48  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> Yeah, I kinda thought that its a little wasteful to tram all those passengers around in teh same town.. XD
04:23:50  <Stablean> <The Z> its best to take it as far as you possibly (and profitably) can
04:24:05  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> Well, taking it far away is always profitable. XD
04:24:07  <Stablean> <The Z> thats why i have the cargodist and cargodest versions on my computer
04:24:26  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> I've seen income of some of my "large route" trains to the east of like 198k£
04:24:27  <Stablean> <The Z> because there passengers and cargo wants to go to certain stations more than others
04:24:34  <Stablean> <The Z> thats nothing
04:24:37  <Stablean> <The Z> lol
04:24:39  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> I guess
04:24:41  <Stablean> <The Z> kidding
04:25:07  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> But it's more than those 6k£ you get for transporting to the neighbour city.
04:25:09  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> XD
04:25:09  <Stablean> <The Z> 50 years of a map and youll have tgvs making £1.5m
04:25:27  <Stablean> <The Z> that happened on my 2048 map
04:25:38  <Stablean> <The Z> but with inflation its more like £5m
04:26:00  <Stablean> <The Z> in-game inflation is mad after the year 2000
04:26:19  <Stablean> <The Z> its as if the game developers saw the future would be high inflation = terrible economy
04:26:24  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> xD
04:26:46  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> It's probably rather a gameplay decision
04:26:57  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> Which plays out well, too, if the game doesnt start at or after 2000
04:27:07  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> And even if it does - inflation is long term
04:27:25  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> What limits town growth?
04:27:43  <Stablean> <The Z> of course, however, inflation in-game does depend on how much cargo is transported and production levels
04:27:54  <Stablean> <The Z> well im not actually sure about that
04:28:04  <Stablean> <The Z> youd have to ask a openttd developer
04:28:22  <Stablean> <The Z> there needs to be a steady stream of passengers and goods to feed a town
04:28:30  <Stablean> <The Z> one without the other tends to limit town growth
04:28:37  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> Bing..
04:28:43  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> Goods are missing.
04:28:43  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> :x
04:28:58  <Stablean> <The Z> but ive seen towns with populations go from 2,000 to 200,000
04:29:10  <Stablean> <The Z> but thats in my offline games
04:29:16  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> Well, sorting out the bugs in the network is what kinda is going to have some higher priority
04:29:26  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> At the moment, an important part of the network isn't usable.
04:29:36  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> I could even consider to try to redesign the entire part down there.
04:29:38  <Stablean> <The Z> its the only way to increase capacity so you can have more trains on the network
04:29:49  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> I just have to make sure no one builds inbetween and redesign on a part by part basis..
04:30:03  <Stablean> <The Z> well its only me and you here
04:30:11  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> Im not doing it now
04:30:13  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> Its for later.
04:30:23  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> I should get some sleep - but not immediately.
04:30:25  <Stablean> <The Z> so unless im evil and decide to impede your progress i doubt anyone will join
04:30:27  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> But I am not doing this anymore right now.
04:30:37  <Stablean> <The Z> are you nocturnal by any chance XD
04:30:47  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> My body is..
04:30:49  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> I think, at least.
04:31:12  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> Okay, maybe I misunderstand the term
04:31:15  <Stablean> <The Z> i'm only up because im nervous about results :s
04:31:30  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> But I guess I am an owl type by biology
04:31:36  <Stablean> <The Z> haha
04:31:43  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> I can get into the night with just having slept 2 hours the other night
04:31:53  <Stablean> <The Z> i wish i was like that
04:32:03  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> But I can sleep 5 hours during night and get up and be SUPER tired the entire day.
04:32:17  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> So,  I guess thats some heavy evidence for owl type..
04:32:17  <Stablean> <The Z> if i regularly get under 6-8 hours of sleep i feel terrible
04:32:21  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> Its the same for me
04:32:31  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> Except night is falling..
04:32:33  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> xP
04:32:43  <Stablean> <The Z> and if i have a lie in, it just pushes back the time i go to bed
04:32:49  <Stablean> <The Z> and that pushes back the time i wake up
04:32:59  <Stablean> <The Z> until i become practically nocturnal
04:33:05  <Stablean> <The Z> :D
04:33:19  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> Its getting daylighty outside
04:33:27  <Stablean> <The Z> same here lol
04:33:29  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> If it would stay night , I guess I would be less tired
04:33:40  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> But now, if I would stay up 2 more hours
04:33:42  <Stablean> <The Z> not for me, the light is waking me up
04:33:52  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> Sleepyness would really become quite strong.
04:33:58  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> The night is waking me up..
04:34:08  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> Even though its not what I want ,exactly.
04:34:15  <Stablean> <The Z> people are going to think im rude today - i'll be yawning all day
04:34:21  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> XD
04:34:27  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> Their problem.
04:34:29  <Stablean> <The Z> lol
04:34:35  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> Say you played openttd.
04:34:35  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> =D
04:34:45  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> Explains everything and immediately leviates you of any guilt.
04:34:45  <Stablean> <The Z> lol theyll say wtf's that
04:34:47  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> =D
04:34:49  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> xD
04:34:51  <Stablean> <The Z> lool
04:35:05  <Stablean> <The Z> its not a crime to play openttd all night
04:35:17  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> Thats not what I wanted to imply at all.
04:35:27  <Stablean> <The Z> its worse to play Call of duty or counter strike all night
04:35:34  <Stablean> <The Z> and yes i have done that :(
04:35:38  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> xD
04:36:00  <Stablean> <The Z> its so funny to listen to amercans on the voice chat
04:36:10  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> I just wanted to add - add that it is a game absolutely free of blood, a mind that lives off the mind, not the reflexes.
04:36:28  <Stablean> <The Z> totally agree
04:36:54  <Stablean> <The Z> this game nurtures the mind and intelligence and entrepreneurship
04:36:57  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> But I guess people would already have turned their ear elsewhere by the time you would even get the chance to elaborately describe openttd.
04:36:59  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> XD
04:37:17  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> Well, entrepreneurship.. - I like capitalism - in games.
04:37:18  <Stablean> <The Z> CoD nurtures reflexes and 10-year old kids that think theyre better than everyone
04:38:00  <Stablean> <The Z> ive been sworn at in cod so many times
04:38:24  <Stablean> <The Z> but here, everyones welcoming with a good community spirit
04:38:32  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> Someone once remarked that Sim City is very communistic in nature. I guess it was just american wording and he meant socialist.
04:38:50  <Stablean> <The Z> lol its true
04:38:53  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> It is.
04:38:59  <Stablean> <The Z> thats one problem with sc
04:39:01  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> He didn't say that for no reason. XD
04:39:05  <Stablean> <The Z> but openttd gives you a choice
04:39:27  <Stablean> <The Z> do you want to be a monopoly supplier or not
04:39:37  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> Well, sim City does some things right - so much more right than it is done in real world capitalis system.
04:39:40  <Stablean> <The Z> personally i prefer the first option
04:39:58  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> *+
04:40:04  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> *+t
04:40:18  <Stablean> <The Z> well marx believes that socialism is the best economic structure for advanced economies
04:40:25  <Stablean> <The Z> and that capitalism will collapse
04:40:59  <Stablean> <The Z> but for that you need a very advanced economy where all that is required is produced within a country's borders
04:41:09  <Stablean> <The Z> china will be one of the first for sure
04:41:23  <Stablean> <The Z> if its government decides to take that path
04:41:37  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> capitalism only collapses when the economic libertist people in a society fail to control the less fortune.
04:41:55  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> Its almost a game to them.
04:42:05  <Stablean> <The Z> thats a problem in america
04:42:47  <Stablean> <The Z> to some real life is like openttd is to us
04:42:51  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> Maximizing profits means not to make the maximum of actually possible profit, but what is possible without sabotaging the profit framework itself (by straining society too much)
04:43:25  <Stablean> <The Z> there is a certain tradeoff point
04:43:35  <Stablean> <The Z> are you an economist by any chance?
04:43:41  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> I am not.
04:43:47  <Stablean> <The Z> or do you simply have a deep interest?
04:44:02  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> I am the thinking kind.
04:44:06  <Stablean> <The Z> i see
04:44:29  <Stablean> <The Z> i would say i am that kind as well, but the UK education system hasn't helped me very much
04:44:40  <Stablean> <The Z> it limits thinking
04:44:43  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> Regarding my political stance, I describe it as authoritarian leftist. It's a rather rare stance nowadays, and it's not what most people associate with it.
04:45:01  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> (my stance, I mean, when I describe it like that)
04:46:15  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> It is leftist because I would like it that soceity tends its people.
04:46:41  <Stablean> <The Z> well in the uk it does not matter too much whether you are support the right or the left
04:46:49  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> It is authoritarian because I tend to think that it is best if the state takes on the duty of doing this.
04:47:00  <Stablean> <The Z> governments in the UK tend to be conservative when it comes to change
04:47:31  <Stablean> <The Z> its is as if they are scared of any change
04:47:57  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> However, I am on the democracy wing. Much more than many people that consider themselves democrats.
04:48:26  <Stablean> <The Z> i would agree that i am democratic but i cannot say too much about my political stance
04:48:34  <Stablean> <The Z> i support the right in the united kingdom
04:48:52  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> Well, I've read that the UK political landscape is kinda homogenetic.
04:48:54  <Stablean> <The Z> but then there's no point in being left-wing since changes as i said are small and conservative
04:48:57  <Stablean> <The Z> that is very tries
04:49:01  <Stablean> <The Z> *true
04:49:19  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> In some PDF, they compared swiss democracy and the democracy in UK.
04:49:25  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> (they just took those as examples)
04:50:19  <Stablean> <The Z> in the uk i would say i am right wing since i do support the conservative party
04:50:22  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> Usually, I tend to think that every country would be best off with the democracy being seated on its people, with rigthts to directly influence the states affairs.
04:51:00  <Stablean> <The Z> but that is only because the labour party sway towards socialism and are very wasteful in terms of resources
04:51:07  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> That pdf supported the idea that countrys form their own form of democracy. The Uk wouldnt have direct democratic elements because it is that homogenetic.
04:51:21  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> For Switzerland, the opposite.
04:51:39  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> It got me thinking, however, it didnt change my stance on this.
04:51:45  <Stablean> <The Z> i don't know much about swiss politics but l will make sure i read into it
04:52:11  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> People should always be able to change their state and laws directly.
04:52:23  <Stablean> <The Z> the uk does have a lot of affairs handled by QUANGOs rather than by the state
04:52:33  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> quango?
04:52:43  <Stablean> <The Z> quasi-autonomous non-governmental organisation
04:53:02  <Stablean> <The Z> these are government-owned indepented companies that handle certain affairs
04:53:08  <Stablean> <The Z> theres over 1000 of them
04:53:16  <Stablean> <The Z> many are pointless and wasteful
04:53:38  <Stablean> <The Z> and take on roles that could be handled by independent regulatory bodies
04:53:44  <Stablean> <The Z> which is what some of them are
04:53:58  <Stablean> <The Z> just that they are government-owned
04:54:04  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> o:
04:54:06  <Stablean> <The Z> but not government-controlled
04:54:09  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> =_=
04:54:20  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> That's the worst thing possible.
04:54:26  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> My hierarchy goes as follows:
04:54:30  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> 1. Government controlled
04:54:36  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> 2. Private
04:54:50  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> 3. Government controlled but operated as if it was private.
04:55:00  <Stablean> <The Z> lol its the bottom of your list
04:55:02  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> With 3 . being the worst state possible.
04:55:13  <Stablean> <The Z> that is a big thing here atm
04:55:41  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> A prime example are railroad companies made private - with the state owning most of its shares or something.
04:55:51  <Stablean> <The Z> many vital services, such as the food standards agency, the university admissions networks and many other such companies
04:55:53  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> Even if they wouldnt - they can't just let the countrys infrastructure go to hell.
04:55:59  <Stablean> <The Z> are quangos
04:56:13  <Stablean> <The Z> well railway companies in the uk were privatised in the 1990s
04:56:15  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> They WILL have to pay up for any misery these things get into.
04:56:34  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> There is only one winner there: the economic libertists.
04:56:41  <Stablean> <The Z> and the competition commission makes sure no companies exploit monopoly power
04:57:00  <Stablean> <The Z> but all infrastructure is now government-owned, after the private company railtrack failed
04:57:08  <Stablean> <The Z> it didnt fail financially though
04:57:18  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> The state loses control. The state might even be held liable financially in the future, even more power loss. Economic libertist masterplanning at its finest...
04:57:36  <Stablean> <The Z> it failed because poor maintenance and inefficiency by them led to a number of rail accidents
04:57:42  <Stablean> <The Z> lol
04:58:05  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> I am not saying they are working together on  a large scale or something
04:58:07  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> That would be silly.
04:58:13  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> It's rather a common view on things.
04:58:20  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> Maybe not for all economic libertists
04:58:41  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> I am sure there are those that genuinely believe in what they do being how things should be naturally.
04:58:51  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> These people believe in utopia.
04:59:13  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> where everyone is responsible for his own success, if he just wanted!
04:59:24  <Stablean> <The Z> but sadly utopia doesnt exist
04:59:34  <Stablean> <The Z> and it seems like it is a long road to achieving it
04:59:52  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> There is something Marx has never forseen.
05:00:11  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> Some say, even for nowadays standards, Marx simply didnt take into account machines to the extent he should have.
05:00:50  <Stablean> <The Z> you mean he didnt forsee technological progress
05:01:18  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> He didnt forsee it would lead to a situation where most people would not be required to work anymore.
05:01:56  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> He probably thought humans would always have to operate a factory.
05:03:41  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> at some point, aside from special tastes (like human made stuff), goods will be produced by engineers, computer scientists, etc.
05:04:04  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> We already are at the point where that is the case, but I am talking about a completely different dimension, different extent of this.
05:04:36  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> There are jobs you will not be able to replace for a ridiculous time span, like, for instance, teachers.
05:05:38  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> Until the advent of true artifical life with a mind at least equal to the human one, such professions will not ultimately be satisfied if not executed by humans.
05:05:44  <Stablean> <The Z> omg my exam results are in
05:05:56  <Stablean> <The Z> and its great
05:06:04  <Stablean> <The Z> i needed AAA in my subjects
05:06:10  <Stablean> <The Z> i got A*AA
05:06:25  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> (and, be wary -  artificial life may not be a slave - it should be integrated into human society if possible, and will thus then also have needs to be satisfied)
05:06:27  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> Grats =D
05:06:38  <Stablean> <The Z> thanks =D=D=D=D=D=D=D=D
05:06:41  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> =DD
05:06:44  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> xD
05:06:54  <Stablean> <The Z> so thats a top university place for me
05:07:04  <Stablean> <The Z> and among the best exam scores in the country
05:07:08  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> =D
05:07:11  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> Subject?
05:07:14  <Stablean> <The Z> one of my exams was 100%
05:07:20  <Stablean> <The Z> economics maths physics
05:07:23  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> =D
05:07:30  <Stablean> <The Z> possibly the most demanding combination!
05:07:40  <Stablean> <The Z> i did french until last year as well
05:07:54  <Stablean> <The Z> but you only do three subjects in the uk in the last year
05:08:04  <Stablean> <The Z> sadly i never did german :(
05:08:22  <Stablean> <The Z> ive been to switzerland and germany too many times and regret not learning german
05:08:26  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> Its weird.. on some universities, people take tons of subjects
05:08:32  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> and some universities are single subject.
05:08:46  <Stablean> <The Z> well in the uk universities tend to offer single subjects
05:09:01  <Stablean> <The Z> im doing engineering
05:09:15  <Stablean> <The Z> so i have to do maths and physics before that
05:09:33  <Stablean> <The Z> but there are combination subjects like the famous PPE at oxford and cambridge
05:09:39  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> PPE?
05:09:49  <Stablean> <The Z> that's politics philosophy and economics
05:09:51  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> Philosophy, Physics and Economics?
05:09:53  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> Ah
05:10:08  <Stablean> <The Z> most top uk politicians do that at university
05:10:08  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> Would be an interesteing combination for all those that study economics to become managers or something.
05:10:11  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> For them to find out that there is more than money. :X
05:10:17  <Stablean> <The Z> true lol
05:11:25  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> For them to realise that those less fortunate are not only people too, but that that pool of people has talented and interesting persons amongst them just as well.
05:12:29  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> My mother told me of an incident she's ready aybout
05:12:32  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> *read
05:13:02  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> An artist guised herself as a simple employee at some celebration that was related to her and her work.
05:13:54  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> Some people were even reluctant when she greeted them and wanted to shake hands.
05:14:07  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> Everything immediately changed when she announced who she were.
05:14:17  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> *was
05:20:29  <Stablean> <The Z> sry i was talking to all my facebook friends
05:20:43  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> Test
05:20:45  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> XD
05:20:47  <Stablean> <The Z> i g2g print off my results pdf and ill be back later... if im still awake
05:20:53  <Stablean> <The Z> XD
05:20:55  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> XD
05:20:57  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> Have a nice o,o
05:21:12  <Stablean> <The Z> i will enjoy printing that pdf very much thanks
05:21:16  <Stablean> <The Z> lol
05:21:18  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> x3
05:21:18  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> =D
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07:18:15  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> o.o
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07:42:46  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> Hello :o
07:42:52  <Stablean> <V453000> hello
07:44:26  <Stablean> <V453000> I guess this is getting reset worthy soon :p
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07:45:14  <Stablean> <Precedence> hey guys :)
07:45:16  <Stablean> <V453000> hi
07:46:02  <Stablean> <The Z> aziroshin
07:46:20  <Stablean> <The Z> u there?
07:46:32  <Stablean> <jor[D]1> ?
07:46:54  <Stablean> <The Z> i'm trying to get Aziroshin's attention
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07:47:06  <Stablean> <The Z> is he afk?
07:47:14  <Stablean> <jor[D]1> dont know
07:47:42  <Stablean> <The Z> ok then
07:47:51  <Stablean> <The Z> i was gonna tell him i was off
07:48:22  <Stablean> <The Z> ill stay connected but ill be afk for a few hours
07:48:31  <Stablean> <The Z> bye everyone
07:48:38  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> :o
07:48:40  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> Byebye
07:49:01  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> have a nice (in case you read this)
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07:59:52  <Stablean> <DiabloD3> wow slow :D
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08:18:42  <V453000> !rcon ls
08:18:42  <Stablean> V453000: 0) .. (Parent directory)
08:18:42  <Stablean> V453000: 1) StableTemp06.sav
08:18:42  <Stablean> V453000: 2) StableTemp05fix.sav
08:18:42  <Stablean> V453000: 3) StableTemp05.sav
08:18:42  <Stablean> V453000: 4) StableTrop02.sav
08:18:42  <Stablean> V453000: you have 52 more messages
08:21:20  <Stablean> <V453000> how many of you want a reset? :)
08:23:07  <Stablean> <V453000> hm ok :D
08:23:14  <Stablean> <V453000> is anyone here?
08:23:19  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> :o
08:23:21  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> I am here
08:23:26  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> Why a reset? :o
08:23:32  <Stablean> <V453000> just asking
08:23:39  <Stablean> <V453000> I dont really care when :)
08:23:42  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> How long will games on this server last typically?
08:23:58  <Stablean> <V453000> depends
08:24:09  <Stablean> <V453000> when we want, we reset
08:24:12  <Stablean> <V453000> simple as that :p
08:24:46  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> Sounds like a reasonable approach.
08:25:04  <Stablean> <jor[D]1> afk
08:25:15  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> Bye
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08:48:32  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> Byebye :o
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10:38:07  <Ammler> !url
10:38:13  <Ammler> oh
10:45:26  <planetmaker> trallalala :-)
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10:55:29  <V453000> d3
10:55:34  <V453000> dEd? :
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13:40:22  <V453000> !info
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14:38:56  <Timmaexx> PM!!
14:39:10  <Timmaexx> I found an enerving bug in OpenGFX!
14:39:45  <Timmaexx> The Signals aren't always on the same side of the tracks
14:40:19  <planetmaker> hm?
14:40:31  <planetmaker> You mean since Ammler implemented the new ones?
14:40:43  <planetmaker> Or is it just the settings?
14:40:51  <Timmaexx> Well i just know 0.2.4 and the current nightly
14:41:07  <Timmaexx> don't think so you want to have a screenshot?
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15:15:43  <Chris_Booth> !ip
15:16:00  <Chris_Booth> !info
15:16:14  <Chris_Booth> ooh no server
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15:24:14  <Stablean> Autopilot engaged
15:24:14  <Stablean> Starting new game: '{#openttdcoop} Welcome Stable (www.openttdcoop.org)'
15:24:15  <Stablean> Landscape: temperate
15:24:15  <Stablean> Dimensions: 512x512
15:24:15  <Stablean> Starting year: 1945
15:24:15  *** ChanServ sets mode: +v Stablean
15:31:23  <Ammler> Timmaexx: could you test the semaphores too
15:31:35  <Timmaexx> logo
15:31:57  <Ammler> if those are wrong too, I need to change the template, which sucks
15:33:56  <Timmaexx> Semphores are correct
15:34:40  <Ammler> hmm
15:35:01  <Ammler> try the uk semaphores
15:35:05  <Ammler> the left-side traffic
15:37:55  <Timmaexx> correct too
15:38:41  <Timmaexx> but light signals on left are wrong
15:38:47  <Timmaexx> the same like right side
15:42:06  <Ammler> run a train on it :-)
15:45:59  <Timmaexx> why?
15:46:08  <Timmaexx> i'll domit but i don't uindertsand
15:54:01  <Timmaexx> Sorry, I have to go to city! I can try the way you told me later but then the new nihtly is finished :|
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15:57:45  <Ammler> yes, then there is no such bug anymore :-)
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16:10:10  <Stablean> <The Z> no newgrfs!?
16:10:18  <Ammler> !url
16:10:18  <Stablean> Ammler: www.openttdcoop.org/servers/stable
16:10:18  <Stablean> <The Z> :.(
16:10:30  <Ammler> oh, new game started?
16:10:40  <Stablean> <The Z> yep
16:10:42  <Ammler> we had a reboot
16:10:50  <Ammler> was the old game finished?
16:10:50  <Stablean> <The Z> i see
16:11:32  <Stablean> <The Z> i think V453000 decided the game was over
16:11:38  <Stablean> <The Z> but that was hours ago
16:11:47  <Ammler> !rcon pwd
16:11:47  <Stablean> Ammler: /home/ottdc/svn-stable/autopilot/save/
16:11:53  <Ammler> !rcon cd uploads
16:11:55  <Ammler> !rcon ls
16:11:55  <Stablean> Ammler: 0) .. (Parent directory)
16:11:55  <Stablean> Ammler: 1) StableTemp06.sav
16:11:55  <Stablean> Ammler: 2) StableTemp05fix.sav
16:11:55  <Stablean> Ammler: 3) StableTemp05.sav
16:11:55  <Stablean> Ammler: 4) StableTrop02.sav
16:11:57  <Stablean> Ammler: you have 52 more messages
16:12:08  <Stablean> <The Z> i had left the game running and the server was paused and the console said V and others had left
16:12:18  <Stablean> <The Z> this was when i returned
16:12:32  <Ammler> you like to continue there?
16:12:38  <Stablean> <The Z> i was waiting for the restart but the lack of newgrfs dissapoints me
16:12:46  <Ammler> hmm :-(
16:12:50  <Stablean> <The Z> no thanks i was waiting for a new game lol
16:12:56  <Stablean> <The Z> well its not a problem
16:13:07  <Stablean> <The Z> ill join when the next game begins
16:13:07  <Ammler> I have no idea, if someone prepared a game
16:13:29  <Ammler> V isn't online
16:13:33  <Stablean> <The Z> normally #openttdcoop games have a number of newgrfs from the pack
16:13:58  <Ammler> yeah, I know
16:14:02  <Stablean> <The Z> but he said the server was due a restart
16:14:05  <Ammler> you like to prepare a game?
16:14:17  <Stablean> <The Z> i don't know what you have in mind
16:14:35  <Ammler> you don't need to make a game _I_ have in mind
16:14:44  <Ammler> you should make one _you_ would like to play :-)
16:14:58  <Stablean> <The Z> hmm i'd rather the challenge of a server-generated map
16:15:10  <Stablean> <The Z> with high variety distribution
16:15:18  <Stablean> <The Z> thats what i do when i make a server
16:15:19  <Ammler> ok :-)
16:15:48  <Stablean> <The Z> and as for newgrfs lots of station sets, 2cc set and swedish and metro tracks
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16:16:03  <Ammler> you can also paste a newgrf preset and I generate a new game with it
16:16:10  <Stablean> <The Z> that's my favourite combination
16:16:18  <Stablean> <The Z> ok lemme see what i can do
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16:16:43  <Ammler> just load your favorite game or make one, then save newgrfs as preset
16:16:55  <Stablean> *** David081 has started a new company (#5)
16:17:02  <Ammler> and then copy the preset from your cfg to pastebin.com
16:17:25  <Stablean> <The Z> do you have the newgrf preset from the last game on this server?
16:17:39  <Ammler> you would like that?
16:17:47  <Stablean> <The Z> yes but with minor changes
16:17:49  <Stablean> *** Player has changed his/her name to *Kerende*
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16:18:16  <Stablean> <The Z> remove the vehicle sets used in that game
16:18:30  <Stablean> <The Z> and replace with 2cc and a tram set
16:18:41  <Stablean> <The Z> and throw in metro tracks for the metros
16:18:49  <Stablean> <The Z> but can i ask we do this later on
16:19:02  <Stablean> *** Umpani has left the game (leaving)
16:19:08  <Ammler> the Z: http://stable.openttdcoop.org/stable/save/uploads/?C=M;O=D
16:19:10  <Stablean> <The Z> lots of people have joined this game so i suggest we let this play on
16:19:20  <Ammler> I assume it is  StableTemp06.sav
16:19:27  <Stablean> <The Z> ok
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16:21:52  <Stablean> <The Z> yep thats it :)
16:22:21  <Stablean> <The Z> if you want you can keep that same preset
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16:22:23  <Stablean> <Player> /help
16:22:31  <Stablean> <Player> help
16:22:55  <Stablean> *** Player has changed his/her name to zeid
16:22:59  <Stablean> <The Z> but i suggest that be done for the next game
16:23:02  <Stablean> *** zeid has requested an admin
16:23:04  <Stablean> <The Z> let this one play out
16:23:19  <Stablean> <The Z> i'm too tired to grow a network now XD
16:23:30  <Ammler> zeid?
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16:23:46  <V453000> hm?
16:23:53  <V453000> !date
16:23:54  <Stablean> V453000:  5 Jun 1946
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16:24:11  <V453000> !info
16:24:11  <Stablean> V453000: www.openttdcoop.org/servers/stable
16:24:13  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> Hey.
16:24:13  <Stablean> <The Z> what year do you think this game will be reset?
16:24:23  <Ammler> 100 years
16:24:23  <Stablean> <The Z> Hi
16:24:25  <Ammler> ususally
16:24:40  <Stablean> <The Z> Aziroshin youre back!
16:24:47  <V453000> Ammler: no newgrf game? :(
16:24:59  <Stablean> <The Z> thats what i was suggesting earlier
16:25:16  <Ammler> The Z doesn't like newgrfs
16:25:18  <Stablean> <The Z> i joined surprised to see the game devoid of newgrfs
16:25:24  <Stablean> <The Z> no I do
16:25:27  <Ammler> :-)
16:25:35  <Stablean> <The Z> you seem to have misunderstood me
16:25:41  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> There are no newgrfs now?
16:25:46  <Stablean> <The Z> no
16:25:46  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> Woe! No trams. Dx
16:25:49  <Ammler> nono, just making fun
16:25:52  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> Okay. XD
16:25:55  <Stablean> <The Z> lool
16:26:08  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> Aziroshin needz t3h tramz. @.@
16:26:15  <Stablean> <The Z> you love those
16:26:19  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> ;3
16:26:25  <Ammler> V453000: it is your domain :-)
16:26:29  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> I have to leave soon.
16:26:37  <Stablean> <The Z> and the tram engine lol
16:26:41  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> I should set something up  for idle milking. XD
16:26:45  <V453000> Ammler: then why resetting :PPP
16:26:49  <Ammler> I have no idea, what to load after a restart :-P
16:26:54  <V453000> hehe
16:26:58  <V453000> shall I reset now?
16:27:04  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> I have an idea.
16:27:05  <Stablean> <The Z> load the newgrfs from the last game
16:27:06  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> Dutch Tramset!
16:27:15  <V453000> !getsave http://blog.openttdcoop.org/files/blog/V453000/StableTemp07.sav
16:27:16  <Stablean> V453000: OK :-)
16:27:18  <V453000> !rcon ls
16:27:18  <Stablean> V453000: 0) .. (Parent directory)
16:27:18  <Stablean> V453000: 1) StableTemp07.sav
16:27:18  <Stablean> V453000: 2) StableTemp06.sav
16:27:18  <Stablean> V453000: 3) StableTemp05fix.sav
16:27:18  <Stablean> V453000: 4) StableTemp05.sav
16:27:19  <Stablean> V453000: you have 53 more messages
16:27:23  <Stablean> <The Z> ... or what Aziroshin said
16:27:25  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> So much variety with many nice trams. =D
16:27:42  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> Even though The Z said that the capacities are lower there.
16:27:48  <V453000> I have some game ... you will see if you like it ... :)
16:27:50  <Stablean> <The Z> more interesting than eGRVTS trams
16:28:09  <Stablean> <The Z> with german trams capacities are much greater
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16:28:13  <Ammler> opengfx users, could you please update to http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/opengfx/nightlies/r493/
16:28:17  <Ammler> and report any issues
16:28:19  <Stablean> <The Z> but i forgot the name of the newgrf set
16:28:40  <Stablean> <The Z> how come is this for debugging?
16:29:07  <Ammler> this?
16:29:19  <Stablean> <The Z> i havent updated opengfx and opensfx in a while
16:29:25  <V453000> !rcon load 1
16:29:28  <Stablean> *** Game still paused (manual, number of players)
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16:29:39  <Ammler> yeah, we would quite appreciate some tests before we make next release
16:29:43  <V453000> !rcon unpause
16:29:44  <Stablean> *** Game still paused (number of players)
16:29:45  <V453000> !auto
16:29:45  <Stablean> *** V453000 has enabled autopause mode.
16:30:03  <Stablean> *** Game unpaused (number of players)
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16:30:52  <Stablean> <V453000> hope your are happy :p
16:31:02  <Stablean> <The Z> yay!!!
16:31:13  <Stablean> <The Z> wow soo many industries lol
16:31:24  <Stablean> <V453000> Normal setting iirc
16:31:30  <Stablean> <V453000> anyway
16:31:32  <Stablean> <V453000> have fun :p
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16:31:34  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> xD
16:31:34  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> Ty
16:31:36  <Stablean> <The Z> thanks
16:31:36  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> zomg
16:31:38  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> gone so fast.
16:32:10  <Stablean> <The Z> i'm gonna build some coal > power station routes and see what happens :D
16:32:36  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> waaaa, no trams. XD
16:34:37  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> Is it actually better if a station covers an industry fully?
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16:36:07  <Stablean> *** [SVK] jursky has requested an admin
16:36:34  <Ammler> jursky?
16:36:41  <Stablean> <[SVK] jursky> yes?
16:36:53  <Ammler> you reqested a admin :-P
16:36:57  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> XD
16:37:06  <Ammler> !players
16:37:09  <Stablean> Ammler: Client 62 is [SVK] jursky, a spectator
16:37:09  <Stablean> Ammler: Client 52 (Dark Blue) is The Z, in company 2 (ZTN)
16:37:09  <Stablean> Ammler: Client 38 is DayDreamer, a spectator
16:37:09  <Stablean> Ammler: Client 54 (Orange) is Aziroshin, in company 3 (Aziroshin Transport)
16:37:09  <Stablean> Ammler: Client 56 (Light Blue) is Camperio, in company 4 (JK Trans)
16:37:11  <Stablean> <[SVK] jursky> I try only, sorry
16:37:26  <Stablean> <[SVK] jursky> It's nice see a quick reaction of an admin :)
16:37:40  <Stablean> <The Z> btw is this server run from a console window?
16:37:51  <Ammler> well, not nice for me, if it is useless :-)
16:37:57  <Stablean> <The Z> seeing as theres no admin client other than server
16:38:05  <planetmaker> we talk from IRC
16:38:18  <Ammler> we are a bunch of admins :-P
16:38:20  <planetmaker> so yes. We have console access
16:38:26  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> Which explains that Stablean is talking as different users it seems. XD
16:38:48  <Stablean> <The Z> ive spectated public server games with both openttd and an irc client open
16:39:00  <planetmaker> but IRC control is easier than constant console connection ;-)
16:39:01  <Stablean> *** b52 joined the game
16:39:02  <Stablean> <The Z> so i know its all connected, which is nice :)
16:39:05  <Stablean> <[SVK] jursky> Ammler: I mean that !admin only show current online admins, not tell him that I need help. Again sorry
16:39:27  <Ammler> is that so on the !goal servers?
16:39:34  <planetmaker> jursky: it's vice versa. It's your mean to call for an admin
16:39:42  <Stablean> *** DayDreamer has started a new company (#5)
16:39:56  <Stablean> <[SVK] jursky> What year is reset?
16:40:03  <planetmaker> when we feel like
16:40:13  <Stablean> <[SVK] jursky> oh :D
16:40:19  <Stablean> *** {[SVK]} jursky has started a new company (#6)
16:40:24  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> Btw. The Z
16:40:34  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> It wasnt really my network that was at fault.
16:40:52  <Stablean> <The Z> what was the problem?
16:40:59  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> It struck me after I realised that some parts were not properly electrified.. such a simple error. =_=
16:41:08  <Stablean> <The Z> lool that used to happen to me
16:41:14  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> Thats what it was always passanger trains
16:41:18  <Stablean> <The Z> its soo annoying XD
16:41:22  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> Because my freight trains were mostly steam tram engines.. XD
16:41:30  <Stablean> <The Z> your favourite
16:41:52  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> XD
16:41:56  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> Well, not necessarily
16:42:00  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> But it is  a nice engine. =D
16:42:25  <Stablean> <The Z> its the coolest by far
16:42:36  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> And so strong.
16:42:38  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> o_O
16:42:53  <Stablean> <The Z> its amazing compared to the kirby paul tank we have here
16:43:03  <Stablean> <The Z> it could barely pull my coal up a hill!
16:43:27  <Stablean> <The Z> the tram engine was a beast of an engine and was designed in 1903
16:43:53  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> Is there no loco pack anymore now?
16:44:05  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> I dont know the in an outs of all the packs loaded, so I am unsure.
16:44:05  <Stablean> <The Z> default engines for now
16:44:08  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> Yuck.
16:44:18  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> Oh well, it will do.
16:44:20  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> XD
16:44:20  <Stablean> <The Z> theres station sets and i think a tram set
16:44:28  <Stablean> <The Z> old school TTD ftw
16:44:47  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> Well, you know by now - I like variety. XD
16:45:03  <Stablean> <The Z> same with me lol i love the 2cc engine set
16:45:09  <Stablean> <The Z> and the DB XL set
16:46:21  <V453000> DB XL isnt on bananas
16:46:29  <V453000> but it is a great set, without a doubt
16:48:45  <V453000> 2cc ... maybe rarely, but dont expect it much from me
16:49:10  <Stablean> <The Z> ok :D(
16:49:16  <Stablean> <The Z> * :(
16:49:50  <Stablean> <The Z> isnt the DB XL set in the #openttdcoop pack?
16:50:06  <Ammler> since v1
16:50:36  <Stablean> <The Z> i havent seen it used much in multiplayer in general but would like to see it at some point
16:51:25  <Ammler> it is maybe most used on #openttdcoop publicserver
16:51:43  <Ammler> but because of lack on bananas, not useable on usual mp servers
16:51:43  <Stablean> <The Z> really!? i dunno why i havent seen it there
16:51:53  <Stablean> <The Z> i see
16:52:02  <Ammler> _this_ isn't our PublicServer :-)
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16:52:10  <Stablean> <The Z> i was away for a while so i missed a month of PS games
16:52:21  <Stablean> <The Z> and i know this is just the stable server
16:52:31  <Ammler> this is V453000 playground ;-)
16:52:55  <Stablean> <The Z> ive spectated a few games on the PS and i'd like to join it at some point
16:52:57  <planetmaker> :-D
16:53:14  <Stablean> <The Z> i just need to learn how to build complex elements like load balancers and cyclotrons
16:53:17  <planetmaker> there's no need to be afraid, Z
16:53:19  <Ammler> if you are able to spec, you are also able to join
16:53:39  <Stablean> <The Z> just need to fire up the old irc to get the password :D
16:53:39  <planetmaker> and the best way to get acustomed is to join and start building
16:54:05  <Stablean> <The Z> i'm just unsure about, as i said, the more complex parts of the network
16:54:21  <Stablean> <The Z> ive read all about it on the website but im still unsure :s
16:54:49  <Ammler> yeah, that "comes" with practice
16:55:37  <Ammler> and it "goes" the same way like from me ;-)
16:56:31  <V453000> :)
16:57:01  <Stablean> <Camperio> daydreamer why are u taking my forest?
16:57:09  <Stablean> <DayDreamer> why not
16:57:11  <Stablean> <Camperio> i tooked it earlier
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16:57:36  <Stablean> <DayDreamer> look at your funny rail :D
16:57:44  <Stablean> <Camperio> gtfo
16:57:58  <Stablean> <Camperio> even it is funny it is mine
16:58:12  <Stablean> <DayDreamer> passenger stations for wood :D
16:58:16  <Stablean> <V453000> primary competition is allowed
16:58:20  <Stablean> <V453000> especially at this point of the game
16:58:32  <Stablean> <Camperio> i dont mind of stations
16:58:47  <Stablean> <Camperio> gtfo of my forest
16:58:53  <Ammler> Camperio, if there are 2 stations at one industry, the rating will go up faster
16:59:09  <Ammler> so you will have more to transport and finally it is advantate
16:59:11  <Stablean> <V453000> and stop gtfo-ing :)
16:59:39  <Stablean> <Camperio> but i want this industry for my own ;)
16:59:51  <Ammler> there is no "my" in ttd :-)
16:59:52  <Stablean> <Camperio> and i'm not cursing
16:59:52  <Stablean> <V453000> primary industries are for everyone
16:59:58  <Stablean> <Camperio> just simple gtfo
17:00:04  <Stablean> <V453000> if someone steals your goods or steel, well ...
17:00:14  <Stablean> <V453000> then he is an idiot indeed :)
17:00:18  <Stablean> <V453000> but primaries are just fine
17:00:24  <Ammler> then it is mostly his fault, if he doesn't transport that self
17:00:38  <Stablean> <V453000> and if he does?
17:00:44  <Stablean> <V453000> and the other person steals it anyway
17:00:48  <Stablean> <V453000> banworthy imo
17:00:54  <Ammler> hmm
17:01:07  <Ammler> he can buy exclusive rights
17:01:09  <Stablean> *** V453000 has left the game (connection lost)
17:01:40  <Ammler> he can build statue
17:01:50  <Ammler> he can make ads
17:02:09  <Ammler> there is lot you can do against such people without asking for admin
17:02:39  <Ammler> you can stop deliver your primaries there and use another secondary
17:03:26  <Ammler> just do it slowly so the other guy doesn't see it
17:04:15  <Stablean> *** [SVK] jursky has left the game (connection lost)
17:04:51  <planetmaker> ! so... concensus is: anything goes as long as it is not blocking?
17:05:09  <planetmaker> ! And why are secondary cargos considered bad, if primary 'stealing' is allowed?
17:05:11  <V453000> anyway, people stealing others goods, usually with ridiculously bad network, have nothing to do on this server
17:05:17  <planetmaker> ! naturally I'd say rather vice versa...
17:05:26  <V453000> ! cause it is completely different?
17:05:37  <planetmaker> ! In what way?
17:05:55  <planetmaker> ! a person doing primary might live on that. A person doing secondary will also do fine without that
17:05:57  <V453000> !in a way that secondaries are pretty much "yours" ?
17:06:03  <Stablean> *** Camperio has left the game (leaving)
17:06:06  <planetmaker> ! but they aren't.
17:06:12  <V453000> !ok.
17:06:17  <planetmaker> ! :-)
17:06:29  <planetmaker> ! My 'feeling' is just the other way around ;-)
17:06:32  <V453000> !I refuse to discuss
17:06:36  <V453000> !:(
17:06:39  <V453000> ':)
17:06:48  <planetmaker> ! then anything goes
17:07:00  <planetmaker> ! if even we cannot agree
17:07:05  <Ammler> well, I guess, it depends on the situation and people
17:07:09  <planetmaker> ! I won't ban anyone for 'steeling' secondary
17:07:20  <planetmaker> ! but I did for stealing primary already here
17:07:28  <planetmaker> *stealing
17:08:12  <V453000> well
17:08:23  <V453000> towns are for everyone right?
17:08:31  <V453000> towns basically are primaries
17:08:38  <V453000> now tell me :)
17:08:46  <planetmaker> towns are no industries.
17:08:48  <planetmaker> Your turn
17:09:00  <V453000> what is the difference
17:09:12  <V453000> you transport it, people can steal it
17:09:13  <planetmaker> house vs. industry. Completely different features
17:09:38  <V453000> you can make you firs moneymaker there, others steal it, the same.
17:09:41  <V453000> in this case.
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17:10:07  <planetmaker> yeah. As it's different things, it's ok
17:10:14  <planetmaker> a town is not an industry
17:10:18  <V453000> god damn
17:10:22  <Ammler> :-)
17:10:49  <V453000> we are talking about stealing, not if houses == electricity generators or whatever
17:11:19  <V453000> you argued with your first money - people steal around to eliminate you
17:11:24  <V453000> exactly same scenario
17:11:48  <Ammler> ! my opinion (never changed): there is no stealing at all,
17:12:10  <V453000> !well that is the least rude one and of course the best :)
17:12:32  <planetmaker> V453000, so... can you own a town? Can you own an industry? I say no to town and yes to industry as it seems very logical
17:12:51  <V453000> I would actually reverse that
17:13:02  <V453000> since you grow the town, you have your roads there, you have some plan how to grow it
17:13:04  <planetmaker> V453000, then have fun buying your town
17:13:11  <planetmaker> (in RL)
17:13:12  <V453000> wtf?
17:13:16  <planetmaker> :-)
17:13:19  <V453000> how is that related
17:13:39  <planetmaker> I can't buy 'my' town. But I can buy the industry next door. Pretty logical to me :-)
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17:13:59  <Ammler> you both are right
17:14:07  <Ammler> (and wrong)
17:14:28  <planetmaker> :-)
17:16:18  <V453000> well yes
17:16:28  <V453000> but we are talking about the gameplay, not real industries and towns ...
17:16:33  <V453000> which planetmaker seems to be
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17:17:10  <planetmaker> oh, I'm talking about gameplay, V453000
17:17:32  <V453000> well then why do you tell me to buy my own city in a RL
17:17:32  * planetmaker should get out popcorn and a coke ;-)
17:17:54  <planetmaker> V453000, as an analogy why you cannot own a town (competition is ok) but can own an industry
17:18:09  <V453000> I dont quite understand why
17:18:49  <V453000> what will piss you off more? if someone steals your mine or gets his ass in your 20k goods/month factory or a 50-year-of-care grown town by yourself?
17:19:03  <planetmaker> the mine
17:19:09  <planetmaker> Because that ensures my basic income
17:19:17  <planetmaker> The town is big enough to nurture us both
17:19:24  <V453000> well
17:19:30  <planetmaker> And the factory is still a source of income as long as I deliver
17:19:53  <V453000> I guess you care about income when you have about an endless amount of cash and jammed netowrk
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17:20:10  <Stablean> <Intexon> hey
17:20:12  <Stablean> <V453000> hi Intexon :)
17:20:18  <Stablean> <Intexon> hi :)
17:20:25  <planetmaker> V453000, this competition rule is ONLY about new companies with little / low cash and about not being able to bancrupt a company with it
17:20:27  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> I know that I'd be way more annoyed at town stealing.
17:20:38  <planetmaker> and primary to secondary transport is the best means to keep a steady cash flow
17:20:53  <planetmaker> and the means to setup a MM, especially for emerging companies
17:21:10  <V453000> you still will not bankrupt with our settings ever :)
17:21:12  <planetmaker> otoh, if later a new player wants to start in grown towns... why not
17:21:23  <planetmaker> V453000, exactly. My point
17:21:49  <V453000> ?
17:21:54  <planetmaker> But if you allow people to compete at every industry, especially the MM ones, a new company can be put out of competition easily
17:22:14  <V453000> you still will not bankrupt with our settings ever :)
17:22:24  <planetmaker> Like, you start 5 years earlier. Then you have sufficient money to compete at every place I start building
17:22:34  <planetmaker> which will bancrupt the new guy
17:22:39  <V453000> you still will not bankrupt with our settings ever :)
17:22:49  <planetmaker> But if you disallow primary industry competition, you wouldn't be allowed to bancrupt him
17:22:58  <planetmaker> V453000, of course.
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17:23:07  <planetmaker> A new player won't have a secondary industry
17:23:22  <planetmaker> And any primary he uses to get cargo for the secondary can be competed
17:23:28  <planetmaker> so he's out of business very fast
17:23:45  <V453000> ...
17:23:49  <planetmaker> you basically allow competition at the root
17:23:53  <V453000> he has less, but still has some
17:24:05  <planetmaker> you can disallow everything by those rules
17:24:15  <planetmaker> or sufficiently much that it's not fun
17:24:20  <planetmaker> or not even break-even
17:25:33  <planetmaker> or tell me how with the 'no competition at factory rule' a new player can make money, if I transport efficiently everywhere where he builds at primaries / in towns?
17:26:09  <V453000> even that way
17:26:13  <V453000> I think you still can
17:26:19  <planetmaker> I know one can't
17:26:25  <planetmaker> If the other means to
17:26:33  <V453000> it fhere isnt anything free, map is usually considered done and reset btw
17:26:49  <planetmaker> so?
17:27:13  <V453000> and of course, intentional elimination is prohibited in all forms
17:27:24  <planetmaker> it's just competition
17:27:29  <planetmaker> it's not elimination
17:27:37  <planetmaker> that happens due to bancruptcy
17:27:40  <V453000> well
17:28:02  <V453000> if you play in a way to eliminate the opponent, the competition is rather elimination
17:28:10  <planetmaker> give me 10 years head start and you won't manage to make much money
17:28:27  <planetmaker> And all is fine by the rules
17:28:48  <planetmaker> And 'my' rules just make sure that the other player can setup a MM unharmed or others violate the rules
17:29:01  <V453000> well, then I am here to ban such idiots as you in that case in order to prevent suh elimination :)
17:29:02  <planetmaker> That were the rules which were used on the fair play servers
17:29:13  <V453000> (noob servers)
17:29:22  <planetmaker> like this one
17:29:54  <V453000> this server isnt entirely normal
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17:37:21  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> Yay, loan free.
17:37:23  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> I have to go guys
17:37:25  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> See ya. XD
17:37:46  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> Gonna stay logged in idling. :x
17:38:04  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> If that is something I should not do here,  say it now, for in a few seconds, I wont be able to read it anymore. XD
17:41:05  <Ammler> you could switch to spec
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20:21:04  <Stablean> <DayDreamer> gn
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20:21:12  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> Good night
20:21:20  <Stablean> <The Z> hi
20:21:22  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> Hello
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20:21:28  <Stablean> <The Z> are you off to bed?
20:21:35  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> I thought "gn" meant good night.
20:21:37  <Stablean> <The Z> oh that was daydreamer
20:21:54  <Stablean> <The Z> nah usually we just say nite
20:22:04  <Stablean> <The Z> same meaning
20:22:30  <Stablean> <The Z> ive been out and about all day and im too tired from openttd-ing last night so im going to bed too
20:22:41  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> xD
20:23:21  <Stablean> <The Z> thats why my company isnt growing quickly and im 5th instead of 2nd
20:23:56  <Stablean> <The Z> well my futures sorted for the next 4 years
20:24:02  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> I guess, lol.
20:24:04  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> Grats =D
20:24:08  <Stablean> <The Z> thanks XD
20:24:18  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> This time, I started out nicely.
20:24:21  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> Youve seen it, I guess.
20:24:23  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> XD
20:24:29  <Stablean> <The Z> not all of it
20:24:37  <Stablean> <The Z> ive been away for hours
20:24:50  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> I used about 300£ in loans to build that large line there.
20:24:56  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> I then hauled coal over there and went off.
20:25:07  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> 60£ per train or something
20:25:10  <Stablean> <The Z> lol zigzag
20:25:12  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> 60k£ I mean
20:25:18  <Stablean> <The Z> thats great
20:25:36  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> I just took some coal at some corner of the map to transport it to some power plant at the opposite corner.
20:25:39  <Stablean> <The Z> my first trains only netted me £50k but the lines were cheaper and distances less
20:25:47  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> Even before I went AFK I had my loans paid.
20:25:59  <Stablean> <The Z> lol that was my first priority
20:26:13  <Stablean> <The Z> thats why i dropped from 1st to 2nd place
20:26:19  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> Well, I earned so much.
20:26:25  <Stablean> <The Z> i didnt throw money into new tracks as readily
20:26:27  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> It wouldnt even have made much of a difference.
20:26:41  <Stablean> <The Z> lol i still have more money than you
20:26:55  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> Yeah, I was AFK. XD
20:27:01  <Stablean> <The Z> same here tho
20:27:12  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> Around the time when I went AFk your yearly revenue was less than one trains income of one of my coal trains. XD
20:27:15  <Stablean> <The Z> as soon as my balance was over 100k i left it
20:27:25  <Stablean> <The Z> came back to 1m earlier
20:27:31  <Stablean> <The Z> now its 4m
20:27:39  <Stablean> <The Z> at one point
20:27:55  <Stablean> <The Z> but my trains were slow and irregular and very few
20:28:29  <Stablean> <The Z> one quarter i had more income than anyone else, the next i was 5th
20:28:39  <Stablean> <The Z> it depends when all my trains arrive
20:29:01  <Stablean> <The Z> anyway i dont like this map too much since its soo hilly
20:29:06  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> Its similar with me - I had the second best revenue once my line stood.
20:29:19  <Stablean> <The Z> not good for high speed tracks
20:29:23  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> If I wouldnt have gone AFK, this would have propelled me to pretty nice heights by now.
20:29:31  <Stablean> <The Z> the same here
20:29:33  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> I guess. XD
20:29:43  <Stablean> <The Z> i wouldve spent my millions on lots of new links
20:29:54  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> Im just saying, my way of investing some loans early on doesnt seem that bad at all.
20:30:06  <Stablean> <The Z> and on producing goods through iron ore and steel since their payment rates were very high
20:30:20  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> The investment returned in a matter of like 30 minutes or something.
20:30:42  <Stablean> <The Z> well i tend to start more slowly because i seem to be scared by loan interest
20:31:05  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> I had 300k in loans and paid 5k in interest
20:31:09  <Stablean> <The Z> but mainly because ive had close encounters with bankruptcy when being overindulgent on a new network
20:31:23  <Stablean> <The Z> but then i remembered that e rails are so much more expensive
20:31:34  <Stablean> <The Z> so i stopped using them until i was rich
20:31:58  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> It's all about the investment. Thanks to it, I had 10 trains out - 600k£ from just every train dumping once, double the loan that would be.
20:32:26  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> Okay, right, I did not finance all of them by loan
20:32:36  <Stablean> <The Z> well i didnt take the same route - i went for small links to build healthy funds
20:32:42  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> I am not sure anymore, but I think Ive dropped in some of them from my earnings already. XD
20:32:49  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> I was kinda in a hurry becaus eI was being late. :x
20:32:55  <Stablean> <The Z> and then expand like crazy with terraforming and everything to build a great network
20:33:15  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> Whatever is fun - and THEN whatever works. XD
20:33:35  <Stablean> <The Z> yeah its all about the fun
20:33:53  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> Or in other words - I am open to many approaches anyway.
20:33:59  <Stablean> <The Z> but many take it seriously so they build complex networks with priorities and balancers
20:34:20  <Stablean> <The Z> thats fun also
20:34:27  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> Well, why not. It's still fun, whether you take it serious or not. XD
20:34:31  <Stablean> <The Z> but after a while you run out of things to do
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20:35:01  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> :x
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20:35:29  <Stablean> <The Z> so that theres something to do always
20:35:41  <Stablean> <The Z> connection broke lol
20:35:48  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> Ive seen it :x
20:36:02  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> Bah
20:36:04  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> my coal mines aren't really growing
20:36:09  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> how did that guy last game do that?
20:36:11  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> 2k tonnes
20:36:13  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> Dx
20:36:27  <Stablean> <The Z> keep serving them and hoping they do well
20:36:37  <Stablean> <The Z> the max in game is 2995
20:36:39  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> I guess I'll have to have trains pile up or something?
20:36:43  <Stablean> <The Z> no
20:36:53  <Stablean> <The Z> just wait and with time it will increase
20:37:02  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> They are kinda the same like when I went afk
20:37:05  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> No improvement at all.
20:37:28  <Stablean> <The Z> usually its in the 70s to 00s that primary industries start to find lots of new resources
20:37:39  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> o.o
20:37:56  <Stablean> <The Z> after that production increases more quickly - new tech etc.
20:38:00  <Stablean> <The Z> though this isnt clear in-game
20:38:10  <Stablean> <The Z> i'm sorry but i have to go
20:38:16  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> Have a nice. o_o
20:38:23  <Stablean> <The Z> i dont want to fall asleep in front of my laptop (again!!!)
20:38:29  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> XDD
20:38:39  <Stablean> <The Z> good luck with your game ill see you tomorrow
20:38:44  <Stablean> <The Z> byee!!!
20:38:49  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> See ya
20:38:49  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> xD
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20:38:55  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> rofl
20:38:57  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> :x
20:39:11  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> He didn't have to pull the plug.. XD
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21:16:09  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> O.O
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21:49:42  <Stablean> <V453000> hi
21:50:05  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> Hello :o
21:50:35  <Stablean> <V453000> Aziroshin: 90 degree turns are not allowed :)
21:50:45  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> Yuck, where did I do that? XD
21:50:51  <Stablean> <V453000> Kendwood Mines
21:51:01  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> Olol
21:51:03  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> There was something to debug
21:51:05  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> I havent tended it yet
21:51:08  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> I guess that must have been it..
21:51:14  <Stablean> <V453000> :)
21:51:16  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> I knew because the train was running wild
21:51:18  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> Thanks xD
21:51:20  <Stablean> <V453000> yw
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21:51:42  <Stablean> <V453000> I am here to help people build better :p
21:52:04  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> But with "Not allowed" you just mean that it doesnt work, and not that it is an offense of some sort, right? :p
21:52:10  <Stablean> <V453000> besides kicking people, banning people, ...
21:52:14  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> xD
21:52:16  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> Unbanning people.. :x
21:52:19  <Stablean> <V453000> it means that it isnt allowed in settings
21:52:27  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> Okay.
21:52:35  <Stablean> <V453000> it is possible to allow it but that makes more trouble than use
21:52:50  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> Well, its kinda un-nice anyway.
21:53:12  <Stablean> <V453000> also it is Extremely slow for trains to pass it, so you shouldnt ever use it :p
21:53:23  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> I know, I've read about it
21:53:24  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> I never used it.
21:53:34  <Stablean> <V453000> which reminds me that you should build longer curves :)
21:53:44  <Stablean> <V453000> when 265kmh trains slow down to 88kmh, it hurts :)
21:54:09  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> Yeah, I thought about that I should curve better probably ,at least on the main route.
21:54:16  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> I guess that'll be something to refit one day.
21:54:18  <Stablean> <V453000> :)
21:54:22  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> At least on that big central vein.
21:54:28  <Stablean> <V453000> yea
21:54:47  <Stablean> <V453000> but as long as you use short enough trains, it is easy to keep good curves everywhere
21:55:09  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> Youve probably already figured - I tend to train rather large.
21:55:11  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> XD
21:55:20  <Stablean> <V453000> this is ok yet
21:55:24  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> my station is at its limits. It needs enlargement.
21:55:58  <Stablean> <V453000> some people tend to build trains no shorter than 10 tiles long ... which is just straight up retarded :) such people usually build just and only for income and can be safely considered noobs :p
21:56:16  <Stablean> <kuch3n> hey!
21:56:34  <Stablean> <V453000> how is that related to you? :)
21:56:40  <Stablean> <V453000> you have short trains :)
21:56:40  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> Hallo
21:56:51  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> Well, they are 7 tiles long. I have had longer trains
21:56:53  <Stablean> <kuch3n> oh, miss understood it
21:56:55  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> Because I like it.
21:57:06  <Stablean> <V453000> yea
21:57:26  <Stablean> <V453000> 5 tiles is kind of classic ... 3 tiles is very comfortable though :)
21:57:41  <Stablean> <V453000> I would recommend 3 for the start :p
21:57:55  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> But I guess you make a difference between "noobishly" large trains and trains that are large for fun, right? :p
21:58:09  <Stablean> <V453000> well there is a huge difference
21:59:07  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> One could even say, the difference is absolutely fundamental.
21:59:10  <Stablean> <V453000> you are a beginner who just made such trains "because". There is absolutely nothing bad in this, it actually is very good because, particularly if you start discovering the disadvantages in terms of network construction requirements
21:59:44  <Stablean> <kuch3n> if i want to buy a industry, there is written: prospecting? what is meant with this?
21:59:55  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> I ve just learned last game how train length and station length correspond.
22:00:05  <Stablean> <V453000> the players who use super long trains on purpose usually play the game for a long time, and care about only income, money, and to over-run others. typically seen on goal-servers. These players will never get better and thus I call them noobs :)
22:00:31  <Stablean> <V453000> prospecting - you give money to make the industry built, and it is built on a random spot on map
22:00:33  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> I see.
22:00:43  <Stablean> <kuch3n> where can i find it?
22:00:54  <Stablean> *** V453000 has started a new company (#9)
22:01:06  <Stablean> <V453000> click on industries and hold it
22:01:08  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> xD
22:01:10  <Stablean> <V453000> then move down
22:01:10  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> New company on the whim.
22:01:12  <Stablean> *** V453000 has joined spectators
22:01:28  <Stablean> <V453000> I just needed to check if it is enabled :p
22:01:34  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> ;3
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22:03:01  <Stablean> <V453000> anyway, if I had to give you an award for something, Aziroshin, then it is using the block signals.
22:03:21  <Stablean> <V453000> most new people tend to use the PBS, where they usually get stuck :)
22:03:29  <Stablean> <kuch3n> pbs?
22:03:31  <Stablean> <V453000> using pre-signals is super good
22:03:34  <Stablean> <V453000> the red signals
22:03:37  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> I have some pbs on the network, but not many.
22:03:57  <Stablean> <V453000> good, goood job there
22:03:59  <Stablean> <V453000> really like it
22:04:01  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> =D
22:04:03  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> Thanks. xD
22:04:11  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> You should have seen the network from the last game
22:04:15  <Stablean> <V453000> but you could use higher density ;)
22:04:15  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> Well, you have I guess.
22:04:26  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> Yeah, the density is rather low.
22:04:43  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> I havent figured out yet how to build them only one way using the signal dragging tool
22:04:49  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> And if I have to .. URGS
22:04:55  <Stablean> <V453000> drag :)
22:05:08  <Stablean> <V453000> and to build even on curves, hold ctrl when dragging
22:05:22  <Stablean> <kuch3n> Can someone help me in Lenningbury?
22:05:24  <Stablean> <kuch3n> Got a Jam
22:05:42  <Stablean> <V453000> use exit signals there
22:05:52  <Stablean> <kuch3n> there are
22:05:54  <Stablean> <V453000> the comboes react on each other
22:05:56  <Stablean> <V453000> these are combo :)
22:06:00  <Stablean> <V453000> that is why it deadlocks
22:06:20  <V453000> !players
22:06:23  <Stablean> V453000: Client 94 (Orange) is Aziroshin, in company 3 (Aziroshin Transport)
22:06:23  <Stablean> V453000: Client 96 (Pink) is kuch3n, in company 7 (kuch3n Transport)
22:06:23  <Stablean> V453000: Client 102 is V453000, a spectator
22:06:29  <V453000> !rcon move 102 7
22:06:30  <Stablean> V453000: *** V453000 has joined company #7
22:06:34  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> xD
22:07:00  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> Yaay, the train that got lost found its way back since the 90° curve got evened out.
22:07:00  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> XD
22:07:30  <Stablean> <V453000> :)
22:07:32  <Stablean> *** V453000 has joined spectators
22:07:34  <Stablean> <kuch3n> ty
22:07:36  <Stablean> <V453000> yw
22:07:42  <Stablean> <V453000> btw you have an ugly colour :PPP
22:07:45  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> .. XD
22:07:51  <Stablean> <kuch3n> yea..
22:08:06  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> eyescream would want that color.
22:08:08  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> Or cyan.
22:08:11  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> Or purple.
22:08:21  <Stablean> <kuch3n> are those signals block signals?
22:08:31  <Stablean> <V453000> block signals are all but PBS
22:08:51  <Stablean> <V453000> sometimes block signals are called only the very first ones
22:09:48  <Stablean> <V453000> btw exit signals dont mean they are in the end of a station, but in the end of a logic block
22:10:11  <Stablean> <V453000> meaning that they are basically in the end of a station entrance, which is considered 1 logic block in this case .)
22:10:17  <Stablean> <V453000> Lenningbury Mines
22:10:50  <Stablean> <kuch3n> I see :)
22:11:06  <Stablean> <V453000> the exit needs just normal signals
22:11:10  <Stablean> *** V453000 has started a new company (#9)
22:12:00  <Stablean> <V453000> block signal
22:12:43  <Stablean> <kuch3n> exit?
22:12:46  <Stablean> <kuch3n> on the front?
22:13:16  <Stablean> <V453000> as I said
22:13:31  <Stablean> <V453000> station entrance is one logic mechanism that works on its own
22:13:34  <Stablean> <V453000> has nothing to do with exit
22:14:00  <Stablean> <V453000> that way it doesnt make sense to connect them in some pre-signalling matter
22:14:34  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> That bridge there where I put the sign
22:14:37  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> Ive never seen it before
22:14:39  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> (the gfx)
22:14:43  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> Looks good. =D
22:15:06  <Stablean> <V453000> Total Bridge Renewal Set
22:15:12  <Stablean> <V453000> :)
22:15:14  <Stablean> *** Ruirize joined the game
22:15:20  <Stablean> <Ruirize> Hallo
22:15:20  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> =D
22:15:22  <Stablean> <kuch3n> yep, set looks very nice
22:15:24  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> Hello
22:15:26  <Stablean> <V453000> hi
22:15:30  <Stablean> <Ruirize> Jus' spectatin'
22:15:32  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> The Dutch Tram Set looks nice, too.
22:15:32  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> XD
22:15:36  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> hint hint xP
22:16:05  <Stablean> <V453000> yea I sometime use it
22:16:17  <Stablean> <V453000> maybe next time :p
22:16:28  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> Could it be that no tram set has been loaded?
22:16:36  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> I still cannot build any trams.
22:16:38  <Stablean> <V453000> yes
22:16:40  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> Dx
22:16:54  <Stablean> <V453000> seriously, you dont need them :p
22:16:56  <Stablean> <kuch3n> I can save one block this signals
22:17:12  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> I know I don't "need" them. XD
22:17:18  <Stablean> <kuch3n> +with
22:17:39  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> I love trams. =D - at least older ones.
22:17:45  <Stablean> <Ruirize> Aziroshin, you realize that your trains are really inefficient, right?
22:17:51  <Stablean> <kuch3n> Do we get planes and electric trains?
22:18:10  <Stablean> <V453000> both
22:18:14  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> Ive been playing for a few days.
22:18:16  <Stablean> <Ruirize> Ohhh ok
22:18:19  <Stablean> <V453000> although planes are super-penalized
22:18:21  <Stablean> <Ruirize> WAIT WTF
22:18:43  <Stablean> <Ruirize> Jesus hells balls man, try not going overboard with the trains :D
22:19:01  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> xD
22:19:07  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> Well, as you see, its barely enough. =D
22:19:20  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> These coal mines just are churning out the stuff.
22:19:24  <Stablean> <Ruirize> On my lan server, default vanilla, I make 2 mil a year within 5 years :D
22:19:26  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> But they are slowly growing.. x_X
22:19:42  <Stablean> <V453000> Ruirize: why do you care about money
22:19:42  <Stablean> <Ruirize> Also you have a train in a depot somewhere with no cars
22:19:48  <Stablean> <Ruirize> Because I do
22:19:58  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> Oh, right, that loco.
22:20:04  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> I should have sold it.
22:20:06  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> Forgot about it. XD
22:20:17  <Stablean> <Ruirize> Holy shit.
22:20:30  <Stablean> <Ruirize> Train 14, 123K
22:20:37  <Stablean> <Ruirize> Niiice
22:20:47  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> ? o.o
22:20:49  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> Where, what?
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22:21:01  <Stablean> <Ruirize> Train 14 is making 123k per visit
22:21:27  <Stablean> <Ruirize> also, replace your buses.
22:21:35  <Stablean> <Ruirize> They're all pretty much dead
22:21:42  <Stablean> <V453000> how does that matter now
22:21:48  <Stablean> <Ruirize> Still
22:21:51  <Stablean> <Ruirize> You should maintain them
22:21:53  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> Oh dear. I forgot to turn autorenew back on.
22:23:36  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> And, well, I've been gone for some time, so, my company probably doesn't make as much money and isnt as well established as it could (have been). XD
22:23:47  <Stablean> <Ruirize> Yeah
22:24:30  <Stablean> <Ruirize> Train 13 is dead
22:24:33  <Stablean> <kuch3n> V45, can u see my line at Senningville Mine?
22:24:59  <Stablean> <Ruirize> Aziroshin, I hope you don't mind me spying on your company.
22:25:01  <Stablean> <kuch3n> solved
22:25:13  <Stablean> <V453000> not me
22:26:00  <Stablean> <Ruirize> Aziroshin, replace or kill Train 13
22:26:07  <Stablean> <Ruirize> Pwease :3
22:26:09  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> Dead as in, its smoking?
22:26:11  <Stablean> <V453000> why
22:26:17  <Stablean> <Ruirize> Dead, as in, age
22:26:20  <Stablean> <V453000> WHY
22:26:22  <Stablean> <V453000> do you care about age
22:26:32  <Stablean> <Ruirize> Wtf, V45, shut up
22:26:41  <Stablean> <V453000> I am curious about that
22:26:45  <Stablean> <Ruirize> You need to make sure your trains don't wear out
22:26:51  <Stablean> <V453000> but wy
22:26:51  <Stablean> <V453000> why
22:26:59  <Stablean> <Ruirize> so you make money, duuuhhh
22:27:02  <Stablean> <V453000> lol?
22:27:10  <Stablean> <V453000> why wouldnt you make money with old trains
22:27:21  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> Well, the trauin is 4 years old anyway, so, taht's not it.
22:27:23  <Stablean> <Ruirize> Because they stop working after a while
22:27:29  <Stablean> <V453000> no they dont stop working
22:27:29  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> *train
22:27:44  <Stablean> <Ruirize> Train 13 is dead according to the list
22:27:50  <Stablean> <Ruirize> Red light
22:27:56  <Stablean> <Ruirize> Made -1k over the last year
22:27:58  <Stablean> <V453000> that means it didnt make profit last year
22:28:06  <Stablean> <Ruirize> Exactly
22:28:13  <Stablean> <Ruirize> Didn't make money this year either
22:28:15  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> Well, it is standing there, not loading. But it can move, Ive just ordered it to the depot and back.
22:28:44  <Stablean> <Ruirize> So why is it listed as red?
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22:28:51  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> I am trying to find out what is happening.
22:29:53  <Stablean> <Ruirize> You told it to full load, but there's nothing ever there, because it accepts only
22:29:55  <Stablean> <Ruirize> :D
22:30:16  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> Other trains have passed by, got loaded fully and went.
22:30:19  <Stablean> <Ruirize> Odd
22:30:29  <Stablean> <Ruirize> There was nothing waiting at the station
22:31:00  <Stablean> <Ruirize> Derpa
22:31:08  <Stablean> <Ruirize> The station is at a power plant
22:31:11  <Stablean> <Ruirize> Not a coal mine
22:31:28  <Stablean> <Ruirize> Wait nvm
22:31:32  <Stablean> <Ruirize> Durrrh
22:31:54  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> You are right, this train had the power plant station set to full loading.
22:31:56  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> What the hell..
22:31:58  <Stablean> <Ruirize> Tell it to go again?
22:31:58  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> Well, thanks f or pointing it out.
22:32:06  <Stablean> <Ruirize> You're welcome
22:32:10  <Stablean> <Ruirize> And that was uberlag
22:32:32  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> It goes on.
22:32:35  <Stablean> <Ruirize> Jesus christ that train just make 126K...
22:33:29  <Stablean> <kuch3n> nice, there are zeppelins :)
22:33:31  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> Well, I guess 126k is okay.
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22:33:43  <Stablean> <Ruirize> 126k for a yearly trip is awesome
22:33:53  <Stablean> <V453000> Aziroshin: you have 6 fucking million, you dont have to care about cash :)
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22:34:13  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> I care about many things, cash is one of them.
22:34:17  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> However, I am not crazed or something.
22:34:27  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> Sure, I like increasing revenue.
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22:35:11  <Stablean> <Ruirize> Jesus lag
22:35:15  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> :x
22:35:31  <V453000> !server_status
22:35:31  <Stablean> V453000:  00:35am  up  12:23,  2 users,  load average: 1.53, 1.16, 0.96
22:35:31  <Stablean> V453000: Cpu(s):  8.9% us,  1.7% sy,  1.2% ni, 87.9% id,  0.2% wa,  0.0% hi,  0.0% si
22:35:32  <Stablean> V453000: 18106 ottdc     26  10  142m  24m 4348 S   10  1.2  24:53.06 ./stable -c openttd
22:35:58  <Stablean> *** Ruirize has left the game (connection lost)
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22:36:34  <Stablean> <kuch3n> i forget my password :S
22:36:37  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> D'x
22:36:49  <Stablean> *** kuch3n has joined spectators
22:36:57  <V453000> !players
22:37:00  <Stablean> V453000: Client 94 (Orange) is Aziroshin, in company 3 (Aziroshin Transport)
22:37:00  <Stablean> V453000: Client 102 (Blue) is V453000, in company 9 (V453000 Transport)
22:37:00  <Stablean> V453000: Client 112 is kuch3n, a spectator
22:37:07  <V453000> !rcon move 112 7
22:37:07  <Stablean> V453000: *** kuch3n has joined company #7
22:37:19  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> Use !admin
22:37:25  <Stablean> <V453000> ...
22:37:31  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> Ah, there you are. XD
22:37:37  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> Sorry, I wasnt sure whether you were here or not.
22:37:57  <Stablean> *** kuch3n has requested an admin
22:38:05  <Stablean> <V453000> ....
22:38:05  <Stablean> <V453000> ...
22:38:05  <Stablean> <kuch3n> V is one? isnt he? :p
22:38:07  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> I just thought it would have been a situation where the command would have been useful
22:38:10  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> Well, V is here now, kuchen :p
22:38:18  <Stablean> <V453000> I already moved you into your company btw
22:38:22  <Stablean> <kuch3n> ah ty :D
22:38:53  <Stablean> <kuch3n> green, u got a big jam
22:39:01  <Stablean> <V453000> green is gone
22:39:40  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> Is it bad now that I suggested using admin? :x - I thought it would be okay.
22:39:55  <Stablean> <V453000> it would
22:40:01  <Stablean> <V453000> but not when I am here lol :D
22:40:04  <Stablean> <kuch3n> We have to talk to him as he is a "admin" ;)
22:40:10  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> I wasnt sure whether you would be away or something. XD
22:40:14  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> I know he is o,o
22:40:47  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> Maybe I should just have waited for some more time befor suggesting it. :p
22:41:21  <Stablean> <V453000> you could give me some money btw :P
22:41:32  <Stablean> <V453000> kindly please :p
22:41:42  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> How would I do that?
22:41:42  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> XD
22:41:49  <Stablean> <V453000> you know where client list is?
22:41:55  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> Yes
22:41:57  <Stablean> <kuch3n> God is this a big jam -.-"
22:41:59  <Stablean> <V453000> over that
22:42:07  <Stablean> <V453000> just click on my name
22:42:18  <Stablean> <V453000> tanks :)
22:42:20  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> Yeah, Ive seen it o,o
22:42:45  <Stablean> <kuch3n> 20 trains jammed :>
22:43:17  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> Sad - but that's how it is. If anyone makes a mistake that will render his network unusable while hes gone, we have to take the consequences. XD
22:44:10  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> I mean, we, as in, the one that owns the network (if it happens to me, I would have to take the consequences, if it happens to you, you would have, and so on)
22:44:28  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> Well, stating the obvious..
22:44:30  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> xP
22:45:36  <Stablean> <kuch3n> why are the signals still red :x
22:45:46  <Stablean> <V453000> cause you build in PBS only
22:45:48  <Stablean> <kuch3n> ah combo signals :>
22:46:13  <planetmaker> [00:37]	<Stablean>	*** kuch3n has requested an admin <-- still required or just 'toying around'?
22:46:39  <Stablean> <kuch3n> Problem already solved, thanks
22:46:41  <Stablean> <V453000> cant you see that I am here? ...
22:46:41  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> Well, we were a bit too quick
22:46:51  <Stablean> <kuch3n> V, they dont want u :D
22:46:55  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> .. XD
22:47:02  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> I was not sure whether V was still there
22:47:13  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> so I suggested kuchen to use !admin for his forgotten password
22:47:35  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> I should just have given it a little more time before suggesting that, story done. xP
22:47:57  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> Sorry. :p
22:49:30  <Stablean> <kuch3n> i gota zeppelin, yea :D
22:50:31  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> xD Grats
22:50:54  <Stablean> <kuch3n> 2M per year? oO
22:51:00  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> xD
22:51:02  <Stablean> <kuch3n> wtf
22:51:14  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> Nothing too special.
22:51:20  <Stablean> <kuch3n> its much
22:51:30  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> Yeah, it's not bad.
22:51:58  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> But, last game, there was someone that had an entire different dimension of income already at 1953
22:52:13  <Stablean> <V453000> btw
22:52:19  <Stablean> <kuch3n> how much?
22:52:21  <Stablean> <V453000> you can never make money with aircraft
22:52:24  <Stablean> <V453000> on this server
22:52:34  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> Good to know.
22:52:51  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> So I can build aircraft for fun without it being some kind of imba ezmoney.
22:52:58  <Stablean> <V453000> yes
22:53:13  <Stablean> <V453000> because it is just braindead ... you build 2 airports, make money. end
22:53:30  <Stablean> <kuch3n> thats cool..at the very first time
22:53:44  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> But it wont hurt if it doesnt operate at a loss, at least.
22:53:46  <Stablean> <V453000> sure
22:53:48  <Stablean> <V453000> its good
22:53:50  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> *wouldnt
22:54:01  <Stablean> <V453000> but you can get noob companies who dont do anything else :)
22:54:07  <Stablean> <kuch3n> Where u ppl from?
22:54:25  <Stablean> <V453000> Sparta
22:54:41  <planetmaker> a land of no-leat-speak ;-)
22:54:45  <Stablean> <kuch3n> how can i make a Screenshoot?
22:54:52  <Stablean> <V453000> ctrl S
22:55:04  <Stablean> <V453000> or over the "?" menu
22:55:05  <planetmaker> ctrl+g is nicer ;-)
22:55:12  <Stablean> <kuch3n> 1 c0u1d sp43k in 1337 $p43|/\
22:55:19  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> Right click somewhere after the red dialog pops up after screenshot making.
22:56:07  <Stablean> <kuch3n> I made one, cause my bridge looks preety nice :)
22:56:22  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> lol
22:56:28  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> I think I made one as well.
22:56:28  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> XD
22:56:42  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> Ah, that bridge over there?
22:56:53  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> Briiidge
22:56:55  <Stablean> <kuch3n> "over there?" ..
22:57:02  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> XD
22:57:08  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> Well, it's bound to be it. :p
22:57:10  <Stablean> <kuch3n> hey u, over there? yes u? ure a fag..
22:57:12  <Stablean> <kuch3n> :D
22:57:16  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> O_O
22:57:19  <Stablean> <kuch3n> not u :D
22:57:25  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> xD
22:57:31  <Stablean> <kuch3n> Someone besides me
22:58:05  <Stablean> <kuch3n> how can i make my city grow faster?
22:58:09  <Stablean> <V453000> busses
22:58:17  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> I got told they need goods, too.
22:58:20  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> (for growth)
22:58:34  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> Well, they do grow with passenger transport, however
22:58:44  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> they seem to stop at some point.
22:58:51  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> I asked why, someone said goods.
22:58:57  <Stablean> <V453000> no
22:59:11  <Stablean> <V453000> just transport pax and boost it with bus transport in city center
22:59:24  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> Will goods do anything for growth?
22:59:28  <Stablean> <V453000> goods might have some influence, but passengers is main
22:59:43  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> Maybe I just didnt transport enough yesterday.
22:59:58  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> Even though.. almost all the passengers were being moved around. :<
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23:00:14  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> But the city kinda capped around 4.8-5.xk
23:00:21  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> It started from like 1.5k
23:00:27  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> (in 195x)
23:00:29  <Stablean> <V453000> did it have enough roads?
23:00:41  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> Do I have to build the roads for the city? I thought it would build its own roads.
23:00:48  <Stablean> <V453000> depends on settings
23:00:54  <Stablean> <kuch3n> oO
23:00:56  <Stablean> <V453000> on our server they dont build roads
23:01:02  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> Oh shoot. I guess that was it.. =_=
23:01:05  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> XPP
23:01:07  <Stablean> <V453000> because if you allow them to, they fuck up :)
23:01:13  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> xD
23:01:15  <Stablean> <kuch3n> i see
23:01:31  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> But I have to keep to a certain pattern, right?
23:01:35  <Stablean> <V453000> no
23:01:42  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> Wiki said something along those lines.
23:01:56  <Stablean> <V453000> use brain, not wiki :)
23:02:07  <Stablean> <kuch3n> brain? whats this?
23:02:26  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> I do, but brain doesnt answer that question. :p - it's game mechanics, and if the wiki says it, well, its perfectly possible. o:
23:02:40  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> But, I think the wiki was referring to a different situation.
23:02:51  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> when you build roads AND the town is allowed to build roads TOO
23:02:57  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> not keeping to the pattern might fuck everything up.
23:03:08  <Stablean> <V453000> you can try yourself, not read wiki :p
23:03:49  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> Absolutely. Some things I try, and some things I read and nod off.
23:04:12  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> Meh. Towns are gonna hate me for felling their trees. XD
23:04:14  <Stablean> <kuch3n> its growing :>
23:08:33  <Stablean> *** eyescream joined the game
23:08:38  <Stablean> <eyescream> hi
23:08:48  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> xD
23:08:50  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> Hello eye :p
23:09:05  <Stablean> <eyescream> hey :P
23:09:43  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> kuch3n
23:09:50  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> You can use the factory there now.
23:09:56  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> I demolished my station, plans changed.
23:13:21  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> xD
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23:17:38  <Stablean> <V453000> eyescream: you really like to terraform, do you :D
23:17:51  <Stablean> <eyescream> yes.
23:18:03  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> xD
23:18:07  <Stablean> <eyescream> i am just trying around a little :P
23:18:15  <Stablean> <eyescream> wasting lots of money in the process
23:18:19  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> Be careful, Terraforming is really costly here.
23:19:22  <Stablean> <V453000> anyway, im off
23:19:22  <Stablean> <V453000> cya
23:19:24  <Stablean> *** V453000 has left the game (leaving)
23:19:32  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> Havfe ... he really is a lightning style quitter.
23:19:34  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> :x
23:19:37  <V453000> :)
23:19:43  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> Have a nice.
23:19:43  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> xD
23:19:46  <Stablean> <eyescream> lol :D
23:19:48  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> That's what I wanted to write. :p
23:20:10  <V453000> yeye, gnight
23:20:24  <Stablean> <eyescream> night :P
23:20:30  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> Bowbow
23:40:34  <Stablean> <kuch3n> In which year did we started
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23:56:24  <Stablean> <kuch3n> Is there a rule for stealing?
23:56:42  <Stablean> <eyescream> no idea

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