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Log for #openttdcoop.stable on 25th August 2010:
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00:00:09  <Stablean> <Energizer> I they make it so that a plane can crash... on a railroad
00:00:15  <Stablean> <Energizer> try to plan around THAT
00:00:19  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> XD
00:00:21  <Stablean> <Energizer> ;D
00:00:33  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> Mout burst rockets on the train
00:00:39  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> driver sees impending crash
00:00:41  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> vroooom
00:00:42  <Stablean> <Big Badger> I enjoyed yhe old UFO landings
00:00:42  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> xD
00:00:51  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> *Mount
00:00:52  <Stablean> <Big Badger> where you couldnt tell where it had fucked up your rail system next
00:01:10  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> That would severely annoy me.
00:01:50  <Stablean> <Mks> I mean if breakdowns should be somewhat fun it should be made so trains won't breakdown at all if you service them at a regular intervall
00:02:06  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> Especially while debugging broken signaling, and then, ages later, I'd discover that some UFO mistook some of my track for a cowfield..
00:02:15  <Stablean> <V453000> OR after some period of time after visiting a depot
00:02:20  <Stablean> <Mks> yeah
00:02:24  <Stablean> <V453000> not that they break down right after leaving it
00:02:25  <Stablean> <V453000> -.-
00:02:41  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> They should always have a chance of breaking down. However, it should be really small.
00:02:49  <Stablean> <V453000> no
00:02:49  <Stablean> <Mks> like 100 days after visiting depot it won't breakdown and then increase % the longer after
00:02:49  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> and/or they should require more frequent servicing when less reliable.
00:02:52  <Stablean> <Mks> or something like that
00:02:54  <Stablean> <V453000> yea
00:03:01  <Stablean> <V453000> but well
00:03:03  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> I am just talking about that reliability should matter.
00:03:09  <Stablean> <V453000> no breakdowns is still best :p
00:03:21  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> I can absolutely live without them. :p
00:03:34  <Stablean> <Big Badger> unloading is faster in this version
00:03:36  <Stablean> <Mks> well sure in theory a train could breakdown after it visited service but its something that normally never happens
00:03:46  <Stablean> <Mks> well served trains hardly ever breakdown
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00:04:00  <Stablean> <kuch3n> not in germany
00:04:07  <Stablean> <Mks> just look at the japanese train network its like 2 mins late on a whole year
00:04:09  <Stablean> <kuch3n> like i told: caused by people
00:04:11  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> But trains that are unreliable should at least require more frequent servicing.
00:04:14  <Stablean> <Mks> that means you have no breakdowns
00:04:25  <Stablean> <Mks> well thats one thing
00:04:49  <Stablean> <V453000> each train could have different intervals of required servicing
00:04:51  <Stablean> <V453000> no problem
00:05:01  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> there should be some penality for choosing a train that can escape a crashing airplane but has a reliability rating of 60% or something.
00:05:11  <Stablean> <kuch3n> The German Train Company told about a engine damage.. 30min later it goes on oO
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00:12:53  <Stablean> <Energizer> im off then guys
00:12:57  <Stablean> <Energizer> good night
00:13:01  <Stablean> <kuch3n> gn8
00:13:01  <Stablean> <V453000> cya
00:13:05  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> See ya
00:13:07  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> Have a nice.
00:13:07  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> =D
00:13:09  <Stablean> <Energizer> bb :P
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00:23:58  <Stablean> <V453000> is that PBS defender still around?
00:24:04  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> xD
00:24:08  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> Yes
00:24:10  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> Big Badger
00:24:16  <Stablean> <V453000> good
00:24:41  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> lol@"that PBS defender" xP
00:24:47  <Stablean> <V453000> my stee pickup should convince him
00:24:49  <Stablean> <V453000> steel
00:25:05  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> well, he said that he used pre signals for stations.
00:25:05  <Stablean> <V453000> and this is only the beginning :)
00:25:19  <Stablean> <V453000> all of these principles are fully usable for lines
00:25:25  <Stablean> <V453000> no difference pretty much
00:25:28  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> I have not had a look at it yet, can't tell. XD
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00:26:02  <Stablean> <V453000> lmao
00:26:04  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> :s
00:35:42  <Stablean> <kuch3n> d3d3, awesome stations....
00:36:04  <Stablean> <V453000> omg
00:36:06  <Stablean> <V453000> :D
00:36:24  <Stablean> <kuch3n> kinda raping
00:40:18  <Stablean> <d3d3> how can i forward all trains with destination in one station to another without go one by one?
00:40:40  <Stablean> <kuch3n> "non-stop" in order menu
00:41:05  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> I think what he's talking about is changing train orders for a group of trains all at once.
00:41:14  <Stablean> <d3d3> i have to add new destination one by one anyway
00:41:16  <Stablean> <d3d3> maybe groups
00:41:18  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> I know it's done with groups, however, I have not done it so far.
00:41:24  <Stablean> <V453000> no
00:41:26  <Stablean> <V453000> shared orders
00:41:32  <Stablean> <d3d3> ah ok
00:41:34  <Stablean> <V453000> ctrl+click while cloning trains
00:41:44  <Stablean> <d3d3> thx
00:41:50  <Stablean> <V453000> or whíle ordering them
00:42:02  <Stablean> <V453000> just ctrl click on other train to share order list with it
00:42:08  <Stablean> <V453000> anytime you change one, others follow
00:42:14  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> Nice
00:42:14  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> =D
00:42:17  <Stablean> <d3d3> :)
00:42:30  <Stablean> <kuch3n> V453000: good to know :D
00:42:35  <Stablean> <kuch3n> make life easier
00:42:39  <Stablean> <V453000> although groups have a bit of a role in it ... shared orders allow also grouping trains by shared orders
00:42:49  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> XD
00:44:59  <Stablean> <V453000> ok
00:44:59  <Stablean> <V453000> im off
00:45:01  <Stablean> <V453000> cya tomorrow
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00:45:07  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> See ya.
00:45:07  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> :o
00:45:17  <Stablean> <kuch3n> noooooooooooooooooooooooooo
00:45:38  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> Need help?
00:45:56  <Stablean> <kuch3n> yea, my lines aint long enough :>
00:46:08  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> Tell early enough if you need money
00:46:16  <Stablean> <kuch3n> k, thanks
00:46:18  <V453000> oh and by the way
00:46:31  <V453000> inform anyone who dares to invade my island that he is potentially DEAD. :P
00:46:42  <Stablean> <kuch3n> which island??
00:46:47  <V453000> ...
00:46:51  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> The island with tons of tracks and stations.
00:46:53  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> XD
00:47:07  <Stablean> <kuch3n> ah
00:47:10  <Stablean> <kuch3n> sarningville
00:47:33  <V453000> gnight already :)
00:47:37  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> Baba
00:47:39  <Stablean> <kuch3n> gn8
00:49:25  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> >_>
00:49:27  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> I told you x_X
00:49:29  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> D:
00:49:41  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> Say something. ;o;
00:49:47  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> Should I buy or leave it?
00:49:57  <Stablean> <kuch3n> buy it then :>
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00:50:03  <Stablean> <kuch3n> :>
00:50:05  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> XD
00:50:07  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> Tycoooooon
00:50:07  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> ;3
00:50:10  <Stablean> <kuch3n> it gives 20k a month :>
00:50:14  <Stablean> <kuch3n> *year
00:50:42  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> xDD@awesome
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01:55:25  <Stablean> <kuch3n> only 8 :)
02:09:20  <Stablean> <kuch3n> fucking entrance exit signals are annoying like hell -.-"
02:38:42  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> o.o
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09:12:21  <Stablean> <V453000> elo
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10:59:33  <Stablean> <Mks> wasn't long you stayed :P
11:01:29  <V453000> :) just founded the steel mill that died due to some jams :p
11:01:36  <Stablean> <Mks> hehe
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11:02:47  <Stablean> <Mks> mm I guess 41 tile bridges and 3 isn't really enough?
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11:04:33  <Stablean> <kaiZen> pink
11:04:39  <Stablean> <kaiZen> why not make double bridges? :o
11:05:13  <Stablean> <Mks> pink isn'
11:05:16  <Stablean> <Mks> online I think
11:05:22  <Stablean> <kaiZen> ahh
11:05:26  <Stablean> <kaiZen> so long bridges
11:05:36  <Stablean> <kaiZen> should allways use double bridges with such a traffic
11:06:18  <Stablean> <Mks> I am using at least 3 briges
11:06:25  <Stablean> <Mks> since well to expensive to make small islands
11:06:43  <Stablean> <kaiZen> well it really depends how long the bridge is
11:06:50  <Stablean> <kaiZen> really tall then ye-make 3 bridges
11:06:56  <Stablean> <kaiZen> long**
11:07:02  <Stablean> <Mks> well my longest is 56 tiles
11:07:12  <Stablean> <kaiZen> ahhh
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11:29:28  <Stablean> <Energizer> hi folks
11:29:47  <Stablean> <Mks> hi
11:30:13  <Stablean> <Energizer> hey mks
11:30:18  <Stablean> <Energizer> youre the only one here?
11:31:21  <Stablean> <Mks> seems so atm
11:31:23  <Stablean> <Mks> at least
11:31:27  <Stablean> <Mks> V was here a while ago
11:36:09  <Stablean> <Mks> why are the newer trams less ppl in thats lousy
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12:44:11  <Stablean> <V453000> hi
12:44:21  <Stablean> <V453000> Player: please change your nickname
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13:02:49  <Stablean> <Mks> V do you know its very easy to spend all your money on this server?
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13:07:19  <Stablean> <V453000> yes
13:07:23  <Stablean> <V453000> :)
13:07:38  <Stablean> <Mks> raise 1 tile in the sea is expensive
13:07:46  <Stablean> <V453000> thats good
13:08:08  <Stablean> <V453000> the map is very islandish, and it is supported by water being more of a borderline
13:10:57  <Stablean> <V453000> you are quite not supposed to build on water btw :p
13:15:09  <Stablean> <Mks> so you mean Ia m not suppose to build long bridges like I have?
13:20:32  <Stablean> <kuch3n> hi
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13:30:16  <Stablean> <V453000> Mks: I find it odd :)
13:30:54  <Stablean> <kuch3n> ure living guys \o/
13:31:04  <Stablean> <Mks> ofc we are playing
13:31:07  <Stablean> <V453000> staying on islands and finding more suitable (shorter) bridgings and such, is better :)
13:31:09  <Stablean> <V453000> hi hi :)
13:31:27  <Stablean> <Mks> well I have one short coal line now
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13:33:03  <Stablean> <kuch3n> Someone got a shot fo rme?
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13:35:08  <Ammler> !server_status
13:35:08  <Stablean> Ammler:  15:35pm  up 6 days  3:23,  2 users,  load average: 0.62, 0.57, 0.55
13:35:09  <Stablean> Ammler: Cpu(s): 10.2% us,  1.7% sy,  6.4% ni, 81.5% id,  0.1% wa,  0.0% hi,  0.0% si
13:35:09  <Stablean> Ammler:  3885 ottdc     26  10  144m  42m 4292 S   20  2.1 954:44.54 ./stable -c openttd
13:35:15  <Ammler> new game?
13:35:17  <Ammler> !date
13:35:17  <Stablean> Ammler: 29 May 1974
13:35:33  <Stablean> <Mks> well not the same as last evening
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13:35:45  <Stablean> <Mks> but lots to do in this one still
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13:35:47  <Stablean> <kuch3n> the last game was pritty nice
13:36:51  <Stablean> <kaiZen> why cross road with railroad?
13:37:37  <Stablean> <Mks> where have that been done?
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13:40:18  <V453000> Ammler: ?
13:42:25  <Ammler> V453000: don't get the question :-)
13:42:35  <V453000> why new game :)
13:42:38  <V453000> I reset yesterday
13:42:44  <V453000> server load doesnt seem to be that high :)
13:43:14  <Stablean> <kuch3n> what are the specs of the server?
13:44:33  <Ammler> V453000: that will change :-)
13:44:45  <V453000> :o ?
13:45:02  <Ammler> the new server won't have a client, which can compate
13:45:11  <V453000> oh :)
13:45:43  <Stablean> <kuch3n> somebodys got a shot for me? :)
13:45:48  <Ammler> kuchen: Intel(R) Core(TM) i7 CPU         920  @ 2.67GHz
13:45:57  <Ammler> (new)
13:46:02  <V453000> shot for wut?
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13:46:19  <V453000> anyway gtg ... post office -.-
13:46:21  <V453000> laters :p
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13:46:44  <Ammler> current: Intel(R) Xeon(TM) CPU 3.20GHz
13:46:45  <Stablean> <kuch3n> w
13:46:51  <Stablean> <kuch3n> financial shot :>
13:47:09  <Stablean> <kuch3n> why gets the server that laggy like yesterday?
13:47:10  <V453000> oh :)
13:47:20  <V453000> vehicles probably
13:47:25  <V453000> road vehicles mainly :)
13:47:29  <Ammler> ps: Intel(R) Core(TM)2 CPU          6600  @ 2.40GHz
13:47:31  <V453000> and big map
13:47:43  <Stablean> <Mks> isn't this map same size tho?
13:47:49  <planetmaker> Ammler, but it's only one CPU ;-) and load is at ~ 1.8
13:47:49  <Stablean> <kuch3n> yes
13:48:12  <planetmaker> currently. All will get better :-P
13:48:25  <Ammler> [15:35] <Stablean> Ammler:  15:35pm  up 6 days  3:23,  2 users,  load average: 0.62, 0.57, 0.55
13:48:39  <planetmaker> oh, was different yesterday when I checked. Same game or new?
13:48:43  <Ammler> yep
13:48:54  <Ammler> they stopped the game because of server
13:49:00  <planetmaker> :-) good
13:49:43  <Ammler> I wonder, how well ht works with openttd
13:49:47  <Stablean> <Mks> so your getting a new server soon?
13:49:59  <Ammler> we have it already
13:50:04  <Stablean> <Mks> ahh but not used?
13:50:09  <Ammler> I just are quite slow with setup :-)
13:50:17  <Stablean> <Mks> I see
13:50:24  <Stablean> <Mks> so within a month then :P
13:50:33  <Ammler> with today?
13:50:38  <Ammler> in*
13:53:45  <Stablean> <kuch3n> is the server compiled with debugging?
13:54:55  <Ammler> don't think so...
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14:01:23  <Stablean> <kuch3n> rating of transport service? oo
14:02:44  <Stablean> <kuch3n> aircraft :D
14:04:14  <Stablean> <kuch3n> Mks, uve got some Money for me? :)
14:04:34  <Stablean> <Mks> I am not really that rich this time
14:04:41  <Stablean> <Mks> you seem to still have some
14:05:19  <Stablean> <kuch3n> faster growing :)
14:15:35  <Stablean> <kuch3n> Saver Transport, go down! -.-2
14:15:38  <Stablean> <kuch3n> Saber*
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14:16:01  <Stablean> <kuch3n> V453000: Can u close down Saber Transport? cant wait to get the mines :>
14:16:13  <Stablean> <V453000> no I cant :)
14:16:38  <Stablean> <V453000> oh he is gone
14:16:40  <Stablean> <V453000> hmm
14:16:43  <Stablean> <V453000> I see
14:17:02  <V453000> !rcon reset_company 9
14:17:03  <Stablean> V453000: Company deleted.
14:17:11  <Stablean> <kuch3n> ty :)
14:34:20  <Stablean> <V453000> Mks: !missing
14:34:40  <Stablean> <Mks> thnx
14:34:42  <Stablean> <V453000> yw
14:35:11  <Stablean> <Mks> the big island town is quite big now
14:35:14  <Stablean> <V453000> :)
14:39:06  <Stablean> <kuch3n> <invalid cargo> ?
14:39:12  <Stablean> <V453000> ignore it
14:39:30  <Stablean> <V453000> it does nothing nor replaces anything
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14:45:08  <Stablean> <Mks> I guess making TL 1 cargo trains ain't very good
14:45:22  <Stablean> <V453000> especially for server
14:45:32  <Stablean> <Mks> lol
14:45:40  <Stablean> <Mks> but your using TL 3 right
14:45:42  <Stablean> <V453000> so it could easily be considered game spoiling
14:45:55  <Stablean> <Mks> wouldn't everyone using TL 20 be the best?
14:46:08  <Stablean> <V453000> TL3 is ideal TL
14:46:11  <Stablean> <Mks> why?
14:46:17  <Stablean> <kuch3n> TL?
14:46:24  <Stablean> <V453000> short curves, fun, good acceleration usually
14:46:37  <Stablean> <kuch3n> what is a TL?
14:46:39  <Stablean> <Mks> whats wrong with TL2?
14:46:42  <Stablean> <Mks> train lenght
14:46:54  <Stablean> <kuch3n> 3 Wagons is ideal?
14:46:54  <planetmaker> 'ideal' assumes a metric which you measure 'good', 'bad' and 'excellent' against
14:47:06  <Stablean> <V453000> wha?
14:47:15  <planetmaker> such metric is anything but not universal
14:47:31  <Stablean> <Mks> no not 3 wagons 3 lenght station tile thats like 1 loco 5 wagons in most cases
14:47:41  <Stablean> <kuch3n> ahh
14:47:44  <planetmaker> As such a discussion of 'ideal' vs 'ideal' is kinda pointless, unless you define before what you want
14:48:19  <planetmaker> money, realism, cargo-throughput, station rating, industry output.
14:48:25  <planetmaker> All have a different answer to TL
14:48:32  <Stablean> <V453000> we were quite talking about cargo trains
14:48:42  <Stablean> <Mks> yeah TL 3 isn't very realistic acually way to short trains
14:48:44  <Stablean> <Mks> maybe for pax
14:48:48  <Stablean> <Mks> but not for cargo
14:48:54  <Stablean> <V453000> realistic = not game
14:49:04  <Stablean> <kuch3n> for short distance TL3, for long TL7
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14:51:09  <Stablean> <jor[D]1> hi
14:51:12  <Stablean> <V453000> hello
14:51:24  <Stablean> <jor[D]1> This maps needs ships :(
14:51:25  <planetmaker> <Stablean> <V453000> we were quite talking about cargo trains <-- so do I
14:51:34  <planetmaker> But there are way more ways to define 'ideal'
14:51:38  <Stablean> <V453000> of course
14:51:44  <Stablean> <kuch3n> Ships \o/
14:51:45  <planetmaker> and TL3 certainly is not THE answer
14:51:55  <planetmaker> nor is TL7 or TL5 or TL20
14:51:57  <planetmaker> but each can
14:56:17  <Stablean> <Mks> well TL20 was for server load
14:56:25  <Stablean> <Mks> means ppl ahve less vehicles probarbly
14:57:57  <planetmaker> It's also the 'ideal' solution, if you want to move much cargo between big stations
14:58:07  <planetmaker> if those trains don't have to wait
14:58:21  <planetmaker> the cargo density on tracks is maximized with long trains
14:58:31  <Stablean> <Mks> ohh
14:58:52  <Stablean> <Mks> but you need dual tracks each direction faster with long trains
14:59:08  <planetmaker> why?
14:59:17  <Stablean> <Mks> well
14:59:55  <Stablean> <Mks> I needed like dual tracks on a coal line with like 130 TL 11 trains
15:00:07  <Stablean> <Mks> or a better station exist
15:00:14  <Stablean> <Mks> trains had to wait at the exit
15:00:17  <planetmaker> and why do you think you wouldn't need that, if you used TL5 on the same thing?
15:00:24  <Stablean> <Mks> well
15:00:27  <Stablean> <Mks> it was a long line
15:00:34  <Stablean> <Mks> so probarbly could have some more small trains
15:00:35  <planetmaker> yes, so?
15:00:55  <planetmaker> I still fail to see any argument why you need more tracks for long trains
15:01:11  <Stablean> <kuch3n> nice city in the water :D
15:01:13  <planetmaker> the only difference is a bigger curve radius and more bulky station entrances and exits
15:01:13  <Stablean> <Mks> well you need more tracks for same amount of trains with long compared to short
15:01:22  <planetmaker> Mks, you don't
15:01:31  <planetmaker> well. Same _amount_ yes
15:01:49  <planetmaker> But you choose your trains depending upon the cargo to be transported.
15:01:56  <planetmaker> And not like "let's build 50 trains"
15:01:57  <Stablean> <kuch3n> planetmaker from where are u talking?
15:02:18  <Stablean> <Mks> he is talking from IRC
15:02:23  <planetmaker> So the assumption that you need earlier double-tracking is right, if you go by the amount of trains. But that's IMHO the wrong scale for 'earlier'
15:02:40  <planetmaker> as the temporal sequence is rather defined by cargo amount to be carried
15:02:51  <Mks> I see
15:03:10  <Mks> so you mean same amount of cargo acually need less tracks per cargo with long trains?
15:03:31  <Stablean> <V453000> sure
15:04:14  <planetmaker> Mks, yes
15:04:42  <Stablean> <Mks> this server only supports TL 18 trains thought
15:04:53  <planetmaker> you can make longer :-P
15:04:59  <Stablean> <Mks> well
15:05:00  <planetmaker> But they'd load for eternity ;-)
15:05:05  <Stablean> <Mks> yeah but station size is max 18
15:05:17  <planetmaker> yup ;-)
15:07:22  <planetmaker> e.g. long coal trains make sense, if you have two big mines close to each other.
15:07:43  <Stablean> <Mks> or you can make a trasnfer station
15:07:46  <planetmaker> or if you play a game with distribution points and small local networks delivering to those distribution points
15:07:50  <planetmaker> yup :-)
15:07:52  <Stablean> <Mks> short trains unload at a large long train station
15:08:51  <Stablean> <jor[D]1> ja?
15:09:01  <Stablean> <V453000> nein
15:09:11  <Stablean> <jor[D]1> oops should be typed into x fire
15:10:18  <Mks> !tunnel
15:10:18  <Stablean> Mks: !tunnel <trainlength> <gap>: Returns amount of tunnels/bridges needed. Formula: (<gap>+<trainlength>-2)/(<trainlength>+2)
15:10:43  <Stablean> <Mks> does the tunnel commando works ingame?
15:10:49  <planetmaker> nope
15:10:54  <Stablean> <Mks> it does
15:11:05  <planetmaker> it does?
15:11:24  <Stablean> <Mks> yeah
15:11:32  <planetmaker> makes me wonder. But fine :-)
15:14:38  <Stablean> <Mks> it shouldn't work?
15:15:41  <planetmaker> It's fine if it works. I thought it didn't, though
15:15:54  <Stablean> <Mks> ahh
15:16:20  <Stablean> <Mks> well thats one bad thing about short TL you need LOADS of tunnels/bridges if you have a long tunnel/bridge
15:16:35  <planetmaker> :-)
15:16:50  <planetmaker> 1TT ;-)
15:16:54  <Stablean> <V453000> hehe
15:17:08  <Stablean> <V453000> there even the shortest tunnels can make trouble
15:17:19  <Stablean> <Mks> yeah
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15:19:14  <Stablean> <Mks> is there anyway to make trains not slow down so much at stations?
15:19:24  <Stablean> <Mks> I mean its no problem with short trains but with long trains
15:19:24  <Stablean> <V453000> ?
15:19:34  <Stablean> <V453000> not really, they always slow
15:19:45  <Stablean> <V453000> but you can provide braking space in front of station
15:19:52  <Stablean> <V453000> so they dont slow others who come into the station
15:19:58  <Stablean> <Mks> yeah but doesn't really solve the problem
15:20:12  <Stablean> <Mks> helps some ofc
15:20:36  <Stablean> <Mks> whats up with Factory Goods pickup btw?
15:20:42  <Stablean> <V453000> what would be
15:20:44  <Stablean> <Mks> seems over complicated that mess
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15:21:00  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> Hello :p
15:21:02  <Stablean> <V453000> fine for me
15:21:02  <Stablean> <V453000> hi
15:21:16  <Stablean> <jor[D]1> hi
15:21:20  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> xD Tram Invasion stopped. :p
15:21:22  <Stablean> <Mks> ohh you've addes some prioritores?
15:21:33  <Stablean> <V453000> not exactly
15:21:36  <Stablean> <V453000> but presignal lines, yes
15:22:03  <Stablean> <Mks> its not exactly a small station :P
15:22:12  <Stablean> <Mks> considering your only using TL 3
15:22:39  <Stablean> <V453000> it is extremely effective
15:23:31  <Stablean> <Mks> ok so I acually found the entrance tracks
15:23:33  <Stablean> <Mks> but
15:23:39  <Stablean> <Mks> I don't get what all the extra tracks are for
15:23:44  <Stablean> <V453000> you dont need to :)
15:24:06  <Stablean> <Mks> mm you have a loop I guess thats if the station is full
15:24:50  <Stablean> <Mks> azir I see your useing your favorite locos
15:25:00  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> Heh
15:25:00  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> xD
15:25:25  <Stablean> <Mks> I acually am using trams this time
15:25:27  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> Well, wouldnt call them "the" favourite locos of mine, but  I sure like them.
15:25:49  <Stablean> <Mks> well you like them well enough to prefer them over better ones :)
15:25:55  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> It's especially cool if you have more than one of them on a train.
15:25:59  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> Yeah, I do.
15:26:01  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> XD
15:26:11  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> They are one of my favourite locos, indeed.
15:27:35  <Stablean> <Mks> why are some trams so sdamn small?
15:27:46  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> sizewise or regarding their look?
15:27:56  <Stablean> <Mks> well I mean capacity
15:28:02  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> I don't know.
15:28:05  <Stablean> <Mks> like a dual tram only holding 16 pax
15:28:07  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> They sure aren't realistic sizes.
15:28:18  <Stablean> <Mks> that doesn't really make sense
15:33:55  <Stablean> <Mks> for example about trams the GETA holds alot more pax then the GVBA even tho the GVBA is bigger
15:34:00  <Stablean> <Mks> sizie wise
15:34:42  <Stablean> <jor[D]1> THe tram isn't called GETA
15:34:52  <Stablean> <V453000> ...
15:34:54  <Stablean> <V453000> we all know what is going on
15:35:01  <Stablean> <jor[D]1> because you may possible get more then one type GETA
15:42:05  <Stablean> <Mks> weöö GETA Beijnes 76 BNS then
15:42:17  <Stablean> <Mks> well
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15:54:15  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> Ack
15:54:21  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> I was just watching him building. XD
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15:58:15  <Stablean> <jor[D]1> Hmm of which company will i use trams HTM GVB or RET (the hague, amsterdam or rotterdam)
15:59:02  <Stablean> <V453000> cant use various?
15:59:43  <Stablean> <jor[D]1> No don't like it when an amsterdam tram runs next to a tram from rotterdam
15:59:57  <Stablean> <V453000> ...
16:01:43  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> People have their own ways of playing the game. Not all of them are better or worse than others. o:
16:02:17  <Stablean> <jor[D]1> Daam Rotterdamse Electrische Tram is too long as company name :(
16:02:21  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> As in, some may be comparable and judgeable, and some are just beyond judgeing.
16:02:56  <Stablean> <jor[D]1> New comapny name !
16:04:31  <Stablean> <V453000> Aziroshin: wtf are you talking about
16:05:02  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> You commented with "..." :p
16:06:35  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> His use of trams is a matter of taste, not "good" or "bad" or anything like that.
16:24:22  <Stablean> <Mks> mm I just wasted all my money on trying to fix the bridges
16:24:30  <Stablean> <Mks> and ended up with not being able to finnish it
16:24:48  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> :<
16:25:02  <Stablean> <V453000> Aziroshin: prepare to buy him ! :D
16:25:12  <Stablean> <Mks> 30 mil pounds in the drain
16:25:14  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> xDD
16:25:20  <Stablean> <Mks> well
16:25:32  <Stablean> <Mks> I have the line compelete just lacking some parts
16:25:51  <Stablean> <V453000> well
16:25:54  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> Well, I'll only buy him if he doesn't object (if he doesn't intend to start in the same area)
16:26:09  <Stablean> <V453000> with the traffic you got you could make 2 bridges each direction and be more than safe
16:26:11  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> Or, well, if he'd be gone and go bankrupt, I'd buy him too. I mean, someone else would build there then and take the space anyway.
16:26:13  <Stablean> <Mks> I won't go bankrupt :P
16:26:33  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> I might also decide to just not buy someone for the map to last longer due ot the free space created.. XD
16:27:29  <Stablean> <Mks> I don't earn enough to TF water really
16:27:44  <Stablean> <V453000> thats good
16:27:50  <Stablean> <Mks> hehe
16:27:52  <Stablean> <Mks> not really :P
16:28:08  <Stablean> <Mks> I prerfer dual bridges over like 4-5
16:28:14  <Stablean> <Mks> looks more slim
16:28:25  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> V already stated that the water in this game is more of a seperator.
16:28:35  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> As in, in this one game here with the islands and stuff.
16:28:37  <Stablean> <Mks> yeah I know
16:28:45  <Stablean> <Mks> but
16:28:55  <Stablean> <Mks> I am still gona cross the water :P
16:29:05  <Stablean> <V453000> then you have bad positioning and it is your problem :)
16:29:07  <Stablean> <Mks> well at least with the line I've alrdy built
16:29:41  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> I like stolen trees. =D
16:30:07  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> Whoever stole them stole pretty good trees. =3
16:30:09  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> xD
16:40:09  <Stablean> <Mks> how are we suppose to connect oil rigs?
16:40:18  <Stablean> <Mks> with insane land cost raise and no boats
16:40:33  <Stablean> <V453000> you arent required to connect them btw
16:40:47  <Stablean> <Mks> I know :)
16:41:13  <Stablean> <Mks> gah probarbly need another 50 mil pounds to finnish my "new" bridge
16:44:59  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> Finally, MKs has something to spend his ridiculous amounts of money on.
16:44:59  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> XD
16:45:09  <Stablean> <Mks> well
16:45:14  <Stablean> <Mks> I think V have more money then me
16:46:08  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> Well, he has less money than what you sunk into some bridge. XD
16:46:37  <Stablean> <Mks> true he do earn more then me thought
16:47:06  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> Reminds me that I do have quite some money too, now.
16:47:08  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> XD
16:47:18  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> In comparison to what I had before I went to sleep.
16:47:26  <Stablean> <Mks> you can help me with my bridge :P
16:47:50  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> wow, nice town
16:47:50  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> =D
16:48:06  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> Don't tell me you terraformed this town out of the water. XD
16:48:20  <Stablean> <Mks> you mean fort wefingbridge?
16:48:25  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> Yes
16:48:35  <Stablean> <Mks> naa the island was alrdy there
16:48:37  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> Okay. XD
16:48:39  <Stablean> <Mks> only added roads
16:48:50  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> xD
16:48:52  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> The tram bridges.
16:48:54  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> Nice.
16:49:00  <Stablean> <jor[D]1> You should connect it to th emainland at WArningbridge
16:49:08  <Stablean> <jor[D]1> warninghead srry
16:49:08  <Stablean> <Mks> no
16:49:16  <Stablean> <Mks> I disconnected it from land
16:49:22  <Stablean> <Mks> used to be connected
16:49:22  <Stablean> <Mks> but
16:49:28  <Stablean> <Mks> didn't want that :)
16:49:41  <Stablean> <jor[D]1> WArninghead funny name
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16:55:51  <Stablean> <Henri> ji
16:55:51  <Stablean> <V453000> elo
16:56:05  <Stablean> <Henri> hi*
16:56:11  <Stablean> <V453000> gi
17:00:47  <Stablean> *** Henri has left the game (leaving)
17:06:24  <Stablean> <V453000> hmm im off to get something to eat :)
17:06:26  <Stablean> <V453000> later
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17:06:35  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> Later. :o
17:06:38  <Stablean> <Mks> gah
17:06:52  <Stablean> <Mks> wasted a few millions clikcing the wrong place
17:07:16  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> x_X
17:07:51  <Stablean> <Mks> I hate these slow bridges
17:07:59  <Stablean> <Mks> trains go twice as fast as the bridge now
17:08:05  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> xD
17:08:09  <Stablean> <Mks> its tobad you can't build tunnels under the water
17:08:24  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> My trains go 72 at max.
17:08:24  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> =D
17:08:49  <Stablean> <Mks> hehe
17:08:51  <Stablean> <Mks> well
17:08:53  <Stablean> <Mks> at that speed
17:08:57  <Stablean> <Mks> nothing matters
17:09:07  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> Depends
17:09:09  <Stablean> <Mks> even 45 degree turns
17:09:11  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> Wood bridges 'd be too slow.XD
17:09:26  <Stablean> <Mks> there is 88km/h
17:09:28  <Stablean> <Mks> if train is to long
17:09:32  <Stablean> <Mks> true
17:09:40  <Stablean> <Mks> thats what I had in the begining
17:09:46  <Stablean> <Mks> sure was slow :)
17:10:18  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> One thing that matters with tram engines is their power
17:10:28  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> With more than a few wagons, you need more tram engines per train. =D
17:10:34  <Stablean> <Mks> hehe
17:10:39  <Stablean> <Mks> well
17:10:49  <Stablean> <Mks> you can have more locos on anormal train as well
17:10:54  <Stablean> <Mks> I use 2 on my long coal trains
17:10:59  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> Of course you can
17:11:29  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> But where you need two, you need three/four tram engines.
17:12:21  <Stablean> <Mks> well I had 4 locos in the las game
17:13:01  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> Out of fun or because you needed them?
17:13:11  <Stablean> <Mks> well needed
17:13:25  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> Then you'd have needed like 6-8 tram engines instead. XD
17:13:39  <Stablean> <Mks> haha
17:13:52  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> That would be awesome. =D
17:14:04  <Stablean> <Mks> + the tram engine wouldn't reach its destination until it die from old age :P
17:14:10  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> XD
17:20:36  <Stablean> <V453000> rawr
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17:20:42  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> o.o
17:24:57  <Stablean> <Mks> I got a tram coal line now
17:25:00  <Stablean> <Mks> using 6 locos
17:25:02  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> XD
17:25:04  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> Where?
17:25:10  <Stablean> <Mks> Hanway
17:26:02  <Stablean> <Mks> not sure how many locos I needed but added 6
17:26:27  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> my quad engines go at max speed
17:26:43  <Stablean> <Mks> yeah I will check it out
17:26:47  <Stablean> <Mks> it did go max speed empy
17:26:49  <Stablean> <Mks> empty
17:27:17  <Stablean> <Mks> could change the heavy cargo factor to like 10
17:27:17  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> Just check out mine
17:27:19  <Stablean> <Mks> then
17:27:26  <Stablean> <Mks> probarbly wouldn't work at all with tram loco :P
17:27:42  <Stablean> <Mks> mm
17:27:52  <Stablean> <Mks> you like old signals as well?
17:27:58  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> Heh
17:27:58  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> xD
17:28:20  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> go look at the xD sign
17:28:20  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> ;)
17:28:42  <Stablean> <Mks> 1 loco 1 wagon huh
17:28:56  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> There are two locos with one wagon each
17:29:00  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> transfering coal
17:29:02  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> XD
17:29:04  <Stablean> <Mks> haha
17:29:16  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> On two respective lines over a wooden bridge.
17:29:30  <Stablean> <Mks> why not replace the wooden bridge?
17:29:44  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> When I built it, there were other bridges available already.
17:29:51  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> I never used the wooden bridge, not even in the beginning.
17:29:57  <Stablean> <Mks> ohh
17:29:57  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> It's just, the line is so short
17:30:03  <Stablean> <Mks> still
17:30:06  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> The engine wouldn't even get up to speed.
17:30:12  <Stablean> <Mks> ohh
17:30:16  <Stablean> <Mks> not even with 2 locos?
17:30:29  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> Well, I did one wagon because there isnt much space. XD
17:30:39  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> Also, the trains already are producing losses.
17:30:47  <Stablean> <Mks> hehe
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17:35:33  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> See ya later. :o
17:35:41  <Stablean> <V453000> cya
17:35:43  <Stablean> <Mks> cya
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17:37:46  <Stablean> <Mks> will there ever be under ground building ?
17:37:50  <Stablean> <Mks> like there is in locomotion?
17:38:05  <Stablean> <V453000> ?
17:38:19  <Stablean> <Mks> well
17:38:28  <Stablean> <Mks> ever played locomotion?
17:38:33  <Stablean> <V453000> no
17:38:39  <Stablean> <V453000> you mean like in RCT?
17:38:46  <Stablean> <Mks> yes
17:38:52  <Stablean> <Mks> it works the same in locomotion
17:38:52  <Stablean> <V453000> why would you ever need that here :)
17:38:57  <Stablean> <Mks> well
17:39:09  <Stablean> <Mks> fun to build the lines underground :)
17:39:15  <Stablean> <V453000> ...
17:39:19  <Stablean> <Mks> you can make turns and stuff in tunnels
17:39:25  <Stablean> <Mks> or go up and down
17:39:43  <Aziroshin> Build metros =D
17:39:51  <Stablean> <Mks> yeah
17:40:01  <Stablean> <Mks> I mean locomotion has nice looking trains and stuff
17:40:10  <Stablean> <V453000> I dont think that will ever be in openttd and to be honest I would consider it bad
17:40:10  <Stablean> <Mks> but its really lousy to build stuff
17:43:04  <planetmaker> @calc 2.2*365 / 60
17:43:04  <Webster> planetmaker: 13.3833333333
17:47:51  <V453000> minutes /year?
17:51:25  <planetmaker> jo
17:51:29  <Stablean> <V453000> :)
17:51:50  <planetmaker> @calc 74*0.03 * 365 / 60
17:51:50  <Webster> planetmaker: 13.505
17:51:55  <planetmaker> more acurate actually :-)
17:51:58  <V453000> hehe
17:52:00  <planetmaker> @calc 72*0.03 * 365 / 60
17:52:00  <Webster> planetmaker: 13.14
17:52:03  <planetmaker> hm.
17:52:08  <planetmaker> not sure which :-)
17:52:10  <planetmaker> I think 74
17:52:12  <V453000> :)
17:52:22  <V453000> about 4 years per hour anyway :)
17:52:33  <planetmaker> :-) that's what I usually go by, too
17:53:44  <Stablean> <jor[D]1> Who wants to raise one tile of 1 mil?
17:54:02  <Stablean> <V453000> ?
17:54:04  <Stablean> <Mks> hehe I've raised ALOT of tiles
17:54:14  <Stablean> <jor[D]1> I need a tile to put on my station
17:54:29  <Stablean> <jor[D]1> but it's to expensive to terrafrom for me
17:54:42  <Stablean> <Mks> for me to I don't have any money left
17:54:56  <Stablean> <V453000> correct station?
17:55:10  <Stablean> <jor[D]1> ?
17:55:14  <Stablean> <jor[D]1> yes ty
17:55:16  <Stablean> <V453000> ok
17:55:18  <Stablean> <V453000> :)
17:55:18  <Stablean> <V453000> yw
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17:57:26  <Stablean> <Tepo> hi guys
17:57:36  <Stablean> <Mks> hi
17:57:38  <Stablean> <V453000> hi
17:58:05  <Stablean> <Tepo> wow, great network V453000 ;)
17:58:08  <Stablean> <V453000> :)
17:58:10  <Stablean> <V453000> not yet
17:58:35  <Stablean> <Tepo> going to expand away?
17:58:38  <Stablean> <V453000> no why
17:59:00  <Stablean> <Tepo> cause that island is not so big
17:59:06  <Stablean> <V453000> well thats the fun
17:59:24  <Stablean> <Tepo> anyway, i can't build as good network as this, so :)
17:59:36  <Stablean> <Mks> why not?
17:59:48  <Stablean> <Tepo> i am not skilled enough
18:00:04  <Stablean> <Tepo> and i don't want too ;)
18:00:25  <Stablean> <Tepo> i prefer simple playing style
18:00:35  <Stablean> <V453000> this is simple
18:00:49  <Stablean> <Tepo> i don't think so ;)
18:01:04  <Stablean> <Tepo> that bridges near factory looks cool ;)
18:01:12  <Stablean> <V453000> he
18:01:30  <Stablean> <Mks> yeah I wouldn't call Vs network simple
18:01:31  <Stablean> <Tepo> for example they're not simple
18:02:04  <Stablean> <V453000> the principle is simple
18:02:10  <Stablean> <V453000> application is worse :p
18:02:18  <Stablean> <Tepo> thats what i mean
18:02:52  <Stablean> <Tepo> for example white network is simple ;)
18:03:02  <Stablean> <V453000> meh
18:03:08  <Stablean> <Tepo> even there are not so much trains
18:03:22  <Stablean> <Tepo> it looks a bit more realistic
18:03:38  <Stablean> <jor[D]1> My network is simple
18:03:51  <Stablean> <jor[D]1> Due to it's small
18:04:23  <Stablean> <Tepo> i like middle ones more than big ones ;)
18:04:41  <Stablean> <jor[D]1> I like one track diesel ones with samll train and stations
18:04:53  <Stablean> <jor[D]1> passenger offcourse
18:04:57  <Stablean> <Mks> my network is really simple
18:05:49  <Stablean> <jor[D]1> I once made a very realistic track by incident it folowed nature perfectly and looked sooo cute
18:06:11  <Stablean> <jor[D]1> with a few old small stone bridges
18:06:24  <Stablean> <V453000> the day people stop using the fucking word realistic in computer gaming will be my new birthday
18:06:28  <Stablean> <V453000> :)
18:06:35  <Stablean> <Mks> rails usually don't follow landscape that much in reality
18:06:47  <Stablean> <Mks> more like cut right through it
18:06:49  <Stablean> <jor[D]1> In mountains they do
18:06:57  <Stablean> <Mks> well tunnels
18:07:07  <Stablean> <jor[D]1> Especialy small singletrack railroads
18:07:21  <Stablean> <Mks> yeah there are some that follow somewhat
18:07:26  <Stablean> <Mks> but not 2 way high speed tracks
18:07:52  <Stablean> <jor[D]1> no, but the small single lines look so cute somtimes
18:08:39  <Stablean> <Tepo> realistic, realistic, realistic, realistic, realistic :
18:08:44  <Stablean> <Tepo> :)
18:09:08  <Stablean> <jor[D]1> Realims+TTD=WTF
18:09:24  <Stablean> <Mks> will we ever get signals on bridges and in tunnels?
18:09:26  <Stablean> <Tepo> this tunnel is epic fail :D
18:09:33  <Stablean> <V453000> Mks: hopefully not
18:09:39  <Stablean> <Mks> why not
18:09:43  <Stablean> <V453000> would suck ass
18:09:45  <Stablean> <jor[D]1> You got a Signals in tunnels GRF
18:09:47  <Stablean> <Mks> why?
18:09:53  <Stablean> <V453000> this is more fun
18:10:07  <Stablean> <jor[D]1> I would love underwater tunnels
18:10:28  <Stablean> <Mks> yeah that would be neat
18:10:34  <Stablean> <Tepo> trajects :D
18:10:45  <Stablean> <Mks> well I don't think things would change that much if we had signals in tunnels and bridges
18:10:47  <Stablean> <Tepo> or ferrys
18:10:53  <Stablean> <Mks> ppl would prolly use tunnels a bit more
18:11:07  <Stablean> <Mks> ohh ferrys would be neat
18:11:27  <Stablean> <Tepo> ppl will use tunnel, not cutting down a mountains :)
18:11:34  <Stablean> <Mks> yeah
18:11:37  <Stablean> <V453000> I actually think that signals on bridges would be a huge hit to gameplay
18:11:39  <Stablean> <V453000> a bad hit
18:11:47  <Stablean> <jor[D]1> why?
18:11:49  <Stablean> <Mks> ohh why is that?
18:12:05  <Stablean> <V453000> I like to demonstrate it on PBS
18:12:15  <Stablean> <Mks> ok
18:12:23  <Stablean> <jor[D]1> PBS?
18:12:26  <Stablean> <Mks> where?
18:12:40  <Stablean> <V453000> until people used block signals, they understood how signals work, they knew that crossing tracks is bad
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18:13:02  <Stablean> <jor[D]1> Does onyone everplayed the NDS version of oTTD?
18:13:17  <Stablean> <V453000> these days, newbies just place PBS everywhere, have no idea of signal blocks, and cross tracks ust for the hell of it and believe they do it the best posiible way
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18:13:27  <Stablean> <eyescream> hi
18:13:29  <Stablean> <V453000> and with the signals on bridges, it would be similar
18:13:49  <Stablean> <V453000> hi cream
18:13:52  <Stablean> <Tepo> hey
18:14:08  <Stablean> <eyescream> lol V, you expanded quite a bit there
18:14:18  <Stablean> <V453000> :)
18:14:30  <Stablean> <Mks> I don't see really how adding signlas on bridges would change anything
18:14:41  <planetmaker> no need to double tracks there
18:14:46  <Stablean> <V453000> yea
18:14:48  <Stablean> <Mks> I mean newbies always use 1 bridge anyway
18:14:50  <Stablean> <V453000> that would be imo bad :)
18:14:51  <Ammler> I would prefer custom bridge heads
18:15:01  <planetmaker> I would prefer both tbh
18:15:21  <Stablean> <Mks> custom bridge head?? whats that
18:15:38  <Ammler> @wiki ttdp
18:15:39  <planetmaker> No signals on bridges is a kinda random limitation w/o good gameplay reasons
18:15:40  <Webster> TTDPatch - #openttdcoop Wiki - http://wiki.openttdcoop.org/Special:Search?go=Go&search=ttdp
18:15:44  <Ammler> see screens there
18:16:32  <Ammler> well, one is enhanced tunnel entries
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18:16:40  <Ammler> also a nice feature :-)
18:16:47  <Stablean> <jor[D]1> Why are boats off?
18:16:58  <planetmaker> too expensive
18:16:59  <Stablean> <V453000> because they lag, and suck :)
18:17:05  <Stablean> <jor[D]1> ;(
18:17:11  <Stablean> <jor[D]1> like boats
18:17:16  <planetmaker> so do I.
18:17:32  <planetmaker> But most people don't know how to use buoys and as such make the game too heavy on the CPU
18:17:50  <planetmaker> as such no boats on this server. Or only very few
18:18:10  <Stablean> <V453000> none. :)
18:18:20  <Ammler> !rcon set max_ships 1
18:18:22  <Ammler> :-)
18:18:24  <planetmaker> yeah, this one. But one could ^
18:18:32  <planetmaker> :-) you did what I wanted to propose ;-)
18:18:41  <Stablean> <Mks> ahh yeas that kinda of bridge and tunnel would be nice
18:18:50  <Ammler> that does at least enable the gui
18:19:05  <planetmaker> how... useful ;-)
18:19:13  <Ammler> and someone would build a lot docks, cananals etc until he founds out, oh no ships :-)
18:19:31  <planetmaker> :-P
18:19:35  <Stablean> <V453000> punishment for trying to lag the srver :p
18:21:22  <Stablean> <Tepo> sometimes is nice to have a dock in your station even it's not used :)
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18:21:34  <Stablean> <V453000> true :)
18:21:45  <Stablean> <Tepo> thanks ammler :)
18:21:49  <Stablean> <Energizer> hi guise
18:21:53  <Stablean> <Tepo> hey energizer
18:22:01  <Stablean> <eyescream> hi
18:22:03  <Stablean> <Tepo> something broken on your track ;)
18:22:05  <Stablean> <jor[D]1> Tram crashed :(
18:22:20  <Stablean> <Energizer> yeah I know my current track is a disaster
18:23:07  <Stablean> <Tepo> yeah, and i have deactivated my FB profile
18:23:15  <Stablean> <Tepo> :)
18:23:17  <Stablean> <V453000> welcome among the normal people :)
18:23:26  <Stablean> <Tepo> FB sucks
18:23:45  <Stablean> <Tepo> just time-killing :D
18:23:54  <Stablean> <V453000> brain-killing rather
18:24:51  <Stablean> <Tepo> better make 70 **KLIKŮ** (sorry, i don't know how is it in english, maybe cranks?) than be joined on that
18:25:05  <Stablean> <V453000> push-ups?
18:25:07  <Stablean> <V453000> no sure
18:25:11  <Stablean> <Tepo> maybe
18:26:33  <Stablean> <Tepo> that's that arms strengthening technique when you are pushing you up by them while you are almost lying on the ground :)
18:26:53  <Stablean> <V453000> usually "already lying on the ground :P :D"
18:27:05  <Stablean> <Tepo> that's bad
18:27:15  <Stablean> <Tepo> i am going to make another 50 right now :P
18:28:04  <Stablean> <Tepo> whoa, cool
18:28:27  <Stablean> <Tepo> energizer's destroing his network :)
18:28:31  <Stablean> <Energizer> yes
18:28:33  <Stablean> <Energizer> im raging
18:28:35  <Stablean> <Energizer> at it
18:28:35  <Stablean> <V453000> :o
18:28:44  <Stablean> <Tepo> wanna delete a company?
18:28:46  <Stablean> <Tepo> :D
18:28:48  <Stablean> <Energizer> no
18:28:48  <Stablean> <Energizer> it has
18:28:50  <Stablean> <Energizer> 4.9m
18:29:00  <Stablean> <Energizer> so I just cba to start a new one
18:29:12  <Stablean> <Tepo> at least i can overtake your coal resources :)
18:29:18  <Stablean> <Energizer> ill just remake my network
18:29:25  <Stablean> <Energizer> with the same stations
18:29:32  <Stablean> <Energizer> cause the previous one was one big clusterfuck
18:29:35  <Stablean> <Tepo> sure, i was just joking
18:29:45  <Stablean> <Energizer> heh
18:29:56  <Stablean> <V453000> clusterfuck :D
18:29:59  <Stablean> <V453000> awsome word :D
18:30:05  <Stablean> <Tepo> :D
18:30:11  <Stablean> <Energizer> :D
18:30:31  <Stablean> <eyescream> lol the amount of bridges again :D
18:32:00  <Stablean> <jor[D]1> huh cantilever bridge has a glitch
18:32:11  <Stablean> <Tepo> what do you mean?
18:32:41  <Stablean> <jor[D]1> The bridge is not looking right
18:32:53  <Stablean> <Tepo> opengfx?
18:32:59  <Stablean> <jor[D]1> ?
18:32:59  <Stablean> <V453000> road bridges may look odd with opengfx
18:33:01  <Stablean> <V453000> ye
18:33:11  <Stablean> <jor[D]1> It always looke dgood before?
18:33:13  <Stablean> <Tepo> i am using original
18:33:23  <Stablean> <Tepo> it looks okay there
18:43:36  <Stablean> <Tepo> oh my god
18:43:44  <Stablean> <Tepo> a mamoth track
18:44:08  <Stablean> <Tepo> joining into one line :D
18:44:34  <Stablean> <V453000> _OOOO
18:44:49  <Stablean> <eyescream> lol :D
18:45:02  <Stablean> <Tepo> + that curves
18:45:18  <Stablean> <V453000> tell him how to do it better :p
18:45:30  <Stablean> <Tepo> and i tought i've seen everything
18:45:36  <Stablean> <V453000> Mks: new bridges
18:45:40  <Stablean> <Tepo> Energizer?
18:45:45  <Stablean> <Energizer> yeah?
18:45:58  <Stablean> <Tepo> do you know, you are using really small curve radius?
18:46:10  <Stablean> <Energizer> you mean
18:46:12  <Stablean> <Energizer> near the station?
18:46:15  <Stablean> <Tepo> yeah
18:46:19  <Stablean> <Energizer> I know
18:46:23  <Stablean> <Energizer> but I figured it doesnt matter cause
18:46:33  <Stablean> <Tepo> and that track isn't okay too ;)
18:46:33  <Stablean> <Energizer> it's near the station, train is coming to a stop soon anyway
18:46:50  <Stablean> <Energizer> whats important is that the rest of the track is all straight
18:46:52  <Stablean> <Tepo> i mean southeast from a station
18:47:00  <Stablean> <Energizer> yeah
18:47:12  <Stablean> <Tepo> cause trains are going on the right
18:47:26  <Stablean> <Tepo> so they'll go away from the station there
18:47:34  <Stablean> <Energizer> what do you mean?
18:47:44  <Stablean> <Energizer> yeah
18:47:46  <Stablean> <Energizer> and?
18:48:05  <Stablean> <Tepo> this way
18:48:19  <Stablean> <Tepo> so trains will don't slow down there
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18:49:02  <Stablean> <Tepo> he umbraged :D
18:50:19  <Stablean> <Tepo> at least trains get serviced there :)
18:50:39  <Stablean> *** Energizer has left the game (connection lost)
18:51:09  <Stablean> <eyescream> he got disconnected again
18:51:28  <Stablean> <Tepo> someone already using that only possible ship :)
18:53:02  <Stablean> <Tepo> A1 is really long :D
18:53:06  <Stablean> <jor[D]1> :P
18:54:16  <Stablean> <Mks> oo
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19:01:15  <Stablean> <Mks> its tobad the tubular bridges don't really look that good
19:01:39  <Stablean> <V453000> I like how they look
19:01:41  <Stablean> <eyescream> same
19:01:44  <Stablean> <Tepo> me too
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19:20:21  <Stablean> <Tepo> i think tollbooth can be good feature
19:20:39  <Stablean> <Tepo> taking money from another company's RVs for using your roads
19:20:49  <Stablean> <V453000> IS ...
19:21:11  <Stablean> <Tepo> but only somewhere, not everywhere
19:21:27  <Stablean> <V453000> he
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19:21:46  <Stablean> <Tepo> it will be more realistic :P :D
19:21:50  <Stablean> <V453000> ......
19:22:47  <Stablean> <eyescream> V, can you look at my signal "!here" please?
19:22:51  <Stablean> <Tepo> and what's the reason why is not IS or CD implemented in stable? :D
19:23:15  <Stablean> <eyescream> why did you build the entry signals there?
19:23:18  <Stablean> <V453000> CD? ZOWMRFG
19:23:26  <Stablean> <V453000> eyescream: comboes
19:23:31  <Vitus> CD is still unfinished, IS has some serious unsolveable problems
19:23:38  <Stablean> <eyescream> oh, right
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19:23:50  <Stablean> <Tepo> Vitus: thanks :)
19:23:50  <Stablean> <V453000> as Vitus said
19:23:58  <Stablean> <Energizer> sup guise
19:24:04  <Stablean> <V453000> hi
19:24:10  <Stablean> <Energizer> am back :D
19:24:12  <Stablean> <Tepo> wb :)
19:24:19  <Stablean> <eyescream> wb :P
19:24:57  <Stablean> <eyescream> so, anyway, why did you build them that way?
19:25:07  <Stablean> <eyescream> i thought they would give priority to some line
19:25:13  <Stablean> <V453000> in order to make trains give way to other trains
19:25:15  <Stablean> <V453000> yes they would
19:25:23  <Stablean> <V453000> trains coming from the depot give way to the incoming trains
19:25:59  <Stablean> <eyescream> ah, going to have to take a closer look at that again then, thanks
19:26:22  <Stablean> <eyescream> i haven't bothered with such advanced setups yet, only saw some of that in the openttd wiki
19:26:36  <Stablean> <Energizer> aww tepo man
19:26:42  <Stablean> <Energizer> I wanted to use that coal mine
19:26:44  <Stablean> <Energizer> oh well
19:26:44  <Stablean> <eyescream> ah, now i saw it, great
19:28:37  <Stablean> <eyescream> it's not that complicated after all.
19:28:51  <Stablean> <V453000> quite :)
19:29:18  <Stablean> <Tepo> but you said it's simple ;)
19:29:32  <Stablean> <V453000> isnt it
19:33:04  <Stablean> <V453000> wtf dude ...
19:33:20  <Stablean> <Tepo> nothing, nothing :)
19:41:18  <Stablean> <V453000> epic win
19:41:57  <Stablean> <V453000> hi
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19:42:14  <Stablean> <DayDreamer> hi
19:42:34  <Stablean> <Tepo> V: your trains remembers me ants
19:42:38  <Stablean> <Tepo> hey bro
19:42:54  <Stablean> <eyescream> hey
19:43:12  <Stablean> <DayDreamer> hou
19:43:42  <Stablean> <Tepo> dwarfs go :D
19:43:51  <Stablean> <V453000> omg :o
19:43:57  <Stablean> <Tepo> :DDDD
19:44:16  <Stablean> <Tepo> hysterics :DDDD
19:54:24  <Stablean> <Tepo> have to go, good night all
19:54:30  <Stablean> <V453000> cya
19:54:32  <Stablean> <eyescream> :o night
19:54:44  <Stablean> <Tepo> yes, 9:54 PM ;)
19:55:10  <Stablean> <eyescream> early evening!
19:55:12  <Stablean> <eyescream> :P
19:55:23  <Stablean> <Tepo> night will be after ;)
19:55:36  <Stablean> <Tepo> anyway, see ya
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20:01:41  <Stablean> <V453000> eyescream: self blocking signal !there
20:01:53  <Stablean> <eyescream> oh lol :D
20:01:56  <Stablean> <eyescream> thanks :P
20:02:00  <Stablean> <V453000> yw
20:02:06  <Stablean> <eyescream> i am not really paying attention
20:02:12  <Stablean> <eyescream> i am just experimenting around in some parts
20:02:17  <Stablean> <V453000> :)
20:02:31  <Stablean> <eyescream> i've been changing things around and around to see what works nicely for me and stuff
20:02:49  <Stablean> <eyescream> i have some major flaws in this system that i am too lazy to fix :P
20:02:55  <Stablean> <V453000> :)
20:02:57  <Stablean> <eyescream> waiting for the next game to build something 'real' again
20:03:13  <Stablean> <eyescream> i spent most of the time following everyone else's tracks :P
20:03:23  <Stablean> <V453000> honestly, if you see flaws in your network and it will make you build better next time, you can call it a great game :)
20:04:02  <Stablean> <eyescream> true, i've learnd quite a few things this game
20:04:20  <Stablean> <eyescream> can you check out my !here sign?
20:04:44  <Stablean> <eyescream> i have 2 questions
20:04:50  <Stablean> <eyescream> or well, one
20:04:56  <Stablean> <V453000> ask away :)
20:05:15  <Stablean> <eyescream> i usually just put path signals so more than one train can pass between the signals there
20:05:41  <Stablean> <eyescream> but seeing as that sometimes causes problems i'd much rather use normal signals
20:05:52  <Stablean> <V453000> ok :)
20:05:54  <Stablean> <eyescream> and my actual question is
20:06:04  <Stablean> <eyescream> what's the best way to do such a station?
20:06:08  <Stablean> <eyescream> with bridges and tunnels?
20:06:10  <Stablean> <V453000> there are many
20:06:12  <Stablean> <V453000> I will show you
20:06:14  <Stablean> <Mks> PBS :P
20:06:16  <Stablean> <V453000> come to !sandbox
20:06:30  <Stablean> <eyescream> i've tried something similar last game with bridges and tunnels
20:06:33  <Stablean> <eyescream> and 4 tracks
20:06:39  <Stablean> <eyescream> that seemed to work okay
20:07:25  <Stablean> <eyescream> and roro!
20:08:17  <Stablean> <eyescream> that's what i tried last game
20:08:41  <Stablean> <eyescream> that worked well once i had a lot of trains going there
20:09:19  <Stablean> <V453000> this is basically a very good way how to do it
20:09:27  <Stablean> <V453000> then there is for example a bit more special like this :
20:09:31  <Stablean> <Mks> I still would use PBS for that kinda of station
20:11:09  <Stablean> <eyescream> that one is cool
20:11:15  <Stablean> <V453000> definitely
20:13:59  <Stablean> <Mks> that many tracks on a roro with that kinda of of entrance might cause problem
20:14:05  <Stablean> <V453000> exactly
20:14:21  <Stablean> <Mks> I think 4 is max with that kinda of roro or similar looking
20:14:49  <Stablean> <V453000> well
20:14:51  <Stablean> <V453000> kind of
20:15:23  <Stablean> <Mks> well 5 might work but to many and it ends up not filling the station at least if its a drop off station
20:15:35  <Stablean> <Mks> a loading station might work
20:16:51  <Stablean> <eyescream> and the exit signal before that too
20:16:55  <Stablean> <V453000> why
20:17:01  <Stablean> <V453000> this way you got there waiting bays
20:17:12  <Stablean> <eyescream> ah okay
20:17:38  <Stablean> <V453000> so it works this way
20:18:19  <Stablean> <V453000> clear? :)
20:18:22  <Stablean> <eyescream> now it makes perfect sense, yes
20:18:24  <Stablean> <eyescream> thanks :D
20:18:26  <Stablean> <V453000> yw
20:18:36  <Stablean> <Mks> the kinda of terminus where trains won't cross that will take ALOT of space if you have long trains
20:19:04  <Stablean> <V453000> all stations will take a lot of space if built properly for long trains
20:19:12  <Stablean> <Mks> well true
20:19:18  <Stablean> <Mks> but there are still diffrences
20:19:34  <Stablean> <Mks> simple terminus is least space taking
20:19:57  <Stablean> <V453000> also least throughput worthy :)
20:20:07  <Stablean> <V453000> you need to adjust network to your needs :)
20:20:09  <Stablean> <V453000> as always :)
20:20:15  <Stablean> <eyescream> how do you get something to grow quickly?
20:20:30  <Stablean> <eyescream> do you build 2+ platforms right away with smaller trains and then later expand?
20:20:43  <Stablean> <eyescream> i usually start by putting 2 platforms next to a coal mine
20:20:46  <Stablean> <V453000> oh
20:20:49  <Stablean> <eyescream> and then i add more trains
20:20:52  <Stablean> <V453000> well depends what station it is of course
20:20:54  <Stablean> <eyescream> as needed
20:21:00  <Stablean> <eyescream> but sometimes it just doesn't grow
20:21:15  <Stablean> <V453000> at this moment I dont have more than 3 platforms per primary industry (mines, forests, farms,...)
20:21:21  <Stablean> <V453000> oh
20:21:27  <Stablean> <V453000> that is quite random
20:21:33  <Stablean> <V453000> but you need to service it properly
20:21:46  <Stablean> <eyescream> yeah i read up on that on the wiki
20:21:46  <Stablean> <V453000> best is if there is always a train loading
20:21:58  <Stablean> <eyescream> last game i had a couple of woods that ended up dying on me
20:22:04  <Stablean> <V453000> :O
20:22:06  <Stablean> <eyescream> first they were fine, then in the end
20:22:16  <Stablean> <eyescream> i had 3 trains waiting to load (2 platforms)
20:22:22  <Stablean> <eyescream> and it never grew
20:22:34  <Stablean> <Mks> almost all grows eventually
20:22:37  <Stablean> <Mks> more or less tho
20:22:43  <Stablean> <V453000> bad luck :)
20:22:43  <Stablean> <Mks> if you service em enough
20:22:53  <Stablean> <eyescream> yeah i seem to have had quite bad luck with that particular forest
20:23:05  <Stablean> <Mks> mm V why do you have 2 locos on TL 3?
20:23:11  <Stablean> <Mks> it can't really be needed?
20:23:15  <Stablean> <V453000> it is
20:23:25  <Stablean> <V453000> better acceleration
20:23:27  <Stablean> <V453000> way better
20:23:29  <Stablean> <Mks> well true
20:23:31  <Stablean> <Mks> but still
20:24:08  <Stablean> <Mks> you mean acceleration is to lousy with just 1 loco?
20:24:12  <Stablean> <V453000> ye
20:24:36  <Stablean> <Mks> that would mean I should use 7 locos on my tl 7 trains
20:24:37  <Stablean> <eyescream> well thanks for the help and thorough explanations :D
20:24:45  <Stablean> <V453000> yw
20:24:47  <Stablean> <eyescream> going to try to put that to good use
20:24:53  <Stablean> <V453000> any other questions - feel free to ask :)
20:24:59  <Stablean> <eyescream> thanks :)
20:25:32  <Stablean> <Mks> I think 2 locos on tl 7 for me is ok
20:25:42  <Stablean> <V453000> well for you it is
20:25:52  <Stablean> <V453000> but I have a lot of merging and stuff so the acceleration is very viable
20:25:58  <Stablean> <Mks> full speed after like 15 tiles
20:26:04  <Stablean> <Mks> ahhh
20:26:06  <Stablean> <Mks> true
20:26:23  <Stablean> <Mks> with lots of merging it makes a big diffrence
20:27:02  <Stablean> <V453000> plus it looks cool :p
20:27:09  <Stablean> <Mks> hehe
20:27:10  <Stablean> <Mks> more expensive
20:27:21  <Stablean> <V453000> who cares about money
20:27:27  <Stablean> <Mks> if the running cost where high all your trains would cost more
20:27:29  <Stablean> <V453000> after X years you are bathing in shit anyway
20:27:33  <Stablean> <Mks> then they profit
20:27:42  <Stablean> <Mks> well not me :P
20:27:50  <Stablean> <Mks> I've played with the water
20:28:16  <Stablean> <Mks> but yeah its true money is usually not an issue later in the game
20:28:33  <Stablean> <eyescream> even i have a ton of money and i barely did anything
20:29:01  <Stablean> <Mks> try raise or lower some land at the water and it will all go away :)
20:29:17  <Stablean> <eyescream> i did earlier :P
20:31:56  <Stablean> <eyescream> how do you decide where to place depots?
20:32:18  <Stablean> <V453000> I make all depots inaccessible and I place autoreplace depots after drop stations
20:32:26  <Stablean> <V453000> because well ... every train goes near some drop :p
20:32:50  <Stablean> <V453000> and after them so that trains use the right ones
20:33:05  <Stablean> <eyescream> heh
20:33:28  <Stablean> <V453000> how far proper I make them depends really
20:33:34  <Stablean> <V453000> in this game I have them quite dirty :)
20:36:55  <Stablean> <Energizer> or rather
20:37:30  <Stablean> <eyescream> lol 32 tonnes of coal dude :P
20:37:35  <Stablean> <Energizer> :D
20:37:37  <Stablean> <Energizer> yeah fail
20:37:43  <Stablean> <Energizer> I bought 3 cool trains
20:37:49  <Stablean> <Energizer> for a heap of coal
20:37:55  <Stablean> <eyescream> there is another mine
20:38:01  <Stablean> <eyescream> behind your station
20:38:17  <Stablean> <eyescream> connect that or feed the other station :D
20:38:19  <Stablean> <Energizer> behind?
20:38:32  <Stablean> <eyescream> check my sign !here
20:38:42  <Stablean> <eyescream> left click on the map icon -> sign list
20:38:57  <Stablean> <Mks> lol 4 tracks for a 40 ton coal mine :P
20:39:03  <Stablean> <Energizer> ah
20:39:11  <Stablean> <Energizer> and
20:39:15  <Stablean> <Energizer> I have bigger plans mks
20:39:15  <Stablean> <Energizer> :D
20:39:23  <Stablean> <Energizer> that will be my main line
20:39:33  <Stablean> <Energizer> I intend to connect other stuff to it too so that all 4 tracks will be neede
20:39:33  <Stablean> <Energizer> d
20:40:26  <Stablean> <Mks> I don't know maybe you prolly need over 100 trains for it to be needed with 4 tracks
20:40:51  <Stablean> <Energizer> well but they are one way each so..
20:40:53  <Stablean> <Mks> maybe less
20:41:03  <Stablean> <eyescream> but a roro station would be better i think
20:41:11  <Stablean> <eyescream> faster throughput
20:41:21  <Stablean> <V453000> well tha isnt entirely true
20:41:35  <Stablean> <Energizer> a roro station is good for less stuff
20:41:42  <Stablean> <Energizer> once you start adding more stations it gets ugly
20:41:48  <Stablean> <V453000> I wouldnt compare terminus and roro much
20:41:51  <Stablean> <Energizer> hence I decided to try making a main line
20:42:19  <Stablean> <eyescream> well i was just thinking of this case in particular
20:42:41  <Stablean> <eyescream> i was thinking that one track to it with  a couple of platforms in a roro station and one track leading back from it
20:42:48  <Stablean> <eyescream> would be better than building 2 tracks from and to
20:43:10  <Stablean> <Energizer> you dont understand
20:43:13  <Stablean> <eyescream> naturally you could use an advanced terminus station too
20:43:17  <Stablean> <Energizer> I built the 4 tracks
20:43:19  <Stablean> <Energizer> for future use
20:43:23  <Stablean> <Energizer> it is my main line
20:43:29  <Stablean> <eyescream> yeah yeah just saying :P
20:43:31  <Stablean> <Energizer> i'm going to connect other stuff
20:43:33  <Stablean> <Energizer> on the way
20:43:36  <Stablean> <Energizer> so i'll need that
20:43:48  <Stablean> <Energizer> and whats a terminus station?
20:44:06  <Stablean> <eyescream> the kind you built
20:44:12  <Stablean> <eyescream> they are the end of the line
20:44:16  <Stablean> <Energizer> oh
20:44:20  <Stablean> <Energizer> k
20:44:26  <Stablean> <eyescream> ro ro goes through
20:44:28  <Stablean> <Mks> terminus where train enter and leave the station from the same side
20:46:31  <Stablean> <Mks> V is the heavy cargo multiplier always 1?
20:46:39  <Stablean> <Mks> cause mm at 1 hills doesn't really matter
20:46:45  <Stablean> <V453000> usually it is
20:46:47  <Stablean> <Mks> but they do if you increase it
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20:50:25  <Stablean> <Mks> how many cargo wagons is needed on a train to make it do profit?
20:50:36  <Stablean> <V453000> 1
20:50:43  <Stablean> <Mks> if you have 4 locos?
20:50:49  <Stablean> <Mks> or even 5
20:50:51  <Stablean> <V453000> well it depends of course
20:51:59  <Stablean> <Mks> mm why does it say invalid cargo?
20:52:05  <Stablean> <V453000> japanese towns
20:52:07  <Stablean> <V453000> no idea why
20:52:09  <Stablean> <V453000> but it doesnt hurt anything
20:52:20  <Stablean> <Mks> what do they accept that doesn't work ?
20:52:43  <Stablean> <V453000> ?
20:52:51  <Stablean> <Mks> the invalid cargo
20:52:57  <Stablean> <V453000> ?
20:52:59  <Stablean> <Mks> does it work anywhere
20:53:05  <Stablean> <Mks> with like some other newgrf?
20:53:06  <Stablean> <V453000> in what terms?
20:53:15  <Stablean> <V453000> town newgrfs,
20:53:16  <Stablean> <V453000> ?
20:53:23  <Stablean> <V453000> no, only japan towns
21:03:15  <Stablean> <V453000> oh for fuck sakes
21:03:18  <Stablean> <V453000> I have no HQ
21:03:26  <Stablean> <Energizer> lol
21:03:40  <Stablean> <Mks> does it matter?
21:03:42  <Stablean> <V453000> yea!
21:04:25  <Stablean> <Energizer> how do I cancel shared orders?
21:04:36  <Stablean> <Mks> remove all orders from a train
21:04:38  <Stablean> <V453000> press the "end of shared orders" and press delete
21:04:41  <Stablean> <Mks> oo
21:04:44  <Stablean> <Mks> might work to :P
21:04:53  <Stablean> <Energizer> deletes all orders :DD
21:04:59  <Stablean> <V453000> if you delete all orders, it will also delete all the shared vehicles orders
21:05:05  <Stablean> <V453000> not the sharing :)
21:05:07  <Stablean> <Mks> no
21:05:21  <Stablean> <Energizer> ah
21:05:25  <Stablean> <Mks> ahh
21:05:33  <Stablean> <Mks> yes I meant to do it like you said V
21:05:33  <Stablean> <Mks> sorry
21:05:37  <Stablean> <V453000> :)
21:05:56  <Stablean> <Mks> gah I want to raise 17x5 in the ocean
21:06:02  <Stablean> <Mks> but its gona be expensive
21:07:09  <Ammler> V453000: planetmaker: specially here might pbs used more
21:07:17  <V453000> ?
21:07:26  <Ammler> so next time the server lags, change
21:07:43  <planetmaker> jo
21:07:44  <Ammler> !rcon set pf.path_backoff_interval
21:07:44  <Stablean> Ammler: Current value for 'pf.path_backoff_interval' is: '1' (min: 1, max: 255)
21:07:51  <Ammler> to 10 or so
21:07:55  <V453000> oh this
21:07:58  <V453000> sure :)
21:08:04  <Ammler> you remember the logic game
21:08:12  <V453000> yes 180
21:08:13  <Ammler> iirc, it had effect there?
21:08:17  <V453000> totally destroyed the server :D
21:08:24  <V453000> ML split 06
21:08:51  <V453000> (which by the ways is broken due to that latest PBS bug)
21:09:24  <Ammler> is that what "they" discuss in #openttd?
21:10:02  <planetmaker> no
21:10:18  <V453000> dont think so :)
21:10:27  <planetmaker> the discussion is about performance testing
21:10:51  <Stablean> <Energizer> man
21:10:57  <Stablean> <Energizer> no factories near my line
21:10:58  <V453000> the thing I am talking about is about kind of violation of sense of safe tiles with PBS
21:10:59  <planetmaker> and our psg savegames prove considerably bad testgames as they show not much performance gain with the proposed patch
21:11:10  <planetmaker> 'bad'
21:12:02  <Ammler> and why is the save bad and not the patch? :-P
21:12:43  <planetmaker> :-) that's why I added "'"
21:12:43  <V453000> if you want to see some brutal cpu load, PZ13 is insane ... the synchronized SML makes really waves on the load :o
21:12:44  <planetmaker> :-P
21:12:57  <V453000> Vitus counted how much it hogs
21:13:01  <V453000> a lot :D
21:13:04  <planetmaker> V453000: trains running is not what the performance improvements is about ;-)
21:13:07  <planetmaker> Not running trains
21:13:10  <V453000> ok
21:13:11  <V453000> :)
21:13:20  <planetmaker> Rather station visits
21:13:29  <planetmaker> and certain other map accesses
21:13:36  <V453000> o
21:13:37  <V453000> ok :)
21:13:40  <planetmaker> So the gain ranges from 0% to 50%
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21:14:34  <V453000> seeee ya :)
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21:32:18  <Stablean> <Mks> damnit broke again
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22:17:31  <Stablean> <Henri> hi
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22:35:31  <Stablean> <eyescream> fail
22:35:36  <Stablean> <eyescream> FAIL I SAY
22:35:42  <Stablean> <Energizer> ;DDD
22:35:44  <Stablean> <eyescream> i came ingame for this.
22:36:12  <Stablean> <eyescream> i found it
22:36:16  <Stablean> <eyescream> without your help
22:36:18  <Stablean> <Energizer> :D
22:36:20  <Stablean> <eyescream> fuck you
22:36:23  <Stablean> <eyescream> :DD
22:36:25  <Stablean> <Energizer> =DDDD
22:36:35  <Stablean> <Energizer> they ported puck and kunkka =DDD=DD=DDD
22:36:41  <Stablean> <eyescream> =D =D =D
22:36:47  <Stablean> <eyescream> lol i should watch that again
22:36:49  <Stablean> <eyescream> so epic
22:36:56  <Stablean> <Energizer> yeah
22:38:13  <Stablean> <eyescream> s2 is ruining the game with original heroes
22:38:19  <Stablean> <Energizer> :DDDDDDDDD
22:38:25  <Stablean> <eyescream> they added kunkka and puck =D D =D =DDDD
22:38:27  <Stablean> <Energizer> what?
22:38:29  <Stablean> <Energizer> are you shitting me?
22:38:35  <Stablean> <eyescream> fuck yeah
22:38:35  <Stablean> <eyescream> :D
22:38:37  <Stablean> <Energizer> XD
22:38:49  <Stablean> <Energizer> it's funny
22:38:51  <Stablean> <Energizer> when you understands
22:38:54  <Stablean> <Energizer> understand*
22:38:57  <Stablean> <Energizer> what he says
22:38:59  <Stablean> <Energizer> in russian
22:39:09  <Stablean> <Energizer> apparently she asks him "how is the club?"
22:39:19  <Stablean> <Energizer> and he's like "nothing special"
22:39:29  <Stablean> <Energizer> "been here many times but this time is bad"
22:39:31  <Stablean> <eyescream> lol wtf
22:39:34  <Stablean> <eyescream> nothing special and he goes nuts ? :DD
22:39:36  <Stablean> <eyescream> wtf.
22:39:36  <Stablean> <Energizer> "and the music is bad too"
22:39:39  <Stablean> <Energizer> and then
22:39:41  <Stablean> <eyescream> russians..
22:39:41  <Stablean> <Energizer> she asks him
22:39:47  <Stablean> <Energizer> "what kind of music is here?"
22:39:54  <Stablean> <Energizer> and he is like "what?"
22:40:06  <Stablean> <Energizer> ("you gotta be shitting me")
22:40:16  <Stablean> <eyescream> :DD
22:40:18  <Stablean> <Energizer> and then she repeats the "question" (they ported...)
22:40:24  <Stablean> <Energizer> and he starts going nuts
22:40:31  <Stablean> <Energizer> to show her the "type of music"
22:40:35  <Stablean> <Energizer> stupid russians indeed
22:42:17  <Stablean> <eyescream> oh boy :D
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22:52:09  <Stablean> <MrMouthy> Hi
22:53:33  <Stablean> <eyescream> hey
22:53:49  <Stablean> <eyescream> hopefully without connectivity issues this time :P
22:54:01  <Stablean> <MrMouthy> Lol it seems to be fine :P
22:54:03  <Stablean> <Energizer> hey
22:54:06  <Stablean> <MrMouthy> Hi
22:56:27  <V453000> watching Empr bashing the hell out of people? :)
22:57:19  <Stablean> <MrMouthy> Lol what?
22:57:39  <V453000> guys were talking about heroes of newerth about 20 minutes ago :)
22:57:52  <Stablean> <MrMouthy> Oh
22:58:06  <Stablean> <eyescream> heh
22:58:20  <Stablean> <eyescream> do you play? :o
22:58:32  <Stablean> <MrMouthy> Nope, never heard of it xD
22:58:37  <V453000> I played the beta but since then I just watch progaming scene
22:59:04  <Stablean> <eyescream> it's like dota
22:59:16  <Stablean> <eyescream> why did youn't you continue after beta? :P
22:59:27  <V453000> playing on pub is retarded and without any teamplay ... and I dont really want to play it with a team :)
22:59:52  <Stablean> <eyescream> fair enough
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23:00:05  <V453000> the game is great though
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23:00:34  <Stablean> <V453000> aand hi :)
23:00:43  <Stablean> <Energizer> hi
23:00:59  <Stablean> <eyescream> hey ;)
23:01:51  <Stablean> <V453000> but well it was fun to go steamboots, demo breastplate, shieldbreaker demented shaman :D
23:02:09  <Stablean> <V453000> or hellflower, harkons blade, symbol of rage pyro ...
23:02:15  <Stablean> <V453000> pub ... :)
23:02:22  <Stablean> <eyescream> lol :D
23:02:37  <Stablean> <eyescream> yeah pub is so random
23:02:44  <Stablean> <V453000> pyro was especially fun
23:02:46  <Stablean> <eyescream> i've lost 4v5s
23:02:52  <Stablean> <eyescream> (us being 5)
23:02:56  <Stablean> <eyescream> and i've won 2v5s
23:03:10  <Stablean> <V453000> you kill 2 by spells, another 2 by autoattacks and then the last one again because your cooldowns are gone :D
23:03:10  <Stablean> <eyescream> it's hilarious, haven't played in more than a month though
23:03:24  <Stablean> <eyescream> :D
23:03:32  <Stablean> <eyescream> only works against baddies though
23:03:38  <Stablean> <V453000> well of course :)
23:03:40  <Stablean> <Energizer> wat
23:03:42  <Stablean> <Energizer> u play hon v?
23:03:46  <Stablean> <V453000> I used to
23:03:48  <Stablean> <eyescream> someone needs to read the log
23:03:50  <Stablean> <eyescream> :P
23:03:53  <Stablean> <V453000> :D
23:03:55  <Stablean> <Energizer> yeah well
23:03:57  <Stablean> <Energizer> when im focused on building
23:04:00  <Stablean> <Energizer> I dont read the chat
23:04:14  <Stablean> <Energizer> what do you mean used to?
23:04:16  <Stablean> <Energizer> in the beta?
23:04:18  <Stablean> <V453000> yes
23:04:21  <Stablean> <Energizer> heh
23:04:23  <Stablean> <Energizer> liked it?
23:04:31  <Stablean> <V453000> the game is great
23:04:38  <Stablean> <Energizer> yeah
23:04:40  <Stablean> <V453000> but the people who hang around pub games arent
23:04:43  <Stablean> <Energizer> it'll live long
23:04:46  <Stablean> <Energizer> true
23:04:56  <Stablean> <Energizer> thats why you get a couple of mates to play with
23:04:59  <Stablean> <Energizer> I barely ever play alone
23:05:17  <Stablean> <Energizer> like these days, eyescream refuses to play so I dont play too much either
23:05:20  <Stablean> <V453000> and since there werent that many carries in the beta, people just all the time picked scout and raped the shit out of other teams ... because they always found someone to feed em
23:05:34  <Stablean> <Energizer> well
23:05:40  <Stablean> <Energizer> much has changed since the beta
23:05:42  <Stablean> <V453000> I believe
23:05:44  <Stablean> <Energizer> people are more knowledgable and aware of the game
23:05:50  <Stablean> <V453000> :)
23:05:54  <Stablean> <Energizer> you will see wards and couriers much more than in the beta
23:05:57  <Stablean> <Energizer> in your average pub game
23:05:59  <Stablean> <V453000> ooh
23:06:01  <Stablean> <V453000> awesome
23:06:03  <Stablean> <Energizer> but then again there are always the jerk games
23:06:09  <Stablean> <V453000> never seen wards there :D besides my own
23:06:09  <Stablean> <eyescream> and you will still see the same old people that go
23:06:11  <Stablean> <Mks> mm you lost your mine Energizer
23:06:13  <Stablean> <Energizer> so yeah, all comes down to getting a few mates
23:06:20  <Stablean> <V453000> yea
23:06:22  <Stablean> <eyescream> "FUK U TARD OMG U NO LIVE WTF"
23:06:28  <Stablean> <V453000> :D
23:06:28  <Stablean> <Energizer> lol apparently it wasnt producing enough coal
23:06:34  <Stablean> <Energizer> or sth
23:06:36  <Stablean> <V453000> typical dota speech
23:06:36  <Stablean> <eyescream> "I SHOT UR MOM HORE"
23:06:42  <Stablean> <V453000> yea
23:06:48  <Stablean> <V453000> that was especially bad in dota
23:06:48  <Stablean> <eyescream> :)
23:06:50  <Stablean> <V453000> 13year olds
23:06:53  <Stablean> <V453000> wtf.. :D
23:06:59  <Stablean> <Energizer> you come from dota v?
23:07:02  <Stablean> <V453000> yes
23:07:29  <Stablean> <V453000> black arachnia rapes all! :D
23:08:19  <Stablean> <V453000> but well ... what is more fun than Soulstealer / Nevermore :)
23:08:29  <Stablean> <Energizer> my most played hero
23:08:36  <Stablean> <Energizer> and probably the favorite
23:08:56  <Stablean> <V453000> it only is so fucking hard to play it :) especially on pubs
23:08:56  <Stablean> <Energizer> and btw in beta soulstealer raped
23:08:58  <Stablean> <Energizer> because he wasnt picked much
23:09:04  <Stablean> <Energizer> people never knew the damage of the hands
23:09:16  <Stablean> <Energizer> I always got them easily by surprise
23:09:16  <Stablean> <V453000> hehe
23:09:17  <Stablean> <V453000> yea
23:09:19  <Stablean> <Energizer> today they are more aware of soulstealer's abilities
23:09:30  <Stablean> <Energizer> hell even landing an ult is harder now, people react almost instantly when you key in
23:09:42  <Stablean> <V453000> well soulstealer rapes even now, only the latest nerf sucks a bit ... but still a farming machine :)
23:09:46  <Stablean> <Energizer> besides the regular nerfs on its cast time (fuck s2 :<<)
23:09:50  <Stablean> <eyescream> kunkka and puck =D =D =D
23:09:52  <Stablean> <V453000> yea
23:10:03  <Stablean> <Energizer> they ported puck and kunkka =D=D=D
23:10:05  <Stablean> <Energizer> saw the vid v?
23:10:07  <Stablean> <V453000> bubbles rocks :D
23:10:13  <Stablean> <eyescream> i like bubbles too!
23:10:14  <Stablean> <V453000> which vid
23:10:17  <Stablean> <Energizer> lol
23:10:18  <Stablean> <Energizer> sef
23:10:20  <Stablean> <Energizer> sec*
23:10:21  <Stablean> <Mks> wow mm V try demolish a big area of water:P if you wish to get poor
23:10:36  <Stablean> <V453000> ...
23:10:42  <Stablean> <Energizer> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c23SH38P_t8
23:10:43  <Webster> Title: YouTube - Heroes Of Newerth Interview : Unhappy Gamer (at www.youtube.com)
23:10:50  <Stablean> <V453000> I see that basecosts are a real attraction this game :D
23:11:32  <Stablean> <V453000> OMG :D
23:11:38  <Stablean> <Energizer> XD
23:11:53  <Stablean> <V453000> know the codex lv5 song? :D
23:11:55  <Stablean> <Energizer> sure
23:12:33  <Stablean> <eyescream> of cours
23:12:33  <Stablean> <eyescream> e
23:12:35  <Stablean> <eyescream> i build my codex level 5.
23:14:07  <Stablean> <Energizer> fuck
23:14:15  <Stablean> <Energizer> I went through the whole trouble to build a station near that farm
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23:14:19  <Stablean> <Energizer> and it closed down
23:14:21  <Stablean> <V453000> :D
23:14:25  <Stablean> <Energizer> T.T
23:14:29  <Stablean> <V453000> QQ
23:14:31  <Stablean> <Energizer> oh well ill just seed one
23:14:31  <Stablean> <eyescream> lol
23:14:41  <Stablean> <eyescream> you can't
23:14:45  <Stablean> <Energizer> wat
23:14:51  <Stablean> <Energizer> you shittin me
23:14:53  <Stablean> <MrMouthy> Xd
23:14:55  <Stablean> <eyescream> only secondary things
23:14:57  <Stablean> <Energizer> they ported puck and kunkka? =D=D=D
23:14:59  <Stablean> <eyescream> not resources
23:15:01  <Stablean> <V453000> omg :D
23:15:03  <Stablean> <Energizer> T.TTTTTTTTTTTT
23:15:06  <Stablean> <eyescream> otherwise everyone would build tons of coal mines
23:15:08  <Stablean> <eyescream> and stuff.
23:15:14  <Stablean> <Energizer> epic fail
23:15:16  <Stablean> <Energizer> is epic
23:15:23  <Stablean> <Energizer> now I got 2 useless stations
23:15:25  <Stablean> <Energizer> great
23:15:27  <Stablean> <eyescream> lol
23:15:39  <Stablean> <eyescream> that happened to me yesterday
23:15:42  <Stablean> <eyescream> three stations even
23:15:44  <Stablean> <V453000> you are utterly and completely fucked :)
23:15:47  <Stablean> <Energizer> XD
23:15:53  <Stablean> <Energizer> well
23:15:59  <Stablean> <Energizer> I wish I was that "fucked" in real life
23:16:05  <Stablean> <V453000> ? :o
23:16:07  <Stablean> <Energizer> with 3.3 million pounds in my bank account
23:16:09  <Stablean> <Energizer> ^^
23:16:12  <Stablean> <V453000> :D
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23:23:50  <Stablean> <Energizer> wat
23:23:52  <Stablean> <Energizer> no idea how
23:24:00  <Stablean> <Energizer> but I just made a 3m terraform
23:24:25  <Stablean> <Mks> well land is also quite expensive if you TF alot
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23:24:33  <Stablean> <Energizer> thats the point
23:24:38  <Stablean> <Energizer> I terraformed only like one corner
23:24:41  <Stablean> <Energizer> and suddenly boom 3m gone
23:24:48  <Stablean> <Mks> water?
23:24:57  <Stablean> <Energizer> nope
23:25:51  <Stablean> <Energizer> lol
23:25:53  <Stablean> <Energizer> thanks
23:25:55  <Stablean> <eyescream> yw
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