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00:07:00 <Stablean> *** MrMouthy has left the game (leaving) 00:24:03 *** KenjiE20 has quit IRC 02:52:00 <Stablean> *** Game unpaused (number of players) 02:52:02 <Stablean> *** Player has joined spectators 02:52:02 <Stablean> *** Game paused (number of players) 02:52:50 <Stablean> *** Player has changed his/her name to SoarHigh 02:53:10 <Stablean> *** SoarHigh has left the game (leaving) 06:38:25 *** ^Spike^ has joined #openttdcoop.stable 06:38:25 *** ChanServ sets mode: +o ^Spike^ 07:42:04 *** ODM has joined #openttdcoop.stable 07:42:04 *** ChanServ sets mode: +o ODM 08:00:15 <Stablean> *** Game unpaused (number of players) 08:00:16 <Stablean> *** Henri joined the game 08:03:50 <Stablean> *** made screenshot at 00032D5C: http://stable.openttdcoop.org/stable/webcam/00032D5C.png 08:08:50 <Stablean> *** made screenshot at 0001BA7B: http://stable.openttdcoop.org/stable/webcam/0001BA7B.png 08:13:50 <Stablean> *** made screenshot at 00019E82: http://stable.openttdcoop.org/stable/webcam/00019E82.png 08:16:12 <Stablean> *** Henri has left the game (leaving) 08:16:12 <Stablean> *** Game paused (number of players) 08:18:50 <Stablean> *** made screenshot at 0001926E: http://stable.openttdcoop.org/stable/webcam/0001926E.png 08:27:13 <Stablean> *** Chimera joined the game 08:29:04 <Stablean> *** Chimera has left the game (leaving) 08:47:43 <Stablean> *** Player has left the game (leaving) 08:55:37 <Stablean> *** Player has started a new company (#2) 08:55:37 <Stablean> *** Game unpaused (number of players) 08:55:45 <Stablean> *** Player has left the game (leaving) 08:55:45 <Stablean> *** Game paused (number of players) 08:56:08 <Stablean> *** Game unpaused (number of players) 08:56:10 <Stablean> *** Player has joined spectators 08:56:10 <Stablean> *** Game paused (number of players) 08:57:06 <Stablean> *** Player has joined company #2 08:57:06 <Stablean> *** Game unpaused (number of players) 08:58:23 <Stablean> *** Player has joined spectators 08:58:23 <Stablean> *** Game paused (number of players) 09:01:19 <Stablean> *** Player has changed his/her name to nooby 09:04:51 <Stablean> *** nooby has left the game (leaving) 09:31:31 <Stablean> *** ruarai joined the game 09:31:56 <Stablean> <ruarai> whats it paused for? 09:33:05 <Stablean> *** Player has changed his/her name to nooby 09:33:13 <Stablean> *** ruarai has changed his/her name to lol 09:33:17 <Stablean> *** lol has changed his/her name to why 09:33:30 <Stablean> *** why has changed his/her name to whyispaused 09:33:31 <planetmaker> !auto 09:33:31 <Stablean> *** planetmaker has enabled autopause mode. 09:33:39 <planetmaker> !rcon clients 09:33:39 <Stablean> planetmaker: Client #1 name: 'Stablean' company: 255 IP: 0.0.0.0 09:33:39 <Stablean> planetmaker: Client #32 name: 'whyispaused' company: 255 IP: 114.76.113.103 09:33:39 <Stablean> planetmaker: Client #34 name: 'nooby' company: 255 IP: 78.106.61.65 09:33:50 <Stablean> <whyispaused> whats that do? 09:33:54 <planetmaker> why should the game unpaused, if no-one plays? 09:34:02 <Stablean> <nooby> paused cause we observees 09:34:10 <planetmaker> exactly 09:34:14 <Stablean> *** whyispaused has left the game (leaving) 09:34:30 <Stablean> *** Game unpaused (number of players) 09:34:32 <Stablean> *** whyispaused joined the game 09:34:44 <Stablean> *** whyispaused has changed his/her name to ruarai 09:35:04 <Stablean> *** nooby has joined company #2 09:38:50 <Stablean> *** made screenshot at 0002383F: http://stable.openttdcoop.org/stable/webcam/0002383F.png 09:38:51 <planetmaker> !date 09:38:51 <Stablean> planetmaker: 30 Dec 1949 09:38:56 <planetmaker> !date 09:38:56 <Stablean> planetmaker: 1 Jan 1950 09:39:41 <Stablean> <ruarai> aw fuck 09:39:51 <Stablean> <ruarai> it says it accepts goods i make the trains and it doesnt 09:40:03 <planetmaker> houses change 09:40:30 <Stablean> *** planetm4ker joined the game 09:40:32 <Stablean> <planetm4ker> hi 09:40:48 <Stablean> <nooby> hi 09:43:51 <Stablean> *** made screenshot at 00023640: http://stable.openttdcoop.org/stable/webcam/00023640.png 09:44:29 <Stablean> <planetm4ker> yellow, I'd terraform slightly where you have that tiny bridge with the ugly bend 09:44:35 <Stablean> <planetm4ker> or is that (still) too expensive? 09:45:00 <Stablean> <ruarai> nope 09:45:48 <planetmaker> !rcon clients 09:45:48 <Stablean> planetmaker: Client #1 name: 'Stablean' company: 255 IP: 0.0.0.0 09:45:48 <Stablean> planetmaker: Client #36 name: 'ruarai' company: 3 IP: 114.76.113.103 09:45:48 <Stablean> planetmaker: Client #34 name: 'nooby' company: 2 IP: 78.106.61.65 09:45:48 <Stablean> planetmaker: Client #38 name: 'planetm4ker' company: 255 IP: 92.76.123.73 09:45:57 <planetmaker> !rcon move 38 3 09:45:57 <Stablean> planetmaker: *** planetm4ker has joined company #3 09:46:23 <Stablean> <ruarai> what are you in my company for? 09:46:29 <Stablean> <planetm4ker> I placed a sign :-) 09:46:37 <Stablean> <planetm4ker> I won't spend any money, no worries 09:46:40 <Stablean> <ruarai> ok 09:46:51 <Stablean> <ruarai> oh that bit was just temporary 09:46:53 <Stablean> <planetm4ker> at your pickup: I'd build there a straight line 09:46:55 <Stablean> <planetm4ker> ok 09:47:07 <Stablean> <ruarai> there was a station at innsberg before 09:47:09 <Stablean> <planetm4ker> you could (and should) still double-track it there 09:47:19 <Stablean> <planetm4ker> yeah. like that 09:47:45 <Stablean> <ruarai> aw fck 09:47:45 <Stablean> <planetm4ker> outch :-( 09:48:51 <Stablean> *** made screenshot at 0000585B: http://stable.openttdcoop.org/stable/webcam/0000585B.png 09:49:23 <Stablean> <planetm4ker> luckily enough money to recover :-) 09:49:31 <Stablean> <ruarai> yeah 09:49:43 <Stablean> <ruarai> and i could just get more loan 09:49:46 <Stablean> <planetm4ker> right 09:50:03 <Stablean> <ruarai> im just trying to pay all that off 09:50:33 <Stablean> <planetm4ker> might be worth to rather spend the loan on other profitable routes 09:50:45 <Stablean> <planetm4ker> then you'll soon get so much money that you cannot spend it fast enough 09:51:03 <Stablean> <ruarai> whats a good profitable route? 09:51:14 <Stablean> <planetm4ker> coal usually is very profitable 09:51:23 <Stablean> <planetm4ker> and long-distance 09:52:07 <Stablean> <planetm4ker> see the two signs !here 09:52:10 <Stablean> <ruarai> and not relying on another company would be best, like im doing 09:52:16 <Stablean> <planetm4ker> yep 09:52:37 <Stablean> <planetm4ker> or maybe to !other powerplant 09:52:39 <Stablean> <ruarai> i was doing 09:53:05 <Stablean> <ruarai> this>this 09:53:19 <Stablean> <ruarai> too short? 09:53:32 <Stablean> <planetm4ker> that's quite short 09:53:42 <Stablean> <planetm4ker> you make much more money, if you go a longer distance 09:53:51 <Stablean> *** made screenshot at 00029651: http://stable.openttdcoop.org/stable/webcam/00029651.png 09:53:58 <Stablean> <planetm4ker> you could go from that mine to !other powerplant 09:54:01 <Stablean> <planetm4ker> for example 09:54:50 <Stablean> <planetm4ker> have a look at the diagramme which shows you the cargo rates 09:55:13 <Stablean> <planetm4ker> there coal is quite high. And has a very shallow slope 09:55:20 <Stablean> <ruarai> yeah 09:55:27 <Stablean> <planetm4ker> thus you even get money, if it's delivered slow 09:56:47 <Stablean> <planetm4ker> :-) 09:56:53 <Stablean> <ruarai> thanks 09:58:50 <Stablean> <planetm4ker> may I connect another mine to the same line? 09:58:51 <Stablean> *** made screenshot at 00004FD2: http://stable.openttdcoop.org/stable/webcam/00004FD2.png 09:59:02 <Stablean> <ruarai> sure 10:03:09 <Stablean> <ruarai> someone should make roads like train tracks 10:03:11 <Stablean> <ruarai> diagnol 10:03:38 <Stablean> <planetm4ker> that's VERY difficult 10:03:51 <Stablean> *** made screenshot at 0000E857: http://stable.openttdcoop.org/stable/webcam/0000E857.png 10:04:01 <Stablean> <ruarai> just got ,000 from the coal 10:04:11 <Stablean> <planetm4ker> yep :-) 10:04:35 <Stablean> <planetm4ker> btw, don't worry that I just moved into your company. 10:04:41 <Stablean> <planetm4ker> People generally cannot do that 10:04:52 <Stablean> <ruarai> yeah i know 10:04:53 <Stablean> <ruarai> password 10:05:02 <Stablean> <planetm4ker> yep. And it's good that you have one 10:05:52 <Stablean> <planetm4ker> And those people who can on this server won't harm anyone :-) 10:06:02 <Stablean> <ruarai> ok 10:06:02 <Stablean> <planetm4ker> they'll always ask 10:06:28 <Stablean> <planetm4ker> before they do something. Just for placing a sign (which a spectator can't) it might sometimes seem opportune to go to a company) 10:06:55 <Stablean> <ruarai> ok 10:08:23 <Stablean> <planetm4ker> another 35k € 10:08:27 <Stablean> <ruarai> yep 10:08:43 <V453000> !date 10:08:43 <Stablean> V453000: 30 Jan 1952 10:08:51 <Stablean> *** made screenshot at 00037C62: http://stable.openttdcoop.org/stable/webcam/00037C62.png 10:09:02 <V453000> !info 10:09:02 <Stablean> V453000: http://stable.openttdcoop.org 10:09:07 <Stablean> <planetm4ker> shall we do that? 10:09:18 <Stablean> <ruarai> yep 10:09:26 <V453000> :O game without newGRFs? :( 10:10:29 <Stablean> <planetm4ker> do you know ctrl+drag signals? 10:10:56 <Stablean> <ruarai> yeah but never found out how to change directions when doing that 10:11:10 <Stablean> <planetm4ker> not drag, but ctrl+drag :-) 10:11:18 <Stablean> <planetm4ker> then it follows the track to the next split 10:11:28 <Stablean> <ruarai> ill try 10:12:16 <Ammler> [12:09] <V453000> game without newGRFs? <-- I am sorry :-( 10:12:29 <Stablean> <planetm4ker> I like it, Ammler :-) 10:13:14 <V453000> Ammler: no problem with me :) it just sucks :P 10:13:32 <Ammler> we lost all saves since Aug 10:13:40 <Stablean> <planetm4ker> we didn't do any... 10:13:43 <V453000> :o ok 10:13:52 <Stablean> *** made screenshot at 0000F454: http://stable.openttdcoop.org/stable/webcam/0000F454.png 10:14:13 <Stablean> <ruarai> oh crap 10:14:24 <Stablean> <ruarai> i didnt know there was two trains there 10:14:27 <Stablean> <planetm4ker> hm? 10:14:41 <Stablean> <ruarai> they crashed 10:14:43 <Stablean> <planetm4ker> oh 10:15:18 <Stablean> <planetm4ker> sorry 10:16:09 <V453000> Ammler: you can always look up my folder on blog :P 10:16:18 <V453000> all of them should be good to use :) 10:17:01 <Stablean> *** V453000 joined the game 10:17:04 <Stablean> <V453000> elo 10:17:32 <Stablean> <planetm4ker> hey 10:17:38 <Stablean> <V453000> hi pm :) 10:18:47 <Stablean> <planetm4ker> your money issues are virtually gone :-) 10:18:52 <Stablean> *** made screenshot at 0000C656: http://stable.openttdcoop.org/stable/webcam/0000C656.png 10:18:54 <Stablean> <ruarai> yeah 10:19:24 <Stablean> <ruarai> how do you make the directions with control-d? 10:19:26 <Stablean> <V453000> check Regensfurt Mines btw 10:19:34 <Stablean> <planetm4ker> which directions? 10:19:41 <Stablean> <ruarai> signal direction 10:19:47 <Stablean> <V453000> signals? just click multiple times when building 10:20:01 <Stablean> <planetm4ker> I just click on an existing signal and then ctrl+drag it in the tracks direction I want to fill it 10:20:07 <Stablean> <ruarai> ah 10:20:25 <Stablean> <ruarai> thanks 10:20:29 <Stablean> <planetm4ker> np 10:20:32 <Stablean> <V453000> :) have fun 10:20:36 <Stablean> *** V453000 has left the game (connection lost) 10:21:13 <Mks> mm 10:21:15 <Mks> I guess 10:21:21 <Mks> next game will be with newgrf? 10:21:45 <Stablean> *** Mks joined the game 10:22:00 <V453000> suur 10:22:13 <Mks> I mean I don't mind playing without trainset sometimes 10:22:13 <Mks> but 10:22:24 <Stablean> <ruarai> last game i played had a good scenario 10:22:26 <Mks> one reason to play on this server is due to all the awesome newgrfs :) 10:22:29 <V453000> well the original train set is good 10:22:38 <V453000> but the rest like stations usually is missing :p 10:22:42 <Mks> yeah 10:22:46 <V453000> basecosts are also quite important 10:22:49 <Stablean> <ruarai> is there a way to see where to get scenarios played on the server? 10:23:19 <Stablean> <planetm4ker> we don't keep tracks of what was played on this one 10:23:25 <V453000> but since this is RC1 and not many people play with it yet, so even a game without newGRFs doesnt attract so many newby people who rather destroy the map :) 10:23:39 <V453000> planetmaker: I have all the savegames though :p 10:23:52 <Stablean> *** made screenshot at 0000652A: http://stable.openttdcoop.org/stable/webcam/0000652A.png 10:23:56 <Stablean> <ruarai> `` 10:24:20 <Stablean> <planetm4ker> he @ V45300 10:24:23 <Mks> mm 10:24:40 <Mks> why are you using basecost mod 1.3 and not 1.4 btw? 10:24:48 <V453000> blog :) 10:25:26 <Stablean> <planetm4ker> ruarai: I expanded the power station's station 10:25:43 <Stablean> <ruarai> cool 10:26:13 <Stablean> <ruarai> im making another coal station behind the coal station which is behind the coal station 10:26:28 <V453000> Mks: u mean 3.1? 10:26:39 <Stablean> <planetm4ker> yup :-) 10:27:10 <Mks> ahh no it said basecost mod presets 1.4 10:27:37 <Mks> I can't read :P 10:27:42 <Ammler> doesn't really matter, 1.4 just has another preset 10:27:48 <Mks> ahh 10:28:08 <V453000> I hate presets tbh 10:28:12 <Mks> btw the thing that luukland has so you only can TF 50 tiles a month thats something you need to patch the servers for? 10:28:15 <Ammler> which preset is in use? 10:28:16 <V453000> I like to set everything just as I want :) 10:28:21 <Mks> lol 10:28:29 <Mks> well just make a V453000 preset then :P 10:28:40 <V453000> I change it every game if you noticed 10:28:40 <Ammler> V453000: default preset is my preset :-P 10:28:52 <V453000> as fits the map 10:28:52 <Stablean> *** made screenshot at 00003F89: http://stable.openttdcoop.org/stable/webcam/00003F89.png 10:28:58 <Ammler> maybe almost unplayable hard 10:29:19 <Stablean> <planetm4ker> ruarai: it's not. Mostly it's maps which are prepared and then uploaded 10:29:30 <Stablean> <planetm4ker> Anyone can basically propose and supply a map 10:29:36 <V453000> still :) I think every scenario demands other preset, not like "hard wtf BBQ" for all 10:29:38 <Stablean> <ruarai> oh 10:29:44 <Stablean> <planetm4ker> we prepare it ourselves 10:29:52 <Stablean> *** Mks has started a new company (#4) 10:30:01 <Stablean> <planetm4ker> if you have a map you want to be played. Propose it when this game is 'done' 10:30:03 <Stablean> <ruarai> because there was a good scenario on last time i joined 10:30:17 <Stablean> <planetm4ker> ah. Yeah. Maybe someone proposed it 10:30:23 <Stablean> <planetm4ker> or prepared. Dunno :-) 10:30:33 <Stablean> <planetm4ker> V45 has all of those still, he said 10:30:41 <Stablean> <planetm4ker> so you should sweet-talk him ;-) 10:30:43 <V453000> I have all of the games I proposed 10:30:52 <V453000> but I dont remember any other games being played here :) 10:31:06 <V453000> only a few ... maybe 2 were from someone else 10:31:54 <Mks> I want to make a game but you probarbly not gona like the trainset I wana use 10:32:07 <V453000> show me, we can always discuss 10:32:20 <Stablean> <planetm4ker> we don't have to like it 10:32:23 <Stablean> <planetm4ker> But it has to be on bananas 10:32:30 <Stablean> <Mks> yes ofc 10:33:00 <Stablean> <ruarai> planet, i made the power station a ro-ro 10:33:06 <Stablean> <planetm4ker> hm, yes 10:33:10 <Stablean> <Mks> well I haven't made a save yet 10:33:12 <Stablean> <planetm4ker> a very slow one 10:33:21 <Stablean> <planetm4ker> your curves are very very sharp 10:33:42 <Stablean> <planetm4ker> so the exit is currently not better than the terminus I made 10:33:52 <Stablean> *** made screenshot at 00005F05: http://stable.openttdcoop.org/stable/webcam/00005F05.png 10:33:54 <Stablean> <planetm4ker> you need the curve length as long as the trains 10:34:35 <Stablean> <ruarai> better? 10:34:40 <Stablean> <planetm4ker> not really :-P 10:35:17 <Stablean> <planetm4ker> those things I indicated. Those are the slow parts 10:35:23 <Stablean> <planetm4ker> now 10:35:41 <Stablean> <planetm4ker> :-( don't TF so much 10:37:35 <Stablean> <planetm4ker> these very steep curves make a train slow-down a lot 10:37:41 <Stablean> <planetm4ker> such they will cause jams :-) 10:37:49 <Stablean> <planetm4ker> not that I modified some junctions, too 10:37:56 <Stablean> <planetm4ker> they don't have those steep curves anymore either 10:38:06 <Stablean> <Mks> well only when you have alot of traffic really 10:38:12 <Stablean> <ruarai> i once downloaded a save file that was almost all junctions had a 90 degree turn 10:38:16 <Stablean> <planetm4ker> Mks: slow-down always 10:38:21 <Stablean> <Mks> yes but 10:38:27 <Stablean> <Mks> with slow trains and little traffic 10:38:29 <Stablean> <planetm4ker> ruarai: that doesn't make the game better 10:38:32 <Stablean> <Mks> its not as affecting 10:38:44 <Stablean> <ruarai> i know 10:38:53 <Stablean> *** made screenshot at 0001DB84: http://stable.openttdcoop.org/stable/webcam/0001DB84.png 10:38:56 <Stablean> <planetm4ker> 10:39:07 <Stablean> <ruarai> i just dont know why the person making the save file didnt notice them slow down at them 10:39:22 <Stablean> <planetm4ker> loan repaid 10:39:30 <Stablean> <ruarai> cool 10:39:42 <Stablean> <planetm4ker> probably for the same reason you built the steep curves 10:39:54 <Stablean> <planetm4ker> they were there. Better never build them in the first place 10:40:46 <Stablean> <Mks> sometimes hard to avoid building to step curves tho if its late in a game and your using a high TL 10:41:00 <Stablean> <ruarai> TL? 10:41:18 <Stablean> <Mks> train lenght 10:41:21 <V453000> why do you use high TL then :) 10:41:29 <Stablean> <Mks> cause I like long trains :) 10:41:41 <Stablean> <Mks> well I like short also 10:41:53 <Stablean> <Mks> but for long distance long trains makes sence 10:42:30 <V453000> well not much of a reason :) 10:43:05 <Stablean> <Mks> it is :) 10:43:24 <V453000> the main point imo is - how many junctions you have and how much curves will you need/use 10:43:42 <V453000> if you have a straight track without hubs, even TL 50 is no problem 10:43:53 <Stablean> *** made screenshot at 0000471A: http://stable.openttdcoop.org/stable/webcam/0000471A.png 10:43:55 <V453000> with an actual network, you wouldnt be able to do shit :) 10:44:05 <Stablean> <Mks> why not? 10:44:13 <Stablean> <Mks> well TL 50 is maybe a bit hihg 10:44:19 <Stablean> <Mks> but TL 20 network you coul do 10:44:21 <Stablean> <Mks> could 10:44:22 <V453000> no 10:44:25 <V453000> CL20 is super insane 10:44:30 <V453000> try to build even CL10 hub 10:44:33 <V453000> you will shit blood 10:44:34 <Stablean> <Mks> I know 10:44:37 <Stablean> <Mks> haha 10:44:39 <Stablean> <Mks> well 10:44:49 <Stablean> <Mks> I had a TL 10 network in a game 10:45:04 <Stablean> <Mks> a ring with cl 10 10:45:10 <Stablean> <Mks> and several connections to it 10:45:22 <Stablean> <Mks> no real mm hub perhaps 10:45:48 <V453000> I dont say it isnt possible :) it only is extremely life-hogging and you probably need a very flat/smooth map I guess 10:46:01 <Stablean> <Mks> well or avoid curves :) 10:46:10 <V453000> and well ... tracks without hubs are just nonsense imo 10:46:20 <V453000> kind of .. 10:46:47 *** KenjiE20 has joined #openttdcoop.stable 10:46:47 *** ChanServ sets mode: +o KenjiE20 10:47:16 <Stablean> <planetm4ker> I added two further coal mines 10:47:26 <Stablean> <ruarai> i saw 10:47:32 <Stablean> <planetm4ker> use bridges 10:47:36 <Stablean> <planetm4ker> and connect to my line I built there 10:47:42 <Stablean> <planetm4ker> :-) 10:47:42 <Stablean> <Mks> ohh signaling is alot more expensive with basecost mod? 10:48:38 <V453000> no 10:48:45 <V453000> some train sets make it more expensive 10:48:49 <Stablean> <Mks> ahh 10:48:53 <Stablean> *** made screenshot at 000064E6: http://stable.openttdcoop.org/stable/webcam/000064E6.png 10:48:53 <V453000> but I think only DB set influences it 10:48:57 <Stablean> <Mks> cause it was insanely expensive last game 10:49:01 <V453000> signals? 10:49:05 <Stablean> <Mks> yeah 10:49:05 <V453000> hmm maybe japan too 10:51:58 <Stablean> *** nooby has left the game (connection lost) 10:52:25 <Stablean> *** Player has joined spectators 10:52:37 <Stablean> *** Player has changed his/her name to nooby 10:53:08 <Stablean> *** nooby has joined company #2 10:53:42 *** Vitus has joined #openttdcoop.stable 10:53:53 <Stablean> *** made screenshot at 0001091D: http://stable.openttdcoop.org/stable/webcam/0001091D.png 10:57:11 <Stablean> <planetm4ker> I started an iron ore service 10:57:47 <Stablean> <ruarai> where? 10:57:53 <Stablean> <planetm4ker> all across the map :-) 10:57:57 <Stablean> <planetm4ker> using our coal lines 10:57:59 <Stablean> <ruarai> ah there 10:58:05 <Stablean> <planetm4ker> steel plant in the corner 10:58:53 <Stablean> *** made screenshot at 00013A77: http://stable.openttdcoop.org/stable/webcam/00013A77.png 11:03:47 <Stablean> <ruarai> the coal mines producing the most coal are right next to the main power station... 11:03:53 <Stablean> *** made screenshot at 00002431: http://stable.openttdcoop.org/stable/webcam/00002431.png 11:03:55 <Stablean> <planetm4ker> use a few trucks 11:07:56 <Stablean> <ruarai> wheres the steel go? 11:08:08 <Stablean> <planetm4ker> nowhere yet. Working on it 11:08:54 <Stablean> *** made screenshot at 00035D86: http://stable.openttdcoop.org/stable/webcam/00035D86.png 11:11:12 <Stablean> <ruarai> look at the signs near the main power station 11:12:52 <Stablean> <ruarai> hello? 11:12:54 <Stablean> <planetm4ker> yes? 11:13:04 <Stablean> <ruarai> look at the signs near the main power station 11:13:23 <Stablean> <planetm4ker> rather not 11:13:27 <Stablean> <planetm4ker> it would be a join before split 11:13:39 <Stablean> <planetm4ker> thus it would jam more likely 11:13:42 <Stablean> <planetm4ker> much more likely 11:13:49 <Stablean> <ruarai> ah 11:13:54 <Stablean> *** made screenshot at 0003AC76: http://stable.openttdcoop.org/stable/webcam/0003AC76.png 11:16:57 <Stablean> <ruarai> have to go 11:17:03 <Stablean> <planetm4ker> enjoy :-) 11:17:13 <Stablean> *** ruarai has left the game (connection lost) 11:17:15 <Stablean> <planetm4ker> I'll build connect a factory in the... 11:18:54 <Stablean> *** made screenshot at 00024DBA: http://stable.openttdcoop.org/stable/webcam/00024DBA.png 11:19:48 <Stablean> *** nooby has left the game (leaving) 11:23:54 <Stablean> *** made screenshot at 00037789: http://stable.openttdcoop.org/stable/webcam/00037789.png 11:28:54 <Stablean> *** made screenshot at 00036994: http://stable.openttdcoop.org/stable/webcam/00036994.png 11:33:55 <Stablean> *** made screenshot at 00037CB3: http://stable.openttdcoop.org/stable/webcam/00037CB3.png 11:38:55 <Stablean> *** made screenshot at 00022381: http://stable.openttdcoop.org/stable/webcam/00022381.png 11:43:55 <Stablean> *** made screenshot at 0001AF88: http://stable.openttdcoop.org/stable/webcam/0001AF88.png 11:44:30 <Ammler> @topic add Todo on next restart: rise screenshot frequency 11:44:30 *** Webster changes topic to " #openttdcoop Welcome server. OpenTTD 1.0.4-RC1 | Admin channel (ask for op) | run !screen | IF you prepare map, read http://wiki.openttdcoop.org/Map_Preparation | Todo on next restart: rise screenshot frequency" 11:48:55 <Stablean> *** made screenshot at 000091BF: http://stable.openttdcoop.org/stable/webcam/000091BF.png 11:53:24 <Stablean> *** LookAss joined the game 11:53:55 <Stablean> *** made screenshot at 00036994: http://stable.openttdcoop.org/stable/webcam/00036994.png 11:54:15 <Stablean> *** LookAss has started a new company (#5) 11:54:25 <Stablean> *** LookAss has left the game (connection lost) 11:58:56 <Stablean> *** made screenshot at 00023DB4: http://stable.openttdcoop.org/stable/webcam/00023DB4.png 12:03:56 <Stablean> *** made screenshot at 00004B5B: http://stable.openttdcoop.org/stable/webcam/00004B5B.png 12:08:56 <Stablean> *** made screenshot at 00036994: http://stable.openttdcoop.org/stable/webcam/00036994.png 12:18:56 <Stablean> *** made screenshot at 00008BCB: http://stable.openttdcoop.org/stable/webcam/00008BCB.png 12:23:56 <Stablean> *** made screenshot at 00036F8C: http://stable.openttdcoop.org/stable/webcam/00036F8C.png 12:28:56 <Stablean> *** made screenshot at 000003C4: http://stable.openttdcoop.org/stable/webcam/000003C4.png 12:32:25 <Mks> whats up woth all the SCreenshopts 12:32:39 <Stablean> <planetm4ker> why not? :-) 12:33:56 <Stablean> *** made screenshot at 0000650D: http://stable.openttdcoop.org/stable/webcam/0000650D.png 12:38:49 *** planetmaker changes topic to " #openttdcoop Welcome server. OpenTTD 1.0.4-RC1 | Admin channel (ask for op) | run !screen | IF you prepare map, read http://wiki.openttdcoop.org/Map_Preparation | Todo on next restart: lower screenshot frequency" 12:38:57 <Stablean> *** made screenshot at 0000B902: http://stable.openttdcoop.org/stable/webcam/0000B902.png 12:43:57 <Stablean> *** made screenshot at 00005F3A: http://stable.openttdcoop.org/stable/webcam/00005F3A.png 12:48:57 <Stablean> *** made screenshot at 0000B139: http://stable.openttdcoop.org/stable/webcam/0000B139.png 12:53:02 <Mks> can you watch them somewhere? 12:53:57 <Stablean> *** made screenshot at 0000574D: http://stable.openttdcoop.org/stable/webcam/0000574D.png 12:58:57 <Stablean> *** made screenshot at 00008F56: http://stable.openttdcoop.org/stable/webcam/00008F56.png 13:01:00 <Stablean> *** OG Matautas joined the game 13:01:22 <Stablean> <OG Matautas> ello 13:01:25 <Stablean> <planetm4ker> profit #1 meanwhile :-) 13:01:27 <Stablean> <planetm4ker> hi 13:02:01 <Stablean> *** OG Matautas has started a new company (#5) 13:02:19 <Stablean> <OG Matautas> wow henri is pro 13:02:59 <Stablean> <Mks> what do you mean henri is a pro? 13:03:07 <Stablean> <OG Matautas> thats what i mean 13:03:15 <Stablean> <Mks> rather why is he a pro? 13:03:26 <Stablean> <OG Matautas> aaam 13:03:38 <Stablean> <OG Matautas> check bocoz 13:03:58 <Stablean> *** made screenshot at 00026102: http://stable.openttdcoop.org/stable/webcam/00026102.png 13:04:19 <Stablean> <Mks> cause he made a prio? 13:04:23 <Stablean> <OG Matautas> yep 13:05:18 <Stablean> <Mks> see !here 13:05:20 <Stablean> <Mks> I got one to :P 13:05:22 <Stablean> <OG Matautas> woot no trainset 13:05:24 <Stablean> <Mks> its not really used tho 13:05:29 <Stablean> <Mks> no newgrf at all 13:07:49 <Stablean> <Mks> intressting construction of prio henri did not how I would have done it 13:08:58 <Stablean> *** made screenshot at 00032EFF: http://stable.openttdcoop.org/stable/webcam/00032EFF.png 13:11:50 <Stablean> <OG Matautas> woot normal tf prices 13:12:47 <Stablean> <OG Matautas> anyone got free cash? :) 13:13:58 <Stablean> *** made screenshot at 00028DCB: http://stable.openttdcoop.org/stable/webcam/00028DCB.png 13:18:58 <Stablean> *** made screenshot at 0000FDD1: http://stable.openttdcoop.org/stable/webcam/0000FDD1.png 13:20:20 <Stablean> <planetm4ker> hm. converting rail to e-rail costs virtually nothing :S 13:23:58 <Stablean> *** made screenshot at 0000D5D3: http://stable.openttdcoop.org/stable/webcam/0000D5D3.png 13:25:01 <Stablean> * planetm4ker ponders shipping oil 13:26:29 <Stablean> <Mks> ohh 13:26:35 <Stablean> <Mks> I can't buidl erail yet 13:26:41 <Stablean> <planetm4ker> But I do :-P 13:26:44 <Stablean> <Mks> cheater :P 13:26:51 <Stablean> <planetm4ker> test driver rather :-) 13:26:57 <Stablean> <Mks> true 13:27:04 <Stablean> <Mks> tho I think 1966 for erail is really late 13:27:31 <Stablean> <Mks> I wish you could upgrade to monorail and maglev without the need of replacing the trains 13:27:34 <Stablean> <Mks> that would be nice 13:27:49 <Stablean> <planetm4ker> I don't 13:28:58 <Stablean> *** made screenshot at 00037F8B: http://stable.openttdcoop.org/stable/webcam/00037F8B.png 13:30:51 <Stablean> <Mks> don't what? 13:31:11 <Stablean> <planetm4ker> I see no need for a "upgrade" from rail to other track systems 13:31:17 <Stablean> <planetm4ker> I can't upgrade a truck to a train either 13:31:21 <Stablean> <planetm4ker> or a truck to a tram 13:31:29 <Stablean> <planetm4ker> that'd be stupid 13:32:00 <Stablean> <Mks> well why not be able to convert the locos to maglev for example 13:32:15 <Stablean> <planetm4ker> why not convert a truck to a tram for example? 13:32:21 <Stablean> <Mks> well 13:32:23 <Stablean> <Mks> sure 13:32:25 <Stablean> <Mks> that could de done 13:32:27 <Stablean> <planetm4ker> or a plane to a ship 13:32:34 <Stablean> <Mks> lol 13:32:39 <Stablean> <Mks> plane to ship not really the same thing 13:32:41 <Stablean> <planetm4ker> it's the very same thing 13:32:55 <Stablean> <Mks> rail to maglev is still a track system 13:32:59 <Stablean> <Mks> just diffrent trains 13:33:14 <Stablean> <planetm4ker> it's as similar as a ship and a train 13:33:16 <Stablean> <Mks> well I more mean someway to automate it 13:33:22 <Stablean> <planetm4ker> or as any other two transport systems 13:33:26 <Stablean> <planetm4ker> I know. 13:33:33 <Stablean> <Mks> like enter a rail depot then a train with same orders leave a maglev depot 13:33:41 <Stablean> <planetm4ker> And my argument is: then you need a way to automate upgrade from ship to plane, too 13:33:45 <Stablean> <planetm4ker> It's the very same thing 13:33:59 <Stablean> *** made screenshot at 0003B84B: http://stable.openttdcoop.org/stable/webcam/0003B84B.png 13:34:03 <Stablean> <planetm4ker> maglev and rail IS completely different 13:34:09 <Stablean> <Mks> well since you can covert the rail I mean 13:34:11 <Stablean> <Mks> I know 13:34:14 <Stablean> <planetm4ker> which is stupid 13:34:20 <Stablean> <planetm4ker> rather that shall be abolished 13:34:27 <Stablean> <Mks> naa 13:34:29 <Stablean> <planetm4ker> only convert to compatible track types 13:34:47 <Stablean> <Mks> I mean japan plan to covert their rail system to maglev 13:34:51 <Stablean> <Mks> or at least the shinkasen rail 13:35:13 <Stablean> <planetm4ker> yes. And all they surely do is press the "convert rail + trains button" and be done 13:35:23 <Stablean> <Mks> well 13:35:25 <Stablean> <Mks> ofcourse not 13:35:27 <Stablean> <planetm4ker> should be as easy 13:35:35 <Stablean> <Mks> they remove old first and then build new probarbly 13:35:41 <Stablean> <planetm4ker> see. 13:35:52 <Stablean> <planetm4ker> That's why the "convert rail -> maglev should be removed 13:35:58 <Stablean> <planetm4ker> they build new 13:36:40 <Stablean> <Mks> well yeah but the probarbly will not covert the whole system at once take one part at the time and probarbly also havestations with both types 13:36:46 <Stablean> <Mks> but really this is a game 13:37:00 <Stablean> <Mks> should be made to make it easier for the players :) 13:37:40 <Stablean> <planetm4ker> it is 13:37:58 <Stablean> <planetm4ker> but you indeed want a feature which allows to replace a ship by a plane 13:38:03 <Stablean> <planetm4ker> it is nothing different here 13:38:17 <Stablean> <planetm4ker> and if you can make a fail-proof rule to replace an arbitrary vehicle type by another. Then you go 13:38:59 <Stablean> *** made screenshot at 00031ECE: http://stable.openttdcoop.org/stable/webcam/00031ECE.png 13:39:25 <Stablean> <Mks> well to be totally honest its probarbly possible to build a maglev track that allows for normal rail trains to go on it as well 13:39:33 <Stablean> <Mks> not really money efficent or anything 13:39:39 <Stablean> <Mks> but should be doable 13:39:41 <Stablean> <planetm4ker> I doubt it is 13:40:07 <Stablean> <planetm4ker> the systems are quite different 13:41:17 <Stablean> <Mks> yeah but only need to put the rail on the maglev track 13:41:33 <Stablean> <Mks> and ofcourse build the maglev trains so they won't be affect by the rail track 13:41:52 <Stablean> <Mks> in certain areas like large cities for example with limited space such a solution could be nice 13:42:06 <Stablean> <Mks> to have 1 station for diffrent types of trains 13:42:21 <Stablean> <OG Matautas> why cant you? 13:43:50 <Stablean> <planetm4ker> The usual way maglev works is that you have a somewhat elevated rail in the middle wich acts as the linear motor 13:43:59 <Stablean> *** made screenshot at 000258E7: http://stable.openttdcoop.org/stable/webcam/000258E7.png 13:44:14 <Stablean> <planetm4ker> but which at the same time provides some guidance to the maglev vehicle in case of power failure. 13:44:20 <Stablean> <planetm4ker> where it can reside on w/o power 13:44:34 <Stablean> <planetm4ker> this is usuall quite a lot higher than what you want for rail 13:44:37 <Stablean> <planetm4ker> to be in the middle 13:45:03 <Stablean> <planetm4ker> as such you'd need to designe new very high-wheeled rail vehicles 13:45:11 <Stablean> <planetm4ker> or maglev vehicles with a very high centre of mass 13:45:21 <Stablean> <planetm4ker> both is not desirable from a safety POV 13:47:24 <Stablean> <Mks> well as§ 13:47:34 <Stablean> <OG Matautas> u mean ass? 13:47:36 <Stablean> <Mks> well as far as I know there are two diffrent types of maglev 13:47:38 <Stablean> <Mks> no 13:47:45 <Stablean> <Mks> the transrapid 13:47:48 <Stablean> <Mks> and the japanese one 13:48:02 <Stablean> <Mks> japanese wich is similar to the one in openttd I guess 13:48:34 <Stablean> <Mks> the japenese ones couldn't you just add rails at the bottom for normal train to travel on? 13:48:40 <Stablean> <Mks> I mean is shaped like a U 13:48:47 <Stablean> <planetm4ker> ups. 30% of my trains are goods trains :-) 13:48:59 <Stablean> *** made screenshot at 00035352: http://stable.openttdcoop.org/stable/webcam/00035352.png 13:49:15 <Stablean> <Mks> wow 13:49:37 <Stablean> <planetm4ker> making 70k a year 13:49:39 <Stablean> <planetm4ker> each 13:49:47 <Stablean> <OG Matautas> wt 13:49:49 <Stablean> <OG Matautas> f 13:49:55 <Stablean> <OG Matautas> ur talking about money 13:50:09 <Stablean> <planetm4ker> :-) 13:50:15 <Stablean> <planetm4ker> it's pointless, I know :-) 13:50:22 <Stablean> <OG Matautas> sooner or later 13:50:29 <Stablean> <OG Matautas> we all will have no place to put them 13:50:31 <Stablean> <planetm4ker> rather sooner :-P 13:51:09 <Stablean> <Mks> well I don't plan to build that massive network this game so I won't have that much money 13:51:20 <Stablean> <OG Matautas> oh yes you will 13:51:26 <Stablean> <OG Matautas> sumtime u will go to sleep 13:51:28 <Stablean> <OG Matautas> when u wake up 13:51:30 <Stablean> <OG Matautas> u have 20 mil 13:51:36 <Stablean> <OG Matautas> thats with low pax 13:51:38 <Stablean> <planetm4ker> only? 13:51:48 <Stablean> <OG Matautas> im talking at least 13:52:40 <Stablean> <OG Matautas> i shall make a prior too xd 13:52:46 <Stablean> <OG Matautas> thats trendy 13:53:59 <Stablean> *** made screenshot at 0002D136: http://stable.openttdcoop.org/stable/webcam/0002D136.png 13:54:27 <Stablean> <OG Matautas> no money :/ 13:54:34 <Stablean> <OG Matautas> zZz time 13:58:59 <Stablean> *** made screenshot at 00029F11: http://stable.openttdcoop.org/stable/webcam/00029F11.png 14:01:33 <Stablean> *** Troy McClure joined the game 14:03:40 <Stablean> *** Troy McClure has left the game (leaving) 14:04:00 <Stablean> *** made screenshot at 00034922: http://stable.openttdcoop.org/stable/webcam/00034922.png 14:09:00 <Stablean> *** made screenshot at 0000A28C: http://stable.openttdcoop.org/stable/webcam/0000A28C.png 14:14:00 <Stablean> *** made screenshot at 000273BB: http://stable.openttdcoop.org/stable/webcam/000273BB.png 14:18:20 <Stablean> *** OG Matautas has left the game (leaving) 14:19:00 <Stablean> *** made screenshot at 00006F0A: http://stable.openttdcoop.org/stable/webcam/00006F0A.png 14:24:00 <Stablean> *** made screenshot at 0000E8A2: http://stable.openttdcoop.org/stable/webcam/0000E8A2.png 14:27:41 <Stablean> *** Player has joined spectators 14:28:19 <Stablean> *** Player has joined company #2 14:29:01 <Stablean> *** made screenshot at 000067E2: http://stable.openttdcoop.org/stable/webcam/000067E2.png 14:31:33 <Stablean> *** OG Matautas joined the game 14:32:21 <Stablean> *** Player #1 has joined spectators 14:33:01 <Stablean> *** Player #1 has started a new company (#7) 14:34:01 <Stablean> *** made screenshot at 00021C5C: http://stable.openttdcoop.org/stable/webcam/00021C5C.png 14:35:10 <Stablean> *** OG Matautas has left the game (leaving) 14:39:01 <Stablean> *** made screenshot at 0003845F: http://stable.openttdcoop.org/stable/webcam/0003845F.png 14:44:01 <Stablean> *** made screenshot at 0003D394: http://stable.openttdcoop.org/stable/webcam/0003D394.png 14:47:15 <Ammler> !players 14:47:18 <Stablean> Ammler: Client 52 (Dark Blue) is Player, in company 2 (Player Transport) 14:47:18 <Stablean> Ammler: Client 38 (Orange) is planetm4ker, in company 3 (whyispaused Transport) 14:47:18 <Stablean> Ammler: Client 42 (Red) is Mks, in company 4 (Mks Transport) 14:47:18 <Stablean> Ammler: Client 56 (White) is Player #1, in company 7 (Plop Transport) 14:47:26 <Ammler> !rcon move 52 255 14:47:26 <Stablean> Ammler: *** Player has joined spectators 14:47:32 <Ammler> !rcon move 56 255 14:47:32 <Stablean> Ammler: *** Player #1 has joined spectators 14:47:37 <Ammler> Players, please rename 14:47:42 <Stablean> *** Player has joined company #2 14:47:54 <V453000> !rcon move 56 255 14:47:54 <Stablean> V453000: ERROR: You cannot move someone to where he/she already is! 14:48:12 <V453000> !:( 14:48:12 <Ammler> ! :-) 14:48:19 <Ammler> !rcon move 52 255 14:48:19 <Stablean> Ammler: *** Player has joined spectators 14:48:43 <Ammler> Players, use !name 14:48:53 <Stablean> *** Player #1 has changed his/her name to Plop 14:48:53 <Stablean> *** Player has changed his/her name to nooby 14:49:01 <Stablean> *** made screenshot at 0003645C: http://stable.openttdcoop.org/stable/webcam/0003645C.png 14:49:03 <Stablean> *** Plop has joined company #7 14:49:08 <Stablean> *** nooby has joined company #2 14:49:29 <V453000> hooray 14:49:31 <V453000> thanks 14:49:39 <Stablean> <Plop> :P 14:49:58 <Stablean> <planetm4ker> it makes communication WAY easier 14:50:23 <Stablean> <Plop> havent seen much communication that last 10 minutes i played here :P 14:50:48 <Stablean> <planetm4ker> Even though. 14:50:55 <Stablean> <Plop> xD 14:51:53 <Stablean> <planetm4ker> it's easier to say "Plop, please don't use terraforming too liberally" than "Player, read the bloody rules and obey them" 14:52:11 <Stablean> <Plop> hehe 14:52:17 <Stablean> <Plop> so.. where are the rules :P 14:53:22 <Stablean> <Plop> there are no rules 14:53:51 <Stablean> <planetm4ker> didn't you see the link?! 14:53:54 <Stablean> <Plop> i did 14:54:02 <Stablean> *** made screenshot at 000003C4: http://stable.openttdcoop.org/stable/webcam/000003C4.png 14:54:08 <Stablean> <Plop> but when i go to page it says: no text 14:54:18 <Stablean> <Plop> but if i click around i see rulesets :P 14:54:54 <V453000> good boy :-D 14:54:58 <Stablean> <planetm4ker> it doesn't for me 14:55:05 <Ammler> what is the link to the homepage? 14:55:10 <V453000> !date 14:55:11 <Stablean> V453000: 7 May 1972 14:56:58 <Mks> !rules 14:59:02 <Stablean> *** made screenshot at 0002A059: http://stable.openttdcoop.org/stable/webcam/0002A059.png 14:59:09 <Mks> http://wiki.openttdcoop.org/Quickstart/stabl 14:59:12 <Mks> http://wiki.openttdcoop.org/Quickstart/stable 14:59:14 <Mks> that you mean? 14:59:18 <Mks> its empty 15:01:18 <planetmaker> no more :-P 15:01:38 <planetmaker> !rules 15:02:40 <Mks> ohh nice 15:04:02 <Stablean> *** made screenshot at 00016D49: http://stable.openttdcoop.org/stable/webcam/00016D49.png 15:04:18 <Stablean> *** leg3nd joined the game 15:06:26 <Stablean> *** leg3nd has left the game (leaving) 15:06:31 <Ammler> not just communication, also watching is easier 15:07:35 <Ammler> !dl 15:07:35 <Stablean> Ammler: !dl autostart|autottd|autoupdate|lin|lin64|osx|win32|win64|win9x 15:08:45 *** Razmir has joined #openttdcoop.stable 15:08:46 *** Razmir has quit IRC 15:09:02 <Stablean> *** made screenshot at 00033C60: http://stable.openttdcoop.org/stable/webcam/00033C60.png 15:10:26 <Ammler> planetmaker: did you check my Makefile patch? 15:10:38 <Stablean> <planetm4ker> I looked at it briefly 15:11:10 <Stablean> <planetm4ker> I think along those lines as well :-) 15:11:32 <Stablean> <planetm4ker> but I didn't yet apply and test it really 15:12:48 <Ammler> I have some issues to make a zip without folder 15:13:57 <planetmaker> yeah. You need probably create a folder 15:14:02 <Stablean> *** made screenshot at 0001F654: http://stable.openttdcoop.org/stable/webcam/0001F654.png 15:14:06 <planetmaker> Which is not a bad thing at all 15:19:02 <Stablean> *** made screenshot at 0003B37A: http://stable.openttdcoop.org/stable/webcam/0003B37A.png 15:24:03 <Stablean> *** made screenshot at 00009BCE: http://stable.openttdcoop.org/stable/webcam/00009BCE.png 15:25:03 <Stablean> *** Mks has joined spectators 15:28:46 <Stablean> *** kamazaki joined the game 15:29:03 <Stablean> *** made screenshot at 0001D339: http://stable.openttdcoop.org/stable/webcam/0001D339.png 15:29:06 <Stablean> *** kamazaki has left the game (leaving) 15:34:04 <Stablean> *** made screenshot at 0001EE55: http://stable.openttdcoop.org/stable/webcam/0001EE55.png 15:37:10 <Stablean> <planetm4ker> hm, I seriously should consider to upgrade to LL_RR 15:37:36 <Stablean> *** Player has left the game (leaving) 15:37:42 <Stablean> <Plop> whot? 15:39:00 <Stablean> <planetm4ker> My tracks are getting too busy 15:39:03 <Stablean> *** made screenshot at 00006733: http://stable.openttdcoop.org/stable/webcam/00006733.png 15:39:10 <Stablean> <planetm4ker> So I need to add a 2nd one for each direction 15:39:16 <Stablean> <planetm4ker> Tha means from L_R to LL_RR 15:39:38 <Stablean> <Plop> ah ok :P 15:39:44 <Stablean> <Plop> cuz u got 2 much trains? 15:39:47 <Stablean> <planetm4ker> yep 15:39:54 <Stablean> <planetm4ker> but it's only 160 ;-) 15:40:25 <Stablean> <Plop> that really expansive to place another 2 railroad tracks next to ur current ones 15:40:40 <Stablean> <Plop> and lots of time :P 15:40:49 <Stablean> <planetm4ker> money is a none-issue 15:40:54 <Stablean> <planetm4ker> but time to build it properly :-) 15:41:40 <Stablean> <planetm4ker> I get WAY more money than I can spend 15:41:50 <Stablean> <Plop> i checked ur finance tab lol 15:42:17 <Stablean> <planetm4ker> this game is not about money anyway. Getting money in OpenTTD is dead easy 15:42:27 <Stablean> <Plop> i know xD 15:44:04 <Stablean> *** made screenshot at 00035C5B: http://stable.openttdcoop.org/stable/webcam/00035C5B.png 15:44:26 <Stablean> *** Plop has joined spectators 15:44:52 <Stablean> <planetm4ker> why does this SH40 have no proper TE? :-( 15:46:53 <Stablean> *** OG Matautas joined the game 15:46:54 <Stablean> *** Plop has joined company #7 15:49:04 <Stablean> *** made screenshot at 00008FBB: http://stable.openttdcoop.org/stable/webcam/00008FBB.png 15:51:38 <Stablean> *** Plop has joined spectators 15:52:46 <Stablean> *** OG Matautas has left the game (leaving) 15:53:15 <Stablean> *** Plop has left the game (leaving) 15:53:43 <Stablean> *** Player has joined spectators 15:53:51 <Stablean> *** Benom joined the game 15:54:04 <Stablean> *** made screenshot at 000069B7: http://stable.openttdcoop.org/stable/webcam/000069B7.png 15:54:31 <Stablean> *** Player has joined company #7 15:54:41 <Stablean> *** Player has changed his/her name to Plop 15:56:01 <Stablean> *** Benom has left the game (leaving) 15:56:45 <Stablean> *** Plop has joined spectators 15:59:04 <Stablean> *** made screenshot at 00004FA8: http://stable.openttdcoop.org/stable/webcam/00004FA8.png 16:02:09 <Stablean> *** Plop has joined company #7 16:04:04 <Stablean> *** made screenshot at 00002A31: http://stable.openttdcoop.org/stable/webcam/00002A31.png 16:09:04 <Stablean> *** made screenshot at 0001297E: http://stable.openttdcoop.org/stable/webcam/0001297E.png 16:14:05 <Stablean> *** made screenshot at 0003DB85: http://stable.openttdcoop.org/stable/webcam/0003DB85.png 16:16:24 <Stablean> *** Zxilix joined the game 16:17:20 <Stablean> *** Dudy joined the game 16:17:29 <Stablean> *** Dudy has left the game (leaving) 16:19:05 <Stablean> *** made screenshot at 00007243: http://stable.openttdcoop.org/stable/webcam/00007243.png 16:19:48 <Stablean> *** Zxilix has left the game (leaving) 16:24:05 <Stablean> *** made screenshot at 00003DD4: http://stable.openttdcoop.org/stable/webcam/00003DD4.png 16:29:05 <Stablean> *** made screenshot at 00019068: http://stable.openttdcoop.org/stable/webcam/00019068.png 16:39:06 <Stablean> *** made screenshot at 00005624: http://stable.openttdcoop.org/stable/webcam/00005624.png 16:44:06 <Stablean> *** made screenshot at 00006BCE: http://stable.openttdcoop.org/stable/webcam/00006BCE.png 16:46:32 <Stablean> *** nooby has left the game (connection lost) 16:49:06 <Stablean> *** made screenshot at 00005FDC: http://stable.openttdcoop.org/stable/webcam/00005FDC.png 16:54:06 <Stablean> *** made screenshot at 0000A3C6: http://stable.openttdcoop.org/stable/webcam/0000A3C6.png 16:59:06 <Stablean> *** made screenshot at 00010B44: http://stable.openttdcoop.org/stable/webcam/00010B44.png 17:04:06 <Stablean> *** made screenshot at 0000A1C6: http://stable.openttdcoop.org/stable/webcam/0000A1C6.png 17:09:07 <Stablean> *** made screenshot at 00006FCC: http://stable.openttdcoop.org/stable/webcam/00006FCC.png 17:14:07 <Stablean> *** made screenshot at 00006DD2: http://stable.openttdcoop.org/stable/webcam/00006DD2.png 17:19:07 <Stablean> *** made screenshot at 00008FD7: http://stable.openttdcoop.org/stable/webcam/00008FD7.png 17:24:07 <Stablean> *** made screenshot at 000091CA: http://stable.openttdcoop.org/stable/webcam/000091CA.png 17:27:18 <Stablean> *** Player has joined spectators 17:29:08 <Stablean> *** made screenshot at 0000A9DB: http://stable.openttdcoop.org/stable/webcam/0000A9DB.png 17:29:46 <Stablean> *** Player has started a new company (#6) 17:30:51 <Stablean> *** Mks has joined company #4 17:34:08 <Stablean> *** made screenshot at 0001DB84: http://stable.openttdcoop.org/stable/webcam/0001DB84.png 17:34:38 <Stablean> *** Player has left the game (leaving) 17:36:40 <Stablean> <Mks> are you here Planetmaker? 17:36:42 <Stablean> *** Mks has joined spectators 17:36:47 <Stablean> <planetm4ker> yes 17:36:53 <Stablean> *** Mks has joined company #4 17:37:01 <Stablean> <Mks> you need more tracks 17:37:03 <Stablean> <Mks> your trains stop 17:37:05 <Stablean> <planetm4ker> I know 17:37:23 <Stablean> <planetm4ker> I'm upgrading from LR to LLRR for two hours already 17:37:37 <Stablean> <Mks> ohh wow 17:37:47 <Stablean> <planetm4ker> basically re-building a hub 17:37:51 <Stablean> <Mks> ahh 17:37:55 <Stablean> <Mks> thats whats taking time :P 17:38:05 <Stablean> <planetm4ker> yeah. Of course w/o stopping any traffic 17:38:19 <Stablean> <planetm4ker> and it's the hub EVERY train goes by ;-) 17:38:26 <Stablean> <Mks> hehe 17:38:28 <Stablean> <planetm4ker> in the corner 17:39:08 <Stablean> *** made screenshot at 00022381: http://stable.openttdcoop.org/stable/webcam/00022381.png 17:39:26 <Stablean> <Mks> at sign !here 17:39:40 <Stablean> <Mks> wouldn't it be better for the coal trains to not acually merge with that line? 17:39:46 <Stablean> <Mks> the goods things I mean 17:40:00 <Stablean> <Mks> the coal thats comeing from the other way that is 17:40:07 <Stablean> <planetm4ker> possibly yes 17:40:39 <Stablean> <planetm4ker> that area wasn't re-designed for the traffic I have now 17:41:01 <Stablean> <Mks> ahh 17:41:16 <Stablean> <planetm4ker> the tracks are still from the time where I only had coal 17:41:26 <Stablean> <planetm4ker> but meanwhile I have more goods trains than coal, I guess 17:41:40 <Stablean> <Mks> I've played on some servers that restart every 3rd or 6th hours no point usually in building high traffic network then due to the fact mines never acually reach that high production 17:41:40 <Stablean> <planetm4ker> definitely yes 17:41:52 <Stablean> <Mks> yeah lots more goods :P 17:42:14 <Stablean> <planetm4ker> :-) 17:42:28 <Stablean> <planetm4ker> the beauty of a good network: you can just add trains 17:42:30 <Stablean> <planetm4ker> and it just works 17:42:40 <Stablean> <planetm4ker> well. up to a certain train density that is ;-) 17:42:42 <Stablean> <Mks> well to a certain point of course 17:42:49 <Stablean> <planetm4ker> :-) 17:43:19 <Stablean> <Mks> everything is so much easier if you don't have to do LL_RR 17:43:34 <Stablean> <planetm4ker> of course 17:44:12 <Stablean> <planetm4ker> damn... I built a join before split :-( 17:44:27 <Stablean> <Mks> I've read on some site ppl build 2x2 lines with overtake paths but mm I don't like to mix slow and fast trains in one network 17:44:41 <Stablean> <Mks> well if traffic isn't high thats not a problem 17:44:45 <Stablean> <planetm4ker> well. I nearly have 160km/h for every train 17:44:59 <Stablean> <planetm4ker> except the pax which can meanwhile go faster - if the tracks would allow :-P 17:45:42 <Stablean> <Mks> I guess you won't upgrade to monorail and maglev 17:45:48 <Stablean> <planetm4ker> of course not :-) 17:46:02 <Stablean> <Mks> I will I like it specially monorail is nice 17:46:12 <Stablean> <planetm4ker> on the other hand it wouldn't be too much of a hassle either 17:46:34 <Stablean> <Mks> the only hassle is to rebuild all trains 17:47:23 <Stablean> <Mks> there is no end to how many coal trains I have to add 17:47:33 <Stablean> <Mks> I've added like 30 and seems to be not enough 17:48:58 <Stablean> *** MrMouthy joined the game 17:49:05 <Stablean> <MrMouthy> Hi 17:49:09 <Stablean> <Mks> hi 17:49:23 <Stablean> <planetm4ker> Mks: I would need to re-build all trains. But then I only have 5 types 17:49:33 <Stablean> <planetm4ker> so I'd build each and then share orders 17:49:37 <Stablean> <planetm4ker> with the existing trains 17:49:43 <Stablean> <Mks> ahh true 17:49:43 <Stablean> <planetm4ker> half an hour or so at most 17:50:06 <Stablean> <Mks> well you have more then 5 pickup locations tho? 17:50:16 <Stablean> <planetm4ker> yes, I do 17:50:34 <Stablean> <planetm4ker> But no big deal IMHO 17:51:08 <Stablean> <planetm4ker> click on station. click on train. share orders. done 17:51:10 <Stablean> <planetm4ker> next 17:54:08 <Stablean> *** made screenshot at 0003DB85: http://stable.openttdcoop.org/stable/webcam/0003DB85.png 17:54:31 <Stablean> <Mks> true 17:54:49 <Stablean> <Mks> yeah upgrading isn't that much pain tho takes longer then replacing with a new loco :) 17:55:17 <Stablean> <planetm4ker> as said: it will fail majorly as soon as you have one single train newgrf 17:55:45 <Stablean> <planetm4ker> and there's no solution to that. None which does not involve to re-write major parts 17:59:09 <Stablean> *** made screenshot at 00037751: http://stable.openttdcoop.org/stable/webcam/00037751.png 18:04:09 <Stablean> *** made screenshot at 00007313: http://stable.openttdcoop.org/stable/webcam/00007313.png 18:05:18 <Stablean> <MrMouthy> Err planetmaker you've got a jam... 18:05:36 <Stablean> <planetm4ker> I know 18:05:42 <Stablean> <planetm4ker> one single big one 18:05:47 <Stablean> <MrMouthy> Uh huh 18:06:31 <Stablean> <planetm4ker> actually 18:06:37 <Stablean> <planetm4ker> I didn't know that one :-) 18:06:45 <Stablean> <MrMouthy> :P 18:08:41 <Stablean> <Mks> ohh 18:08:43 <Stablean> <Mks> tim 18:08:43 <Stablean> <Mks> mm 18:08:49 <Stablean> <Mks> upgrade to it or not 18:08:51 <Stablean> <Mks> alot faster 18:08:57 <Stablean> <Mks> but lose 1 coal wagon 18:09:09 <Stablean> *** made screenshot at 00003D8C: http://stable.openttdcoop.org/stable/webcam/00003D8C.png 18:10:36 <Stablean> <planetm4ker> let's get high-speed coal ;-) 18:14:09 <Stablean> *** made screenshot at 00029168: http://stable.openttdcoop.org/stable/webcam/00029168.png 18:19:14 <Stablean> *** made screenshot at 00024D5C: http://stable.openttdcoop.org/stable/webcam/00024D5C.png 18:24:09 <Stablean> *** made screenshot at 00039671: http://stable.openttdcoop.org/stable/webcam/00039671.png 18:28:46 <Stablean> <Mks> gah why doesn't pbs works as it should 18:28:58 <Stablean> <planetm4ker> it does ;-) 18:29:10 <Stablean> *** made screenshot at 0001E77D: http://stable.openttdcoop.org/stable/webcam/0001E77D.png 18:29:30 <Stablean> <Mks> wel 18:29:32 <Stablean> <Mks> it didn't 18:29:34 <Stablean> <Mks> it bugged out 18:29:48 <Stablean> <Mks> it still doesn't work for some reason 18:29:57 <Stablean> <planetm4ker> you mean, you messed up? 18:30:00 <Stablean> <MrMouthy> Lol 18:30:09 <Stablean> <Mks> check !here 18:30:19 <Stablean> <planetm4ker> yes? 18:30:29 <Stablean> <Mks> trains don't go to the empty plattforms even tho they should 18:31:15 <Stablean> <Mks> but why? 18:31:22 <Stablean> <Mks> stupid signal 18:31:25 <Stablean> <planetm4ker> they do? 18:31:25 <V453000> PBS consider penalties 18:31:27 <V453000> could be that 18:31:30 <Stablean> <planetm4ker> or am I blind? 18:31:32 <Stablean> <Mks> well 18:31:45 <Stablean> <planetm4ker> you have some stale reservations there, though, I think 18:31:53 <Stablean> <Mks> wait I am gona let some more trains get there at the same time 18:32:05 <Stablean> <Mks> doesn't really show otherwise 18:32:11 <Stablean> <planetm4ker> on the tracks I indicated 18:32:21 <Stablean> <planetm4ker> rebuild those tracks I indicated 18:32:27 <Stablean> <Mks> ahh yes they don't seem to like those tracks 18:32:33 <Stablean> <planetm4ker> only the straight one 18:32:39 <Stablean> <planetm4ker> not everything ;-) 18:32:43 <Stablean> <MrMouthy> :P 18:32:46 <Stablean> <planetm4ker> activate showing of track reservation 18:33:01 <V453000> OR dont use PBS :p 18:33:18 <Stablean> <Mks> mm where is it I enable that 18:33:32 <Stablean> <planetm4ker> strange 18:34:10 <Stablean> *** made screenshot at 0001C57C: http://stable.openttdcoop.org/stable/webcam/0001C57C.png 18:35:18 <Stablean> <Mks> ahh found the show reservation thing 18:35:44 <Stablean> <MrMouthy> looks like it works now 18:35:44 <Stablean> <Mks> seems to work now 18:36:12 <Stablean> <Mks> thnx 18:36:26 <Stablean> <Mks> but why are some tracks reserved when there is no train there 18:37:00 <Stablean> *** Player has left the game (leaving) 18:37:02 <Stablean> <MrMouthy> maybe from when u had trains coming in from the other direction? 18:37:16 <Stablean> <Mks> yeah its probarbly related to that but still 18:39:10 <Stablean> *** made screenshot at 000378A5: http://stable.openttdcoop.org/stable/webcam/000378A5.png 18:39:32 <Stablean> <Mks> I know PBS is bad sometimes but when tracks crossing its hard to build without pbs 18:39:54 <Stablean> <Mks> unless makeing station twice as wide and build plattforms with 1 tile gap 18:40:00 <planetmaker> Mks: did you tell trains to ignore signals or cause crashes? 18:40:10 <Stablean> <Mks> no 18:40:17 <planetmaker> or build signals while trains were going around there somewhere? 18:40:29 <Stablean> <Mks> I did remove some tracks cause they stoped at signals 18:40:35 <Stablean> <Mks> then rebuilt it 18:40:41 <Stablean> <Mks> or signlas rather 18:41:07 <Stablean> <planetm4ker> it shouldn't happen despite. But it needs a way to reproduce 18:41:49 <Stablean> <Mks> I mean the tracks got stuck reserved that must be a bug of some sort right? 18:42:47 <Stablean> <Mks> ohh you upgraded to TIM 18:43:34 <Stablean> <Mks> lol my transfer trains only have 2 coal wagons now :P 18:44:10 <Stablean> *** made screenshot at 0001C383: http://stable.openttdcoop.org/stable/webcam/0001C383.png 18:45:48 <Stablean> <Mks> ohh your forcing your trains to go to depot 18:45:50 <Stablean> <Mks> at some stations 18:46:10 <Stablean> <Mks> isn't that cheating :P 18:46:33 <V453000> I would expect more advantages than disadvantages from cheating :p 18:46:44 <Stablean> <Mks> planetmaker you know you could built it so they only enter depots when station plattforms are full 18:46:52 <Stablean> <Mks> well 18:47:06 <Stablean> <Mks> it do has it advantages to make trains go to depot 18:47:12 <Stablean> <Mks> if you have no room for trains to wait 18:47:24 <V453000> well yes but if there go all of them then it is rather a slowdown 18:47:39 <V453000> so a disadvantage as long as you use a reasonable amount of trains :) 18:47:51 <Stablean> <Mks> yeah but one way to make trains turn around without building a curve as well 18:48:05 <V453000> pointless advantage tbh 18:48:07 <planetmaker> hm... well, probably there's a way 18:48:11 <Stablean> <Mks> so you can have a ro ro station that takes no more room then a terminal 18:48:26 <Stablean> <Mks> well a little more room but not much 18:48:29 <planetmaker> and no, I built the depots so that excess trains don't clog the tracks 18:49:10 <Stablean> *** made screenshot at 000239B3: http://stable.openttdcoop.org/stable/webcam/000239B3.png 18:49:17 <Stablean> <Mks> yeah but with pre signals you can do it so it only enter when station is full 18:50:01 <Stablean> <Mks> it does take a little more room tho 18:50:32 <V453000> sure _ 18:50:34 <V453000> :) 18:50:41 <V453000> Henri does it that way I think 18:50:55 <V453000> or ... one of the ways :) 18:51:44 <Stablean> <Mks> yeah I've done it in some games 18:51:58 <Stablean> <Mks> if no room really for trains to wait so exess trains enter depot 18:53:37 <Stablean> <Mks> mm not finnished with your LLxRR yet planetmaker? 18:54:15 <Stablean> <Mks> I've built my LL_RR tho I have no junctions so it was quite easy :) 18:54:21 <Stablean> <Mks> and I don't really need it yet 18:54:24 <Stablean> <Mks> just for future use 18:59:15 <planetmaker> Mks: not really 18:59:26 <Stablean> <MrMouthy> planetmaker, mini-jam north of Hamdorf 18:59:29 <planetmaker> It needs building now a few SLHs 18:59:43 <planetmaker> But... I'm currently occupied outside the game 18:59:45 <Stablean> *** Player has joined spectators 19:00:13 <Stablean> <Mks> ahh 19:00:31 <Stablean> <Mks> ahhh 19:00:48 <Stablean> <Mks> you have a bad signal 19:00:54 <Stablean> <planetm4ker> where? 19:00:57 <Stablean> <Mks> sign 19:01:13 <Stablean> <planetm4ker> thank you 19:02:17 <Stablean> <Mks> mm the over sized sign 19:02:21 <Stablean> <Mks> a bit big station yes 19:02:24 <Stablean> *** Player has left the game (leaving) 19:02:33 <Stablean> <Mks> tho seems he have 1 station for 3 diffrent type of cargo 19:02:41 <Stablean> <Mks> I would have 3 diffrent stations instead 19:03:22 <Stablean> <Mks> like you do at farms 1 fore livestock 1 for grain 19:03:25 <Stablean> <MrMouthy> Does seem a bit big 19:03:45 <Stablean> <MrMouthy> I normally share a station for Livestock and grain I dunno why people seperate them 19:03:47 <Stablean> <Mks> yeah its a bit to big tho when mixing like that that you need to oversize stations a bit 19:03:53 <Stablean> <Mks> well 19:04:03 <Stablean> <Mks> cause often they produce alot more of 1 type 19:04:11 <Stablean> *** made screenshot at 0001635B: http://stable.openttdcoop.org/stable/webcam/0001635B.png 19:04:13 <Stablean> <Mks> so you maybe need twice as many grain trains 19:04:15 <Stablean> <Mks> as livestock 19:04:25 <Stablean> <MrMouthy> True but as long as you have enough platforms its normally fine 19:04:27 <Stablean> <Mks> so mixed trains is bad 19:04:29 <Stablean> <Mks> well 19:04:32 <Stablean> <Mks> yeah but 19:04:35 <Stablean> <MrMouthy> Oh I dont use mixed trains 19:04:41 <Stablean> <Mks> more efficent to have 2 diffrent stations side by side 19:04:41 <Stablean> <MrMouthy> Only share the station 19:04:55 <Stablean> <Mks> otherwise you could have like 2 grain and no lifestock at the station 19:05:09 <Stablean> <Mks> and that leads to reducing your station rating with lifestock 19:05:15 <Stablean> <Mks> wich leads to you get less livestock 19:05:35 <Stablean> <MrMouthy> Yeah I see what you mean but as long as its serviced with the right amount of trains I see no problem 19:09:11 <Stablean> *** made screenshot at 00006734: http://stable.openttdcoop.org/stable/webcam/00006734.png 19:11:23 <Stablean> <Plop> so when is everything gonna reset? 19:11:48 <Ammler> !date 19:11:48 <Stablean> Ammler: 14 Feb 1990 19:11:57 <Stablean> <MrMouthy> A bit soon for a reset? Theres been like 1 a day recently 19:12:02 <Ammler> in 100 years 19:12:13 <Stablean> <Mks> yeah around 2100 I guess 19:12:19 <Stablean> <Plop> ok :P 19:12:25 <Stablean> <Plop> cuz orange got monopoly lol 19:12:40 <Stablean> <Mks> not really 19:12:43 <Ammler> !companies 19:12:46 <Stablean> Ammler: Company 1 (Green): Henri Transport 19:12:46 <Stablean> Ammler: Company 2 (Dark Blue): EQ 19:12:46 <Stablean> Ammler: Company 3 (Orange): whyispaused Transport 19:12:46 <Stablean> Ammler: Company 4 (Red): Mks Transport 19:12:46 <Stablean> Ammler: Company 5 (Pink): OG Matautas Transport 19:12:46 <Stablean> Ammler: Company 6 (Purple): Player Transport 19:12:46 <Stablean> Ammler: Company 7 (White): Plop Transport 19:12:48 <Stablean> <Mks> + can always spawn new things 19:12:49 <Stablean> <MrMouthy> Thats the aim of the game ;) 19:13:03 <Ammler> is that planetmaker? 19:13:11 <planetmaker> yes 19:13:11 <Stablean> <MrMouthy> Yep 19:13:13 <Ammler> :-) 19:13:15 <Stablean> <Plop> really hard for the small transports like meh :( 19:13:21 <Ammler> !players 19:13:24 <Stablean> Ammler: Client 76 is MrMouthy, a spectator 19:13:24 <Stablean> Ammler: Client 66 (White) is Plop, in company 7 (Plop Transport) 19:13:24 <Stablean> Ammler: Client 38 (Orange) is planetm4ker, in company 3 (whyispaused Transport) 19:13:24 <Stablean> Ammler: Client 42 (Red) is Mks, in company 4 (Mks Transport) 19:13:35 <planetmaker> well. I started to coop with some guy. But he left. I continued ;-) 19:13:35 <Stablean> <Mks> well I don't have that much 19:13:37 <Stablean> <Mks> only 5 coal mines 19:13:48 <Stablean> <Plop> hehe 19:13:50 <Stablean> <Mks> I do have alot of money tho 19:14:10 <planetmaker> MrMouthy: there's still a lot of industries which can be connected 19:14:11 <Stablean> *** made screenshot at 0001EF84: http://stable.openttdcoop.org/stable/webcam/0001EF84.png 19:14:14 <Stablean> <Mks> there are still lots of things to connect tho 19:14:20 <planetmaker> I only connected those which are on my two tracks 19:14:28 <Stablean> *** Player has joined spectators 19:14:28 <Stablean> *** Player has joined company #6 19:14:36 <planetmaker> and even there... not all 19:14:40 <Stablean> <Plop> thats like 50% of the map :P 19:14:42 <Stablean> <MrMouthy> I didnt say there wasnt :P 19:15:19 <planetmaker> Plop, hardly :-) 19:15:29 <Stablean> *** Player has left the game (leaving) 19:15:45 <Stablean> <planetm4ker> as I didn't connect everything there either 19:15:53 <Stablean> <planetm4ker> like, I transport neither wood nor oil 19:15:59 <Stablean> <planetm4ker> nor do I connect more than two towns 19:16:03 <Stablean> <Plop> hehe 19:16:17 <Stablean> <Plop> but i love it how u build all this ^^ 19:16:27 <Stablean> <planetm4ker> I'm coop ;-) 19:16:51 <Stablean> <planetm4ker> rather: part of :-) 19:16:59 <Stablean> <Plop> hehe 19:17:11 <Stablean> <Plop> i gotta invite a friend to coop with aswell :( 19:17:45 <Stablean> <MrMouthy> coop as in Openttdcoop not co-op :P 19:17:59 <Stablean> <planetm4ker> :-) 19:18:36 <Stablean> <Plop> whats openttdcoop? 19:18:48 <Stablean> <planetm4ker> do you know this server's name? 19:18:52 <Stablean> <Plop> i played ttd long time, but this multiplayer stuff is all new for me 19:19:11 <Stablean> *** made screenshot at 000237B2: http://stable.openttdcoop.org/stable/webcam/000237B2.png 19:20:53 <Stablean> <MrMouthy> Check the site probably the best way to find out 19:21:07 <Stablean> <planetm4ker> we're a bunch of guys who build insane networks. All together in one company 19:21:20 <Stablean> <Plop> thats nice xD 19:21:24 <Stablean> <MrMouthy> :P 19:22:08 <Stablean> <MrMouthy> I still think you guys should give the welcome server more love, it lags like hell when we have a certain amount of trains :'( 19:22:24 <Stablean> <planetm4ker> it does 19:22:45 <Stablean> <MrMouthy> Yeah to the point where people cant join anymore... then refresh time 19:22:50 <Stablean> <planetm4ker> this server costs me 20€ a month. And I pay only half of it 19:23:14 <Stablean> <planetm4ker> the machine just isn't faster 19:23:24 <Stablean> <planetm4ker> and it runs some other services, too 19:23:26 <Stablean> <MrMouthy> Oh you guys rent 19:24:07 <Stablean> <Mks> can't you have a server at home for free or isn't that legal? 19:24:11 <Stablean> *** made screenshot at 0001EB7C: http://stable.openttdcoop.org/stable/webcam/0001EB7C.png 19:24:14 <Stablean> <planetm4ker> that's legal 19:24:21 <Stablean> <planetm4ker> But connectivity would suck 19:24:25 <Stablean> <Mks> ohh why 19:24:32 <Stablean> <Plop> upload 19:24:34 <Stablean> <planetm4ker> And it wouldn't be better 19:24:34 <Stablean> <MrMouthy> Not if you have a decent connection? :P 19:24:38 <Stablean> <MrMouthy> Oh upload true 19:24:45 <Stablean> <Plop> i got nice connection 19:24:53 <Stablean> <Plop> got 10mbps upload 19:24:55 <Stablean> <planetm4ker> MrMouthy: there are no 100Mbit lines to home 19:24:55 <Stablean> <Mks> yeah you can get 1Gbit here down and 100mbit up 19:25:06 <Stablean> <Mks> well 100/100 is not problem 19:25:08 <Stablean> <planetm4ker> you can't here 19:25:14 <Stablean> <Plop> 100/100 = $$$$? 19:25:16 <Stablean> <MrMouthy> Well there starting to roll them out in the uk at least 19:25:18 <Stablean> <planetm4ker> unless you pay the same for your home connection as for the server right now 19:25:24 <Stablean> <Mks> you can't in the town I live but in others you can 19:25:30 <Stablean> <planetm4ker> and then there's the hardware which I lack, too 19:25:32 <Stablean> <MrMouthy> But a lot of other European countries have nice speeds from what I know 19:25:46 <Stablean> <Plop> netherlands here xD 19:25:54 <Stablean> <planetm4ker> There are to my knowledge rarely GBit or 100Mbit things 19:26:04 <Stablean> <Mks> 100/100 is 85 dollars a month 19:26:46 <Stablean> <Plop> i gettin upgraded to 120Mbps soon :D 19:26:48 <Stablean> <Mks> 1gbit/100mbit up is 140 dollars 19:26:50 <Stablean> <MrMouthy> :o 19:27:14 <Stablean> <Mks> is 10mbit up to bad connection for a server? 19:27:16 <Stablean> <MrMouthy> They are traialing 100mbps here atm but only to certain customers :/ 19:27:44 <planetmaker> Mks: that's definitely too expensive for my taste 19:27:49 <Stablean> <Plop> i dont think OpenTTD needs a big upload connection 19:27:51 <planetmaker> So yes, of course one can get it 19:28:02 <planetmaker> Plop: then you'd take ages to connect 19:28:11 <Stablean> <Plop> hehe :P 19:28:17 <Stablean> <Plop> thats annoying 19:28:22 <planetmaker> exactly 19:29:11 <Stablean> *** made screenshot at 000285A0: http://stable.openttdcoop.org/stable/webcam/000285A0.png 19:29:30 <Stablean> <Mks> well you canget 100mbit down 10mbit up for 35 dollars a month 19:29:40 <Stablean> <planetm4ker> upstream is the important thing 19:29:51 <Stablean> <Mks> and mm 10 is a bit on the low side? 19:29:53 <Stablean> <planetm4ker> if you run services. Downstream is of less importance there 19:29:57 <Stablean> <Mks> yeah true 19:30:01 <Stablean> <MrMouthy> Whats the speed of the Welcome stable? 19:31:34 <Stablean> <Mks> mm another company has 100/100 for 53 euro 19:31:41 <Stablean> <Mks> a bit expensive for a home connection I guess 19:34:00 <Stablean> <planetm4ker> Mks: no point running it at home, if it's more expensive than 40€ 19:34:06 <Stablean> <planetm4ker> because power also costs 19:34:09 <Stablean> <planetm4ker> as does hardware 19:34:12 <Stablean> *** made screenshot at 0002B198: http://stable.openttdcoop.org/stable/webcam/0002B198.png 19:34:26 <Stablean> <V453000> hi 19:34:26 <Stablean> *** V453000 joined the game 19:34:30 <Stablean> <MrMouthy> Hi 19:34:30 <Stablean> <planetm4ker> (cost for connection more expensive than 40€) 19:34:32 <Stablean> <planetm4ker> hi 19:34:43 <Stablean> <Mks> ahh true 19:34:45 <Stablean> <Plop> hi 19:35:31 <Stablean> <Mks> so 20€ a month includes hardware? 19:35:37 <Stablean> <V453000> pm: signal gap in front of factory drop 19:35:43 <Stablean> <planetm4ker> it's a rented server. For 40€ 19:35:43 <Stablean> <V453000> on the split 19:36:09 <Stablean> <planetm4ker> thx 19:36:35 <Stablean> <planetm4ker> hm... pickup needs a fix 19:36:58 <Stablean> <planetm4ker> so... depot usage with trains passing when the station is not full? 19:37:00 <Stablean> <V453000> well forced overflow sucks imo :) 19:37:10 <Stablean> <planetm4ker> re-build it :-) 19:37:13 <Stablean> <V453000> why 19:37:15 <Stablean> <V453000> :) 19:37:21 <Stablean> <V453000> not my network 19:38:09 <Stablean> <V453000> but if you want :p 19:38:09 <Ammler> !players 19:38:12 <Stablean> Ammler: Client 76 is MrMouthy, a spectator 19:38:12 <Stablean> Ammler: Client 66 (White) is Plop, in company 7 (Plop Transport) 19:38:12 <Stablean> Ammler: Client 38 (Orange) is planetm4ker, in company 3 (whyispaused Transport) 19:38:12 <Stablean> Ammler: Client 42 (Red) is Mks, in company 4 (Mks Transport) 19:38:12 <Stablean> Ammler: Client 84 is V453000, a spectator 19:38:22 <V453000> !rcon move 84 3 19:38:22 <Stablean> V453000: *** V453000 has joined company #3 19:38:41 <Stablean> <planetm4ker> ho 19:38:47 <Ammler> !rcon min_active_clients 19:38:47 <Stablean> Ammler: ERROR: command not found 19:38:50 <Ammler> !rcon set min_active_clients 19:38:50 <Stablean> Ammler: Current value for 'min_active_clients' is: '1' (min: 0, max: 255) 19:38:51 <Stablean> <MrMouthy> Lol 19:39:12 <Stablean> *** made screenshot at 0001157F: http://stable.openttdcoop.org/stable/webcam/0001157F.png 19:39:16 <Ammler> why was paused? 19:39:20 <Stablean> <V453000> no ieda 19:39:23 <Stablean> <V453000> probably wasnt 19:39:25 <Stablean> <V453000> :) 19:41:42 <Stablean> <planetm4ker> oh... that kind of solution :-) 19:41:49 <Stablean> <V453000> kind of 19:41:55 <Stablean> <V453000> this might not actually work :D 19:41:57 <Stablean> <V453000> yet 19:42:15 <Stablean> <planetm4ker> uhm... I think you connect to the wrong track 19:42:20 <Stablean> <planetm4ker> at x is still ML 19:42:43 <Stablean> <V453000> that doesnt matter now :) 19:42:47 <Stablean> <planetm4ker> yep 19:42:57 <Stablean> <V453000> hmm 19:43:01 <Stablean> <V453000> lets say this works 19:43:09 <Stablean> <V453000> maybe not the best possible way 19:43:18 <Stablean> <planetm4ker> does it? 19:43:29 <Stablean> <planetm4ker> the station's empty and every thing went to the depot? 19:43:31 <Stablean> <V453000> missing signals :) 19:44:12 <Stablean> *** made screenshot at 0001DDB6: http://stable.openttdcoop.org/stable/webcam/0001DDB6.png 19:45:06 <Stablean> <Mks> lol complicated way to make a depot when station full :P 19:45:20 <Stablean> <V453000> im just trying something else than I do mostly 19:46:22 <Stablean> <V453000> thats quite bad Mks 19:46:25 <Stablean> <Mks> well it works 19:46:33 <Stablean> <Mks> its no good with lots of trains tho 19:46:35 <Stablean> <V453000> this works better 19:46:42 <Stablean> <Mks> well 19:47:09 <Stablean> <Mks> whats better with your example? 19:47:11 <Stablean> <V453000> no, it isnt the same :) 19:47:21 <Stablean> <MrMouthy> 1 signal difference? :P 19:47:23 <Stablean> <V453000> your example can release the train from the depot at a wrong time 19:47:33 <Stablean> <Mks> ahh thats true 19:47:35 <Stablean> <Mks> but 19:47:53 <V453000> @blog overflows 19:47:56 <Webster> Search Result for overflows at #openttdcoop - http://www.openttdcoop.org/blog/?s=overflows 19:48:04 <Stablean> <Mks> would that work? 19:48:13 <V453000> http://blog.openttdcoop.org/2010/04/26/advanced-building-revue-04-overflows/ see this for some more 19:48:21 <V453000> although it is a very basic article in these days :) 19:48:26 <Stablean> <V453000> no it wouldnt 19:48:30 <Stablean> <V453000> trains would leave depot 19:48:56 <Stablean> <Mks> ahh 19:49:12 <Stablean> *** made screenshot at 00035F79: http://stable.openttdcoop.org/stable/webcam/00035F79.png 19:53:01 <Stablean> <Mks> tis should work tho? 19:53:11 <Stablean> <V453000> depends 19:53:19 <Stablean> <Mks> and it won't slow down trains 19:53:21 <Stablean> <V453000> like this it wouldnt 19:53:31 <Stablean> <V453000> you would need some traps and 2way signals 19:53:43 <Stablean> <V453000> anyway, forcing PBS for overflows is probably pointless 19:53:55 <Stablean> <V453000> and you definitely can not reach as good performance as with pre-signals 19:54:12 <Stablean> *** made screenshot at 00003F8E: http://stable.openttdcoop.org/stable/webcam/00003F8E.png 19:54:43 <Stablean> <Mks> point of building something similar to that is you can have heavy traffic incoming and still get trains to go to depot without slowing down the other trains 19:54:52 <Stablean> <V453000> sure 19:55:00 <Stablean> <V453000> that is possible to do other ways :) 19:56:23 <Stablean> <Mks> well I guess your way does that kinda of? 19:56:34 <Stablean> <V453000> ? 19:56:44 <Stablean> <Mks> at the goods pickup 19:56:51 <Stablean> <V453000> whats with it 19:56:59 <Stablean> <Mks> it makes train enter depot when station is full? 19:57:05 <Stablean> <V453000> sure 19:57:11 <Stablean> <Mks> without acually hindering other incoming trains? 19:57:26 <Stablean> <V453000> should do that, yes 19:57:34 <Stablean> <V453000> but the throughput isnt absolutely best 19:57:40 <Stablean> <V453000> but it should be able to handle quite a bit 19:59:13 <Stablean> *** made screenshot at 0001B6CA: http://stable.openttdcoop.org/stable/webcam/0001B6CA.png 20:00:33 <Stablean> <V453000> see our train 183 20:01:33 <Stablean> <MrMouthy> Is such a mess really necessary though? 20:03:04 <Stablean> <Mks> ahh 20:03:10 <Stablean> <V453000> for given requirements, it is. 20:03:20 <Stablean> <V453000> if you call it "mess" ... 20:03:27 <Stablean> <Mks> yeah its a mess :P 20:03:30 <Stablean> <V453000> let me inform you that this is rather simple yet 20:03:46 <Stablean> <Mks> well its not that messy but 20:03:46 <Stablean> <MrMouthy> It is a mess though :P I mean half of that track is just for routing 20:04:06 <Stablean> <MrMouthy> I know things like that work really well but just seems a bit much 20:04:13 <Stablean> *** made screenshot at 00018EB4: http://stable.openttdcoop.org/stable/webcam/00018EB4.png 20:04:28 <Stablean> <Mks> mm yeah I prefer things compact :P 20:04:53 <Stablean> <V453000> if you consider all this, you can use space you normally would leave empty 20:05:11 <Stablean> <Mks> well true 20:05:27 <Stablean> <Mks> but it still takes more room then something thats not like that 20:05:38 <Stablean> <V453000> sure 20:05:48 <Stablean> <V453000> but it can change the performance drastically 20:05:54 <Stablean> <Mks> also with a high TL it would take alot of room 20:06:07 <Stablean> <V453000> high TL is bad, as I already said many times :) 20:06:09 <Stablean> <Mks> like TL10 20:07:17 <Stablean> <Mks> well 20:07:23 <Stablean> <Mks> like I said I like igh tl :P 20:07:25 <Stablean> <Mks> or well 20:07:29 <Stablean> <Mks> tl 6-10 20:07:33 <Stablean> <V453000> I dont really care what is "liked" 20:07:36 <Stablean> <Mks> high really makes everything big 20:07:46 <Stablean> <V453000> unneccessarily 20:07:46 <Stablean> <Mks> I think tl 3 is a bit short 20:07:48 <Stablean> <V453000> usually 20:07:55 <Stablean> <Mks> tl 5 is ok tho 20:08:28 <Stablean> <V453000> TL3 is imo the most versatile, most usable, most fun to use 20:08:50 <Stablean> <Mks> well from when I played on PS server tl 5 seemed quite common 20:09:03 <Stablean> <V453000> CL3 is quite friendly, priorities can be quite short, waiting spaces are short, everything else can be short :p 20:09:09 <Stablean> <V453000> TL5 is quite standard 20:09:13 <Stablean> *** made screenshot at 0001F97C: http://stable.openttdcoop.org/stable/webcam/0001F97C.png 20:09:19 <Stablean> <V453000> although TL3 may be more frequently used 20:09:23 <Stablean> <V453000> not sure 20:09:25 <Stablean> <V453000> quite even 20:09:29 <Stablean> <V453000> but still :) 20:09:40 <Stablean> <Mks> longer TL hardly ever used? 20:09:55 <Stablean> <V453000> more than TL5 is really bad imo 20:10:00 <Stablean> <V453000> for normal trains 20:10:11 <Stablean> <Mks> why? 20:10:21 <Stablean> <V453000> you just dont need to have CL10 20:10:23 <Stablean> <V453000> and such 20:10:23 <Stablean> <Mks> well if you do like I do now transfer 20:10:33 <Stablean> <Mks> tl 5 is a bit short 20:10:33 <Stablean> <V453000> transfering is utterly boring 20:10:35 <Stablean> <V453000> hubs are better 20:10:50 <Stablean> <MrMouthy> ^ 20:11:03 <Stablean> <Mks> hubs? 20:11:08 <V453000> junctions 20:11:09 <V453000> crossings 20:11:13 <Stablean> <Mks> ahhh 20:11:16 <V453000> anyhow you like :) 20:11:32 <Stablean> <MrMouthy> I love having agiant network with lots of junctions, nice to watch :P 20:11:50 <Stablean> <V453000> well mainly it is fun to build 20:12:04 <Stablean> <MrMouthy> True 20:12:10 <Stablean> <V453000> transfers are like point-to-point 20:12:41 <Stablean> <V453000> there are of course cases when I consider transfering great, but that is probably only with pax :) 20:14:13 <Stablean> <V453000> planetm4ker: I will leave there the example if you dont mind having a few trains "doing nothing" :p 20:14:13 <Stablean> *** made screenshot at 00011B3A: http://stable.openttdcoop.org/stable/webcam/00011B3A.png 20:14:21 <Stablean> <V453000> and I am off :p 20:14:21 <Stablean> <V453000> cya 20:14:23 <Stablean> *** V453000 has left the game (leaving) 20:14:41 <Stablean> <Henri> hi 20:14:42 <Stablean> *** Henri joined the game 20:15:02 <Stablean> <MrMouthy> Hi 20:19:13 <Stablean> *** made screenshot at 00032D5C: http://stable.openttdcoop.org/stable/webcam/00032D5C.png 20:19:21 <V453000> Mks: http://blog.openttdcoop.org/files/blog/V453000/_Overflow_TL.png 20:19:32 <V453000> high TL sucks :P 20:19:32 <V453000> :D 20:24:14 <Stablean> *** made screenshot at 0001C13E: http://stable.openttdcoop.org/stable/webcam/0001C13E.png 20:26:22 <Mks> haha 20:26:58 <Stablean> *** Mks has joined spectators 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