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09:31:56  <Stablean> <ruarai> whats it paused for?
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09:33:31  <planetmaker> !auto
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09:33:39  <planetmaker> !rcon clients
09:33:39  <Stablean> planetmaker: Client #1  name: 'Stablean'  company: 255  IP: 0.0.0.0
09:33:39  <Stablean> planetmaker: Client #32  name: 'whyispaused'  company: 255  IP: 114.76.113.103
09:33:39  <Stablean> planetmaker: Client #34  name: 'nooby'  company: 255  IP: 78.106.61.65
09:33:50  <Stablean> <whyispaused> whats that do?
09:33:54  <planetmaker> why should the game unpaused, if no-one plays?
09:34:02  <Stablean> <nooby> paused cause we observees
09:34:10  <planetmaker> exactly
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09:38:51  <planetmaker> !date
09:38:51  <Stablean> planetmaker: 30 Dec 1949
09:38:56  <planetmaker> !date
09:38:56  <Stablean> planetmaker:  1 Jan 1950
09:39:41  <Stablean> <ruarai> aw fuck
09:39:51  <Stablean> <ruarai> it says it accepts goods i make the trains and it doesnt
09:40:03  <planetmaker> houses change
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09:40:32  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> hi
09:40:48  <Stablean> <nooby> hi
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09:44:29  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> yellow, I'd terraform slightly where you have that tiny bridge with the ugly bend
09:44:35  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> or is that (still) too expensive?
09:45:00  <Stablean> <ruarai> nope
09:45:48  <planetmaker> !rcon clients
09:45:48  <Stablean> planetmaker: Client #1  name: 'Stablean'  company: 255  IP: 0.0.0.0
09:45:48  <Stablean> planetmaker: Client #36  name: 'ruarai'  company: 3  IP: 114.76.113.103
09:45:48  <Stablean> planetmaker: Client #34  name: 'nooby'  company: 2  IP: 78.106.61.65
09:45:48  <Stablean> planetmaker: Client #38  name: 'planetm4ker'  company: 255  IP: 92.76.123.73
09:45:57  <planetmaker> !rcon move 38 3
09:45:57  <Stablean> planetmaker: *** planetm4ker has joined company #3
09:46:23  <Stablean> <ruarai> what are you in my company for?
09:46:29  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> I placed a sign :-)
09:46:37  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> I won't spend any money, no worries
09:46:40  <Stablean> <ruarai> ok
09:46:51  <Stablean> <ruarai> oh that bit was just temporary
09:46:53  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> at your pickup: I'd build there a straight line
09:46:55  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> ok
09:47:07  <Stablean> <ruarai> there was a station at innsberg before
09:47:09  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> you could (and should) still double-track it there
09:47:19  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> yeah. like that
09:47:45  <Stablean> <ruarai> aw fck
09:47:45  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> outch :-(
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09:49:23  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> luckily enough money to recover :-)
09:49:31  <Stablean> <ruarai> yeah
09:49:43  <Stablean> <ruarai> and i could just get more loan
09:49:46  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> right
09:50:03  <Stablean> <ruarai> im just trying to pay all that off
09:50:33  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> might be worth to rather spend the loan on other profitable routes
09:50:45  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> then you'll soon get so much money that you cannot spend it fast enough
09:51:03  <Stablean> <ruarai> whats a good profitable route?
09:51:14  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> coal usually is very profitable
09:51:23  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> and long-distance
09:52:07  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> see the two signs !here
09:52:10  <Stablean> <ruarai> and not relying on another company would be best, like im doing
09:52:16  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> yep
09:52:37  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> or maybe to !other powerplant
09:52:39  <Stablean> <ruarai> i was doing
09:53:05  <Stablean> <ruarai> this>this
09:53:19  <Stablean> <ruarai> too short?
09:53:32  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> that's quite short
09:53:42  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> you make much more money, if you go a longer distance
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09:53:58  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> you could go from that mine to !other powerplant
09:54:01  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> for example
09:54:50  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> have a look at the diagramme which shows you the cargo rates
09:55:13  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> there coal is quite high. And has a very shallow slope
09:55:20  <Stablean> <ruarai> yeah
09:55:27  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> thus you even get money, if it's delivered slow
09:56:47  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> :-)
09:56:53  <Stablean> <ruarai> thanks
09:58:50  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> may I connect another mine to the same line?
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09:59:02  <Stablean> <ruarai> sure
10:03:09  <Stablean> <ruarai> someone should make roads like train tracks
10:03:11  <Stablean> <ruarai> diagnol
10:03:38  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> that's VERY difficult
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10:04:01  <Stablean> <ruarai> just got ,000 from the coal
10:04:11  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> yep :-)
10:04:35  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> btw, don't worry that I just moved into your company.
10:04:41  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> People generally cannot do that
10:04:52  <Stablean> <ruarai> yeah i know
10:04:53  <Stablean> <ruarai> password
10:05:02  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> yep. And it's good that you have one
10:05:52  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> And those people who can on this server won't harm anyone :-)
10:06:02  <Stablean> <ruarai> ok
10:06:02  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> they'll always ask
10:06:28  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> before they do something. Just for placing a sign (which a spectator can't) it might sometimes seem opportune to go to a company)
10:06:55  <Stablean> <ruarai> ok
10:08:23  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> another 35k €
10:08:27  <Stablean> <ruarai> yep
10:08:43  <V453000> !date
10:08:43  <Stablean> V453000: 30 Jan 1952
10:08:51  <Stablean> ***  made screenshot at 00037C62: http://stable.openttdcoop.org/stable/webcam/00037C62.png
10:09:02  <V453000> !info
10:09:02  <Stablean> V453000: http://stable.openttdcoop.org
10:09:07  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> shall we do that?
10:09:18  <Stablean> <ruarai> yep
10:09:26  <V453000> :O game without newGRFs? :(
10:10:29  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> do you know ctrl+drag signals?
10:10:56  <Stablean> <ruarai> yeah but never found out how to change directions when doing that
10:11:10  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> not drag, but ctrl+drag :-)
10:11:18  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> then it follows the track to the next split
10:11:28  <Stablean> <ruarai> ill try
10:12:16  <Ammler> [12:09] <V453000>  game without newGRFs?  <-- I am sorry :-(
10:12:29  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> I like it, Ammler :-)
10:13:14  <V453000> Ammler: no problem with me :) it just sucks :P
10:13:32  <Ammler> we lost all saves since Aug
10:13:40  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> we didn't do any...
10:13:43  <V453000> :o ok
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10:14:13  <Stablean> <ruarai> oh crap
10:14:24  <Stablean> <ruarai> i didnt know there was two trains there
10:14:27  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> hm?
10:14:41  <Stablean> <ruarai> they crashed
10:14:43  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> oh
10:15:18  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> sorry
10:16:09  <V453000> Ammler: you can always look up my folder on blog :P
10:16:18  <V453000> all of them should be good to use :)
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10:17:04  <Stablean> <V453000> elo
10:17:32  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> hey
10:17:38  <Stablean> <V453000> hi pm :)
10:18:47  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> your money issues are virtually gone :-)
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10:18:54  <Stablean> <ruarai> yeah
10:19:24  <Stablean> <ruarai> how do you make the directions with control-d?
10:19:26  <Stablean> <V453000> check Regensfurt Mines btw
10:19:34  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> which directions?
10:19:41  <Stablean> <ruarai> signal direction
10:19:47  <Stablean> <V453000> signals? just click multiple times when building
10:20:01  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> I just click on an existing signal and then ctrl+drag it in the tracks direction I want to fill it
10:20:07  <Stablean> <ruarai> ah
10:20:25  <Stablean> <ruarai> thanks
10:20:29  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> np
10:20:32  <Stablean> <V453000> :) have fun
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10:21:13  <Mks> mm
10:21:15  <Mks> I guess
10:21:21  <Mks> next game will be with newgrf?
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10:22:00  <V453000> suur
10:22:13  <Mks> I mean I don't mind playing without trainset sometimes
10:22:13  <Mks> but
10:22:24  <Stablean> <ruarai> last game i played had a good scenario
10:22:26  <Mks> one reason to play on this server is due to all the awesome newgrfs :)
10:22:29  <V453000> well the original train set is good
10:22:38  <V453000> but the rest like stations usually is missing :p
10:22:42  <Mks> yeah
10:22:46  <V453000> basecosts are also quite important
10:22:49  <Stablean> <ruarai> is there a way to see where to get scenarios played on the server?
10:23:19  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> we don't keep tracks of what was played on this one
10:23:25  <V453000> but since this is RC1 and not many people play with it yet, so even a game without newGRFs doesnt attract so many newby people who rather destroy the map :)
10:23:39  <V453000> planetmaker: I have all the savegames though :p
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10:23:56  <Stablean> <ruarai> ``
10:24:20  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> he @ V45300
10:24:23  <Mks> mm
10:24:40  <Mks> why are you using basecost mod 1.3 and not 1.4 btw?
10:24:48  <V453000> blog :)
10:25:26  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> ruarai: I expanded the power station's station
10:25:43  <Stablean> <ruarai> cool
10:26:13  <Stablean> <ruarai> im making another coal station behind the coal station which is behind the coal station
10:26:28  <V453000> Mks: u mean 3.1?
10:26:39  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> yup :-)
10:27:10  <Mks> ahh no it said basecost mod presets 1.4
10:27:37  <Mks> I can't read :P
10:27:42  <Ammler> doesn't really matter, 1.4 just has another preset
10:27:48  <Mks> ahh
10:28:08  <V453000> I hate presets tbh
10:28:12  <Mks> btw the thing that luukland has so you only can TF 50 tiles a month thats something you need to patch the servers for?
10:28:15  <Ammler> which preset is in use?
10:28:16  <V453000> I like to set everything just as I want :)
10:28:21  <Mks> lol
10:28:29  <Mks> well just make a V453000 preset then :P
10:28:40  <V453000> I change it every game if you noticed
10:28:40  <Ammler> V453000: default preset is my preset :-P
10:28:52  <V453000> as fits the map
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10:28:58  <Ammler> maybe almost unplayable hard
10:29:19  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> ruarai: it's not. Mostly it's maps which are prepared and then uploaded
10:29:30  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> Anyone can basically propose and supply a map
10:29:36  <V453000> still :) I think every scenario demands other preset, not like "hard wtf BBQ" for all
10:29:38  <Stablean> <ruarai> oh
10:29:44  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> we prepare it ourselves
10:29:52  <Stablean> *** Mks has started a new company (#4)
10:30:01  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> if you have a map you want to be played. Propose it when this game is 'done'
10:30:03  <Stablean> <ruarai> because there was a good scenario on last time i joined
10:30:17  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> ah. Yeah. Maybe someone proposed it
10:30:23  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> or prepared. Dunno :-)
10:30:33  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> V45 has all of those still, he said
10:30:41  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> so you should sweet-talk him ;-)
10:30:43  <V453000> I have all of the games I proposed
10:30:52  <V453000> but I dont remember any other games being played here :)
10:31:06  <V453000> only a few ... maybe 2 were from someone else
10:31:54  <Mks> I want to make a game but you probarbly not gona like the trainset I wana use
10:32:07  <V453000> show me, we can always discuss
10:32:20  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> we don't have to like it
10:32:23  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> But it has to be on bananas
10:32:30  <Stablean> <Mks> yes ofc
10:33:00  <Stablean> <ruarai> planet, i made the power station a ro-ro
10:33:06  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> hm, yes
10:33:10  <Stablean> <Mks> well I haven't made a save yet
10:33:12  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> a very slow one
10:33:21  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> your curves are very very sharp
10:33:42  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> so the exit is currently not better than the terminus I made
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10:33:54  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> you need the curve length as long as the trains
10:34:35  <Stablean> <ruarai> better?
10:34:40  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> not really :-P
10:35:17  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> those things I indicated. Those are the slow parts
10:35:23  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> now
10:35:41  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> :-( don't TF so much
10:37:35  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> these very steep curves make a train slow-down a lot
10:37:41  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> such they will cause jams :-)
10:37:49  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> not that I modified some junctions, too
10:37:56  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> they don't have those steep curves anymore either
10:38:06  <Stablean> <Mks> well only when you have alot of traffic really
10:38:12  <Stablean> <ruarai> i once downloaded a save file that was almost all junctions had a 90 degree turn
10:38:16  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> Mks: slow-down always
10:38:21  <Stablean> <Mks> yes but
10:38:27  <Stablean> <Mks> with slow trains and little traffic
10:38:29  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> ruarai: that doesn't make the game better
10:38:32  <Stablean> <Mks> its not as affecting
10:38:44  <Stablean> <ruarai> i know
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10:38:56  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> 
10:39:07  <Stablean> <ruarai> i just dont know why the person making the save file didnt notice them slow down at them
10:39:22  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> loan repaid
10:39:30  <Stablean> <ruarai> cool
10:39:42  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> probably for the same reason you built the steep curves
10:39:54  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> they were there. Better never build them in the first place
10:40:46  <Stablean> <Mks> sometimes hard to avoid building to step curves tho if its late in a game and your using a high TL
10:41:00  <Stablean> <ruarai> TL?
10:41:18  <Stablean> <Mks> train lenght
10:41:21  <V453000> why do you use high TL then :)
10:41:29  <Stablean> <Mks> cause I like long trains :)
10:41:41  <Stablean> <Mks> well I like short also
10:41:53  <Stablean> <Mks> but for long distance long trains makes sence
10:42:30  <V453000> well not much of a reason :)
10:43:05  <Stablean> <Mks> it is :)
10:43:24  <V453000> the main point imo is - how many junctions you have and how much curves will you need/use
10:43:42  <V453000> if you have a straight track without hubs, even TL 50 is no problem
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10:43:55  <V453000> with an actual network, you wouldnt be able to do shit :)
10:44:05  <Stablean> <Mks> why not?
10:44:13  <Stablean> <Mks> well TL 50 is maybe a bit hihg
10:44:19  <Stablean> <Mks> but TL 20 network you coul do
10:44:21  <Stablean> <Mks> could
10:44:22  <V453000> no
10:44:25  <V453000> CL20 is super insane
10:44:30  <V453000> try to build even CL10 hub
10:44:33  <V453000> you will shit blood
10:44:34  <Stablean> <Mks> I know
10:44:37  <Stablean> <Mks> haha
10:44:39  <Stablean> <Mks> well
10:44:49  <Stablean> <Mks> I had a TL 10 network in a game
10:45:04  <Stablean> <Mks> a ring with cl 10
10:45:10  <Stablean> <Mks> and several connections to it
10:45:22  <Stablean> <Mks> no real mm hub perhaps
10:45:48  <V453000> I dont say it isnt possible :) it only is extremely life-hogging and you probably need a very flat/smooth map I guess
10:46:01  <Stablean> <Mks> well or avoid curves :)
10:46:10  <V453000> and well ... tracks without hubs are just nonsense imo
10:46:20  <V453000> kind of ..
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10:47:16  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> I added two further coal mines
10:47:26  <Stablean> <ruarai> i saw
10:47:32  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> use bridges
10:47:36  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> and connect to my line I built there
10:47:42  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> :-)
10:47:42  <Stablean> <Mks> ohh signaling is alot more expensive with basecost mod?
10:48:38  <V453000> no
10:48:45  <V453000> some train sets make it more expensive
10:48:49  <Stablean> <Mks> ahh
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10:48:53  <V453000> but I think only DB set influences it
10:48:57  <Stablean> <Mks> cause it was insanely expensive last game
10:49:01  <V453000> signals?
10:49:05  <Stablean> <Mks> yeah
10:49:05  <V453000> hmm maybe japan too
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10:57:11  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> I started an iron ore service
10:57:47  <Stablean> <ruarai> where?
10:57:53  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> all across the map :-)
10:57:57  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> using our coal lines
10:57:59  <Stablean> <ruarai> ah there
10:58:05  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> steel plant in the corner
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11:03:47  <Stablean> <ruarai> the coal mines producing the most coal are right next to the main power station...
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11:03:55  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> use a few trucks
11:07:56  <Stablean> <ruarai> wheres the steel go?
11:08:08  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> nowhere yet. Working on it
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11:11:12  <Stablean> <ruarai> look at the signs near the main power station
11:12:52  <Stablean> <ruarai> hello?
11:12:54  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> yes?
11:13:04  <Stablean> <ruarai> look at the signs near the main power station
11:13:23  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> rather not
11:13:27  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> it would be a join before split
11:13:39  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> thus it would jam more likely
11:13:42  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> much more likely
11:13:49  <Stablean> <ruarai> ah
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11:16:57  <Stablean> <ruarai> have to go
11:17:03  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> enjoy :-)
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11:17:15  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> I'll build connect a factory in the...
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11:44:30  <Ammler> @topic add Todo on next restart: rise screenshot frequency
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12:32:25  <Mks> whats up woth all the SCreenshopts
12:32:39  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> why not? :-)
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12:53:02  <Mks> can you watch them somewhere?
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13:01:22  <Stablean> <OG Matautas> ello
13:01:25  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> profit #1 meanwhile :-)
13:01:27  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> hi
13:02:01  <Stablean> *** OG Matautas has started a new company (#5)
13:02:19  <Stablean> <OG Matautas> wow henri is pro
13:02:59  <Stablean> <Mks> what do you mean henri is a pro?
13:03:07  <Stablean> <OG Matautas> thats what i mean
13:03:15  <Stablean> <Mks> rather why is he a pro?
13:03:26  <Stablean> <OG Matautas> aaam
13:03:38  <Stablean> <OG Matautas> check bocoz
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13:04:19  <Stablean> <Mks> cause he made a prio?
13:04:23  <Stablean> <OG Matautas> yep
13:05:18  <Stablean> <Mks> see !here
13:05:20  <Stablean> <Mks> I got one to :P
13:05:22  <Stablean> <OG Matautas> woot no trainset
13:05:24  <Stablean> <Mks> its not really used tho
13:05:29  <Stablean> <Mks> no newgrf at all
13:07:49  <Stablean> <Mks> intressting construction of prio henri did not how I would have done it
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13:11:50  <Stablean> <OG Matautas> woot normal tf prices
13:12:47  <Stablean> <OG Matautas> anyone got free cash? :)
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13:20:20  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> hm. converting rail to e-rail costs virtually nothing :S
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13:25:01  <Stablean> * planetm4ker ponders shipping oil
13:26:29  <Stablean> <Mks> ohh
13:26:35  <Stablean> <Mks> I can't buidl erail yet
13:26:41  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> But I do :-P
13:26:44  <Stablean> <Mks> cheater :P
13:26:51  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> test driver rather :-)
13:26:57  <Stablean> <Mks> true
13:27:04  <Stablean> <Mks> tho I think 1966 for erail is really late
13:27:31  <Stablean> <Mks> I wish you could upgrade to monorail and maglev without the need of replacing the trains
13:27:34  <Stablean> <Mks> that would be nice
13:27:49  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> I don't
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13:30:51  <Stablean> <Mks> don't what?
13:31:11  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> I see no need for a "upgrade" from rail to other track systems
13:31:17  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> I can't upgrade a truck to a train either
13:31:21  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> or a truck to a tram
13:31:29  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> that'd be stupid
13:32:00  <Stablean> <Mks> well why not be able to convert the locos to maglev for example
13:32:15  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> why not convert a truck to a tram for example?
13:32:21  <Stablean> <Mks> well
13:32:23  <Stablean> <Mks> sure
13:32:25  <Stablean> <Mks> that could de done
13:32:27  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> or a plane to a ship
13:32:34  <Stablean> <Mks> lol
13:32:39  <Stablean> <Mks> plane to ship not really the same thing
13:32:41  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> it's the very same thing
13:32:55  <Stablean> <Mks> rail to maglev is still a track system
13:32:59  <Stablean> <Mks> just diffrent trains
13:33:14  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> it's as similar as a ship and a train
13:33:16  <Stablean> <Mks> well I more mean someway to automate it
13:33:22  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> or as any other two transport systems
13:33:26  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> I know.
13:33:33  <Stablean> <Mks> like enter a rail depot then a train with same orders leave a maglev depot
13:33:41  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> And my argument is: then you need a way to automate upgrade from ship to plane, too
13:33:45  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> It's the very same thing
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13:34:03  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> maglev and rail IS completely different
13:34:09  <Stablean> <Mks> well since you can covert the rail I mean
13:34:11  <Stablean> <Mks> I know
13:34:14  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> which is stupid
13:34:20  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> rather that shall be abolished
13:34:27  <Stablean> <Mks> naa
13:34:29  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> only convert to compatible track types
13:34:47  <Stablean> <Mks> I mean japan plan to covert their rail system to maglev
13:34:51  <Stablean> <Mks> or at least the shinkasen rail
13:35:13  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> yes. And all they surely do is press the "convert rail + trains button" and be done
13:35:23  <Stablean> <Mks> well
13:35:25  <Stablean> <Mks> ofcourse not
13:35:27  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> should be as easy
13:35:35  <Stablean> <Mks> they remove old first and then build new probarbly
13:35:41  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> see.
13:35:52  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> That's why the "convert rail -> maglev should be removed
13:35:58  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> they build new
13:36:40  <Stablean> <Mks> well yeah but the probarbly will not covert the whole system at once take one part at the time and probarbly also havestations with both types
13:36:46  <Stablean> <Mks> but really this is a game
13:37:00  <Stablean> <Mks> should be made to make it easier for the players :)
13:37:40  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> it is
13:37:58  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> but you indeed want a feature which allows to replace a ship by a plane
13:38:03  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> it is nothing different here
13:38:17  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> and if you can make a fail-proof rule to replace an arbitrary vehicle type by another. Then you go
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13:39:25  <Stablean> <Mks> well to be totally honest its probarbly possible to build a maglev track that allows for normal rail trains to go on it as well
13:39:33  <Stablean> <Mks> not really money efficent or anything
13:39:39  <Stablean> <Mks> but should be doable
13:39:41  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> I doubt it is
13:40:07  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> the systems are quite different
13:41:17  <Stablean> <Mks> yeah but only need to put the rail on the maglev track
13:41:33  <Stablean> <Mks> and ofcourse build the maglev trains so they won't be affect by the rail track
13:41:52  <Stablean> <Mks> in certain areas like large cities for example with limited space such a solution could be nice
13:42:06  <Stablean> <Mks> to have 1 station for diffrent types of trains
13:42:21  <Stablean> <OG Matautas> why cant you?
13:43:50  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> The usual way maglev works is that you have a somewhat elevated rail in the middle wich acts as the linear motor
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13:44:14  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> but which at the same time provides some guidance to the maglev vehicle in case of power failure.
13:44:20  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> where it can reside on w/o power
13:44:34  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> this is usuall quite a lot higher than what you want for rail
13:44:37  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> to be in the middle
13:45:03  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> as such you'd need to designe new  very high-wheeled rail vehicles
13:45:11  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> or maglev vehicles with a very high centre of mass
13:45:21  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> both is not desirable from a safety POV
13:47:24  <Stablean> <Mks> well as§
13:47:34  <Stablean> <OG Matautas> u mean ass?
13:47:36  <Stablean> <Mks> well as far as I know there are two diffrent types of maglev
13:47:38  <Stablean> <Mks> no
13:47:45  <Stablean> <Mks> the transrapid
13:47:48  <Stablean> <Mks> and the japanese one
13:48:02  <Stablean> <Mks> japanese wich is similar to the one in openttd I guess
13:48:34  <Stablean> <Mks> the japenese ones couldn't you just add rails at the bottom for normal train to travel on?
13:48:40  <Stablean> <Mks> I mean is shaped like a U
13:48:47  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> ups. 30% of my trains are goods trains :-)
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13:49:15  <Stablean> <Mks> wow
13:49:37  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> making 70k a year
13:49:39  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> each
13:49:47  <Stablean> <OG Matautas> wt
13:49:49  <Stablean> <OG Matautas> f
13:49:55  <Stablean> <OG Matautas> ur talking about money
13:50:09  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> :-)
13:50:15  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> it's pointless, I know :-)
13:50:22  <Stablean> <OG Matautas> sooner or later
13:50:29  <Stablean> <OG Matautas> we all will have no place to put them
13:50:31  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> rather sooner :-P
13:51:09  <Stablean> <Mks> well I don't plan to build that massive network this game so I won't have that much money
13:51:20  <Stablean> <OG Matautas> oh yes you will
13:51:26  <Stablean> <OG Matautas> sumtime u will go to sleep
13:51:28  <Stablean> <OG Matautas> when u wake up
13:51:30  <Stablean> <OG Matautas> u have 20 mil
13:51:36  <Stablean> <OG Matautas> thats with low pax
13:51:38  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> only?
13:51:48  <Stablean> <OG Matautas> im talking at least
13:52:40  <Stablean> <OG Matautas> i shall make a prior too xd
13:52:46  <Stablean> <OG Matautas> thats trendy
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13:54:27  <Stablean> <OG Matautas> no money :/
13:54:34  <Stablean> <OG Matautas> zZz time
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14:47:15  <Ammler> !players
14:47:18  <Stablean> Ammler: Client 52 (Dark Blue) is Player, in company 2 (Player Transport)
14:47:18  <Stablean> Ammler: Client 38 (Orange) is planetm4ker, in company 3 (whyispaused Transport)
14:47:18  <Stablean> Ammler: Client 42 (Red) is Mks, in company 4 (Mks Transport)
14:47:18  <Stablean> Ammler: Client 56 (White) is Player #1, in company 7 (Plop Transport)
14:47:26  <Ammler> !rcon move 52 255
14:47:26  <Stablean> Ammler: *** Player has joined spectators
14:47:32  <Ammler> !rcon move 56 255
14:47:32  <Stablean> Ammler: *** Player #1 has joined spectators
14:47:37  <Ammler> Players, please rename
14:47:42  <Stablean> *** Player has joined company #2
14:47:54  <V453000> !rcon move 56 255
14:47:54  <Stablean> V453000: ERROR: You cannot move someone to where he/she already is!
14:48:12  <V453000> !:(
14:48:12  <Ammler> ! :-)
14:48:19  <Ammler> !rcon move 52 255
14:48:19  <Stablean> Ammler: *** Player has joined spectators
14:48:43  <Ammler> Players, use !name
14:48:53  <Stablean> *** Player #1 has changed his/her name to Plop
14:48:53  <Stablean> *** Player has changed his/her name to nooby
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14:49:29  <V453000> hooray
14:49:31  <V453000> thanks
14:49:39  <Stablean> <Plop> :P
14:49:58  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> it makes communication WAY easier
14:50:23  <Stablean> <Plop> havent seen much communication that last 10 minutes i played here :P
14:50:48  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> Even though.
14:50:55  <Stablean> <Plop> xD
14:51:53  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> it's easier to say "Plop, please don't use terraforming too liberally" than "Player, read the bloody rules and obey them"
14:52:11  <Stablean> <Plop> hehe
14:52:17  <Stablean> <Plop> so.. where are the rules :P
14:53:22  <Stablean> <Plop> there are no rules
14:53:51  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> didn't you see the link?!
14:53:54  <Stablean> <Plop> i did
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14:54:08  <Stablean> <Plop> but when i go to page it says: no text
14:54:18  <Stablean> <Plop> but if  i click around i see rulesets :P
14:54:54  <V453000> good boy :-D
14:54:58  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> it doesn't for me
14:55:05  <Ammler> what is the link to the homepage?
14:55:10  <V453000> !date
14:55:11  <Stablean> V453000:  7 May 1972
14:56:58  <Mks> !rules
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14:59:09  <Mks> http://wiki.openttdcoop.org/Quickstart/stabl
14:59:12  <Mks> http://wiki.openttdcoop.org/Quickstart/stable
14:59:14  <Mks> that you mean?
14:59:18  <Mks> its empty
15:01:18  <planetmaker> no more :-P
15:01:38  <planetmaker> !rules
15:02:40  <Mks> ohh nice
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15:06:31  <Ammler> not just communication, also watching is easier
15:07:35  <Ammler> !dl
15:07:35  <Stablean> Ammler: !dl autostart|autottd|autoupdate|lin|lin64|osx|win32|win64|win9x
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15:10:26  <Ammler> planetmaker: did you check my Makefile patch?
15:10:38  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> I looked at it briefly
15:11:10  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> I think along those lines as well :-)
15:11:32  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> but I didn't yet apply and test it really
15:12:48  <Ammler> I have some issues to make a zip without folder
15:13:57  <planetmaker> yeah. You need probably create a folder
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15:14:06  <planetmaker> Which is not a bad thing at all
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15:37:10  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> hm, I seriously should consider to upgrade to LL_RR
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15:37:42  <Stablean> <Plop> whot?
15:39:00  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> My tracks are getting too busy
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15:39:10  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> So I need to add a 2nd one for each direction
15:39:16  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> Tha means from L_R to LL_RR
15:39:38  <Stablean> <Plop> ah ok :P
15:39:44  <Stablean> <Plop> cuz u got 2 much trains?
15:39:47  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> yep
15:39:54  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> but it's only 160 ;-)
15:40:25  <Stablean> <Plop> that really expansive to place another 2 railroad tracks next to ur current ones
15:40:40  <Stablean> <Plop> and lots of time :P
15:40:49  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> money is a none-issue
15:40:54  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> but time to build it properly :-)
15:41:40  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> I get WAY more money than I can spend
15:41:50  <Stablean> <Plop> i checked ur finance tab lol
15:42:17  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> this game is not about money anyway. Getting money in OpenTTD is dead easy
15:42:27  <Stablean> <Plop> i know xD
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15:44:52  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> why does this SH40 have no proper TE? :-(
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17:36:40  <Stablean> <Mks> are you here Planetmaker?
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17:36:47  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> yes
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17:37:01  <Stablean> <Mks> you need more tracks
17:37:03  <Stablean> <Mks> your trains stop
17:37:05  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> I know
17:37:23  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> I'm upgrading from LR to LLRR for two hours already
17:37:37  <Stablean> <Mks> ohh wow
17:37:47  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> basically re-building a hub
17:37:51  <Stablean> <Mks> ahh
17:37:55  <Stablean> <Mks> thats whats taking time :P
17:38:05  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> yeah. Of course w/o stopping any traffic
17:38:19  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> and it's the hub EVERY train goes by ;-)
17:38:26  <Stablean> <Mks> hehe
17:38:28  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> in the corner
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17:39:26  <Stablean> <Mks> at sign !here
17:39:40  <Stablean> <Mks> wouldn't it be better for the coal trains to not acually merge with that line?
17:39:46  <Stablean> <Mks> the goods things I mean
17:40:00  <Stablean> <Mks> the coal thats comeing from the other way that is
17:40:07  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> possibly yes
17:40:39  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> that area wasn't re-designed for the traffic I have now
17:41:01  <Stablean> <Mks> ahh
17:41:16  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> the tracks are still from the time where I only had coal
17:41:26  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> but meanwhile I have more goods trains than coal, I guess
17:41:40  <Stablean> <Mks> I've played on some servers that restart every 3rd or 6th hours no point usually in building high traffic network then due to the fact mines never acually reach that high production
17:41:40  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> definitely yes
17:41:52  <Stablean> <Mks> yeah lots more goods :P
17:42:14  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> :-)
17:42:28  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> the beauty of a good network: you can just add trains
17:42:30  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> and it just works
17:42:40  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> well. up to a certain train density that is ;-)
17:42:42  <Stablean> <Mks> well to a certain point of course
17:42:49  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> :-)
17:43:19  <Stablean> <Mks> everything is so much easier if you don't have to do LL_RR
17:43:34  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> of course
17:44:12  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> damn... I built a join before split :-(
17:44:27  <Stablean> <Mks> I've read on some site ppl build 2x2 lines with overtake paths but mm I don't like to mix slow and fast trains in one network
17:44:41  <Stablean> <Mks> well if traffic isn't high thats not a problem
17:44:45  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> well. I nearly have 160km/h for every train
17:44:59  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> except the pax which can meanwhile go faster - if the tracks would allow :-P
17:45:42  <Stablean> <Mks> I guess you won't upgrade to monorail and maglev
17:45:48  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> of course not :-)
17:46:02  <Stablean> <Mks> I will I like it specially monorail is nice
17:46:12  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> on the other hand it wouldn't be too much of a hassle either
17:46:34  <Stablean> <Mks> the only hassle is to rebuild all trains
17:47:23  <Stablean> <Mks> there is no end to how many coal trains I have to add
17:47:33  <Stablean> <Mks> I've added like 30 and seems to be not enough
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17:49:05  <Stablean> <MrMouthy> Hi
17:49:09  <Stablean> <Mks> hi
17:49:23  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> Mks: I would need to re-build all trains. But then I only have 5 types
17:49:33  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> so I'd build each and then share orders
17:49:37  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> with the existing trains
17:49:43  <Stablean> <Mks> ahh true
17:49:43  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> half an hour or so at most
17:50:06  <Stablean> <Mks> well you have more then 5 pickup locations tho?
17:50:16  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> yes, I do
17:50:34  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> But no big deal IMHO
17:51:08  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> click on station. click on train. share orders. done
17:51:10  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> next
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17:54:31  <Stablean> <Mks> true
17:54:49  <Stablean> <Mks> yeah upgrading isn't that much pain tho takes longer then replacing with a new loco :)
17:55:17  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> as said: it will fail majorly as soon as you have one single train newgrf
17:55:45  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> and there's no solution to that. None which does not involve to re-write major parts
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18:05:18  <Stablean> <MrMouthy> Err planetmaker you've got a jam...
18:05:36  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> I know
18:05:42  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> one single big one
18:05:47  <Stablean> <MrMouthy> Uh huh
18:06:31  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> actually
18:06:37  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> I didn't know that one :-)
18:06:45  <Stablean> <MrMouthy> :P
18:08:41  <Stablean> <Mks> ohh
18:08:43  <Stablean> <Mks> tim
18:08:43  <Stablean> <Mks> mm
18:08:49  <Stablean> <Mks> upgrade to it or not
18:08:51  <Stablean> <Mks> alot faster
18:08:57  <Stablean> <Mks> but lose 1 coal wagon
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18:10:36  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> let's get high-speed coal ;-)
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18:28:46  <Stablean> <Mks> gah why doesn't pbs works as it should
18:28:58  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> it does ;-)
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18:29:30  <Stablean> <Mks> wel
18:29:32  <Stablean> <Mks> it didn't
18:29:34  <Stablean> <Mks> it bugged out
18:29:48  <Stablean> <Mks> it still doesn't work for some reason
18:29:57  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> you mean, you messed up?
18:30:00  <Stablean> <MrMouthy> Lol
18:30:09  <Stablean> <Mks> check !here
18:30:19  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> yes?
18:30:29  <Stablean> <Mks> trains don't go to the empty plattforms even tho they should
18:31:15  <Stablean> <Mks> but why?
18:31:22  <Stablean> <Mks> stupid signal
18:31:25  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> they do?
18:31:25  <V453000> PBS consider penalties
18:31:27  <V453000> could be that
18:31:30  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> or am I blind?
18:31:32  <Stablean> <Mks> well
18:31:45  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> you have some stale reservations there, though, I think
18:31:53  <Stablean> <Mks> wait I am gona let some more trains get there at the same time
18:32:05  <Stablean> <Mks> doesn't really show otherwise
18:32:11  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> on the tracks I indicated
18:32:21  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> rebuild those tracks I indicated
18:32:27  <Stablean> <Mks> ahh yes they don't seem to like those tracks
18:32:33  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> only the straight  one
18:32:39  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> not everything ;-)
18:32:43  <Stablean> <MrMouthy> :P
18:32:46  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> activate showing of track reservation
18:33:01  <V453000> OR dont use PBS :p
18:33:18  <Stablean> <Mks> mm where is it I enable that
18:33:32  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> strange
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18:35:18  <Stablean> <Mks> ahh found the show reservation thing
18:35:44  <Stablean> <MrMouthy> looks like it works now
18:35:44  <Stablean> <Mks> seems to work now
18:36:12  <Stablean> <Mks> thnx
18:36:26  <Stablean> <Mks> but why are some tracks reserved when there is no train there
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18:37:02  <Stablean> <MrMouthy> maybe from when u had trains coming in from the other direction?
18:37:16  <Stablean> <Mks> yeah its probarbly related to that but still
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18:39:32  <Stablean> <Mks> I know PBS is bad sometimes but when tracks crossing its hard to build without pbs
18:39:54  <Stablean> <Mks> unless makeing station twice as wide and build plattforms with 1 tile gap
18:40:00  <planetmaker> Mks: did you tell trains to ignore signals or cause crashes?
18:40:10  <Stablean> <Mks> no
18:40:17  <planetmaker> or build signals while trains were going around there somewhere?
18:40:29  <Stablean> <Mks> I did remove some tracks cause they stoped at signals
18:40:35  <Stablean> <Mks> then rebuilt it
18:40:41  <Stablean> <Mks> or signlas rather
18:41:07  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> it shouldn't happen despite. But it needs a way to reproduce
18:41:49  <Stablean> <Mks> I mean the tracks got stuck reserved that must be a bug of some sort right?
18:42:47  <Stablean> <Mks> ohh you upgraded to TIM
18:43:34  <Stablean> <Mks> lol my transfer trains only have 2 coal wagons now :P
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18:45:48  <Stablean> <Mks> ohh your forcing your trains to go to depot
18:45:50  <Stablean> <Mks> at some stations
18:46:10  <Stablean> <Mks> isn't that cheating :P
18:46:33  <V453000> I would expect more advantages than disadvantages from cheating :p
18:46:44  <Stablean> <Mks> planetmaker you know you could built it so they only enter depots when station plattforms are full
18:46:52  <Stablean> <Mks> well
18:47:06  <Stablean> <Mks> it do has it advantages to make trains go to depot
18:47:12  <Stablean> <Mks> if you have no room for trains to wait
18:47:24  <V453000> well yes but if there go all of them then it is rather a slowdown
18:47:39  <V453000> so a disadvantage as long as you use a reasonable amount of trains :)
18:47:51  <Stablean> <Mks> yeah but one way to make trains turn around without building a curve as well
18:48:05  <V453000> pointless advantage tbh
18:48:07  <planetmaker> hm... well, probably there's a way
18:48:11  <Stablean> <Mks> so you can have a ro ro station that takes no more room then a terminal
18:48:26  <Stablean> <Mks> well a little more room but not much
18:48:29  <planetmaker> and no, I built the depots so that excess trains don't clog the tracks
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18:49:17  <Stablean> <Mks> yeah but with pre signals you can do it so it only enter when station is full
18:50:01  <Stablean> <Mks> it does take a little more room tho
18:50:32  <V453000> sure _
18:50:34  <V453000> :)
18:50:41  <V453000> Henri does it that way I think
18:50:55  <V453000> or ... one of the ways :)
18:51:44  <Stablean> <Mks> yeah I've done it in some games
18:51:58  <Stablean> <Mks> if no room really for trains to wait so exess trains enter depot
18:53:37  <Stablean> <Mks> mm not finnished with your LLxRR yet planetmaker?
18:54:15  <Stablean> <Mks> I've built my LL_RR tho I have no junctions so it was quite easy :)
18:54:21  <Stablean> <Mks> and I don't really need it yet
18:54:24  <Stablean> <Mks> just for future use
18:59:15  <planetmaker> Mks: not really
18:59:26  <Stablean> <MrMouthy> planetmaker, mini-jam north of Hamdorf
18:59:29  <planetmaker> It needs building now a few SLHs
18:59:43  <planetmaker> But... I'm currently occupied outside the game
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19:00:13  <Stablean> <Mks> ahh
19:00:31  <Stablean> <Mks> ahhh
19:00:48  <Stablean> <Mks> you have a bad signal
19:00:54  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> where?
19:00:57  <Stablean> <Mks> sign
19:01:13  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> thank you
19:02:17  <Stablean> <Mks> mm the over sized sign
19:02:21  <Stablean> <Mks> a bit big station yes
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19:02:33  <Stablean> <Mks> tho seems he have 1 station for 3 diffrent type of cargo
19:02:41  <Stablean> <Mks> I would have 3 diffrent stations instead
19:03:22  <Stablean> <Mks> like you do at farms 1 fore livestock 1 for grain
19:03:25  <Stablean> <MrMouthy> Does seem a bit big
19:03:45  <Stablean> <MrMouthy> I normally share a station for Livestock and grain I dunno why people seperate them
19:03:47  <Stablean> <Mks> yeah its a bit to big tho when mixing like that that you need to oversize stations a bit
19:03:53  <Stablean> <Mks> well
19:04:03  <Stablean> <Mks> cause often they produce alot more of 1 type
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19:04:13  <Stablean> <Mks> so you maybe need twice as many grain trains
19:04:15  <Stablean> <Mks> as livestock
19:04:25  <Stablean> <MrMouthy> True but as long as you have enough platforms its normally fine
19:04:27  <Stablean> <Mks> so mixed trains is bad
19:04:29  <Stablean> <Mks> well
19:04:32  <Stablean> <Mks> yeah but
19:04:35  <Stablean> <MrMouthy> Oh I dont use mixed trains
19:04:41  <Stablean> <Mks> more efficent to have 2 diffrent stations side by side
19:04:41  <Stablean> <MrMouthy> Only share the station
19:04:55  <Stablean> <Mks> otherwise you could have like 2 grain and no lifestock at the station
19:05:09  <Stablean> <Mks> and that leads to reducing your station rating with lifestock
19:05:15  <Stablean> <Mks> wich leads to you get less livestock
19:05:35  <Stablean> <MrMouthy> Yeah I see what you mean but as long as its serviced with the right amount of trains I see no problem
19:09:11  <Stablean> ***  made screenshot at 00006734: http://stable.openttdcoop.org/stable/webcam/00006734.png
19:11:23  <Stablean> <Plop> so when is everything gonna reset?
19:11:48  <Ammler> !date
19:11:48  <Stablean> Ammler: 14 Feb 1990
19:11:57  <Stablean> <MrMouthy> A bit soon for a reset? Theres been like 1 a day recently
19:12:02  <Ammler> in 100 years
19:12:13  <Stablean> <Mks> yeah around 2100 I guess
19:12:19  <Stablean> <Plop> ok :P
19:12:25  <Stablean> <Plop> cuz orange got monopoly lol
19:12:40  <Stablean> <Mks> not really
19:12:43  <Ammler> !companies
19:12:46  <Stablean> Ammler: Company 1 (Green): Henri Transport
19:12:46  <Stablean> Ammler: Company 2 (Dark Blue): EQ
19:12:46  <Stablean> Ammler: Company 3 (Orange): whyispaused Transport
19:12:46  <Stablean> Ammler: Company 4 (Red): Mks Transport
19:12:46  <Stablean> Ammler: Company 5 (Pink): OG Matautas Transport
19:12:46  <Stablean> Ammler: Company 6 (Purple): Player Transport
19:12:46  <Stablean> Ammler: Company 7 (White): Plop Transport
19:12:48  <Stablean> <Mks> + can always spawn new things
19:12:49  <Stablean> <MrMouthy> Thats the aim of the game ;)
19:13:03  <Ammler> is that planetmaker?
19:13:11  <planetmaker> yes
19:13:11  <Stablean> <MrMouthy> Yep
19:13:13  <Ammler> :-)
19:13:15  <Stablean> <Plop> really hard for the small transports like meh :(
19:13:21  <Ammler> !players
19:13:24  <Stablean> Ammler: Client 76 is MrMouthy, a spectator
19:13:24  <Stablean> Ammler: Client 66 (White) is Plop, in company 7 (Plop Transport)
19:13:24  <Stablean> Ammler: Client 38 (Orange) is planetm4ker, in company 3 (whyispaused Transport)
19:13:24  <Stablean> Ammler: Client 42 (Red) is Mks, in company 4 (Mks Transport)
19:13:35  <planetmaker> well. I started to coop with some guy. But he left. I continued ;-)
19:13:35  <Stablean> <Mks> well I don't have that much
19:13:37  <Stablean> <Mks> only 5 coal mines
19:13:48  <Stablean> <Plop> hehe
19:13:50  <Stablean> <Mks> I do have alot of money tho
19:14:10  <planetmaker> MrMouthy: there's still a lot of industries which can be connected
19:14:11  <Stablean> ***  made screenshot at 0001EF84: http://stable.openttdcoop.org/stable/webcam/0001EF84.png
19:14:14  <Stablean> <Mks> there are still lots of things to connect tho
19:14:20  <planetmaker> I only connected those which are on my two tracks
19:14:28  <Stablean> *** Player has joined spectators
19:14:28  <Stablean> *** Player has joined company #6
19:14:36  <planetmaker> and even there... not all
19:14:40  <Stablean> <Plop> thats like 50% of the map :P
19:14:42  <Stablean> <MrMouthy> I didnt say there wasnt :P
19:15:19  <planetmaker> Plop, hardly :-)
19:15:29  <Stablean> *** Player has left the game (leaving)
19:15:45  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> as I didn't connect everything there either
19:15:53  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> like, I transport neither wood nor oil
19:15:59  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> nor do I connect more than two towns
19:16:03  <Stablean> <Plop> hehe
19:16:17  <Stablean> <Plop> but i love it how u build all this ^^
19:16:27  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> I'm coop ;-)
19:16:51  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> rather: part of :-)
19:16:59  <Stablean> <Plop> hehe
19:17:11  <Stablean> <Plop> i gotta invite a friend to coop with aswell :(
19:17:45  <Stablean> <MrMouthy> coop as in Openttdcoop not co-op :P
19:17:59  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> :-)
19:18:36  <Stablean> <Plop> whats openttdcoop?
19:18:48  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> do you know this server's name?
19:18:52  <Stablean> <Plop> i played ttd long time, but this multiplayer stuff is all new for me
19:19:11  <Stablean> ***  made screenshot at 000237B2: http://stable.openttdcoop.org/stable/webcam/000237B2.png
19:20:53  <Stablean> <MrMouthy> Check the site probably the best way to find out
19:21:07  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> we're a bunch of guys who build insane networks. All together in one company
19:21:20  <Stablean> <Plop> thats nice xD
19:21:24  <Stablean> <MrMouthy> :P
19:22:08  <Stablean> <MrMouthy> I still think you guys should give the welcome server more love, it lags like hell when we have a certain amount of trains :'(
19:22:24  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> it does
19:22:45  <Stablean> <MrMouthy> Yeah to the point where people cant join anymore... then refresh time
19:22:50  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> this server costs me 20€ a month. And I pay only half of it
19:23:14  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> the machine just isn't faster
19:23:24  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> and it runs some other services, too
19:23:26  <Stablean> <MrMouthy> Oh you guys rent
19:24:07  <Stablean> <Mks> can't you have a server at home for free or isn't that legal?
19:24:11  <Stablean> ***  made screenshot at 0001EB7C: http://stable.openttdcoop.org/stable/webcam/0001EB7C.png
19:24:14  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> that's legal
19:24:21  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> But connectivity would suck
19:24:25  <Stablean> <Mks> ohh why
19:24:32  <Stablean> <Plop> upload
19:24:34  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> And it wouldn't be better
19:24:34  <Stablean> <MrMouthy> Not if you have a decent connection? :P
19:24:38  <Stablean> <MrMouthy> Oh upload true
19:24:45  <Stablean> <Plop> i got nice connection
19:24:53  <Stablean> <Plop> got 10mbps upload
19:24:55  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> MrMouthy: there are no 100Mbit lines to home
19:24:55  <Stablean> <Mks> yeah you can get  1Gbit here down and 100mbit up
19:25:06  <Stablean> <Mks> well 100/100 is not problem
19:25:08  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> you can't here
19:25:14  <Stablean> <Plop> 100/100 = $$$$?
19:25:16  <Stablean> <MrMouthy> Well there starting to roll them out in the uk at least
19:25:18  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> unless you pay the same for your home connection as for the server right now
19:25:24  <Stablean> <Mks> you can't in the town I live but in others you can
19:25:30  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> and then there's the hardware which I lack, too
19:25:32  <Stablean> <MrMouthy> But a lot of other European countries have nice speeds from what I know
19:25:46  <Stablean> <Plop> netherlands here xD
19:25:54  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> There are to my knowledge rarely GBit or 100Mbit things
19:26:04  <Stablean> <Mks> 100/100 is 85 dollars a month
19:26:46  <Stablean> <Plop> i gettin upgraded to 120Mbps soon :D
19:26:48  <Stablean> <Mks> 1gbit/100mbit up is 140 dollars
19:26:50  <Stablean> <MrMouthy> :o
19:27:14  <Stablean> <Mks> is 10mbit up to bad connection for a server?
19:27:16  <Stablean> <MrMouthy> They are traialing 100mbps here atm but only to certain customers :/
19:27:44  <planetmaker> Mks: that's definitely too expensive for my taste
19:27:49  <Stablean> <Plop> i dont think OpenTTD needs a big upload connection
19:27:51  <planetmaker> So yes, of course one can get it
19:28:02  <planetmaker> Plop: then you'd take ages to connect
19:28:11  <Stablean> <Plop> hehe :P
19:28:17  <Stablean> <Plop> thats annoying
19:28:22  <planetmaker> exactly
19:29:11  <Stablean> ***  made screenshot at 000285A0: http://stable.openttdcoop.org/stable/webcam/000285A0.png
19:29:30  <Stablean> <Mks> well you canget 100mbit down 10mbit up for 35 dollars a month
19:29:40  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> upstream is the important thing
19:29:51  <Stablean> <Mks> and mm 10 is a bit on the low side?
19:29:53  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> if you run services. Downstream is of less importance there
19:29:57  <Stablean> <Mks> yeah true
19:30:01  <Stablean> <MrMouthy> Whats the speed of the Welcome stable?
19:31:34  <Stablean> <Mks> mm another company has 100/100 for 53 euro
19:31:41  <Stablean> <Mks> a bit expensive for a home connection I guess
19:34:00  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> Mks: no point running it at home, if it's more expensive than 40€
19:34:06  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> because power also costs
19:34:09  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> as does hardware
19:34:12  <Stablean> ***  made screenshot at 0002B198: http://stable.openttdcoop.org/stable/webcam/0002B198.png
19:34:26  <Stablean> <V453000> hi
19:34:26  <Stablean> *** V453000 joined the game
19:34:30  <Stablean> <MrMouthy> Hi
19:34:30  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> (cost for connection more expensive than 40€)
19:34:32  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> hi
19:34:43  <Stablean> <Mks> ahh true
19:34:45  <Stablean> <Plop> hi
19:35:31  <Stablean> <Mks> so 20€ a month includes hardware?
19:35:37  <Stablean> <V453000> pm: signal gap in front of factory drop
19:35:43  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> it's a rented server. For 40€
19:35:43  <Stablean> <V453000> on the split
19:36:09  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> thx
19:36:35  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> hm... pickup needs a fix
19:36:58  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> so... depot usage with trains passing when the station is not full?
19:37:00  <Stablean> <V453000> well forced overflow sucks imo :)
19:37:10  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> re-build it :-)
19:37:13  <Stablean> <V453000> why
19:37:15  <Stablean> <V453000> :)
19:37:21  <Stablean> <V453000> not my network
19:38:09  <Stablean> <V453000> but if you want :p
19:38:09  <Ammler> !players
19:38:12  <Stablean> Ammler: Client 76 is MrMouthy, a spectator
19:38:12  <Stablean> Ammler: Client 66 (White) is Plop, in company 7 (Plop Transport)
19:38:12  <Stablean> Ammler: Client 38 (Orange) is planetm4ker, in company 3 (whyispaused Transport)
19:38:12  <Stablean> Ammler: Client 42 (Red) is Mks, in company 4 (Mks Transport)
19:38:12  <Stablean> Ammler: Client 84 is V453000, a spectator
19:38:22  <V453000> !rcon move 84 3
19:38:22  <Stablean> V453000: *** V453000 has joined company #3
19:38:41  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> ho
19:38:47  <Ammler> !rcon min_active_clients
19:38:47  <Stablean> Ammler: ERROR: command not found
19:38:50  <Ammler> !rcon set min_active_clients
19:38:50  <Stablean> Ammler: Current value for 'min_active_clients' is: '1' (min: 0, max: 255)
19:38:51  <Stablean> <MrMouthy> Lol
19:39:12  <Stablean> ***  made screenshot at 0001157F: http://stable.openttdcoop.org/stable/webcam/0001157F.png
19:39:16  <Ammler> why was paused?
19:39:20  <Stablean> <V453000> no ieda
19:39:23  <Stablean> <V453000> probably wasnt
19:39:25  <Stablean> <V453000> :)
19:41:42  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> oh... that kind of solution :-)
19:41:49  <Stablean> <V453000> kind of
19:41:55  <Stablean> <V453000> this might not actually work :D
19:41:57  <Stablean> <V453000> yet
19:42:15  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> uhm... I think you connect to the wrong track
19:42:20  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> at x is still ML
19:42:43  <Stablean> <V453000> that doesnt matter now :)
19:42:47  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> yep
19:42:57  <Stablean> <V453000> hmm
19:43:01  <Stablean> <V453000> lets say this works
19:43:09  <Stablean> <V453000> maybe not the best possible way
19:43:18  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> does it?
19:43:29  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> the station's empty and every thing went to the depot?
19:43:31  <Stablean> <V453000> missing signals :)
19:44:12  <Stablean> ***  made screenshot at 0001DDB6: http://stable.openttdcoop.org/stable/webcam/0001DDB6.png
19:45:06  <Stablean> <Mks> lol complicated way to make a depot when station full :P
19:45:20  <Stablean> <V453000> im just trying something else than I do mostly
19:46:22  <Stablean> <V453000> thats quite bad Mks
19:46:25  <Stablean> <Mks> well it works
19:46:33  <Stablean> <Mks> its no good with lots of trains tho
19:46:35  <Stablean> <V453000> this works better
19:46:42  <Stablean> <Mks> well
19:47:09  <Stablean> <Mks> whats better with your example?
19:47:11  <Stablean> <V453000> no, it isnt the same :)
19:47:21  <Stablean> <MrMouthy> 1 signal difference? :P
19:47:23  <Stablean> <V453000> your example can release the train from the depot at a wrong time
19:47:33  <Stablean> <Mks> ahh thats true
19:47:35  <Stablean> <Mks> but
19:47:53  <V453000> @blog overflows
19:47:56  <Webster> Search Result for overflows at #openttdcoop - http://www.openttdcoop.org/blog/?s=overflows
19:48:04  <Stablean> <Mks> would that work?
19:48:13  <V453000> http://blog.openttdcoop.org/2010/04/26/advanced-building-revue-04-overflows/ see this for some more
19:48:21  <V453000> although it is a very basic article in these days :)
19:48:26  <Stablean> <V453000> no it wouldnt
19:48:30  <Stablean> <V453000> trains would leave depot
19:48:56  <Stablean> <Mks> ahh
19:49:12  <Stablean> ***  made screenshot at 00035F79: http://stable.openttdcoop.org/stable/webcam/00035F79.png
19:53:01  <Stablean> <Mks> tis should work tho?
19:53:11  <Stablean> <V453000> depends
19:53:19  <Stablean> <Mks> and it won't slow down trains
19:53:21  <Stablean> <V453000> like this it wouldnt
19:53:31  <Stablean> <V453000> you would need some traps and 2way signals
19:53:43  <Stablean> <V453000> anyway, forcing PBS for overflows is probably pointless
19:53:55  <Stablean> <V453000> and you definitely can not reach as good performance as with pre-signals
19:54:12  <Stablean> ***  made screenshot at 00003F8E: http://stable.openttdcoop.org/stable/webcam/00003F8E.png
19:54:43  <Stablean> <Mks> point of building something similar to that is you can have heavy traffic incoming and still get trains to go to depot without slowing down the other trains
19:54:52  <Stablean> <V453000> sure
19:55:00  <Stablean> <V453000> that is possible to do other ways :)
19:56:23  <Stablean> <Mks> well I guess your way does that kinda of?
19:56:34  <Stablean> <V453000> ?
19:56:44  <Stablean> <Mks> at the goods pickup
19:56:51  <Stablean> <V453000> whats with it
19:56:59  <Stablean> <Mks> it makes train enter depot when station is full?
19:57:05  <Stablean> <V453000> sure
19:57:11  <Stablean> <Mks> without acually hindering other incoming trains?
19:57:26  <Stablean> <V453000> should do that, yes
19:57:34  <Stablean> <V453000> but the throughput isnt absolutely best
19:57:40  <Stablean> <V453000> but it should be able to handle quite a bit
19:59:13  <Stablean> ***  made screenshot at 0001B6CA: http://stable.openttdcoop.org/stable/webcam/0001B6CA.png
20:00:33  <Stablean> <V453000> see our train 183
20:01:33  <Stablean> <MrMouthy> Is such a mess really necessary though?
20:03:04  <Stablean> <Mks> ahh
20:03:10  <Stablean> <V453000> for given requirements, it is.
20:03:20  <Stablean> <V453000> if you call it "mess" ...
20:03:27  <Stablean> <Mks> yeah its a mess :P
20:03:30  <Stablean> <V453000> let me inform you that this is rather simple yet
20:03:46  <Stablean> <Mks> well its not that messy but
20:03:46  <Stablean> <MrMouthy> It is a mess though :P I mean half of that track is just for routing
20:04:06  <Stablean> <MrMouthy> I know things like that work really well but just seems a bit much
20:04:13  <Stablean> ***  made screenshot at 00018EB4: http://stable.openttdcoop.org/stable/webcam/00018EB4.png
20:04:28  <Stablean> <Mks> mm yeah I prefer things compact :P
20:04:53  <Stablean> <V453000> if you consider all this, you can use space you normally would leave empty
20:05:11  <Stablean> <Mks> well true
20:05:27  <Stablean> <Mks> but it still takes more room then something thats not like that
20:05:38  <Stablean> <V453000> sure
20:05:48  <Stablean> <V453000> but it can change the performance drastically
20:05:54  <Stablean> <Mks> also with a high TL it would take alot of room
20:06:07  <Stablean> <V453000> high TL is bad, as I already said many times :)
20:06:09  <Stablean> <Mks> like TL10
20:07:17  <Stablean> <Mks> well
20:07:23  <Stablean> <Mks> like I said I like igh tl :P
20:07:25  <Stablean> <Mks> or well
20:07:29  <Stablean> <Mks> tl 6-10
20:07:33  <Stablean> <V453000> I dont really care what is "liked"
20:07:36  <Stablean> <Mks> high really makes everything big
20:07:46  <Stablean> <V453000> unneccessarily
20:07:46  <Stablean> <Mks> I think tl 3 is a bit short
20:07:48  <Stablean> <V453000> usually
20:07:55  <Stablean> <Mks> tl 5 is ok tho
20:08:28  <Stablean> <V453000> TL3 is imo the most versatile, most usable, most fun to use
20:08:50  <Stablean> <Mks> well from when I played on PS server tl 5 seemed quite common
20:09:03  <Stablean> <V453000> CL3 is quite friendly, priorities can be quite short, waiting spaces are short, everything else can be short :p
20:09:09  <Stablean> <V453000> TL5 is quite standard
20:09:13  <Stablean> ***  made screenshot at 0001F97C: http://stable.openttdcoop.org/stable/webcam/0001F97C.png
20:09:19  <Stablean> <V453000> although TL3 may be more frequently used
20:09:23  <Stablean> <V453000> not sure
20:09:25  <Stablean> <V453000> quite even
20:09:29  <Stablean> <V453000> but still :)
20:09:40  <Stablean> <Mks> longer TL hardly ever used?
20:09:55  <Stablean> <V453000> more than TL5 is really bad imo
20:10:00  <Stablean> <V453000> for normal trains
20:10:11  <Stablean> <Mks> why?
20:10:21  <Stablean> <V453000> you just dont need to have CL10
20:10:23  <Stablean> <V453000> and such
20:10:23  <Stablean> <Mks> well if you do like I do now transfer
20:10:33  <Stablean> <Mks> tl 5 is a bit short
20:10:33  <Stablean> <V453000> transfering is utterly boring
20:10:35  <Stablean> <V453000> hubs are better
20:10:50  <Stablean> <MrMouthy> ^
20:11:03  <Stablean> <Mks> hubs?
20:11:08  <V453000> junctions
20:11:09  <V453000> crossings
20:11:13  <Stablean> <Mks> ahhh
20:11:16  <V453000> anyhow you like :)
20:11:32  <Stablean> <MrMouthy> I love having agiant network with lots of junctions, nice to watch :P
20:11:50  <Stablean> <V453000> well mainly it is fun to build
20:12:04  <Stablean> <MrMouthy> True
20:12:10  <Stablean> <V453000> transfers are like point-to-point
20:12:41  <Stablean> <V453000> there are of course cases when I consider transfering great, but that is probably only with pax :)
20:14:13  <Stablean> <V453000> planetm4ker: I will leave there the example if you dont mind having a few trains "doing nothing" :p
20:14:13  <Stablean> ***  made screenshot at 00011B3A: http://stable.openttdcoop.org/stable/webcam/00011B3A.png
20:14:21  <Stablean> <V453000> and I am off :p
20:14:21  <Stablean> <V453000> cya
20:14:23  <Stablean> *** V453000 has left the game (leaving)
20:14:41  <Stablean> <Henri> hi
20:14:42  <Stablean> *** Henri joined the game
20:15:02  <Stablean> <MrMouthy> Hi
20:19:13  <Stablean> ***  made screenshot at 00032D5C: http://stable.openttdcoop.org/stable/webcam/00032D5C.png
20:19:21  <V453000> Mks: http://blog.openttdcoop.org/files/blog/V453000/_Overflow_TL.png
20:19:32  <V453000> high TL sucks :P
20:19:32  <V453000> :D
20:24:14  <Stablean> ***  made screenshot at 0001C13E: http://stable.openttdcoop.org/stable/webcam/0001C13E.png
20:26:22  <Mks> haha
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20:46:51  <Stablean> *** MrMouthy has started a new company (#8)
20:46:55  <Stablean> <MrMouthy> Oops
20:47:01  <Stablean> <Plop> xD
20:47:19  <Stablean> <MrMouthy> I meant to click something else
20:47:27  <Stablean> <MrMouthy> Meh I feel like placing but cba
20:49:15  <Stablean> ***  made screenshot at 0000BA50: http://stable.openttdcoop.org/stable/webcam/0000BA50.png
20:49:34  <Stablean> <MrMouthy> Might as well start a trucking company I hardly use em
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21:49:38  <Ammler> !players
21:49:40  <Stablean> Ammler: Client 76 (Purple) is MrMouthy, in company 8 (MrMouthy Transport)
21:49:41  <Stablean> Ammler: Client 38 (Orange) is planetm4ker, in company 3 (whyispaused Transport)
21:49:41  <Stablean> Ammler: Client 42 is Mks, a spectator
21:49:41  <Stablean> Ammler: Client 86 (Green) is Henri, in company 1 (Henri Transport)
21:49:41  <Stablean> Ammler: Client 92 (Pale Green) is Chimera, in company 10 (X-Team I.N.C.)
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