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00:11:01 <Stablean> *** I has left the game (general timeout) 00:11:01 <Stablean> *** I has left the game (connection lost) 00:17:17 *** chester_ has quit IRC 00:18:36 <Stablean> *** Hitler's Pet Cat joined the game 00:22:28 <Stablean> <Anson> ARGS ... where did my forest go ? 00:23:10 <Stablean> <Anson> it is still on the map window, but just gone next to my freshly built station :-( 00:23:49 <Stablean> <Anson> and please, Cat, change your name ... some other people (and admins) don't find it funny ... 01:00:01 <Mazur> !rcon clients 01:00:01 <Stablean> Mazur: Client #1 name: 'Stablean' company: 255 IP: server 01:00:01 <Stablean> Mazur: Client #129 name: 'Hitler's Pet Cat' company: 8 IP: 174.1.113.86 01:00:01 <Stablean> Mazur: Client #38 name: 'Anson' company: 6 IP: 87.169.99.64 01:00:15 <Mazur> !rcon move 129 255 01:00:15 <Stablean> Mazur: *** Hitler's Pet Cat has joined spectators 01:00:44 <Mazur> Change your nick to something less controversial. 01:01:17 <Anson> Mazur: thanks 01:01:45 <Mazur> np. 01:02:30 <Stablean> <Anson> btw: yesterday, he was here already and changed the name to "Hit" ... today he was back with the other name and didn't reply to me 01:04:08 <Stablean> <Anson> still doesn't react ... seems to be AFK anyway 01:04:17 <Mazur> !rcon ban 129 01:04:17 <Stablean> Mazur: *** Hitler's Pet Cat has left the game (kicked by server) 01:04:17 <Stablean> Mazur: *** Hitler's Pet Cat has left the game (connection lost) 01:04:17 <Stablean> Mazur: Banned 1 client(s) 01:04:37 <Mazur> Problem solved. 01:04:43 <Mazur> For now, anyway. 01:04:58 <Stablean> <Anson> do you ban by IP ? or by name ? 01:05:13 <Mazur> And eventually he'll run out of IP adresses to play with/from. 01:05:15 <Mazur> IP. 01:05:40 <Mazur> Othrerwise it would be easy to make a lit of unwanted "names". 01:05:41 <Stablean> <Anson> for example, i get a new IP at least once per day (daily disconnect by provider) 01:06:04 <Mazur> Then at some point your whole provider gets banned. 01:06:16 <Stablean> <Anson> and my provider has thousands of IPs .... 01:06:30 <Mazur> BUt a lot fewer netmasks. 01:06:56 <Stablean> <Anson> which would hurt people from the same region or the entire provider because of one single %$&%$% 01:06:58 <Mazur> Yes. 01:07:14 <Mazur> That is a known problem for the good guys. 01:08:02 <Mazur> But them it is up to them to complain to their provider to do something about the bad guy, and then contact us via the website or something. 01:08:13 <Stablean> <Anson> yes, many "security features" (of games, DRM, whatever) hurt the "good" users more (or only) while the others keep doing their nad stuff 01:08:57 <Mazur> It's one of hte few drawbacks of the Internet Protocol. 01:09:04 <V453000> interesting nickname 01:09:48 <Stablean> <Anson> yesterday, he explained that "it was the guy who was bad, and not his cat" ... and then changed the nick to "Hit" 01:10:05 <Mazur> Which completelty underminded his argument. 01:10:09 <Mazur> -d 01:10:14 <Mazur> undermined. 01:10:47 <Mazur> Had he come in first with "Hit", noonwe would have even noticed. 01:11:02 <Stablean> <Anson> or cat or whatever 01:11:28 <Mazur> Typical US pubescent wanker. 01:11:54 <Mazur> Though that sentence has a few redundancies. 01:12:08 <Stablean> <Anson> i still remember the times when i was part of usenet, had a simple email address (anson@akb), and there was no spam email 01:13:15 <Stablean> <Anson> email could have had any other name too, thus even shorter x@akb, without any domain :-) 01:13:20 <Mazur> Yeah, thopse were the good times, before "Good Times". 01:13:32 <Mazur> Before eternal spetember. 01:14:02 <Stablean> <Anson> it was before there was the WWW :-) 01:14:49 <Mazur> UUCP we used, to get usenet news. A regular phoneline with a 512 Kb modem. 01:15:28 <Stablean> <Anson> on the day when there was the first attack on the WTC, i suddenly had 30 mails routed through my computer since we had the only connection between america and europe nesides the wire in the WTC underground 01:16:00 <Mazur> You in Adam, then. 01:16:03 <Mazur> A'dam 01:16:04 <Stablean> <Anson> 512k ? i did that with an acoustic one at first, with 300 :-) 01:16:29 <Mazur> I was on bitnet, then. 01:17:29 <Mazur> RULCR1SL 01:17:31 <Stablean> <Anson> a bit later with a 1200 baud modem, i could read all german newgroups completely, and the subjects of all international newsgroups 01:18:09 <Stablean> <Anson> now with DSL, it takes 2 minutes to get only the list of newsgroups :-) 01:18:34 <Mazur> When I started usenet at the RUL, without consulting my boss, I only dared draw nlnet.* groups, and not even all of those. 01:18:43 <Stablean> <Anson> mazur: what is adam ? 01:18:58 <Mazur> Amsterdam. 01:19:05 <Mazur> A'dam. 01:19:08 <Stablean> <Anson> germany, berlin 01:19:59 <Stablean> <Anson> in germany, it was even illegal at first, to use any equipment like acoustic couplers, even when they were not directly connected (wired) to the phone system 01:21:01 <Stablean> <Anson> a bit later, we had the problem of the central usenet "companies" not giving us cheap access ... business connections were around 1000 DM+ 01:21:34 <Stablean> *** Diablo joined the game 01:21:46 <Stablean> <Anson> thus some crazy guy made his own conection to america, something like modem connection for 1 hour per day to brazil :-) 01:22:40 <Stablean> <Anson> that's why lots of mail was routed from the USA through brazil and our private computers to the german usenet backbone, when the first bomb exploded in the WTC 01:24:36 *** Phillip has joined #openttdcoop.stable 01:25:13 <Stablean> *** Phillip joined the game 01:25:24 <Phillip> hello 01:25:46 <Mazur> Oh, I was thinking about Piet Beertema's coup in Amsterdam, who organised the first and long-time only cross-atlantic internet connection. 01:26:03 <Mazur> And UUCP before that. 01:26:22 <Mazur> You know, he of KREMVAX fame. 01:26:29 <Phillip> Uhhh... Ok.... 01:27:08 <Mazur> All Euopean UUCP/internet traffic went through there for quite some time. 01:27:19 <Stablean> *** Diablo has started a new company (#4) 01:27:21 <Mazur> The cross-ataltic bit. 01:27:53 <Mazur> atlantic. 01:36:20 <Stablean> <Anson> hehe, I'm experimenting with "creative" refitting ... found some small solutions, which are ugly and don't work in bigger networks, but save space and time (to build) in the beginning 02:01:17 <Stablean> *** Anson has left the game (general timeout) 02:01:17 <Stablean> *** Anson has left the game (connection lost) 02:04:02 <Anson> did the server crash? just lost con, can't reconnect, and the date in the join screen is june 1921 02:06:31 <Stablean> *** Anson joined the game 02:07:43 <Anson> strange.... now i am in again and everything looks normal 02:13:35 <Phillip> Really strange for you Anson. 02:15:55 <Stablean> *** Anson has joined company #6 02:32:01 <Stablean> <Anson> hehe, note to self : always stop trains before editing signals :-) 02:38:14 <Mazur> We've all been there. 02:39:46 <Stablean> *** Diablo has left the game (leaving) 02:42:47 <Stablean> <Phillip> I don't like how happy transport designs his networks sometimes. Now it's hard to upgrade to LLRR near the drops and goods/food pickups. 02:48:10 <Stablean> <Anson> it's also confusing when someone builds an RL instead of LR :-) 02:48:48 <Stablean> <Anson> must be britain, australian, japanese, or something like that 02:49:22 <Stablean> <Phillip> happy is british. thanks to n-ice's country origin announcement system when they join. 02:49:36 <Stablean> <Phillip> Me and happy played there on desert goal. 02:50:50 <Stablean> <Phillip> So I must of said it wrong. Fix: It is a pain to upgrade a RL to RRL, then the RRLL. 02:53:21 <Stablean> <Anson> i always confuse myself when i switch the entry and exit of some station, eg to have a slope down at the exit in the mountains 02:53:47 <Stablean> <Anson> most often, i then try to connect it "as usual", and end up with stuck trains which want to enter by the exit 02:55:42 <Stablean> <Phillip> On happy's lines, there is constant traffic here and it's sometimes hard to stop the trains at the right place and upgrading. 02:56:39 <Stablean> <Anson> brute force : get the overview, stop all trains, then un-stop the trains where you want to work and let them leave that area 02:56:58 <Stablean> <Phillip> That's what I do. 02:57:40 <Stablean> <Anson> it might also be useful to do that so that trains don't get lost, entering sidelines or wrong depots, etc, while you temporarily interrupt a track into a drop station 02:58:15 <Stablean> <Anson> see above, my "note to self" :-) LOL 03:02:25 <Stablean> <Phillip> Looks like this ML might be a RRRLL. 03:05:58 <Stablean> *** Diablo joined the game 03:06:10 <Stablean> <Anson> WB 03:06:12 <Stablean> *** Diablo has left the game (processing map took too long) 03:06:12 <Stablean> *** Diablo has left the game (connection lost) 03:06:24 <Stablean> <Phillip> awwww 03:06:34 <Stablean> <Anson> bye :-( 03:06:53 <Stablean> <Phillip> In a few years, we and other people built too much. 03:08:36 <Stablean> <Anson> is it really that bad ? ... a month ago, there wre lots of problems, and i had lots of lag, but for a few weeks now, i had no single problem with lag and lost con (except the strange one an hour ago) 03:09:00 <Stablean> <Phillip> the game on my computer is lagging too. 03:10:14 <Stablean> <Anson> i currently have no lag, not even jerky mouse or anything, even at extrame zoom and when moving around a lot 03:14:45 <Stablean> <Anson> i don't know wheret he trains are coming from or going to ... but it looks strange with an almost empty line going through, and two full lines being merged 03:18:27 <Stablean> <Anson> at the merge, the signals are wron .... 03:18:53 <Stablean> <Phillip> Then what are they? (I'm no pro here) 03:19:07 <Stablean> <Anson> entry signal at one line is ok 03:19:21 <Stablean> <Anson> the merged line should have a normal block signal 03:19:43 <Stablean> <Anson> and the other merging line needs a 2way combo 03:21:14 <Stablean> <Anson> and a normal block signal at the merged line 03:25:20 <Stablean> <Anson> now all signals look ok 03:25:59 <Stablean> <Phillip> profits skyrocket... 03:26:42 <Stablean> <Anson> to improve the prio, you can extend it, so that trains further away from the merge point will already trigger it 03:27:32 <Stablean> <Anson> like !long prio 03:28:19 <Stablean> *** Anson has left the game (general timeout) 03:28:19 <Stablean> *** Anson has left the game (connection lost) 03:28:35 <Phillip> Not again. 03:28:57 <Stablean> *** Anson joined the game 03:30:12 <Stablean> <Anson> strange ... got network timeout message and my harddisk started to spin like crazy for a few moments 03:30:58 <Stablean> <Anson> do you see what i built at !long prio ? 03:34:58 <Stablean> <Phillip> yeah i do 03:35:26 <Stablean> <Anson> I'll destrioy it and you can build it yourself ... then trains will trigger the merging prio earlier 03:37:54 <Stablean> <Anson> connect to the side where incoming trains are ... left 03:38:36 <Stablean> <Anson> only connect to one rail, not both 03:40:28 <Stablean> <Anson> should be ok now 03:41:42 <Stablean> <Anson> it worked ... but with the speeds of trains, the prio might be even a bit longer to stop no train at all 03:42:01 <Stablean> <Anson> hehe, now you can build another prio at "bad signals 03:42:08 <Stablean> <Phillip> depots in the way. 03:42:11 <Stablean> <Phillip> okj 03:42:17 <Stablean> <Anson> there is the same problem as you had at the other prio ... 03:44:31 <Stablean> <Phillip> i forgot 03:44:45 <Stablean> <Phillip> that there is a track connected already. 03:45:35 <Stablean> <Anson> now it should work 03:45:57 <Stablean> <Phillip> die maintaince depots. 03:46:15 <Stablean> <Anson> to not accidentally get trains into the logic lines, i always use 90degree connections if possible 03:47:53 <Stablean> <Anson> yes ... works the same, butwith the other connection if ever a train should reverse direction, it might enter the logic and get stuck 03:49:03 <Stablean> <Anson> you now have the logic connected every two tiles ... it is only necessary to connect it so that a train always triggers it ... thus TL is needed 03:49:15 <Stablean> <Anson> but more connections don't hurt 03:53:23 <Stablean> <Anson> LOL ... now you have an extremely long prio ... it probably will cause almost no trains on the right track to enter .... 03:54:58 <Stablean> <Phillip> playing around with prios. 03:56:53 <Stablean> <Anson> yes ... that is the best method to learn ... don't ask me how long it took until i did the combo sighnals right (instead of exit/entry, and in the right direction .... :-) 03:57:19 <Stablean> <Phillip> I can tell right away from you saying that. 03:57:41 <Stablean> <Anson> best method is to do it offline and use the pause button to study the signals of the prio step by step 03:58:35 <Stablean> <Phillip> Bye, see you or other people later tommorow in the usual time. Morning in GMT -8. 03:58:37 <Stablean> <Phillip> ok 03:59:08 <Stablean> <Anson> when you have a split for different directions, just use normal block signals 03:59:31 <Stablean> <Anson> at "useless", there are exit signals ... don't hurt here, but make no sense either 04:00:18 <Stablean> <Anson> when you have entry and exit signals, you increase the gap, and that will hurt ... thus normal block signals are better 04:00:57 <Stablean> <Anson> and more useless exit signals :-) 04:02:12 <Stablean> *** Phillip has left the game (leaving) 04:02:13 *** Phillip has quit IRC 04:04:14 <Stablean> <Anson> WB 04:18:03 <Stablean> <Player> anyone know why I got banned while I was away? 04:18:08 <Stablean> *** Player has changed his/her name to I 04:18:22 <Stablean> *** I has joined company #8 04:19:07 <Stablean> <Anson> as far as i remember the company, someone else had played on that company and was banned 04:19:29 <Stablean> <I> I was the only one playing it 04:19:35 <Stablean> <I> I even had it passworded 04:19:45 <Stablean> <I> still someone else played it? 04:20:17 <Stablean> *** Nik joined the game 04:20:42 <Stablean> <I> Yeah that player is me 04:21:05 <Stablean> <I> no I am the same guy 04:21:23 <Stablean> <Anson> if it is you, then you now know that the admins don't like such names 04:21:57 <Stablean> <I> its just funny 04:22:07 <Stablean> <I> how you have to do what the admin "likes" 04:22:13 <Stablean> <I> its just a name 04:22:23 <Stablean> <Anson> i had written to you several times, but you didn't respond ... AFK ? ... and then some admin asked you to change the name, still no answer 04:22:26 <Stablean> <I> it doesnt come with any insults attached 04:22:50 <Stablean> <I> no I understand that 04:22:52 <Stablean> <I> I was AFK 04:22:58 <Stablean> <I> that's why I couldnt answer 04:23:06 <Stablean> <Anson> i don't find the name funny, and the admins don't either ... ask them yourself, if you want 04:23:23 <Stablean> <I> it is not meant to be funny 04:23:27 <Stablean> <Anson> on this server, people should spectate when they are AFK for some longer time 04:23:28 <Stablean> <I> its just a name 04:24:06 <Stablean> <I> I will do that next time I go afk 04:24:48 <Stablean> <Anson> if there are no players playing, the game automatically pauses ... but when people go AFK, it continues, jams may happen, and the date is advanced uselessly, skipping the arrival of new engines, etc 04:25:10 <Stablean> <I> aah yes 04:25:17 <Stablean> *** Nik has left the game (leaving) 04:27:09 <Stablean> <Anson> btw: although it might not strictly be against the rules, names like PIayer (with upper i instead of lower L) are not liked too much either ... it's only a minor thing for you to select a nice name, and i think even "I" is better liked by many than the "PIayer" 04:27:40 <Stablean> <I> well thats what I dont like 04:27:43 <Stablean> <I> rules are rules 04:27:49 <Stablean> <I> you follow them or not 04:28:03 <Stablean> <I> this business of "being liked by admins" 04:28:13 <Stablean> <I> it seems silly 04:28:28 <Stablean> <Anson> the first rule of this sever is to work nicely together ... else they could write rues like other games 04:28:47 <Stablean> <I> I totally agree with that sentiment 04:28:54 <Stablean> <I> and I do play nice with others 04:29:14 <Stablean> <I> but what gets to me is that admins ban simply because of a name 04:29:37 <Stablean> <Anson> in other games, you have to read 20 pages "rules of conduct", 5 pages of "naming conventions and allowed names", etc 04:29:38 <Stablean> <I> simply because it had the word "hitler" in it 04:30:20 <Stablean> <I> and you are telling me that in those 20 pages, "hitler" is a banned word? 04:30:36 <Stablean> <I> its just silly when people get offended by the silliest things 04:30:47 <Stablean> <Anson> that's the point ... many people don't think that that name is "simply a name", and are at least annoyed by it 04:31:15 <Stablean> <I> well let me tell you something 04:31:21 <Stablean> <I> if the real world ran like this 04:31:28 <Stablean> <I> we would have anarchy 04:31:41 <Stablean> <I> there would be only a single majority 04:31:47 <Stablean> <I> with no sense of dissent 04:31:55 <Stablean> <I> we would be in the dark ages 04:32:58 <Stablean> <Anson> look up what anarchy means 04:33:12 <Stablean> <I> state of lawlessness 04:33:15 <Stablean> <I> I know what it means 04:33:24 <Stablean> *** Diablo joined the game 04:33:40 <Stablean> *** Diablo has left the game (processing map took too long) 04:33:40 <Stablean> *** Diablo has left the game (connection lost) 04:33:56 <Stablean> <I> the world exists today only because 04:34:14 <Stablean> <I> people are forced to tolerate people who they dont like 04:34:48 <Stablean> <I> We could just simply kill off people we dont like 04:34:58 <Stablean> <I> which, ironically is what hitler did in the first place 04:44:25 <Stablean> <Anson> here is an address to read a sample naming policy of other games : http://us.battle.net/support/en/article/naming-policy 04:44:26 <Webster> Title: Naming Policy - Battle.net Support (at us.battle.net) 04:46:17 <Stablean> <Anson> Inappropriate - This category includes both clear and masked names which: Have racial/ethnic/national connotations, etc etc etc, Are otherwise considered inappropriate for the game world 04:46:32 <Stablean> <Anson> there are 3-4 pages of details 04:46:46 <Stablean> <I> yeah I can see that 04:46:53 <Stablean> <I> but those rules are not for this server 04:46:59 <Stablean> <Anson> and in the end, it boils down to "the admin decides what is appropriate or not" 04:47:21 <Stablean> <I> yes by due process 04:47:55 <Stablean> <Anson> rules for this server are easier : you didn't pay anything, the server belongs to someone, he can tell what he doesn't like (or have a few friends doing that admin work while he is not online 24/7) 04:48:49 <Stablean> <I> I am not debating the power of admins to do whatever they like 04:48:51 <Stablean> <Anson> a big company which sells a game, has to be more formal 04:49:21 <Stablean> <I> I just dissent to the idea that admin's decisions are based on what he/she "likes" 04:49:43 <Stablean> <Anson> ok, then what are you talking about ? an admin first asked you to change the name, you didn't reply for some time, and then were banned 04:50:15 <Stablean> <Anson> shall i use some legalese terms instead of simply saying "they don't like it" 04:50:15 <Stablean> <I> if an admin asked you to change your name 04:50:21 <Stablean> <I> would you not protest? 04:50:47 <Stablean> <I> the first thing you would ask "What's wrong with my name" 04:50:58 <Stablean> <I> wouldnt you? 04:51:12 <Stablean> <Anson> i might ask why, but when i am told that a name is controversial and should be changed, i would either do it or leave the server 04:51:32 <Stablean> <Anson> you were asked to change the name, you didn't do it, and then were banned 04:51:42 <Stablean> <I> say if the admin asks you to change your name "Anson" 04:51:49 <Stablean> <I> because it is controversial 04:52:03 <Stablean> <I> I have a hard time believing you wouldn't put up a fight 04:52:41 <Stablean> <Anson> what i just said : i would ask why, then either change or leave ... you were asked to "please change the controversial name", didn't answer, and then were banned 04:52:51 <Stablean> <I> that's fine 04:52:59 <Stablean> <I> I did change my name didn't I? 04:53:30 <Stablean> <I> what I dont like is you telling me that names like "I" and "Piayer" are unacceptable 04:53:36 <Stablean> <I> not because they are controversial 04:53:43 <Stablean> <I> but simply because the admins dont like it 04:53:45 <Stablean> <Anson> i am speaking of the cat 04:53:55 <Stablean> <Anson> you said that you were that player ... 04:54:03 <Stablean> <I> I am that player 04:54:13 <Stablean> <I> and I did change my name 04:54:19 <Stablean> <I> but that is as far as I will go 04:54:45 <Stablean> <Anson> tonight when you were banned, you did NOT change the name, but didn't answer 04:54:59 <Stablean> <I> I was AFK 04:55:02 <Stablean> <I> when I returned, I changed the name 04:55:41 <Stablean> <Anson> first you were asked to "change the controversial name", then were moved from active to spactators, then still didn't react, and THEN were banned 04:55:55 <Stablean> <I> that is fine 04:56:06 <Stablean> <Anson> ok, then why are you complaining now ? 04:56:28 <Stablean> <I> you just said sometime ago 04:56:42 <Stablean> <I> that names like "Player" and "I" are not liked by the admins 04:56:52 <Stablean> <I> which is when this whole conversation started 04:57:14 <Stablean> <I> so what if they dont like these names? 04:57:22 <Stablean> <I> it is not controversial 04:57:25 <Stablean> <I> it is not offensive 04:58:15 <Stablean> <Anson> with "PIayer", it is not a controversial name, but they don't want to have people come here and play anonymously. too many people are trying to play as "Player", and who doesn't want or can't change that name can't play here ... a first filter against kiddies which like to flatten the entire world etc 05:00:14 <Stablean> <Anson> all the other games state "This includes both clear and masked names which...." and PIayer is a masked version of Player 05:01:01 <Stablean> <Anson> the same would apply to "Playér" and other variants too 05:01:27 <Stablean> <Anson> is it really that hard to select another name ? 05:01:39 <Stablean> <I> of course not 05:01:55 <Stablean> <Anson> then why do you fight for that name ? 05:02:09 <Stablean> <I> On a matter of principle 05:03:03 <Stablean> <I> but you know what? 05:03:05 <Stablean> <I> forget it 05:03:16 <Stablean> <I> because it is not even worth it to fight for this here 05:03:18 <Stablean> <Anson> ok, then the owner of the server and his friends/admins will probably also make a statement of principle: who annoys them won't play here 05:03:48 <Stablean> <I> well there you have it 05:03:59 <Stablean> <I> do you see the irony now? 05:04:09 <Stablean> <I> hitler basically said the same thing 05:04:15 <Stablean> <I> people annoyed him 05:04:17 <Stablean> <I> he killed them 05:04:27 <Stablean> <I> players annoy admins 05:04:30 <Stablean> <I> admins ban them 05:04:37 <Stablean> <I> there is really no difference 05:04:59 <Stablean> <I> the irony is that admins are annoyed by someone named "hitler" 05:05:02 <Stablean> <I> that is all 05:05:21 <Stablean> <Anson> i see no irony ... when i am invuited to some strangers appartment to watch TV there, HE has the right to select what to see, and HE has the right to kick me when i misbehave 05:05:39 <Stablean> <I> that is true 05:05:47 <Stablean> *** Anson has requested an admin. (Note: Admin will read back on irc, so please do already write down your request, no need to wait.) 05:05:55 <Stablean> <I> but what is in question is what constitutes "misbehavior" 05:06:21 <Stablean> <I> if the host can arbitrarily decide what "misbehavior" is 05:06:39 <Stablean> <I> then no different from hitler 05:07:05 <Stablean> <I> its not an issue specifically with the server 05:07:08 <Stablean> <Anson> do you really mean that ????? you just said : people annoyed hitler and he killed them - players annoy admins and they ban them - THERE IS REALLY NO DIFFERENCE !!!! - do you really mean that ?????? 05:07:10 <Stablean> <I> or anything 05:07:40 <Stablean> <I> of course 05:07:42 <Stablean> <I> it is the same thing 05:07:48 <Stablean> <I> except 05:07:54 <Stablean> <I> in one situation, one has less power 05:08:13 <Stablean> *** {kondi97[PL]} has started a new company (#9) 05:08:15 <Stablean> *** {kondi97[PL]} joined the game 05:08:35 <Stablean> <Anson> hallo, kondi 05:09:14 <Stablean> <I> This issue is not just about this server 05:09:24 <Stablean> <I> infact this server is not the issue at all 05:09:30 <Stablean> <I> but people in real life behave like this sometimes 05:11:08 <Stablean> <Anson> the issue is that you are free to leave without harm. if you don't like someone or someone's server, you don't need to stay. But if someone doesn't agree with a dictator, he has no choice. 05:11:32 <Stablean> <I> that is true 05:11:58 <Stablean> <I> it is sad for those people stuck under dictators 05:12:16 <Stablean> <I> these people for whom death is the only release 05:12:18 <Stablean> <Anson> and saying that "to follow what a host asks from you when you are invited for free" is the same as killing millions of people, .... 05:13:05 <Stablean> <I> the situations are of course not identical 05:13:19 <Stablean> <I> we are talking about lives vs internet game 05:13:29 <Stablean> <I> of course they are magnitudes apart 05:13:39 <Stablean> <I> but you can clearly draw some parallels 05:14:02 <Stablean> <I> when you disregard all the subjective biases associated with hitler and the whole holocaust 05:14:24 <Stablean> <I> what it comes down to is that he didnt like certain groups of people 05:14:27 <Stablean> <I> so he had them eliminated 05:14:37 <Stablean> <Anson> you said "there is really no difference" between "killing people who don't agree" and "banning people who annoy players and admins" 05:14:56 <Stablean> <I> I stand corrected 05:15:14 <Stablean> <I> what I meant was that the essence of the two situations are really no different 05:15:28 <Stablean> <Anson> but you see now that it is a controversial name .... 05:15:48 <Stablean> <I> I dont agree with that 05:16:12 <Stablean> <Anson> and you only were politely asked to change that name (at first), and were banned when you didn't react to several warnings 05:16:15 <Stablean> <I> But I do agree with your point that the owner is free to do whatever he wants 05:17:23 <Stablean> <Anson> a dictator takes the freedom to do whaever he wants and nobody can evade. a server admin has the right to invite only friends and you are free to leave and go to another server without harm 05:17:43 <Stablean> <I> that is all fine 05:19:26 <Stablean> <I> also, to set the record straight 05:19:48 <Stablean> <I> I dont have any hard feelings that the admins banned me 05:20:00 <Stablean> <I> its just that I dont agree with the process of making these decisions 05:23:38 <Stablean> <Anson> decision process was easy : you were here yesterday with that name, then changed it (to Hit and not something else like Cat, which made your argument invalid that the cat was not bad and why not use it as name), then came back tonight with the same old name, then didn't react to messages, were kicked from active to spectator to wake you up, were asked politely again, still didn't react, then were banned ... what else do you 05:24:02 <Stablean> <I> wait 05:24:06 <Stablean> <I> whats wrong with Hit? 05:24:21 <Stablean> <Anson> are you trolling me ? 05:24:31 <Stablean> <I> no I am serious 05:24:46 <Stablean> <Anson> are you 10 or younger ? 05:25:02 <Stablean> <I> no 05:25:20 <Stablean> <I> Now you're trolling me 05:25:34 <Stablean> <Anson> you tried to explain that the CAT was not the evil one, and then didn't change the name to CAT, but to an abbreviation of the other name .... 05:26:04 <Stablean> <I> yes but apparently the Cat was evil 05:26:14 <Stablean> <I> evil enough to get banned 05:26:28 <Stablean> <I> But "Hit" is simply a word 05:26:54 <Stablean> <I> now do you see the silliness? 05:27:00 <Stablean> <Anson> if you would have logged in with "Hit" as name, nobody would have said anything, perfectly ok when you don't tell what "Hit" stands for ... but with the old name, it was clear what "Hit" stood for 05:27:38 <Stablean> <I> Oh so now in your mind, "Hit" would mean "Hitler" ? 05:27:46 <Stablean> <I> Come on now 05:28:20 <Stablean> <Anson> when you are asked to remove hitler from your nickname and then rename yourself to hit ... what should people think of that ? 05:28:40 <Stablean> <I> They should think that I complied with the admin's request 05:28:43 <Stablean> <I> and leave it at that 05:28:57 <Stablean> <I> "Hit" is by no means a controversial name 05:29:15 <Stablean> <I> Next you are going to tell me that I cant name myself "H" 05:29:22 <Stablean> <I> cause "H" is short for "Hit" 05:29:28 <Stablean> <I> which is short for "Hitler" 05:29:38 <Stablean> <Anson> try telling that at daytime when more people are around, or an admin is awake, and you will get banned in all incarnations, as hit, as cat, as piayer, and as i .... 05:29:50 <Stablean> <I> yeah see 05:29:54 <Stablean> <I> Right there 05:30:01 <Stablean> <I> Right there is what is wrong 05:30:16 <Stablean> <I> I have been playing on this server for a few games now 05:30:22 <Stablean> <I> I have been polite 05:30:28 <Stablean> <I> I have followed the rules 05:30:32 <Stablean> <I> I have changed by name 05:30:43 <Stablean> <I> and now we are having a conversation 05:30:58 <Stablean> <I> and you claim that I will be banned simply because I disagree with youj 05:31:04 <Stablean> <I> Right there is the problem 05:31:22 <Stablean> <I> and I dont mean here 05:31:25 <Stablean> <I> I mean the whole world 05:31:38 <Stablean> <I> Do you get what I mean now? 05:31:46 <Stablean> <Anson> Hit (without context) is not controversial, and you were not kicked yesterday after you had changed your name to that ... but it added up to tonight when you didn't change the long version which you had chosen again when you logged in 05:32:16 <Stablean> <I> You cannot be seriously telling me that you have a problem with the name "Hit" 05:32:54 <Stablean> <Anson> you were NOT banned because you named yourself Hit yesterday. you were banned because you didn't change the full name tonight 05:33:05 <Stablean> <I> a 05:33:15 <Stablean> <I> yeah I and I am okay with that 05:33:25 <Stablean> <I> Yeah and I am okay with that 05:33:51 <Stablean> <I> But you just said you have a problem with the name "Hit" 05:34:14 <Stablean> <Anson> when deciding whether to kick you, ban you, or wait a little more, the fact added to the decision that yesterday, you had renamed yourself, but in contrast to what you said (the cat was not bad) you renamed yourself to an abbreviaion of the full name 05:34:17 <Stablean> <I> which is what I was responding to 05:34:55 <Stablean> <Anson> when someone names himself hit without any context, i have no problem with that name 05:35:01 <Stablean> <I> Well "hit" is a word 05:35:09 <Stablean> <I> If you go say "hit" on the street 05:35:20 <Stablean> <I> absolutly no one would think it meant "hitler" 05:35:26 <Stablean> <Anson> but when someone is told to not use hitler in the username and then renames himself to an abbreviation of that name, it is something different 05:35:28 <Stablean> <I> You said I have a controversial name 05:35:30 <Stablean> <I> I renamed it 05:35:32 <Stablean> <I> what more do you want? 05:35:42 <Stablean> <I> I am following the rules here 05:36:24 <Stablean> <Anson> stop trolling ... tinight you did NOT change your name, and tnight you were banned ... don't start mixing up that you changed the name yesterday and were banned today 05:36:34 <Stablean> <I> forget about tonight 05:36:38 <Stablean> <I> I got banned tonight 05:36:44 <Stablean> <I> I dont deny that 05:36:50 <Stablean> <I> nor do I protest the ban 05:37:00 <Stablean> <I> The ban is fine by me 05:37:10 <Stablean> <I> in fact, If I was here instead of being AFK 05:37:17 <Stablean> <I> I would have changed my name immediately 05:37:21 <Stablean> <Anson> yes ... and you were not banned yesterday when you changed your name ... and you were not banned as Piayer and not as "I" either ... so wat do you want ? 05:37:23 <Stablean> <I> just like I did last night 05:37:34 <Stablean> <I> I dont want anything 05:37:37 <Stablean> <I> What do you want? 05:37:47 <Stablean> <I> You are the one who stated that you dont like the name "Hit" 05:38:58 <Stablean> <Anson> i always stated that i don't like the name "hit" when it is a name change (abbreviation) from the name you shouldn't use 05:39:25 <Stablean> <I> it is just a word 05:39:31 <Stablean> <I> You hit something 05:39:37 <Stablean> <Anson> i always stated that someone entering the server and naming himself hit without that context would be ok 05:40:07 <Stablean> *** I has left the game (leaving) 05:40:22 <Stablean> *** Hit joined the game 05:40:23 <Stablean> <Hit> how about now? 05:40:31 <Stablean> <Hit> No context here 05:40:41 <Stablean> <Anson> if you are telling that using half a name that you shouldn't use would be ok, you are trolling 05:41:11 <Stablean> <Hit> I dont know what to tell you 05:41:17 <Stablean> <Anson> after that discussion, there is still a context .... 05:41:27 <Stablean> <Hit> Every name is bound to be half a word of something offensive 05:41:39 <Stablean> *** Hit has changed his/her name to I 05:41:47 <Stablean> <I> You cant just ban every single word 05:41:53 <Stablean> <Anson> and the discussion we had was not about hit, or changing your name yesterday, but it was because you asked why you were banned 05:42:07 <Stablean> <I> and you told me why 05:42:14 <Stablean> <I> and I accepted the ban 05:42:25 <Stablean> <I> even though I disagreed with the process 05:42:29 <Stablean> <I> which is fine 05:42:40 <Stablean> <I> Disagreement is good in a community 05:42:50 <Stablean> <I> I dont have a problem with that 05:43:01 <Stablean> <I> we didn't start talking about "Hit" until you brought it up 05:43:13 <Stablean> <Anson> no ... you tried to find arguments that they shouldn't have banned you, you mixed up last night and tonight, you stated that killing millions and banning someone here would be the same, etc etc etc 05:43:47 <Stablean> <I> I protested to the decision making process 05:43:53 <Stablean> <I> If I had a problem with the ban 05:44:00 <Stablean> <I> I would have spoken to an admin 05:44:03 <Stablean> <I> directly 05:44:18 <Stablean> <I> the comparison was merely to point out the irony 05:44:40 <Stablean> <kondi97[PL]> help me I need money 05:44:55 <Stablean> *** I has joined company #8 05:45:27 <Stablean> <I> look I have been playing on this server for a few games now 05:45:33 <Stablean> <I> I have followed all the rules 05:45:39 <Stablean> <Anson> kondi, you only have 280k$ load, but you may have up to 1 million $ loan ... just borrow more m,oney 05:45:39 <Stablean> <kondi97[PL]> sorry 05:45:45 <Stablean> <I> you asked me to change my name last night 05:45:47 <Stablean> <I> I did 05:46:15 <Stablean> <I> we are just having a discussion here 05:46:33 <Stablean> <Anson> yes ... you did, and thus there was no more problem last night ... you were not banned and no big discussion 05:47:19 <Stablean> <Anson> the problem is that you used that same name again tonight, and admin asked you to change it and you did NOT change it ... and thus were banned 05:47:37 <Stablean> <I> first of all, I used the name because it had been defaulted 05:47:47 <Stablean> <Anson> and later started a discussion why you were banned and that that decision process was unfair etc 05:47:53 <Stablean> <I> Because I forgot to change it last night after I left the game 05:48:13 <Stablean> <Anson> then default another less controversial name, or change the name as soon as you are ingame 05:48:28 <Stablean> <I> I forgot about it 05:48:32 <Stablean> <I> so I got banned 05:48:38 <Stablean> <I> I paid for it 05:48:41 <Stablean> <I> now what more do you want? 05:48:51 <Stablean> <I> I am not allowed to say that the process was unfair? 05:49:01 <Stablean> <Anson> nothing more than that you accept it and don't d it again 05:49:03 <Stablean> <I> I am just expressing my opinion here 05:49:27 <Stablean> <I> Well you dont tell me to do anything 05:49:45 <Stablean> <I> If you ask, I will consider it 05:49:53 <Stablean> <I> If the admin asks, I will do it 05:50:16 <Stablean> <Anson> who forgot to change the name ? who went AFK ? who didn't answer the admins ? it was all you ... 05:50:20 <Stablean> *** Diablo joined the game 05:50:29 <Stablean> <I> You are just beating the dead horse here 05:50:35 <Stablean> *** Diablo has left the game (processing map took too long) 05:50:35 <Stablean> *** Diablo has left the game (connection lost) 05:50:39 <Stablean> <I> I agree that I did all that 05:50:39 <Stablean> <Anson> yesterday, i only gave you the hint to change it, and didn't call an admin 05:50:42 <Stablean> <I> So I got banned 05:50:53 <Stablean> <Anson> tonight, the admins noticed it themselves and tried talking to you 05:50:57 <Stablean> <I> So I paid for it 05:50:59 <Stablean> <I> now it is even 05:51:01 <Stablean> <I> what now? 05:51:16 <Stablean> <I> Again, If I was not AFK, I would have complied immediately 05:51:47 <Stablean> <I> Expressing my opinion that the process is unfair is different from not complying to the admin 05:51:48 <Stablean> <Anson> now you know that you shouldn't use that name, no matter whether an admin is online or not ... 05:51:59 <Stablean> <I> that is where we disagree 05:52:13 <Stablean> <I> I think the original name was perfectly fine 05:52:23 <Stablean> <I> no cat harmed anyone 05:52:49 <Stablean> <I> But you didn't like it, so i chaned 05:52:59 <Stablean> <I> changed 05:53:05 <Stablean> <Anson> as i said : try teling that when someone else is listening or an admin reads the chatlog ..... 05:53:17 <Stablean> <I> and what? 05:53:20 <Stablean> <I> what would happen? 05:53:30 <Stablean> <I> they would ban me for expressing my opinion? 05:53:45 <Stablean> <I> I assure you, they would not 05:53:56 <Stablean> <I> the admins are not immature like that 05:54:27 <Stablean> <I> and I dont know why you feel that talking about this 05:54:33 <Stablean> <I> is going to get me banned 05:54:59 <Stablean> <Anson> if you tell them that the long name is fine and you use it, you will get banned 05:55:21 <Stablean> <I> well the point is that I did NOT use it 05:55:44 <Stablean> <I> If I was not afk, I would have changed immediately today 05:55:53 <Stablean> <I> but I was, so I was 05:55:55 <Stablean> <I> banned 05:56:05 <Stablean> <I> fair deal 05:56:18 *** TWerkhoven[l] has joined #openttdcoop.stable 05:56:28 <Stablean> <I> but that has nothing to do with the fact that I disagree with it 05:56:36 <Stablean> <I> and now we are just having a discussion about it 05:56:47 <Stablean> <I> and now you claim that if the admins read this, I would be banned 05:56:57 <Stablean> <I> why? Simply because I talked about it? 05:57:08 <Stablean> <I> That is non-sense 05:57:38 <Stablean> <Anson> if you reapeat what you said, like "the original name was ok", or "killing = banning", etc 05:57:58 <Stablean> <I> you still dont understand what I am trying to say 05:58:11 <Stablean> <I> when I express an opinion on a public forum such as this 05:58:29 <Stablean> <I> any reasonable person who is conducting the forum would allow it 05:58:40 <Stablean> <I> after all, I am following all the rules 05:59:35 <Stablean> <I> no reasonable person would ban simply because I dont agree with him/her 05:59:35 <Stablean> <Anson> this should be an ingame means of discussion about game related things (mostly), not a public forum for discussions about poltics, server organization, cats, and wheher holocaust is the same as banning people from private servers 05:59:57 <Stablean> <I> well isnt that exactly what we are doing right now? 06:00:07 <Stablean> <I> We are just talking here 06:00:57 <Stablean> <Anson> until recently, we were solo here (besides people reading IRC) ... that's why i said "when more people are here" 06:01:17 <Stablean> <I> Even if there were 1000 people here 06:01:35 <Stablean> <I> each and every one of them is entitled to their opinion 06:02:09 <Stablean> <I> look I am not trying to be hostile here 06:02:11 <Stablean> <Anson> then this discussion would be inappropriate and do harm to the intended use (playing and discussing elemnts of the game) 06:02:21 <Stablean> <I> and I am not some crazy holocaust denier 06:02:49 <Stablean> <I> Well it takes two to have a discussion 06:03:07 <Stablean> <I> If you do not wish to have it, then dont have it 06:03:14 <Stablean> <kondi97[PL]> bey 06:03:22 <Stablean> *** kondi97[PL] has left the game (leaving) 06:13:45 <Stablean> *** Lucas/CZE/ joined the game 06:40:33 <Stablean> *** ROM5419 joined the game 06:43:15 *** ODM has joined #openttdcoop.stable 06:43:15 *** ChanServ sets mode: +o ODM 06:44:54 <Stablean> *** ROM5419 has started a new company (#10) 06:47:38 <Stablean> *** ROM5419 has left the game (general timeout) 06:47:38 <Stablean> *** ROM5419 has left the game (connection lost) 06:48:47 <Stablean> *** ROM5419 joined the game 07:38:03 <Stablean> *** ROM5419 has left the game (leaving) 07:45:11 <Stablean> *** Lucas/CZE/ has left the game (leaving) 07:58:16 <Stablean> *** ACM joined the game 08:08:39 <Stablean> <ACM> nope 08:08:41 <Stablean> <ACM> oh yes 08:09:07 <Stablean> <I> what do you need? 08:09:10 <Stablean> <I> maybe I can help 08:09:20 <Stablean> <ACM> So if I want to bankrupt my company, just run ships. 08:09:31 <Stablean> <I> yes 08:09:37 <Stablean> <I> but ships are disabled 08:09:59 <Stablean> <ACM> Well how are you supposed to bankrupt a company then> 08:09:59 <Stablean> <ACM> ? 08:10:02 <Stablean> <Anson> if you want to start over, just have no vehicles and join spectators ... unused companies will be sold soon 08:10:25 <Stablean> <ACM> Okay. 08:10:59 <Stablean> <Anson> I, how are ships disabled ? 08:11:09 <Stablean> <I> oh 08:11:23 <Stablean> <I> I thought they were 08:11:25 <Stablean> <I> Strange 08:11:36 <Stablean> <Anson> they are only discouraged by bein very costly, and the limit is 5 ships per company 08:11:46 <Stablean> <I> I couldnt build a depot before 08:11:49 <Stablean> <I> Maybe i was a spectator then 08:11:52 <Stablean> <I> my bad 08:11:59 <Stablean> *** ACM has started a new company (#11) 08:12:16 <Stablean> <Anson> just built a depo ... no problem 08:12:22 <Stablean> <I> Yeah 08:12:40 <Stablean> *** Player has left the game (leaving) 08:12:40 <Stablean> <I> I was seeing things 08:12:48 <Stablean> <I> that werent there 08:13:18 <Stablean> <Anson> ships and planes are discouraged in all normal games on this server (last game was a server reset with some default parameters) 08:13:52 <Stablean> <I> well its no easy task running them 08:13:58 <Stablean> <I> They have huge operating costs 08:14:13 <Stablean> <Anson> planes are relatively for this server) cheap this time : 500 million to buy a concorde and only(!) 40 million running costs 08:14:28 <Stablean> <I> lol 08:14:34 <Stablean> <I> and that is cheap 08:14:36 <Stablean> <I> okay 08:15:19 <Stablean> <Anson> normal prices for ships and planes are something like buying at normal prices or up to 500 millions, and running costs 500 millions 08:15:45 <Stablean> <Anson> thus 40 mil running costs is "relatively cheap" :-) 08:16:05 <Stablean> <I> yeah 08:18:47 <Stablean> <Anson> with bigger networks and after 2000, you can earn 100+ mil, and huge networks at 2100 "easily"earn 1 billion .... 08:19:10 <Stablean> <I> per year? 08:19:26 <Stablean> <Anson> thus they can afford to buy two concorde per year, and pay running costs for 25 of them ... 08:20:04 <Stablean> <I> but I guess you need like 500 trains for that no? 08:21:38 <Stablean> <Anson> i had a network (offline) with 300+ trains, going across the whole map (1000+ tiles) ... several iron mines with max production (2000+), then steel and then goods, everything with fast trains and long distance 08:22:57 <Stablean> <I> I had this one game I played under TTDPatch 08:23:15 <Stablean> <I> I spent a couple of years on that single game I think 08:23:33 <Stablean> <I> not everyday gaming. But every weekend or so 08:23:53 <Stablean> <I> That is the only time I made a network that was really large 08:24:09 <Stablean> <I> I had a factory going at 25k goods delivered 08:24:19 <Stablean> <Anson> just imagine my company ... earning 4+ mil now ... in 100+ years, with trains 3 times as fast and twice the cargo, resources producing 5-10 times as much .... 08:24:45 <Stablean> <I> yeah 08:25:00 <Stablean> <Anson> i read somewhere that something like 25k cargo would be the max possible 08:25:18 <Stablean> <I> is that like a coding limit? 08:25:28 <Stablean> <I> or a dynamic limit? 08:25:36 <Stablean> <I> like limited by game mechanics? 08:25:50 <Stablean> <Anson> some PBS game with the goal to get 100k cargo ... succeeded in 2100+ 08:26:20 <Stablean> <Anson> there is some production limit per tile ... for a factory it would be 27k total 08:26:30 <Stablean> <I> I see 08:26:32 <Stablean> <Anson> but probably depends on the GRFs too 08:35:27 <Stablean> <Anson> let's see how upgrading my very old trains works ... still was using trains from 1944 with 130 kph and 1st gen wagons ... now 160 kph, doubled power, 50% more TE, and 50% more cargo capacity ... 08:36:45 <Stablean> <I> what is the relationship between TE, HP and acceleration? 08:37:11 <Stablean> <I> TE is the torque produced right? 08:37:21 <Stablean> <Anson> you need enough power to reach the maximum speed, and you need lots of TE to have good acceleration 08:37:35 <Stablean> <I> I see 08:37:39 <Stablean> <I> So TE is like torque in cars 08:38:26 <Stablean> <Anson> the trains with the most power and TE are "strong", but they are slowest ... and the fast trains have some power to get speed, but almost no TE 08:38:48 <Stablean> <I> gotcha 08:39:26 <Stablean> <Anson> thus fast trains are best suited for light cargo and long distance where they can accelerate slowly and then drive without interruptions ... thus crossings and merges have to be built carefully, with prios, etc 08:40:07 <Stablean> <V453000> hi 08:40:08 <Stablean> *** V453000 joined the game 08:40:31 <Stablean> <Anson> hehe, as soon as we speak of the nice train set, V appears :-) 08:40:35 <Stablean> <V453000> :d 08:40:38 <Stablean> <V453000> just woke up 08:41:01 <Stablean> <I> this trainset is V's creation? 08:41:07 <Stablean> <ACM> Town grows every 284 days!? 08:41:29 <Stablean> <V453000> yes it is written in the newgrf info :p 08:41:39 <Stablean> <I> aah I see 08:41:46 <Stablean> <I> It is amazing 08:41:49 <Stablean> <V453000> thank you :) 08:41:51 <Stablean> <I> I love this trainset 08:41:57 <Stablean> <Anson> the universal wagons of the set are a blessing for refitting networks :-) ... see my company name :-) 08:42:20 <Stablean> <V453000> hehe 08:43:35 <Stablean> <Anson> hehe, my income increased "a bit" after i upgraded old trains from 1944 (130 kph, 1st gen wagons) to the newest 160 kph and 2nd gen wagons 08:44:33 <Stablean> <Anson> V, you are still working on the graphics of trains ? 08:45:12 <Stablean> <Anson> at least at first and second sight, some engines have the same graphics, like zombie autopilot and thunder kiss 08:45:38 <Stablean> <Anson> or no control and spitfire 08:45:56 <Stablean> <V453000> oh sure I am 08:46:06 <Stablean> <V453000> just not as rapidly as in the beginning 08:46:12 <Stablean> <V453000> dont have that much time lately 08:46:26 <Stablean> <V453000> but right now I am redrawing local passenger trains 08:46:28 <Stablean> <V453000> for rail 08:46:36 <Stablean> <V453000> also they will have a new visual feature 08:46:46 <Stablean> <Anson> doesn't matter to have temporary duplicates ... as long as we know that you sometime will make them all different 08:46:58 <Stablean> <V453000> sometime, I will :) 08:47:09 <Stablean> <V453000> it takes an enormous amount of time 08:47:15 <Stablean> <Anson> "soon" (tm) .... :-) 08:47:29 <Stablean> <V453000> nah not even saying soon :) 08:47:44 <Stablean> <V453000> having each train unique is like almost the last priority 08:48:02 <Stablean> <V453000> but well not that many other things to do now 08:48:12 <Stablean> <V453000> after all, redrawing the rail local trains does exactly that ^^ 08:48:46 <Stablean> <V453000> by the way Anson, your priority signals are turned the wrong way around 08:48:56 <Stablean> <V453000> ok with exceptions 08:49:15 <Stablean> <V453000> only on exit from Bondwood Forest 08:49:26 <Stablean> <V453000> and Rafingfield Fores 08:49:28 <Stablean> <V453000> t 08:49:46 <Stablean> <Anson> thanks 08:49:48 <Stablean> <V453000> anyway, I will be going :) enjoy 08:49:52 <Stablean> <Anson> fixed 08:50:00 <Stablean> <V453000> btw 08:50:11 <Stablean> <V453000> how much ridiculous are the colours of wagons now? :D 08:50:42 <Stablean> <V453000> when flatbeds and tankers are included in the colouring 08:50:45 <Stablean> <Anson> my cargo wagons are monocolored, don't hut the eye :-) 08:51:12 <Stablean> <V453000> using 1 cargo :D zz 08:52:07 <Stablean> <Anson> colorful reains are a nice feature, but i prefer having more equally colored trains ... maybe using one different color for every pickup would be nice, but not random 08:53:41 <Stablean> <Anson> that also would concern refitting ... would be nice to have two options to select from when giving refit orders ... one for the type and one for the color, eg "oil, with same color", or "same cargo with green" 08:53:55 <Stablean> <V453000> each cargo = 1 colour 08:54:01 <Stablean> <V453000> myeah 08:54:12 <Stablean> <V453000> but for example steel turns into flatbed 08:54:18 <Stablean> <V453000> that isnt a problem? :D 08:54:30 <Stablean> <V453000> and yes, refit is regarded as in for example steel is like blue hoppers -> blue flatbeds 08:54:32 <Stablean> <Anson> hehe, i am only dreaming ... no real suggestion sine that would be lots of work, probably also lots of work in the program itself 08:54:35 <Stablean> <V453000> :P 08:55:01 <Stablean> <V453000> but I understand that the unity of colours point 08:55:07 <Stablean> <V453000> it is a bit of a parrot now 08:55:21 <Stablean> <V453000> but idk I dont mind it :D 08:55:52 <Stablean> <Anson> on some other network, i marked trains by putting the second engine behind the first wagon for the first pickup, behind the second wagon for the second pickup, etc ... 08:56:06 <Stablean> <Anson> would be nice to use different colors for that purpose 08:56:44 <Stablean> <Anson> and thus i had the idea that trains would have to be refitted with orders "different cargo, but same color" 08:56:54 <Stablean> <V453000> ah yes 08:57:00 <Stablean> <V453000> well that is a lot of pain indeed :) 08:57:06 <Stablean> <Anson> or "same cargo, but different color" 08:57:16 <Stablean> <V453000> yeah would need additional refit options, like pax trains 08:57:24 <Stablean> <V453000> which ... would be more annoying than gaining I think 08:57:50 <Stablean> <V453000> either way, thanks for feedback, I have to run away 08:57:52 <Stablean> <V453000> cya 08:57:54 <Stablean> *** V453000 has left the game (leaving) 08:58:46 <Stablean> <Anson> hehe, with the new trains, income went from 4.0 M$ to 6.5 M$ 09:08:42 <Stablean> *** lolwut joined the game 09:21:52 <Stablean> *** Supremacy joined the game 09:22:40 <Stablean> <ACM> Okay. I'm bored now. 09:22:55 <Stablean> <ACM> I'm just going to nuke my company now. 09:26:05 <Stablean> <ACM> Hey, what dock type is that? 09:26:20 <Stablean> <ACM> Oh, new version of CHIPS. 09:27:32 <Stablean> *** Diablo joined the game 09:27:45 <Stablean> *** ACM has left the game (leaving) 09:27:47 <Stablean> *** Diablo has left the game (processing map took too long) 09:27:47 <Stablean> *** Diablo has left the game (connection lost) 09:28:08 <Stablean> *** Diablo joined the game 09:28:24 <Stablean> *** Diablo has left the game (processing map took too long) 09:28:24 <Stablean> *** Diablo has left the game (connection lost) 09:31:15 <Stablean> <I> wow my income skyrocketted after I turned on goods 09:31:29 <Stablean> <lolwut> anyone wants to take over my company? 09:31:36 <Stablean> <lolwut> 78 million € 09:31:46 <Stablean> <lolwut> otherwise im just going to build a boat 09:31:50 <Stablean> <Anson> hehe, green dropped a bit ... just looking at the graph :-) 09:32:09 <Stablean> <I> I do like your island 09:32:27 <Stablean> <I> but I think ima call it a night 09:32:30 <Stablean> <I> gnite guys 09:32:36 <Stablean> <Supremacy> bye 09:32:36 <Stablean> <Anson> lolwut ... there are still 4 slots free for new companies ... you can come back later ... 09:32:46 <Stablean> <lolwut> nah, i dont like this round 09:32:50 <Stablean> *** I has left the game (leaving) 09:33:02 <Stablean> <lolwut> wont come back 09:33:52 <Stablean> <lolwut> bankrupcy here u come 09:33:58 <Stablean> <lolwut> 62 09:34:05 <Stablean> <lolwut> 55 09:34:16 <Stablean> <lolwut> 45 09:34:26 <Stablean> <lolwut> just dont buy it ppl 09:34:32 <Stablean> *** lolwut has joined spectators 09:34:44 <Stablean> *** lolwut has left the game (leaving) 09:55:36 <Stablean> *** Diablo joined the game 09:55:51 <Stablean> *** Diablo has left the game (processing map took too long) 09:55:52 <Stablean> *** Diablo has left the game (connection lost) 10:13:12 <Stablean> *** ROM5419 joined the game 10:14:52 <Stablean> *** Supremacy has left the game (leaving) 10:24:30 <Stablean> *** ROM5419 has left the game (leaving) 11:18:11 <Stablean> *** Anson has joined spectators 11:18:11 <Stablean> *** Game paused (number of players) 11:26:36 <Stablean> *** Game unpaused (number of players) 11:26:38 <Stablean> *** Supremacy joined the game 11:41:52 *** LoPo_ has joined #openttdcoop.stable 11:43:04 *** LoPo_ is now known as LoPo 11:45:53 *** LoPo has quit IRC 11:46:10 *** LoPo has joined #openttdcoop.stable 11:52:13 <LoPo> @op 11:52:13 *** Webster sets mode: +o LoPo 11:58:14 <Mazur> !neer 11:59:12 <Stablean> *** Lucas/CZE/ joined the game 12:13:31 <Stablean> *** :) joined the game 12:13:40 <Stablean> <:)> hi 12:13:42 <Stablean> <Supremacy> hi 12:13:44 <Stablean> <Lucas/CZE/> hi 12:17:29 <Stablean> *** happy tran sport joined the game 12:22:42 <Stablean> *** happy tran sport has joined company #3 12:29:06 <Stablean> <Supremacy> happy, you've got some problems with tracks. Not all of them are electrified 12:29:28 <Stablean> <happy tran sport> yep i am up grading my trans 12:29:30 <Stablean> <Supremacy> check sign 12:40:35 <Stablean> *** :) has left the game (leaving) 13:10:28 <Stablean> *** Supremacy has left the game (leaving) 13:22:04 <Stablean> *** Player has left the game (leaving) 13:27:07 <Stablean> *** ROM5419 joined the game 13:27:16 <Stablean> *** ROM5419 has joined company #10 13:29:36 <Stablean> *** Anson has left the game (general timeout) 13:29:36 <Stablean> *** Anson has left the game (connection lost) 13:32:14 <Stablean> *** :) joined the game 13:33:17 *** Anson has quit IRC 13:42:11 <Stablean> *** happy tran sport has left the game (leaving) 13:42:45 *** Dom__ has joined #openttdcoop.stable 13:45:06 <Stablean> *** :) has left the game (leaving) 13:49:57 <Stablean> *** Supremacy joined the game 13:53:12 <Stablean> *** ROM5419 has left the game (general timeout) 13:53:12 <Stablean> *** ROM5419 has left the game (connection lost) 13:53:51 <Stablean> *** ROM5419 joined the game 13:54:07 <Stablean> <ROM5419> f***ing AVP.exe 13:59:21 <Stablean> *** happy tran sport joined the game 14:00:20 <Stablean> *** happy tran sport has joined company #3 14:06:26 <Stablean> *** Supremacy has left the game (leaving) 14:11:18 <Stablean> *** {[FR]Syl59} joined the game 14:11:27 <Stablean> <[FR]Syl59> Hello all 14:11:30 <Stablean> <ROM5419> hi 14:11:40 <Stablean> <happy tran sport> hi 14:11:43 <Stablean> <[FR]Syl59> Rom, You're back ? 14:11:49 <Stablean> <ROM5419> erm... what? 14:12:03 <Stablean> <[FR]Syl59> I think you were ban by V 14:12:11 <Stablean> <ROM5419> of course im banned 14:12:18 <Stablean> <[FR]Syl59> and ? 14:12:28 <Stablean> <ROM5419> from being online when he's online. 14:12:39 <Stablean> <[FR]Syl59> Ok ... xD 14:16:45 <Stablean> *** happy tran sport has left the game (leaving) 14:17:01 <Stablean> *** Lucas/CZE/ has left the game (leaving) 14:17:06 <Stablean> <ROM5419> gtg in 5 mins 14:17:33 <Stablean> <ROM5419> syl59, do you wanna co-op with me? :D 14:17:47 <Stablean> <[FR]Syl59> xD I think I want to coop with happy 14:17:50 <Stablean> <ROM5419> ok 14:17:52 <Stablean> <[FR]Syl59> If he is agree x) 14:18:02 <Stablean> <ROM5419> happy just GG adi 14:18:48 <Stablean> <ROM5419> and my personal dictatorship is now 40% megalopolis, 40% rainforest, 20% desert :D 14:19:12 <Stablean> <[FR]Syl59> xDD 14:19:54 *** Ammler has quit IRC 14:19:58 *** Ammler has joined #openttdcoop.stable 14:19:58 *** kilo.oftc.net sets mode: +ov Ammler Ammler 14:21:34 <Stablean> <ROM5419> btw, its not THAT easy to get banned... bad publicity and dont forget the karma meter 14:21:39 *** Ammler has quit IRC 14:22:57 *** Ammler has joined #openttdcoop.stable 14:22:57 *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Ammler 14:38:25 <Stablean> <ROM5419> ok, gtg 14:40:03 <Stablean> *** ROM5419 has left the game (leaving) 14:40:03 <Stablean> *** Game paused (number of players) 14:45:11 <Stablean> *** [FR]Syl59 has left the game (leaving) 14:54:17 *** Phillip has joined #openttdcoop.stable 14:55:11 <Stablean> *** Game unpaused (number of players) 14:55:12 <Stablean> *** Phillip joined the game 15:19:27 <Stablean> *** lolwut joined the game 15:19:40 <Stablean> <lolwut> lol, noone took over my island? 15:34:27 <Stablean> <Phillip> I'm starting to know how prios are built and work. 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19:04:58 <Stablean> <Chris Booth> :( 19:17:20 <Stablean> *** happy tran sport joined the game 19:17:59 <Stablean> <happy tran sport> hi all 19:18:01 <Stablean> <Dnz-Ali> hi 19:18:01 <Stablean> <Chris Booth> hi happy tran sport 19:19:56 <Stablean> *** Lucas/CZE/ has left the game (leaving) 19:20:45 <Stablean> *** happy tran sport has joined company #3 19:20:57 <Stablean> <happy tran sport> how things going 19:29:45 *** freshmeatt has joined #openttdcoop.stable 19:31:01 <Stablean> *** Martinos joined the game 19:32:17 <Stablean> *** Martinos has left the game (leaving) 19:42:47 <Stablean> *** Liuk Sk has joined company #11 19:45:42 <Stablean> *** Lucas/CZE/ joined the game 19:46:18 <Stablean> *** Phillip has joined company #3 19:51:06 <Stablean> *** Lucas/CZE/ has joined company #5 19:51:24 <Stablean> *** Lucas/CZE/ has left the game (leaving) 19:51:48 <Stablean> <Dnz-Ali> aaa :D tnx 19:54:32 <Stablean> *** Dave has started a new company (#12) 19:54:33 <Stablean> *** Dave joined the game 19:55:56 <Stablean> *** Dnz-Ali has joined spectators 20:01:19 <Stablean> *** Dnz-Ali has joined company #11 20:01:24 <Stablean> <Chris Booth> wb Dnz-Ali 20:08:17 *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Mks 20:08:17 *** ChanServ changes topic to "#openttdcoop Welcome to OpenTTD Server | 1.2.1 | Admin channel (ask for op) | IF you prepare map, read http://wiki.openttdcoop.org/Map_Preparation | run !setdef after loading a new game" 20:08:46 <Stablean> *** Dom has left the game (leaving) 20:12:02 *** ChanServ sets mode: +v Mks 20:12:34 <Stablean> <Dnz-Ali> any can help?Destroy hospital in Pondhattan Ridge town 20:13:00 <Stablean> <Chris Booth> bang 20:13:03 <Stablean> <Dnz-Ali> Tnx 20:13:19 <Stablean> <Chris Booth> that will teach them for want to live 20:19:45 <Stablean> *** Dave has left the game (leaving) 20:20:46 <Stablean> *** Dave joined the game 20:21:34 <Stablean> <Phillip> Dave, you need money? 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now is 12 to set 15? 21:25:42 <Stablean> <Chris Booth> Dnz-Ali: I am not an admin sorry 21:29:20 <Stablean> *** jcurran has left the game (general timeout) 21:29:20 <Stablean> *** jcurran has left the game (connection lost) 21:33:43 <Stablean> <Dnz-Ali> bye Chris booth. i go sleep 21:33:51 <Stablean> <Chris Booth> bb Dnz-Ali 21:33:53 <Stablean> *** Dnz-Ali has left the game (leaving) 21:38:43 *** DomDom has joined #openttdcoop.stable 21:39:29 *** Dom__ has quit IRC 21:43:11 *** DomDom has quit IRC 21:53:47 *** Dom__ has joined #openttdcoop.stable 21:57:02 <Stablean> *** Dom joined the game 21:57:05 <Stablean> <Dom> hey 21:57:09 <Stablean> <Chris Booth> Dom hi 21:57:24 <Stablean> <Dom> how do you do ? 21:57:34 <Stablean> <Chris Booth> one does very well thank you 21:57:37 <Stablean> <Chris Booth> how about you? 21:58:03 <Stablean> <Dom> very good can't wait till tomorrow for a great music festival :) 21:58:13 <Stablean> <Chris Booth> where are you going? 21:58:39 <Stablean> <Dom> it is a small festival (6k) people in slovenia music: mostly ex-yu rock 21:58:58 <Stablean> <Chris Booth> oooh 21:59:52 <Stablean> *** Chris Booth has left the game (leaving) 21:59:52 <Stablean> *** Game paused (number of players) 22:00:24 <Stablean> *** Dom has left the game (leaving) 22:01:00 *** Chris_Booth has quit IRC 22:25:39 *** LoPo has quit IRC 22:45:31 <Stablean> *** Game unpaused (number of players) 22:45:33 <Stablean> *** Supremacy joined the game 23:05:02 *** TWerkhoven has quit IRC 23:38:49 <Stablean> *** Supremacy has left the game (leaving) 23:38:49 <Stablean> *** Game paused (number of players)