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01:06:56  <Stablean> <happy tran  sport> won  ov  your  tran  is  stuk  tran   58
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01:18:07  <Stablean> <happy tran  sport> whont  is
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10:03:12  <Stablean> <V453000> ho
10:03:15  <Stablean> <KrunchyAl> ho
10:04:03  <Stablean> <V453000> quite cute that not everyone uses the same trains
10:04:41  <Stablean> <KrunchyAl> easiest way to upgrade to maglev without uni rail?
10:07:00  <Stablean> <V453000> easiest way probably is not doing it :D
10:07:22  <Stablean> <KrunchyAl> i don't fancy recreate 94 trains orders
10:07:40  <Stablean> <KrunchyAl> anyway most likely a reset inbound soon
10:08:02  <Stablean> <V453000> I would in most cases probably just catch all trains in a few depots near large stations
10:08:08  <Stablean> <V453000> then sell them, and create new trains from scratch
10:08:22  <Stablean> <KrunchyAl> life's too short for that :p
10:08:26  <Stablean> <V453000> but yeah, univ rail is a bit awesome :P
10:09:04  <Stablean> <KrunchyAl> i'd appreiciate a few mins of assistance with a diagonal overflow station if you would pls?
10:09:12  <Stablean> <V453000> of course
10:09:14  <Stablean> <KrunchyAl> my factory pickup near hinnington
10:09:36  <Stablean> <V453000> im there
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10:10:04  <Stablean> <KrunchyAl> iirc it was something like that
10:10:20  <Stablean> <KrunchyAl> but involved waiting bays and all sorts of other hijinx
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10:10:39  <Stablean> <Dom> yo
10:10:42  <Stablean> <V453000> omg him
10:10:48  <Stablean> <Dom> :D:D
10:10:54  <Stablean> <V453000> just build it :)
10:11:00  <Stablean> <Dom> i have to ruin your monday mornings :D
10:11:04  <Stablean> <KrunchyAl> morning
10:11:18  <Stablean> <Dom> i mean every monday :D#
10:11:32  <Stablean> <V453000> more like every morning
10:11:38  <Stablean> <Dom> hehe :D
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10:16:46  <Stablean> <V453000> you just dont have the station fully diagonal
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10:22:17  <Stablean> <KrunchyAl> what have i missed?
10:22:39  <Stablean> <V453000> overflow-wise, any condition for train release
10:22:42  <Stablean> <V453000> priority is generally not enough
10:23:02  <Stablean> <V453000> you could detect waiting bays, you could detect platforms
10:23:20  <Stablean> <V453000> timer is an option too but that is a bit ugh
10:23:20  <Stablean> <KrunchyAl> waiting bays i think
10:23:46  <Stablean> <V453000> though before we do anything with the overflow, lets make the station a bit more okay
10:24:00  <Stablean> <V453000> all that  is a signal gap
10:24:03  <Stablean> <V453000> you basically never want it that long
10:24:10  <Stablean> <V453000> second thing
10:24:16  <Stablean> <V453000> that keeps the gap
10:24:50  <Stablean> <V453000> if a train is at the end, whole array is likely red
10:25:00  <Stablean> <V453000> well depends but ye
10:25:02  <Stablean> <V453000> poit was
10:25:16  <Stablean> <V453000> while you have an overflow
10:25:22  <Stablean> <V453000> you dont need this thing:
10:25:40  <Stablean> <V453000> because that is a signal which checks whether there is free space
10:25:46  <Stablean> <V453000> there is always free space as you have overflow
10:25:53  <Stablean> <V453000> meaning you can do this
10:26:20  <Stablean> <KrunchyAl> neat
10:26:27  <Stablean> <V453000> also 2 exits to each station are totally not necessary ;)
10:26:34  <Stablean> <V453000> that is for eventual 2nd line
10:27:08  <Stablean> <V453000> now that the station is truly full speed
10:27:22  <Stablean> <V453000> its time to add some more conditions to the train leaving overflow
10:27:44  <Stablean> <V453000> if you look at the end of the prio
10:28:02  <Stablean> <V453000> that signal is still waiting for another presignal
10:28:12  <Stablean> <V453000> obviously since there is none, it cant get any
10:28:27  <Stablean> <KrunchyAl> so i link the end of the prio to the bays?
10:28:29  <Stablean> <V453000> what that means is we can add conditions beyond the prio
10:28:32  <Stablean> <V453000> pretty much
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10:29:22  <Stablean> <V453000> note that the only difference between the 2way exit and 2way basic signal is that they are detectable by our logic
10:29:24  <Stablean> <KrunchyAl> are you saying that we only need to connect one bay?
10:29:30  <Stablean> <V453000> but they have the same role for the full speed station
10:29:32  <Stablean> <KrunchyAl> why not more?
10:29:32  <Stablean> <V453000> no, all of them ofc
10:29:38  <Stablean> <V453000> just showing it part by part :)
10:29:40  <Stablean> <KrunchyAl> good !
10:29:50  <Stablean> <KrunchyAl> understanding sigs better now i think
10:30:09  <Stablean> <KrunchyAl> i wish combo and exits were more clearly different
10:30:11  <Stablean> <V453000> now this  works for all of them as the best option
10:30:21  <Stablean> <V453000> yeah the visibility could be better
10:30:27  <Stablean> <V453000> NUTS will change that with the next version :P
10:30:55  <Stablean> <V453000> now we are detecting if any train is coming, we are detecting waiting bays, could there be something we miss?
10:31:13  <Stablean> <KrunchyAl> the 2nd line
10:31:24  <Stablean> <V453000> that is just about throughput
10:31:26  <Stablean> <V453000> but look
10:31:44  <Stablean> <KrunchyAl> i was jusy fixin that :P
10:31:50  <Stablean> <V453000> I meant somethign else
10:31:56  <Stablean> <V453000> right now
10:31:56  <Stablean> <KrunchyAl> no idea
10:31:58  <Stablean> <V453000> look
10:32:12  <Stablean> <KrunchyAl> furthest plat is emtpry
10:32:22  <Stablean> <KrunchyAl> when somethigns Qing
10:32:22  <Stablean> <V453000> yes but there was only 1 free spot at the time
10:32:30  <Stablean> <V453000> what I mean is
10:32:44  <Stablean> <V453000> it is possible that exra trains without use get released from overflow
10:32:46  <Stablean> <V453000> look, it will happen
10:32:52  <Stablean> <V453000> well probably
10:33:11  <Stablean> <V453000> meh
10:33:13  <Stablean> <V453000> what I mean is
10:33:31  <Stablean> <V453000> this area is not detected and a train can hide there
10:33:47  <Stablean> <V453000> so we need that
10:33:54  <Stablean> <KrunchyAl> simples
10:34:18  <Stablean> <V453000> also
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10:34:32  <Stablean> <V453000> when you have this kind of diagonal entrance, you want to make sure that trains join the station asap
10:34:42  <Stablean> <V453000> -> penalties for far away platforms
10:34:56  <Stablean> <KrunchyAl> reverse path?
10:35:11  <Stablean> <V453000> yes
10:35:33  <Stablean> <V453000> now the overflow itself works flawlessly
10:35:55  <Stablean> <V453000> there are 2 potential things I could see happening, first of them prioritized depot
10:36:25  <Stablean> <V453000> btw it is more important to keep good gaps than CLs in overflow
10:36:44  <Stablean> <V453000> see what I did?
10:36:50  <Stablean> <KrunchyAl> hmm
10:37:00  <Stablean> <V453000> trains wont leave depot if there is a train overflowing
10:37:01  <Stablean> <KrunchyAl> nothing can enter or leave when those sections are busy
10:37:12  <Stablean> <V453000> yes
10:37:34  <Stablean> <V453000> that part isnt absolutely necessary but sometimes it is required
10:37:44  <Stablean> <V453000> it just helps that much more
10:37:51  <Stablean> <KrunchyAl> i dont think it's busy enough to justify it really
10:37:58  <Stablean> <KrunchyAl> not enough primaries on this map :p
10:38:08  <Stablean> <KrunchyAl> but it looks good
10:38:10  <Stablean> <V453000> nah, well the overflow itself is hardly justifiable too ;)
10:38:32  <Stablean> <V453000> with higher traffic it is a very good thing to do
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10:38:46  <Stablean> <V453000> either way, this is all
10:38:49  <Stablean> <KrunchyAl> right o
10:38:56  <Stablean> <KrunchyAl> will try to implement elsewhere without the teacher
10:38:58  <Stablean> <KrunchyAl> and report back
10:39:00  <Stablean> <KrunchyAl> tx
10:39:36  <V453000> good
10:39:43  <V453000> look at http://blog.openttdcoop.org/2012/06/28/advanced-building-revue-12-overflows-iii/ if you want to see the newest things
10:40:17  <Stablean> <V453000> the Figure F is what we did here
10:40:29  <V453000> oh you arent on irc :d hm
10:41:31  <Stablean> <V453000> well, try stuff and you will see :)
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11:03:37  <Stablean> <V453000> the station isnt diagonal btw ;)
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11:04:51  <Stablean> <KrunchyAl> i'm so confused
11:04:59  <Stablean> <KrunchyAl> i've not done something right
11:08:25  <Stablean> <V453000> the platforms arent diagonally -> gaps dont fit
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11:08:37  <Stablean> <V453000> also the prio is not working at all
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11:13:28  <Stablean> <Dom> i'm back
11:14:35  <Stablean> <V453000> NO
11:14:37  <Stablean> <V453000> :)
11:14:40  <Stablean> <Dom> YES
11:14:50  <Stablean> <V453000> in time for afternoon ruining
11:14:50  <Stablean> <KrunchyAl> seriously?
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11:15:16  <Stablean> <V453000> wasnt related to you KrunchyAl :)
11:15:18  <Stablean> <happy tran  sport> hi all
11:15:24  <Stablean> <KrunchyAl> woohoo
11:15:26  <Stablean> <V453000> buuuttt the logic isnt quite right yet ;)
11:15:33  <Stablean> <Dom> yo happy
11:15:37  <Stablean> <V453000> so a slight little NO to you too :P
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11:21:05  <Stablean> <KrunchyAl> ok - i don't understand what i've missed here
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11:22:15  <Stablean> <KrunchyAl> i think i might ahve it
11:24:21  <Stablean> <V453000> release a ton of trains and see
11:24:31  <Stablean> <KrunchyAl> the ton will come back around in  min
11:24:41  <Stablean> <KrunchyAl> i remove full load to get rid of them before
11:24:43  <Stablean> <KrunchyAl> it's back now :P
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11:26:23  <Stablean> <KrunchyAl> V - i'd like to know why my detection by '3' isn't working right
11:26:38  <Stablean> <V453000> well first off many of your signals are reversed
11:26:57  <Stablean> <V453000> second, your logic is "either no train is at priority", OR "a waiting bay is free"
11:26:59  <Stablean> <KrunchyAl> always struggle with remembering
11:27:13  <Stablean> <V453000> it isnt about remembering, should be easily visible
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11:27:31  <Stablean> <V453000> right now your logic starts and ends there
11:27:33  <Stablean> <V453000> sure you want that?
11:27:52  <Stablean> <KrunchyAl> yes?
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11:28:14  <Stablean> <V453000> so which signal detects it at start
11:28:44  <Stablean> <KrunchyAl> that one?
11:29:00  <Stablean> <V453000> how could it see the start
11:29:06  <Stablean> <V453000> if it is in the middle of the chain
11:32:37  <Stablean> <V453000> this is how the condition chain looks
11:32:39  <Stablean> <V453000> in detail
11:32:50  <Stablean> <KrunchyAl> certainly is detailed
11:33:04  <Stablean> <V453000> so
11:33:08  <Stablean> <V453000> where is the start? :)
11:34:24  <Stablean> <V453000> and should it be there?
11:34:50  <Stablean> <V453000> it all starts at the entry signal
11:34:56  <Stablean> <V453000> that is who is asking the condition
11:35:10  <Stablean> <KrunchyAl> ok so the entry is the release?
11:35:16  <Stablean> <V453000> of course?
11:35:38  <Stablean> <V453000> the platform detection isnt seen by any of your signals
11:36:04  <Stablean> <KrunchyAl> that's the bit i dont get
11:36:08  <Stablean> <KrunchyAl> why
11:36:10  <Stablean> <V453000> now that you have the start you just need to chain the conditions one after another
11:36:24  <Stablean> <V453000> well originally why would it be seen
11:36:30  <Stablean> <KrunchyAl> but my brain thought i had that
11:36:30  <Stablean> <V453000> there was no path to the start you had
11:36:49  <Stablean> <V453000> that way it would be detected
11:36:53  <Stablean> <V453000> but you dont want that eitehr
11:36:55  <Stablean> <KrunchyAl> i modelled it on the one we did earlier
11:37:01  <Stablean> <KrunchyAl> that why i dont get it
11:38:35  <Stablean> <V453000> I put some signs on the first station
11:38:49  <Stablean> <V453000> atm you are asking X or Y
11:38:55  <Stablean> <V453000> not X first, Y after
11:39:13  <Stablean> <V453000> if you require both conditions to apply (you do), you need them to be X first, Y after
11:39:35  <Stablean> <V453000> right now if there is a free platform, but the prio is red, train will still be released
11:39:41  <Stablean> <V453000> same for green prio and no platforms
11:39:43  <Stablean> <KrunchyAl> so i link the bays to the input prio
11:40:01  <Stablean> <V453000> yes, to continue the condition chain
11:40:19  <Stablean> <V453000> it is like one long snake (on the right)
11:40:25  <Stablean> <KrunchyAl> well that was bloody simple wasn't it
11:40:31  <Stablean> <KrunchyAl> like coding missing a '
11:40:35  <Stablean> <V453000> :)
11:42:01  <Stablean> <V453000> btw it is important to note that the bay detection isnt just detection of the bays, but also of the rail which leads to them
11:42:15  <Stablean> <V453000> if you detected only bays, you would do it from the inside
11:42:22  <Stablean> <V453000> but doesnt matter
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17:47:54  <Stablean> <happy tran  sport> hi  jam
17:47:56  <Stablean> <Jam35> hi
17:48:02  <Stablean> <happy tran  sport> how  things
17:48:40  <Stablean> <Jam35> not bad, u?
17:48:43  <Stablean> <happy tran  sport> good
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18:33:07  <Stablean> <happy tran  sport> be  back  later  my  diner  is dun
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19:36:18  <Stablean> <happy tran  sport> hi
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22:14:46  <Stablean> <happy tran  sport> hi
22:14:51  <Stablean> <KrunchyAl> hi
22:14:59  <Stablean> <KrunchyAl> your network is awesome happy
22:15:09  <Stablean> <happy tran  sport> thanks
22:15:27  <Stablean> <happy tran  sport> all thanks  to  my teem
22:15:45  <Stablean> <KrunchyAl> i mean save some map for the rest of us ;)
22:16:11  <Stablean> <happy tran  sport> ok
22:16:58  <Stablean> <happy tran  sport> i  am stil  lering a bout  tran net werk
22:17:09  <Stablean> <KrunchyAl> you were here a year ago when i last played
22:17:21  <Stablean> <happy tran  sport> yep
22:17:21  <Stablean> <KrunchyAl> you certainly seem to have picked up some stuff in that time!
22:17:43  <Stablean> <happy tran  sport> yep
22:18:29  <Stablean> <happy tran  sport> i can  start grate  but  when  i get  mor trans  thats when  i need  help
22:18:39  <Stablean> <KrunchyAl> dont we all!!
22:19:13  <Stablean> <happy tran  sport> but  u  can  lering   a lot  frome  players
22:21:15  <Stablean> <happy tran  sport> the  hard  thin   to  doo  is  a slh  or  hub
22:21:19  <Stablean> <KrunchyAl> agreed
22:21:26  <Stablean> <KrunchyAl> i find the logic at stations the hardest
22:21:45  <Stablean> <happy tran  sport> but  sume    times  i can doo  it
22:22:27  <Stablean> <happy tran  sport> have  u see  my  new  coal  drop  of
22:22:41  <Stablean> <KrunchyAl> nope. where?
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22:23:11  <Stablean> <happy tran  sport> see  my  sign  say  this
22:23:33  <Stablean> <KrunchyAl> beauty
22:23:47  <Stablean> <KrunchyAl> i think it may be a little large for the # of trains but looks COOL
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22:23:51  <Stablean> <V453000> oy
22:23:57  <Stablean> <KrunchyAl> hi V
22:23:59  <Stablean> <happy tran  sport> try  sume   thin  like that
22:24:01  <Stablean> <happy tran  sport> hi  v
22:24:15  <Stablean> <KrunchyAl> i'm only on a single main line for this scenario
22:24:22  <Stablean> <happy tran  sport> ok
22:24:24  <Stablean> <KrunchyAl> but next map i will try
22:24:46  <Stablean> <happy tran  sport> it  werks  on   eney  drop  of
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