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00:01:06 <Stablean> *** Big Meech has left the game (general timeout) 00:01:06 <Stablean> *** Big Meech has left the game (connection lost) 00:09:58 <Stablean> *** happy tran sport has left the game (leaving) 01:47:09 <Stablean> *** Game still paused (number of players) 01:47:12 <Stablean> *** Diablo joined the game 01:47:47 <Stablean> *** Diablo has joined company #1 01:47:47 <Stablean> *** Game unpaused (number of players) 02:13:22 <BiG_MeEcH> hey boss 02:23:23 <Stablean> <Diablo> hey meech 02:31:57 *** kuch3n has joined #openttdcoop.stable 02:32:13 <Stablean> *** Diablo has left the game (leaving) 02:32:13 <Stablean> *** Game paused (number of players) 02:32:33 *** kuch3n is now known as Guest1254 02:39:00 *** Guest1149 has quit IRC 03:11:13 <Sylf> !date 03:11:14 <Stablean> Sylf: 7 Aug 2080 03:20:03 <Stablean> *** Game still paused (number of players) 03:20:05 <Stablean> *** Sylf joined the game 03:20:53 <Stablean> *** Sylf has joined company #3 03:20:53 <Stablean> *** Game unpaused (number of players) 03:22:19 <Stablean> *** Sylf has left the game (leaving) 03:22:19 <Stablean> *** Game paused (number of players) 03:25:26 <Stablean> *** Game still paused (number of players) 03:25:29 <Stablean> *** Sylf joined the game 03:25:58 <Stablean> <Sylf> hurray for the static newgrf 03:27:56 <Stablean> *** Sylf has joined company #8 03:27:56 <Stablean> *** Game unpaused (number of players) 03:30:53 <BiG_MeEcH> heya 03:30:57 <Stablean> <Sylf> ey 03:31:04 <BiG_MeEcH> what is staticnewgrf? 03:31:16 <Stablean> <Sylf> Let me show you a magic. 03:31:28 <Stablean> <Sylf> Fireup openttd, but don't join the game yet 03:31:29 <Stablean> *** Big Meech joined the game 03:31:36 <Stablean> <Big Meech> ah xD 03:31:38 <Stablean> <Big Meech> brb 03:31:44 <Stablean> *** Big Meech has left the game (leaving) 03:31:47 <BiG_MeEcH> yep 03:32:06 <Stablean> <Sylf> now, go to the download online contents thingy 03:32:13 <BiG_MeEcH> im there 03:32:29 <Stablean> <Sylf> and download Toyland Temperate Conversion set or whatever it's called 03:32:50 <BiG_MeEcH> yeah 03:32:52 <BiG_MeEcH> downloaded 03:33:15 <Stablean> <Sylf> now, set up your new grf set like you're starting a new game 03:33:26 <Stablean> <Sylf> and add that new grf file you just downloaded 03:33:44 <Stablean> <Sylf> once you have that added, close your openttd 03:33:59 <Stablean> <Sylf> open openttd.cfg file in a text editor 03:34:26 <BiG_MeEcH> yep im there 03:34:32 <Stablean> <Sylf> copy the toyland_temperate_replacement-2012.10.12\removetoyland.grf = 03:34:44 <BiG_MeEcH> done 03:34:46 <Stablean> <Sylf> line from [newgrf] section to [newgrf-static] section 03:34:52 <Stablean> <Sylf> it should be at the bottom of the file 03:34:56 <BiG_MeEcH> yep done 03:35:04 <Stablean> <Sylf> save the file, then fire up the openttd 03:35:04 <Stablean> <Sylf> jo 03:35:07 <Stablean> <Sylf> join this game 03:35:13 <Stablean> <Sylf> and see the magic 03:35:38 <BiG_MeEcH> here goes nothing :P 03:36:12 <Stablean> *** Big Meech joined the game 03:36:23 <Stablean> <Big Meech> qutie different 03:36:31 <Stablean> <Big Meech> doesnt make eyes bleed as much xD 03:36:46 <Stablean> <Sylf> it makes toyland playable 03:37:12 <Stablean> <Big Meech> I dont mind the other one though, ths looks too much like regular climate 03:37:15 <Stablean> <Big Meech> imo 03:38:13 <Stablean> <Big Meech> do you like my test track? I kinda wanna load the kitties now 03:38:16 <Stablean> <Sylf> Diable has a magical truck 03:38:34 <Stablean> <Sylf> did you see that I deleted the signals from the test track? 03:38:44 <Stablean> <Big Meech> oh you did 03:38:50 <Stablean> <Big Meech> magical truck? 03:38:57 <Stablean> <Sylf> see his RV#1 03:39:15 <Stablean> <Sylf> that sigle truck is hauling all the toys made at that factory! 03:39:49 <Stablean> <Big Meech> lol ? 03:40:03 <Stablean> <Big Meech> th truck isnt doing anything? 03:40:10 <Stablean> <Sylf> it's a fake transfer 03:40:20 <Stablean> <Big Meech> yeah, im confused xD 03:40:32 <Stablean> <Sylf> It's an eyecandy 03:40:32 <Stablean> *** ACM joined the game 03:40:41 <Stablean> <Big Meech> at leaast it is a happy truck 03:40:51 *** Dom_ has quit IRC 03:40:55 <Stablean> <Big Meech> he has kitties too 03:41:13 <Stablean> <Sylf> no, the happy trucks are at Nudhead Mines 03:41:33 <Stablean> <Big Meech> :D 03:42:16 <Stablean> <Big Meech> what happens if I stop 1 cat on the bridge? 03:42:26 <Stablean> <Big Meech> have we had a pussy collision? xD 03:42:33 <Stablean> <Sylf> yesssssssssssss 03:42:39 <Stablean> <Big Meech> pussy collision? 03:42:49 <Stablean> <Big Meech> pussy explosion xD 03:44:03 <Stablean> *** Sylf has joined company #3 03:44:11 <Stablean> <Big Meech> uh oh 03:44:21 <Stablean> <Big Meech> here it comes 03:44:43 <Stablean> <Big Meech> lmao moar cats 03:44:49 <Stablean> <Big Meech> i was thinking sto pone on the bridge 03:44:55 <Stablean> <ACM> Where are you guys looking? 03:44:55 <Stablean> <Sylf> yes, tight area. tight p. 03:45:29 <Stablean> <Big Meech> lots of wet pussy there 03:45:59 <Stablean> <Big Meech> lol 03:46:01 <Stablean> <Big Meech> slow the cat down! 03:47:24 <Stablean> <Big Meech> haha 03:47:55 <Stablean> <Big Meech> should make a kittenish cyclotron 03:48:35 <Stablean> <Big Meech> l 03:48:38 <Stablean> <Big Meech> xD 03:48:40 <Stablean> <Sylf> BOOM! 03:49:18 <Stablean> <Big Meech> I wanna load the kittens with cargo 03:49:24 <Stablean> <Big Meech> and see if they can go up the hill 03:49:38 <Stablean> <Sylf> you should see the livestocks on these boats 03:49:44 <Stablean> <Big Meech> damn I do 03:50:39 <Stablean> <Big Meech> guess V had to make the blown up kitties too 03:50:53 <Stablean> <Big Meech> he should make them less happy when they are dead 03:50:53 <Stablean> <Sylf> yup. 03:50:59 <Stablean> <Big Meech> maybe look like X_X 03:51:15 <Stablean> *** MadDoctorMilton joined the game 03:54:02 <Stablean> <Big Meech> lol 03:54:08 <Stablean> <Big Meech> you're gonna smoosh them all 03:54:28 <Stablean> <Sylf> It's all good for now 03:54:46 <Stablean> <Big Meech> I thought i would have been blamed on the valley then banned xD 03:55:12 <Stablean> *** MadDoctorMilton has left the game (leaving) 03:55:21 <Stablean> <Sylf> how' the hell's my moist company doing anyway? 03:55:31 <Stablean> <Big Meech> good probably 03:55:41 <Stablean> <Big Meech> you were no.2 on the list 03:56:19 <Stablean> <Sylf> because I don't have as many stations as the happiest company 03:56:33 <Stablean> <Sylf> meh. like 03:56:35 <Stablean> <Big Meech> oh well 03:56:43 <Stablean> <Sylf> More boom! 03:56:53 <Stablean> <Sylf> mass pussy murder 03:56:55 <Stablean> <Big Meech> there should be a catnip secret 03:58:05 <Stablean> <Big Meech> the explosions arent very realistic for cats 03:58:09 <Stablean> <Big Meech> there should be more pink goo 03:58:35 <Stablean> <Sylf> we need to load the mars conversion set 03:58:45 <Stablean> <Sylf> red water is most appropriate here 03:58:47 <Stablean> <Big Meech> that might be badass iwth wetrails 03:59:05 <Stablean> <Big Meech> might look like terraforming 04:02:52 <Stablean> *** Big Meech has joined company #3 04:03:12 <Stablean> <Big Meech> I think we need another layer of cats going the opposite direction 04:03:24 <Stablean> <Sylf> :o 04:03:34 <Stablean> <Big Meech> :D 04:03:40 <Stablean> <Sylf> hmmm, I might have an idea 04:04:15 <Stablean> <Big Meech> how are you ACM? 04:04:44 <Stablean> <ACM> Fine. 04:04:48 <Stablean> <ACM> Just watching. 04:05:02 <Stablean> <Big Meech> you should play ;D 04:05:32 <Stablean> <Big Meech> play and enjoy WETRAILS 04:05:36 <Stablean> <Sylf> shall I add the another layer of nuts? 04:05:38 <Stablean> <ACM> It's pretty late game this server, isn't it? 04:05:47 <Stablean> *** Diablo joined the game 04:05:48 <Stablean> <Big Meech> it is 04:05:54 <Stablean> <Big Meech> do it! 04:06:06 <Stablean> <Big Meech> could always build random crap like a wetrails cat raceway 04:06:16 <Stablean> <Big Meech> wb Diablo 04:06:34 <Stablean> <Big Meech> lamo 04:06:44 <Stablean> <ACM> No synchrinose with adjacent station function like in Roller Coaster Tycoon. 04:06:46 <Stablean> <Diablo> thx meech 04:06:49 <Stablean> <Big Meech> funny watching them slow down on sliope 04:06:57 <Stablean> <Diablo> hi guys 04:07:15 <Stablean> <Big Meech> :) 04:07:33 <Stablean> <Big Meech> I think TT and roller coaster tycoon was by Chris Sawyer 04:07:47 <Stablean> <ACM> They are. 04:08:10 <Stablean> <ACM> They are my childhood. 04:08:17 <Stablean> <Big Meech> 1993 - 1997 was the renaissance of PC gaming 04:08:20 <Stablean> <Diablo> nice test track 04:09:18 <Stablean> <Big Meech> NICE 04:09:24 <Stablean> <ACM> Why don't these fucking indie game makers make Transport/Roller Coaster Tycoon equivalents for today? 04:09:30 <Stablean> <Big Meech> I dont know 04:09:33 <Stablean> <ACM> It's louse 'art' platformers. 04:09:39 <Stablean> <ACM> *lousy 04:09:41 <Stablean> <Big Meech> the coolest thing that was newer that i might consider playing is minecraft 04:10:37 <Stablean> <ACM> I thought they were supposed to restore integrity to game development. 04:11:56 <Stablean> <Big Meech> Disney just axed lucasarts studio 04:12:02 <Stablean> <Big Meech> they made badass shit back in the day 04:13:02 <Stablean> <Big Meech> a little known game that i own by lucasarts is a starwars 2d puzzler I think made in 1997 04:13:16 <Stablean> <Big Meech> or early maybe 04:13:38 <Stablean> <Big Meech> for windows 95 only 04:14:45 <Stablean> <Big Meech> i used the bridge as a timer 04:15:27 <Stablean> <Big Meech> kittens love gravity 04:15:27 <Stablean> <Sylf> this is gonna be bad ass 04:15:45 <Stablean> <Big Meech> lol 04:16:28 <Stablean> <ACM> Excitement rating: 0.01; Intensity rating: 15.0; Nausia rating; 9.9. 04:16:46 <Stablean> <Sylf> lol 04:16:48 <Stablean> <Big Meech> vomiting cats is neat 04:16:58 <Stablean> <Big Meech> not for the feint of heart 04:18:10 <Stablean> <Big Meech> tunnel cat is watching you masticate 04:19:00 <Stablean> <Big Meech> lol 04:19:06 <Stablean> <Big Meech> so many hoverkittens 04:21:04 <Stablean> <ACM> My childhood winning strategy in Roller Coaster Tycoon was to block off the park entrance one I had enough guests. 04:21:10 <Stablean> <Big Meech> LOL 04:21:16 <Stablean> <Big Meech> themepark was the same way 04:21:34 <Stablean> <ACM> I could never make money in Theme Park. 04:21:48 <Stablean> <Big Meech> tough game but fun 04:21:58 <Stablean> <Big Meech> I like theme hospital a lot too 04:22:24 <Stablean> <Big Meech> bullfrog made some funny shit back in the day 04:22:30 <Stablean> <ACM> That they did. 04:22:44 <Stablean> <Big Meech> and epic shit like Syndicate 04:22:58 <Stablean> <ACM> My biggest complaint about bullfrog games is they never had custom map modes. 04:23:08 <Stablean> <ACM> I never played syndicate. 04:23:14 <Stablean> <Diablo> whats the original syndicate like? 04:23:16 <Stablean> <Big Meech> syndicate is pretty sick 04:23:44 <Stablean> <Big Meech> yo uget 4 agents, can always get more agents with a persuasion gun, you rig your agents with weapons and go on missions 04:24:10 <Stablean> <Big Meech> the more missions you go on the more territory you earn if you win and you get money for upgrades of armor, weaposn, body modifications and a lot more 04:24:16 <Stablean> <Diablo> so absolutely nothing like the sequel 04:24:30 <Stablean> <Big Meech> syndicate wars is totally different 04:24:44 <Stablean> <Big Meech> should eb a few trailers on youtube for original syndicate 04:25:20 <Stablean> <Sylf> hmm, the pussy lab is a sign of boredom 04:25:26 <Stablean> <Sylf> we should load a new map 04:25:33 <Stablean> <Big Meech> bullfrog had the theme games and populous 04:25:48 <Stablean> <Big Meech> they're sorta like your own map creation, but youre limited in the bounds of the stuff they give you 04:26:50 <Stablean> *** Sylf has left the game (leaving) 04:26:58 <Stablean> <Big Meech> hb 04:27:08 <Stablean> *** Big Meech has joined spectators 04:27:08 <Stablean> *** Game paused (number of players) 04:27:45 <BiG_MeEcH> there was a sequel to syndicate called american revolt 04:27:52 <BiG_MeEcH> i couldnt ever beat it 04:28:09 <BiG_MeEcH> they added insane crap like an air raid and everything 04:28:16 <Stablean> <Diablo> wat about the so called sequal called syndicate 04:29:03 <BiG_MeEcH> I didnt play it 04:29:24 <BiG_MeEcH> I heard a song by skrilles though for it i think 04:29:29 <BiG_MeEcH> *skrillex 04:34:58 <Stablean> *** Diablo has left the game (leaving) 04:48:18 <Stablean> *** ACM has left the game (leaving) 05:33:57 <Stablean> *** Big Meech has left the game (general timeout) 05:33:57 <Stablean> *** Big Meech has left the game (connection lost) 07:50:34 *** molv has quit IRC 08:22:00 <Stablean> *** Game still paused (number of players) 08:22:02 <Stablean> *** morphium joined the game 08:23:34 <Stablean> *** morphium has left the game (leaving) 08:57:34 *** Dom_ has joined #openttdcoop.stable 10:25:28 <Stablean> *** Game still paused (number of players) 10:25:28 <Stablean> *** happy tran {} sport joined the game 10:26:22 <Stablean> *** happy tran sport has left the game (leaving) 10:50:32 *** Dom_ has quit IRC 11:40:36 *** Dom_ has joined #openttdcoop.stable 11:53:44 <Stablean> *** Game still paused (number of players) 11:53:44 <Stablean> *** Troy McClure joined the game 11:54:36 <Stablean> *** Game still paused (number of players) 11:54:37 <Stablean> *** R3D24 joined the game 11:55:04 <Stablean> *** Troy McClure has joined company #3 11:55:04 <Stablean> *** Game unpaused (number of players) 11:56:00 <Stablean> *** R3D24 has joined company #10 11:56:33 <Stablean> <Troy McClure> R, you shouldn't use level crossings 11:56:39 <Stablean> <R3D24> I know 11:56:49 <Stablean> <R3D24> I was just messing around really 11:56:59 <Stablean> <Troy McClure> ah, okay 11:57:01 <Stablean> <Troy McClure> you new here? 11:57:11 <Stablean> <R3D24> Yeah, but not to ottd 11:57:23 <Stablean> <Troy McClure> you are to ottdcoop? 11:57:46 <Stablean> <R3D24> No, I'm not part of it 11:58:05 <Stablean> <Troy McClure> I know :) 11:58:11 <Stablean> <R3D24> I wish I could find lessons to build the prozone type games 11:58:21 <Stablean> <Troy McClure> but I mainly mean the building styles 11:58:28 <Stablean> <Troy McClure> ah, you want to get into prozone? 11:58:38 <Stablean> <R3D24> I would love that 11:58:48 <Stablean> <Troy McClure> errm, I think you've come to the right spot 11:58:50 <Stablean> <R3D24> But I'm not THAT good 11:59:08 <Stablean> <R3D24> I've only just figured out prio merges 11:59:14 <Stablean> <Troy McClure> you could go try now on the public server, but I would recommend sandboxing here first 11:59:48 <Stablean> <R3D24> I'ma just liqudate my tracks and trains and start over (as the same company) 11:59:55 <Stablean> <Troy McClure> you could 12:00:01 <Stablean> <Troy McClure> but you could also improve your tracks 12:00:10 <Stablean> <Troy McClure> surely, you want to do it right the first time 12:00:24 <Stablean> <Troy McClure> but improving what you have is also a good learning process ;) 12:00:51 <Stablean> <Troy McClure> want me to help you with some things? 12:00:53 <Stablean> <R3D24> I'm going to have to leave for now as the game is lagging to bad :\ 12:00:59 <Stablean> <R3D24> err nvm 12:01:09 <Stablean> <R3D24> Its fine now O_o 12:01:19 <Stablean> <Troy McClure> hmm, bye then 12:01:21 <Stablean> <R3D24> all the dang candy colored tree's 12:01:37 <Stablean> <Troy McClure> yeah, complain to V453000 or Sylf about it 12:01:40 <Stablean> <R3D24> they lag if I go into x-ray view 12:01:44 <Stablean> <Troy McClure> I do but it never works 12:01:54 <Stablean> <Troy McClure> you use the transparency options? 12:01:58 <Stablean> <R3D24> I wish I could find out how to mod them out 12:02:05 <Stablean> <R3D24> yes... 12:02:24 <Stablean> <Troy McClure> still lagging now? 12:02:35 <Stablean> <R3D24> yeah 12:03:06 <Stablean> <Troy McClure> that should be your connection, mine is fine 12:03:21 <Stablean> <Troy McClure> and the dang trees don't make you lag that much 12:03:28 <Stablean> <R3D24> My connection, why is that making me lag? 12:03:42 <Stablean> <Troy McClure> slow? 12:03:53 <Stablean> <R3D24> ohh it might be 12:04:40 <Stablean> <Troy McClure> come back here later then, and I would like to help you with some networks, if you like 12:04:51 <Stablean> <R3D24> Ok, what time? 12:04:57 <Stablean> <Troy McClure> I dunno 12:05:03 <Stablean> <Troy McClure> there be other people here too 12:05:18 <Stablean> <Troy McClure> I usually don't plan when I'm on here 12:05:32 <Stablean> <R3D24> I'll have an hour at 12:00 pm (est) and all after 3:00 pm I'm free 12:06:07 <Stablean> <Troy McClure> oh dear lord, you're american? 12:06:25 <Stablean> <R3D24> Yes... I'm ashamed of it 12:06:27 <Stablean> *** Troy McClure has left the game (general timeout) 12:06:27 <Stablean> *** Troy McClure has left the game (connection lost) 12:06:33 <Stablean> <R3D24> My country is so corrupt 12:06:51 <Stablean> <R3D24> Did you just leave because I'm american?! 12:06:57 <Stablean> <R3D24> sigh... 12:07:08 <Stablean> *** Troy McClure joined the game 12:07:16 <Stablean> <Troy McClure> that was quaint 12:07:20 <Stablean> <R3D24> XD 12:07:27 <Stablean> *** Troy McClure has joined company #3 12:07:29 <Stablean> <R3D24> And perfect timing to 12:07:31 <Stablean> <Troy McClure> anyway 12:07:37 <Stablean> <R3D24> err is it too or to... 12:07:39 <Stablean> <Troy McClure> 12 EST is now + 5 hours? 12:07:45 <Stablean> <Troy McClure> too 12:07:55 <Stablean> <R3D24> It's 8:09 am 12:08:23 <Stablean> <R3D24> I think its only 4 hours 12:08:26 <Stablean> <Troy McClure> jep 12:08:32 <Stablean> <Troy McClure> I googled it 12:08:35 <Stablean> <Troy McClure> google was wrong, I think 12:08:41 <Stablean> <R3D24> XD 12:08:52 <Stablean> <R3D24> Err est is the very east coast of the us right? 12:09:06 <Stablean> <R3D24> I feel like an idiot right now ._. 12:10:18 <Stablean> <Troy McClure> EST is east coast 12:10:44 <Stablean> <Troy McClure> I'm looking at this now: 12:10:46 <Stablean> <Troy McClure> http://www.timeanddate.com/library/abbreviations/timezones/na/est.html 12:10:46 <Stablean> <R3D24> ok, for a second i wasn't sure 12:10:47 <Webster> Title: EST Eastern Standard Time (at www.timeanddate.com) 12:11:06 <Stablean> <Troy McClure> ah, that's correct 12:11:17 <Stablean> <Troy McClure> was looking at wrong time (Georgetown), not NY 12:11:27 <Stablean> <Troy McClure> ah wait 12:11:30 <Stablean> <Troy McClure> I don't know 12:11:36 <Stablean> <Troy McClure> fuck time zones 12:11:42 <Stablean> <R3D24> how can I sell all my tracks in one go? 12:11:48 <Stablean> <Troy McClure> errm 12:11:54 <Stablean> <Troy McClure> there are 2 things you could do 12:12:05 <Stablean> <Troy McClure> send all trains to depot and leave your company 12:12:16 <Stablean> <Troy McClure> or buy a boat and have it sail the seas 12:12:28 <Stablean> <Troy McClure> option1: no pw on your company 12:12:34 <Stablean> <R3D24> I'll just remove them manualy 12:12:52 <Stablean> <Troy McClure> yeahn, you don't have much 12:13:11 <Stablean> <Troy McClure> but you're still lagging? 12:13:18 <Stablean> <R3D24> not anymore 12:13:29 <Stablean> <R3D24> I think it's something with the trains 12:14:21 <Stablean> *** Dom joined the game 12:14:23 <Stablean> <Dom> hello 12:14:25 <Stablean> <Troy McClure> hi Dom 12:14:31 <Stablean> <R3D24> Morning 12:14:46 <Stablean> <Troy McClure> R3D24, you know hotkeys? 12:14:56 <Stablean> <R3D24> A few 12:15:14 <Stablean> <Troy McClure> that's cool 12:15:24 <Stablean> <Troy McClure> so it's not you're manually clicking the buttons ;) 12:15:34 <Stablean> <R3D24> Not always 12:16:33 <Stablean> <Troy McClure> want me to help you now R3? 12:16:45 <Stablean> <R3D24> No thanks, I can manage 12:16:59 <Stablean> <R3D24> I'm almost done too 12:17:17 <Stablean> <Troy McClure> yeah, but you now have a nice cash to start over :) 12:17:39 <Stablean> <R3D24> I only have 18.5 mil 12:17:50 <Stablean> <Troy McClure> good enough 12:18:12 <Stablean> <Troy McClure> 2 mill is good enough to start expanding big time here 12:19:03 <Stablean> <R3D24> Yeah I guess you could join 12:19:31 <Stablean> <Troy McClure> if so, you'd have to give me your pw 12:19:41 <Stablean> <R3D24> How do I send a private message? 12:20:03 <Stablean> <Troy McClure> press on the button with the head in the top bar 12:20:09 <Stablean> <Troy McClure> it will show a drop down menu 12:20:15 <Stablean> <Troy McClure> press client list 12:20:29 <Stablean> <R3D24> pw is crackerjack 12:20:35 <Stablean> *** Troy McClure has joined company #10 12:20:44 <Stablean> <Dom> lol 12:20:58 <Stablean> <Troy McClure> :) 12:21:00 <Stablean> <R3D24> How do I open team chat :W 12:21:24 <Stablean> <Dom> when there are 2 or more ppl in a company just press enter 12:21:50 <Stablean> <R3D24> It still says all but it doesn't matter I guess 12:21:56 <Stablean> <Troy McClure> no, ctrl enter 12:22:06 <Stablean> <Dom> oh yeah right 12:22:32 <Stablean> <R3D24> I'm going to get started 12:22:46 <Stablean> <Troy McClure> first of all: what will you be transporting? 12:26:20 <Stablean> <R3D24> Whats the difference with path and block? 12:26:58 <Stablean> <R3D24> should I put signals at the platforms? 12:27:12 <Stablean> <Troy McClure> you could, but it isn't required in this case 12:27:15 <Stablean> <R3D24> ahh 12:27:57 <Stablean> <R3D24> should I get the fastest engine? 12:28:40 <Stablean> <R3D24> I don't buy any engine with =- 85% reliabilty 12:28:50 <Stablean> <R3D24> I like the speed demon one 12:29:10 <V453000> reliability does not influence anything with breakdowns off 12:29:24 <Stablean> <R3D24> It doesn't?! 12:29:24 <Stablean> <Troy McClure> yeah, V's right 12:29:34 <V453000> what do you think it does 12:29:38 <Stablean> <R3D24> That makes no sense! 12:29:52 <Stablean> <Troy McClure> I'll grab a popcorn and watch as this unfolds 12:29:53 <V453000> then what does it do in your opinion 12:30:00 <Stablean> <R3D24> is it how much it goes for maintnence? 12:30:04 <Stablean> *** V453000 joined the game 12:30:09 <Stablean> <V453000> do trains go for maintenance? 12:30:15 <Stablean> <V453000> havent noticed 12:30:21 <Stablean> <R3D24> yes? 12:30:27 <Stablean> <V453000> not with breakdowns off 12:30:29 <Stablean> <R3D24> Do you guys have it dissabled? 12:30:31 <Stablean> <V453000> what would the maintenance be for 12:30:34 <Stablean> <R3D24> ohh... 12:30:49 <Stablean> <R3D24> I had no clue they were off 12:30:55 <Stablean> <R3D24> Isn't that cheating? 12:30:59 <Stablean> <V453000> well why would you service trains if they cant break down 12:31:50 <Stablean> <Troy McClure> no, it isn't cheating, it is a setting 12:32:16 <Stablean> <V453000> even if it was cheating, it would make no sense to use servicing with breakdowns off regardless :) 12:32:30 <Stablean> <R3D24> Yeah, 12:32:57 <Stablean> <V453000> side note, servicing interval setting still does influence autoreplace 12:33:07 <Stablean> <V453000> read more on openttd wiki or our blog 12:33:42 <Stablean> <R3D24> I'll buy the trains now 12:34:01 <Stablean> <V453000> side note 2, fast trains do not hurt the network as long as their acceleration is sufficient thus are acceptable 12:34:15 <Stablean> <V453000> with a little bit higher traffic medium/strong gets immediately more effective 12:34:17 <Stablean> <R3D24> I know 12:34:25 <Stablean> <Troy McClure> yeah, I was getting to that in a moment, V 12:34:28 <Stablean> <V453000> at this point fast is okay 12:34:31 <Stablean> <R3D24> hmm 12:34:45 <Stablean> <V453000> more info and details about train classes at nuts.openttdcoop.org 12:35:04 <Stablean> <R3D24> So faster rate of speed gain = shorter Prios? 12:35:18 <Stablean> <R3D24> I know 12:35:28 <Stablean> <V453000> as wrong as that assumption is, I will say yes 12:35:28 <Stablean> <R3D24> He's the lead guy in ottdcoop 12:35:39 <Stablean> <V453000> who is? :d 12:35:45 <Stablean> <Troy McClure> he's talking about me ;) 12:35:49 <Stablean> <R3D24> You, arn't you the founder? 12:35:51 <Stablean> <Troy McClure> no, you 12:36:01 <Stablean> <V453000> no 12:36:07 <Stablean> <R3D24> Ohh... 12:36:10 <Stablean> <V453000> founder definitely not 12:36:13 <Stablean> <Troy McClure> I don't actually know who founded it, planetmaker? 12:36:19 <Stablean> <R3D24> you just broke my heart... 12:36:19 <Stablean> <V453000> neither 12:36:25 <Stablean> <R3D24> You were my mentor 12:36:43 <Stablean> <Troy McClure> hmm, who is it, now I'm curious... 12:36:49 <Stablean> <V453000> I believe Mucht 12:36:57 <Stablean> <V453000> doubt you ever met him 12:37:01 <Stablean> <V453000> with some other guys most likely 12:37:07 <Stablean> <V453000> like Brianetta and those 12:37:33 <Stablean> <Troy McClure> can't say I've met them 12:37:41 <Stablean> <V453000> either way R3D24, that does not reduce my position, my contributions or the things I know :P 12:37:51 <Stablean> <R3D24> Yeah 12:37:53 <Stablean> <Troy McClure> it SO does 12:37:56 <Stablean> <V453000> oh :) 12:38:14 <Stablean> <R3D24> I'll show you the merge I use 12:38:48 <Stablean> <V453000> possibly, but sometime later ... I have to go again :z 12:38:52 <Stablean> <Troy McClure> bb 12:39:02 <Stablean> <V453000> hint, FAST trains will Suffer with short curves ;) 12:39:09 <Stablean> <Troy McClure> AAARGH 12:39:11 <Stablean> <R3D24> Not maglev trains 12:39:13 <Stablean> <R3D24> right? 12:39:19 <Stablean> <V453000> maglev trains perhaps not as much but will 12:39:21 <Stablean> <Troy McClure> don't tell everything right away, V 12:39:28 <Stablean> <R3D24> Hmm... 12:39:30 <Stablean> <V453000> JUST SAYING 12:39:32 <Stablean> <V453000> :P 12:39:35 <Stablean> <Troy McClure> everything suffers form short CL 12:39:47 <Stablean> <V453000> not true, slugs dont give two fucks 12:39:49 <Stablean> <Troy McClure> unless max speed is lower than penalty in curve 12:39:59 <Stablean> <R3D24> Again, my mind blown 12:40:01 <Stablean> <V453000> medium maglev doesnt give a shit even though CL is 3 12:40:08 <Stablean> <V453000> well well gtg 12:40:10 <Stablean> <V453000> cya 12:40:12 <Stablean> *** V453000 has left the game (leaving) 12:40:21 <V453000> IM NOT SAYING ANYTHING NAOW Troy 12:40:32 <V453000> :) 12:40:36 <Stablean> <Troy McClure> anyways, you have to watch your curves 12:40:36 <Stablean> <R3D24> How are you talking without being in game?! 12:40:38 <Stablean> <Troy McClure> OKAY 12:40:44 <Stablean> <Troy McClure> he's in irc 12:40:48 <V453000> hax 12:40:58 <Stablean> <Troy McClure> routes via the stablean 12:41:04 <Stablean> <R3D24> I hate hills 12:41:11 <Stablean> <R3D24> Can't build anything on them >:( 12:41:50 <Stablean> <R3D24> Why did you put a bridge on the ML? 12:42:00 <Stablean> <Troy McClure> normally, TF costs, mostly with water is a lot higher 12:42:02 <Stablean> <R3D24> Isn't that a huge thing? 12:42:05 <Stablean> <Troy McClure> how is that a ML? 12:42:15 <Stablean> <R3D24> good point 12:42:25 <Stablean> <Troy McClure> it just connects AN industry 12:42:48 <Stablean> <Troy McClure> can you watch !here? 12:43:35 <Stablean> <R3D24> Shared orders? 12:43:42 <Stablean> <R3D24> Whats that? 12:44:08 <Stablean> <Troy McClure> it means that if you change the order in one train 12:44:14 <Stablean> <Troy McClure> it changes orders in all the trains with shared orders 12:44:24 <Stablean> <R3D24> how do you do that? 12:44:27 <Stablean> <R3D24> err 12:44:45 <Stablean> <Troy McClure> you know how to copy a train? 12:44:45 <Stablean> <R3D24> it isn't ctrl whilst cloning is it? 12:44:51 <Stablean> <Troy McClure> yes, it is 12:44:53 <Stablean> <R3D24> XD 12:44:59 <Stablean> <Troy McClure> that's how you get shared orders 12:45:01 <Stablean> <R3D24> I call that route sharing 12:45:08 <Stablean> <Troy McClure> okay 12:45:14 <Stablean> <R3D24> I never looked at the orders after doing that XD 12:45:29 <Stablean> <Troy McClure> ERMAHGERD :) 12:45:31 <Stablean> <R3D24> So I've never seen the shared orders thing 12:45:45 <Stablean> <Troy McClure> you could also do it later when filling orders 12:45:51 <Stablean> <R3D24> I feel like an idiot for asking but, CL3? 12:45:54 <Stablean> <Troy McClure> just click ctrl+click on a train 12:46:04 <Stablean> <R3D24> ohh cool 12:46:08 <Stablean> <Troy McClure> yes, CL3 stands for curvelength 3 12:46:11 <Stablean> <R3D24> ahh 12:46:15 <Stablean> <Troy McClure> I usually use CL=TL 12:46:25 <Stablean> <Troy McClure> but you don't have to with slow long trains 12:46:43 <Stablean> <Troy McClure> you could have a rail train with TL 10 and max speed 120 12:46:46 <Stablean> <Troy McClure> and have CL2 12:47:04 <Stablean> <Troy McClure> but the problem at !here is your curvelength 12:47:06 <Stablean> <R3D24> whats with the !here sign? 12:47:17 <Stablean> <R3D24> I'll fix that 12:47:19 <Stablean> <Troy McClure> you see how trains slow down in there? 12:47:45 <Stablean> <Troy McClure> that was totally unnecesary 12:47:48 <Stablean> <Troy McClure> you only need CL 3 12:49:02 <Stablean> <R3D24> I'm lagging out again :\ 12:49:14 <Stablean> *** TWerkhoven joined the game 12:49:38 <Stablean> <R3D24> So TL = CL? 12:49:52 <Stablean> <Troy McClure> TL = trainlength 12:49:56 <Stablean> <Troy McClure> CL = curvelength 12:50:14 <Stablean> <Troy McClure> if you want to go for fast trains, you probably want your TL to equal your CL 12:50:14 <Stablean> <R3D24> but the minimum CL is = to the TL? 12:50:32 <Stablean> <Troy McClure> only with really fast trains, or you have to accept the speed losses 12:50:40 <Stablean> <R3D24> Do we need another train at Plendingham? 12:50:51 <Stablean> <Troy McClure> nope 12:51:03 <Stablean> <Troy McClure> don't make more trains than you can fill your station with 12:51:15 <Stablean> <R3D24> Ohh, how do Industries grow? 12:51:29 <Stablean> <Troy McClure> at an average percentage 12:51:43 <Stablean> <Troy McClure> just expect them to grow 12:52:01 <Stablean> <R3D24> But how do you give the best transport 12:52:11 <Stablean> <Troy McClure> what is 'best'? 12:52:21 <Stablean> <R3D24> 100% Transported 12:52:28 <Stablean> <Troy McClure> well, 100% is hard 12:52:38 <Stablean> <Troy McClure> plus, it's not the goal of coop building 12:52:46 <Stablean> <R3D24> I always load it right as it comes out so it is 100% transported 12:52:49 <Stablean> <Troy McClure> -unfortunately- 12:53:11 <Stablean> <Troy McClure> for 100% you need all new trains, entering at top speed in your station, with a astatue in neaby town 12:53:17 <Stablean> <Troy McClure> and more of that sort nonsense 12:53:24 <Stablean> <Troy McClure> no cargo waiting etc 12:53:27 <Stablean> <R3D24> ahh... 12:53:58 <Stablean> <R3D24> I remember hearing "take it farther, faster, and more of it" 12:54:16 <Stablean> <Troy McClure> well, that's just for the money 12:54:20 <Stablean> <R3D24> ahh 12:54:26 <Stablean> <Troy McClure> if you want to make big cash, you should do that 12:54:28 <Stablean> <R3D24> Money is irelivent 12:54:36 <Stablean> <Troy McClure> but that ALSO is no tthe case 12:54:39 <Stablean> <Troy McClure> yes 12:54:46 <Stablean> <R3D24> Irelivant* (?) 12:54:50 <Stablean> <Troy McClure> sure, enough to keep it running, but that's about it 12:54:52 <Stablean> <Troy McClure> irrelevant 12:54:56 <Stablean> <R3D24> ahh 12:55:10 <Stablean> <R3D24> My spelling isn't the best but I try. 12:55:24 <Stablean> <Troy McClure> haha I've seen worse 12:55:35 <Stablean> <Troy McClure> happy tran sport can't type for one bit 12:55:39 <Stablean> <R3D24> *points at happy* 12:56:17 <Stablean> <Troy McClure> anyways, sweet facs also need other stuff 12:56:20 <Stablean> <Troy McClure> let's connect more 12:56:31 <Stablean> <R3D24> he said to his friend, "hy com ovr her for a minte" 12:56:45 <Stablean> <Troy McClure> yes 12:56:47 <Stablean> <R3D24> And I read, "hey come over here for a mint" 12:56:51 <Stablean> <Troy McClure> the key to understanding him is 12:56:54 <Stablean> <Troy McClure> reading it aloud 12:57:02 <Stablean> <R3D24> XD 12:57:05 <Stablean> <Troy McClure> hehe 12:57:14 <Stablean> <R3D24> Text talk... 12:59:37 <Stablean> <R3D24> thx 12:59:57 <Stablean> <R3D24> I'll do the trains 13:01:32 <Stablean> <Troy McClure> so, this is your basic beginners network 13:01:42 <Stablean> <Troy McClure> not very hard, hacking in when you need to 13:02:01 <Stablean> <R3D24> hacking in? 13:02:23 <Stablean> <Troy McClure> yeah, there's no structure in where you make a join 13:02:31 <Stablean> <R3D24> ahh 13:02:37 <Stablean> <Troy McClure> you don't have SLH's, let alone BBH 13:02:39 <Stablean> <R3D24> Improvising you mean 13:02:45 <Stablean> <Troy McClure> yeah, think so 13:03:00 <Stablean> <Troy McClure> under stress, this network will creat problems 13:03:07 <Stablean> <Troy McClure> do you know where? 13:03:09 <Stablean> <R3D24> Split before merge right? 13:03:31 <Stablean> <R3D24> uhh... I can't see where but I think near the candy factory 13:03:31 <Stablean> <Troy McClure> split before merge is not in the question right now 13:03:39 <Stablean> <Troy McClure> since you only have one end destination 13:03:50 <Stablean> <Troy McClure> you have no splits, only merges :) 13:04:12 <Stablean> <R3D24> ? 13:04:38 <Stablean> <R3D24> isn't that a split at !here? 13:04:56 <Stablean> <Troy McClure> you only have merges on the way to the fac 13:05:03 <Stablean> <R3D24> err I see what you mean now 13:05:05 <Stablean> <Troy McClure> and only splits on the way back 13:05:15 <Stablean> <Troy McClure> a split before merge would be !this 13:05:38 <Stablean> <R3D24> I see now 13:05:44 <Stablean> <Troy McClure> that would be merge before split 13:06:04 <Stablean> <R3D24> how far does it have to be between a split and a merge? 13:06:34 <Stablean> <Troy McClure> new situation, how noobis 13:06:40 <Stablean> <Troy McClure> would be split before merge 13:06:54 <Stablean> <R3D24> what do you mean? 13:07:00 <Stablean> <Troy McClure> and I don't know what you quite mean 13:07:07 <Stablean> <Troy McClure> you see the splits? 13:07:13 <Stablean> <R3D24> yes 13:07:19 <Stablean> <Troy McClure> you see the merge? 13:07:25 <Stablean> <R3D24> Yes 13:07:27 <Stablean> <Troy McClure> those splits are before the merge 13:07:33 <Stablean> <Troy McClure> that's how you want it to be 13:07:39 <Stablean> <R3D24> but what about prio's 13:07:51 <Stablean> <Troy McClure> of course, we have CL1 over there, plus a tunnel, so a gap of 3 13:07:53 <Stablean> <Troy McClure> b 13:07:56 <Stablean> <Troy McClure> prios 13:08:10 <Stablean> <Troy McClure> prios are used when you need priority of one lane over the other 13:08:28 <Stablean> <R3D24> thats only on the ML right? 13:08:34 <Stablean> <Troy McClure> usually the more important (network) line, over less important (network) line 13:08:42 <Stablean> *** Player has left the game (downloading map took too long) 13:08:42 <Stablean> *** Player has left the game (connection lost) 13:09:04 <Stablean> <Troy McClure> you could, you could also use it inside Side Lines, but that's usually a sign you have to increase capacity on sideline shortly 13:09:22 <Stablean> <R3D24> So it goes ICL < SL < ML 13:09:33 <Stablean> *** happy tran {} sport joined the game 13:09:34 <Stablean> <Troy McClure> ICL? 13:09:34 <Stablean> <R3D24> ICL = Industry Conection Line 13:09:36 <Stablean> <Troy McClure> hi happy 13:09:39 <Stablean> <happy tran sport> hi troy 13:09:54 <Stablean> <Troy McClure> yeah, those are (generally) less important than SL, and those are less than ML 13:09:57 <Stablean> <R3D24> hy hpy trn spt, hws it gng? 13:10:00 <Stablean> <Troy McClure> unless near a major station 13:10:26 <Stablean> <happy tran sport> hi all 13:10:32 <Stablean> <happy tran sport> how things troy 13:10:34 <Stablean> <R3D24> Factories not being a ICL right? 13:10:36 <Stablean> <Troy McClure> okay 13:10:50 <Stablean> <Troy McClure> no, generally, you want full throughput there 13:11:00 <Stablean> <Troy McClure> look near Huwood Valley 13:11:23 <Stablean> <R3D24> where? 13:11:25 <Stablean> <Troy McClure> I cheated a bit, since I seperated the drop and pickup station by a long distance 13:11:27 <Stablean> <Troy McClure> light blue 13:12:09 <Stablean> <R3D24> dang thats alot of trains 13:12:29 <Stablean> <happy tran sport> yep 13:13:43 <Stablean> <R3D24> I wish I knew how to build stations like that 13:13:49 <Stablean> <Troy McClure> :) 13:13:51 <Stablean> <R3D24> It just flows so smoothly! 13:13:53 <Stablean> <Troy McClure> you will 13:14:19 <Stablean> <Troy McClure> it really isn't that hard, not the stations at least 13:14:41 <Stablean> <Troy McClure> the prios on the lines are a bit short tho 13:14:44 <Stablean> *** TWerkhoven has left the game (leaving) 13:15:04 <Stablean> <Troy McClure> and you see the backing up of some trains 13:15:27 <Stablean> <Troy McClure> the first 80% of flow will cost you 20% of the effort, the other 20% will cost you 80% 13:15:42 <Stablean> <R3D24> uhh... 13:15:50 <Stablean> <R3D24> It looks fine to me 13:16:04 <Stablean> <Troy McClure> = it's easy to build it reasonably good 13:16:10 <Stablean> <Troy McClure> it's a lot harder to improve it 13:16:20 <Stablean> <Troy McClure> do you see !this? 13:17:03 <Stablean> <Troy McClure> that's trains stopping, not flowing :) 13:17:17 <Stablean> <R3D24> but only for a second at a time 13:17:23 <Stablean> <Troy McClure> yes 13:17:33 <Stablean> <Troy McClure> and that's the last 20% of flow 13:18:33 <Stablean> <Troy McClure> I saw that problem and the uneven distribution of trains over the 2 rails 13:18:40 <Stablean> <Troy McClure> that's why I built !thishere 13:19:02 <Stablean> <Troy McClure> but that was actually circumventing the problem, not solving it 13:19:36 <Stablean> *** Troy McClure has joined company #3 13:19:38 <Stablean> <R3D24> so the "Goal" of ottd is to build a huge network with no stoppage? 13:19:48 <Stablean> <Troy McClure> ottdcoop 13:19:54 <Stablean> <Troy McClure> well, V would probably disagree 13:20:04 <Stablean> <Troy McClure> but I think that pretty much sums it up 13:21:03 <Stablean> <R3D24> Now is it time to do something with all that candy 13:21:50 <Stablean> <R3D24> err I have to go now 13:21:53 <Stablean> <Troy McClure> bb 13:21:56 <Stablean> <R3D24> See you all later 13:21:59 <Stablean> <happy tran sport> bb 13:22:01 <Stablean> *** R3D24 has left the game (leaving) 13:24:18 <Stablean> <happy tran sport> troy i dont not no the best way to this slh doo i doo 2 slh or just doo won big won 13:24:56 <Stablean> <Troy McClure> where? 13:25:06 <Stablean> *** happy tran {} sport has joined company #2 13:25:36 <Stablean> <happy tran sport> see my sign say slh at this or this 2 13:26:02 <Stablean> <Troy McClure> you're going to do anything with the candy and fizzy drinks? 13:26:36 <Stablean> <happy tran sport> yep but i got to finsh the 2 way ml of 13:27:32 <Stablean> *** V453000 joined the game 13:27:34 <Stablean> <V453000> mu 13:27:36 <Stablean> <happy tran sport> hi v 13:27:43 <Stablean> <Troy McClure> lo 13:28:03 <Stablean> <Troy McClure> lots of industries, best make it 2 slh's 13:28:13 <Stablean> <happy tran sport> ok 13:28:33 <Stablean> <V453000> I think you could say that the aimed result of openttd gameplay is to build a big network, but it is a bit more complicated than that :) 13:28:45 <Stablean> <V453000> but basically I would agree 13:28:52 <Stablean> <V453000> with some buts :) 13:28:58 <Stablean> <Troy McClure> I KNEW IT 13:29:16 <Stablean> <Troy McClure> sometimes I wonder if you have problems 'just' agreeing 13:29:22 <Stablean> <Troy McClure> ;) 13:29:36 <Stablean> <V453000> it is rare I admit 13:30:07 <Stablean> <V453000> but you cant just agree with something if it has some side things to note :P 13:30:45 <Stablean> <Troy McClure> true, but your stance is always: no, unless by x you mean... and by ... 13:30:51 <Stablean> <Troy McClure> which is valid 13:30:58 <Stablean> <Troy McClure> but you could also say: 13:31:12 <Stablean> <Troy McClure> yes, if you mean x to be ... etc. 13:31:26 <Stablean> <Troy McClure> but I'm used to it ;) 13:31:48 <Stablean> <V453000> hmm 13:31:51 <Stablean> <V453000> cant say I realize that, BUT 13:31:57 <Stablean> <Troy McClure> AAARGH 13:31:59 <Stablean> <V453000> if you said Yes, they wouldnt read the rest anyway 13:32:01 <Stablean> <V453000> SO 13:32:03 <Stablean> <V453000> yes 13:32:03 <Stablean> <V453000> :P 13:32:09 <Stablean> <Troy McClure> okay :) 13:32:31 <Stablean> <V453000> no, I just say what I think and it is as simple as that. :) 13:32:53 <Stablean> <Troy McClure> having a better day today, V? 13:33:39 <Stablean> *** happy tran {} sport has joined spectators 13:36:32 <Stablean> <V453000> I have been on 3 work meetings so far, 1 more to go 13:36:34 <Stablean> <V453000> not sure 13:36:45 <Stablean> <V453000> evening guarantees beer so cant bet worse 13:37:03 <Stablean> <Troy McClure> I mean, you understand how the chami's work again? 13:37:03 <Stablean> <V453000> than yesterday 13:37:13 <Stablean> <V453000> I got that sorted out already 13:38:45 <Stablean> <Troy McClure> V, has there ever been a game which tried to pack the trains as densely as possible, but still flowing? 13:41:32 <Stablean> <V453000> you havent seen pzg 13 did you 13:41:57 <Stablean> <V453000> aka answer is YES 13:42:25 <Stablean> *** Pravdik joined the game 13:42:30 <Stablean> <V453000> also you need an older revision of openttd to run it ... I might create a "modern" version sometime 13:42:42 <Stablean> <V453000> there were changes in acceleration so it obviously breaks 13:42:44 <Stablean> <V453000> but the idea is clear 13:42:50 <Stablean> <Troy McClure> hmm, okay 13:43:04 <Stablean> <Troy McClure> cause I was wondering, sometimes I see screenshots from some games, and I think: 13:43:14 <Stablean> <Troy McClure> jeez, so much rails but only one train on it 13:44:24 <Stablean> <V453000> well with strong trains you get the "packing" kind of automatically 13:44:28 <Stablean> <Dom> we need faster boats :) 13:45:10 <Stablean> <Troy McClure> yes, you need lots of hp/ton for dense packing 13:45:28 <Stablean> <Troy McClure> i'm probably talking shit again, in your opinion 13:45:30 <Stablean> <Troy McClure> but /care 13:45:40 <Stablean> <V453000> im just not sure what is your point 13:46:02 <Stablean> <V453000> yes, with strong enough trains it is not worth it to attempt to "pack" trains with other mechanisms 13:46:37 <Stablean> <V453000> it of course does not relate only to power of trains, but it is only considerable if it is worth something :) 13:46:43 <Stablean> <Troy McClure> well, I was thinking how ottdcoop building style would cope with high property maintenance costs 13:46:47 <Stablean> <Troy McClure> and other costs 13:46:51 <Stablean> *** Player has left the game (general timeout) 13:46:51 <Stablean> *** Player has left the game (connection lost) 13:47:01 <Stablean> <Troy McClure> and I know, you don't care about money 13:47:43 <Stablean> <Troy McClure> but I would think that the community might be albe to learn something when external conditions (running costs, property maintenance costs) are different 13:47:46 <Stablean> <Troy McClure> and more restrictive 13:48:33 <Stablean> *** Player has left the game (leaving) 13:49:02 <Stablean> <Troy McClure> as ottdcoop depends somewhat on expanding rails everywhere, and partly on 'comunication' rails, like prios, but also gates 13:49:17 <Stablean> <V453000> the mainline is as dense as nobody builds 13:49:39 <Stablean> <Troy McClure> how do you mean? 13:49:46 <Stablean> <Troy McClure> nobody builds a more dense ML? 13:50:00 <Stablean> <V453000> any "other" building style does not contrain as saturated traffic 13:50:10 <Stablean> <V453000> unless you do point to point with everything fully used 13:51:32 <Stablean> <Troy McClure> yes, flexibility in destinations comes at a cost 13:52:02 <Stablean> <Troy McClure> Dom, watch your cash 13:52:49 <Stablean> <V453000> it is a part of the reason why I consider maintenance costs worthless ... obviously there is the first thing that they just slow down gameplay by costs, but the real point is that they do not add anything interesting 13:53:09 <Stablean> <Troy McClure> not by itself 13:53:11 <Stablean> <V453000> obviously causing emphasis on more traffic per rail is cute 13:53:21 <Stablean> <Troy McClure> 'cute' :) 13:53:23 <Stablean> <V453000> but that only means separate smaller networks 13:54:17 <Stablean> <Troy McClure> so, when looking at the title picture of times SML/PZG13, I do still see a lot of 'empty' rails 13:54:55 <Stablean> <Troy McClure> and that's what I mean 13:55:01 <Stablean> <Troy McClure> stil, just wondering 13:55:47 <Stablean> <V453000> well if it is a split into 3 rails because the station covers 63 tiles x 10 sets otherwise it does not even fit, you cant really do it in another way 13:56:05 <Stablean> <V453000> in that game that station is actually the only option 13:57:53 <Stablean> <V453000> packing your ML doesnt mean use all lines everywhere in every point with max traffic 14:00:31 <Stablean> <Troy McClure> yes, but can you see my initial stance if I look at that: well, that's a lot of empty (so useless) rails? 14:00:43 <Stablean> <Troy McClure> I'll take your word on that account anytime tho 14:01:22 <Stablean> <V453000> well but that is an aim generally 14:01:29 <Stablean> <V453000> making things small also means using rails effectively 14:01:35 *** Dom_ has quit IRC 14:01:48 <Stablean> <V453000> that this station is rather long is because it has extreme requirements and problems with station spread 14:01:54 <Stablean> *** Dom has left the game (general timeout) 14:01:54 <Stablean> *** Dom has left the game (connection lost) 14:02:12 <Stablean> <V453000> but station of this throughput would not get much more "effective" by any other design, of that I am fairly sure 14:02:42 <Stablean> *** Pravdik has left the game (leaving) 14:03:19 <Stablean> <V453000> note that due to the traffic each of the line is even halved from the ML, not even full 14:03:29 <Stablean> <V453000> that is how extreme requirements it had 14:03:51 <Stablean> <V453000> mostly caused by the 643 speed vs. long-ass unloading 14:04:11 <Stablean> <V453000> and obviously the packing, not to mention total throughput 14:04:25 <Stablean> <V453000> idk how many platforms are there per line ... 20? 14:05:07 <Stablean> <V453000> 32 platforms per one line 14:05:09 <Stablean> <V453000> 32 14:05:24 <Stablean> <V453000> things like NUTS slugs can deal with 4 in normal traffic 14:05:58 <Stablean> <V453000> either way, your attempt is realizable, but unrelated to that game 14:06:14 <Stablean> <Troy McClure> okay 14:06:33 <Stablean> <Troy McClure> and the 20 platforms per line is due to ... 14:06:37 <Stablean> <V453000> having strong/superstrong even trains would make sense to do that 14:06:41 <Stablean> <V453000> 32 not 20 14:06:53 <Stablean> <V453000> due to extremely high packing of the main line 14:07:04 <Stablean> <V453000> 36 built, 32 used 14:07:06 <Stablean> <Troy McClure> hmm 14:07:17 <Stablean> <V453000> could be 31 but lets consider that not important 14:07:40 <Stablean> <V453000> hm nope, is 32, checked 14:07:42 <Stablean> <Troy McClure> I really can't imagine why you would use so many, with 'normal' unloading loading times 14:07:56 <Stablean> <Troy McClure> how long did it take to unload/load? 14:07:56 <Stablean> <V453000> 643kmh 14:07:58 <Stablean> <V453000> like 10 stages 14:08:05 <Stablean> <V453000> maybe 8 or something 14:08:08 <Stablean> <Troy McClure> yes, speeds starts to make a difference at some point 14:08:20 <Stablean> <V453000> speeds make brutal difference 14:08:26 <Stablean> <Troy McClure> and all 32 were filled at some pont? 14:08:29 <Stablean> <V453000> yes 14:08:32 <Stablean> <V453000> all 32 used 14:08:54 <Stablean> <V453000> well you can have all of them filled at the same time, some need to be free for the next 14:09:13 <Stablean> <V453000> as you can see in the game, it the last set of 4 out of 36 platforms is always empty 14:09:19 <Stablean> <Troy McClure> so, if I freeze t he game, and check how much platforma are occupied (either loading, arriving or leaving) , there would 32 platforms? 14:09:22 <Stablean> <V453000> rest of the 32 is regularly serviced 14:10:00 <Stablean> <V453000> very close to that number yes 14:10:02 <Stablean> <Troy McClure> hmm, okay 14:10:04 <Stablean> <V453000> counting like 28 now 14:10:08 <Stablean> <Troy McClure> but I mean, look at Huwood Valley 14:10:15 <Stablean> <V453000> just load the save of pzg13? ... 14:10:27 <Stablean> <Troy McClure> I would bet that at one time, no more than 8 are actually occupied 14:10:57 <Stablean> <V453000> diferent station, and yes there is more than needed 14:11:03 <Stablean> <V453000> you dont need 6 with maglev 14:11:17 <Stablean> <Troy McClure> I know, didn't build it for maglev though 14:11:19 <Stablean> <V453000> 5 should od I think 14:11:29 <Stablean> <V453000> how is that relevant what you built it for :d 14:11:39 <Stablean> <Troy McClure> built it under capacity 14:11:53 <Stablean> <Troy McClure> just changed rails 14:12:11 <Stablean> <V453000> -> ? :d how does it relate to the previous discussion? 14:12:13 <Stablean> <Troy McClure> for monorail I actually needed more than this, but not anymore with maglev 14:12:19 <Stablean> <Troy McClure> nothing, just a sidetrack 14:12:25 <Stablean> <V453000> obviously, since monorail has 5 loading stages instead of 3 14:12:29 <Stablean> <Troy McClure> but the number of platforms occupied 14:13:31 <Stablean> <V453000> well, what then :d 14:13:37 <Stablean> <Troy McClure> oh 14:13:39 <Stablean> <V453000> this is a relatively dense point I assume 14:13:54 <Stablean> <Troy McClure> just wanted to make sure that at one point 32 platforms were actually occupied 14:13:57 <Stablean> <Troy McClure> in pzg 13 14:14:07 <Stablean> <V453000> 30 are at bottom set 14:15:02 <Stablean> <Troy McClure> I'll check it out later 14:15:08 <Stablean> <Troy McClure> I'm going to go now 14:15:14 <Stablean> *** Troy McClure has joined spectators 14:15:14 <Stablean> *** Game paused (number of players) 14:15:14 <Stablean> <happy tran sport> bb 14:15:14 <Stablean> <V453000> bye 14:15:49 <Stablean> <Troy McClure> bye 14:15:55 <Stablean> *** Troy McClure has left the game (leaving) 14:19:31 <Stablean> *** happy tran sport has left the game (leaving) 14:50:13 *** molv has joined #openttdcoop.stable 15:12:20 <Stablean> *** Game still paused (number of players) 15:49:40 <Stablean> *** Game still paused (number of players) 15:49:42 <Stablean> *** Phillip joined the game 15:51:02 <Stablean> *** Phillip has left the game (leaving) 15:54:35 *** BiG_MeEcH has quit IRC 16:05:35 *** Dom_ has joined #openttdcoop.stable 16:23:30 <Stablean> *** Game still paused (number of players) 16:23:31 <Stablean> *** happy tran {} sport joined the game 16:26:04 <Stablean> *** happy tran sport has left the game (leaving) 16:31:47 <Stablean> *** Game still paused (number of players) 16:31:50 <Stablean> *** Dom joined the game 16:31:54 <Stablean> <Dom> hi 16:32:20 <Stablean> *** Dom has requested an admin. (Note: Admin will read back on irc, so please do already write down your request, no need to wait.) 16:37:02 <Stablean> *** Game still paused (number of players) 16:37:05 <Stablean> *** Troy McClure joined the game 16:37:12 <Stablean> <Dom> hi 16:37:26 <Stablean> <Troy McClure> hi 16:38:06 <Stablean> *** Troy McClure has joined company #3 16:38:06 <Stablean> *** Game unpaused (number of players) 16:39:04 <Stablean> *** Dom has left the game (leaving) 16:41:49 *** Jam35 has joined #openttdcoop.stable 16:45:43 <Stablean> *** happy tran {} sport joined the game 16:51:01 <Stablean> *** Jam35 joined the game 16:51:04 <Stablean> <happy tran sport> hi jam 16:51:11 <Stablean> <Jam35> hi 16:51:14 <Stablean> <Troy McClure> hi 16:51:21 <Stablean> <Jam35> hi 16:52:56 <Stablean> <happy tran sport> how things 16:53:00 <Stablean> <happy tran sport> jam 16:53:10 <Stablean> <Jam35> ok 16:53:16 <Stablean> <Jam35> you? 16:53:18 <Stablean> <happy tran sport> good 16:54:33 <Stablean> <happy tran sport> jam can u give me a hand whive sume thin 16:54:43 <Stablean> *** happy tran {} sport has joined company #2 16:54:48 <Stablean> <Jam35> slh at this2 ? :) 16:55:06 <Stablean> <happy tran sport> yep and slh at this 16:55:14 <Stablean> <Jam35> hmmm :D 16:55:16 <Stablean> <Jam35> okay 16:55:34 <Stablean> *** Jam35 has joined company #2 16:55:46 <Stablean> <Jam35> whadda ya wanna do? 16:58:25 <Stablean> <Jam35> Its pretty much one hub 16:58:39 <Stablean> <Jam35> just theres a mine in the middle of it 17:05:38 <Stablean> *** Jam35 has joined spectators 17:05:44 <Stablean> <Jam35> eating afk ish 17:14:18 *** Dom_ has quit IRC 17:14:46 *** Dom_ has joined #openttdcoop.stable 17:26:20 *** BiG_MeEcH has joined #openttdcoop.stable 17:26:31 <BiG_MeEcH> !players 17:26:33 <Stablean> BiG_MeEcH: Client 516 (Red) is happy tran sport, in company 2 (happy tran sport Transport) 17:26:33 <Stablean> BiG_MeEcH: Client 496 is V453000, a spectator 17:26:33 <Stablean> BiG_MeEcH: Client 514 (Blue) is Troy McClure, in company 3 (BiGwetRAILS COOP LLC & CO. LTD.) 17:26:33 <Stablean> BiG_MeEcH: Client 518 is Jam35, a spectator 17:26:39 <Stablean> <happy tran sport> troy is this slh ok 17:26:47 <BiG_MeEcH> Im gonna try and join 17:26:52 <Stablean> <Troy McClure> sec 17:26:54 <Stablean> <happy tran sport> ok 17:27:18 <Stablean> *** Big Meech joined the game 17:27:23 <Stablean> <happy tran sport> hi big 17:27:26 <Stablean> <Big Meech> yo 17:27:32 <Stablean> <happy tran sport> how things 17:27:34 <Stablean> <Troy McClure> yo 17:27:48 <Stablean> <Big Meech> good, yo 17:27:55 <Stablean> <happy tran sport> good 17:27:59 <Stablean> <Big Meech> tired 17:29:10 <Stablean> *** Jam35 has joined company #2 17:35:42 <Stablean> *** Troy McClure has joined spectators 17:35:45 <Stablean> *** Troy McClure has left the game (leaving) 17:39:10 <Stablean> *** happy tran sport has left the game (leaving) 17:46:31 <Stablean> *** {[FR]Syl59} joined the game 17:47:47 <Stablean> <[FR]Syl59> o/ 17:47:59 <Stablean> <Jam35> hiya 17:53:47 <Stablean> *** Big Meech has left the game (general timeout) 17:53:47 <Stablean> *** Big Meech has left the game (connection lost) 17:56:45 <Stablean> *** Jam35 has joined spectators 17:56:45 <Stablean> *** Game paused (number of players) 17:57:01 <Stablean> *** [FR]Syl59 has left the game (leaving) 18:02:06 <Stablean> *** Jam35 has joined company #2 18:02:06 <Stablean> *** Game unpaused (number of players) 18:11:42 <Stablean> *** Jam35 has joined spectators 18:11:42 <Stablean> *** Game paused (number of players) 18:12:28 <Stablean> *** Jam35 has joined company #2 18:12:28 <Stablean> *** Game unpaused (number of players) 18:19:15 <Stablean> *** R3D24 joined the game 18:19:49 <Stablean> *** R3D24 has joined company #10 18:20:25 <Stablean> <R3D24> Afternoon all 18:29:29 <Stablean> *** happy tran {} sport joined the game 18:29:40 <Stablean> <R3D24> hllo hpy hws it gong 18:29:51 <Stablean> <happy tran sport> hi and good 18:30:06 <Stablean> <R3D24> lol I love mocking text talk :P 18:30:08 <Stablean> *** happy tran {} sport has joined company #2 18:45:44 <Stablean> *** R3D24 has left the game (leaving) 18:46:13 *** ODM has joined #openttdcoop.stable 18:46:13 *** ChanServ sets mode: +o ODM 19:09:02 <Stablean> *** happy tran sport has left the game (general timeout) 19:09:02 <Stablean> *** happy tran sport has left the game (connection lost) 19:09:38 <Stablean> *** happy tran {} sport joined the game 19:10:05 <Stablean> *** happy tran {} sport has joined company #2 19:21:50 *** Dom_ has quit IRC 19:25:19 <Stablean> *** Jam35 has joined spectators 19:25:23 <Stablean> *** Jam35 has started a new company (#6) 19:25:31 <Stablean> *** Jam35 has joined company #2 19:29:46 *** Dom_ has joined #openttdcoop.stable 19:45:15 <Stablean> *** happy tran sport has left the game (general timeout) 19:45:15 <Stablean> *** happy tran sport has left the game (connection lost) 19:45:46 <Stablean> *** happy tran {} sport joined the game 19:46:14 <Stablean> *** happy tran sport has left the game (general timeout) 19:46:14 <Stablean> *** happy tran sport has left the game (connection lost) 19:47:13 <Stablean> *** happy tran {} sport joined the game 19:47:20 <Stablean> *** Diablo joined the game 19:47:54 <Stablean> *** happy tran {} sport has joined company #2 19:48:34 <Stablean> *** Diablo has joined company #1 19:49:46 <Stablean> <happy tran sport> hi diablo how things 19:50:16 <Stablean> <Diablo> hi happy, well its cold here 19:50:46 <Stablean> <happy tran sport> its not to bad in uk 19:50:56 <Stablean> <happy tran sport> be back later 19:50:59 <Stablean> *** happy tran sport has left the game (leaving) 20:12:08 <Stablean> *** Diablo has left the game (leaving) 20:19:44 <Stablean> *** V453000 has left the game (leaving) 21:02:55 <Stablean> *** Jam35 has left the game (general timeout) 21:02:55 <Stablean> *** Jam35 has left the game (connection lost) 21:02:57 <Stablean> *** Game paused (number of players) 21:03:11 *** ODM has quit IRC 21:03:42 *** Jam35 has quit IRC 21:39:15 *** molv is now known as molv_ 21:39:36 *** molv_ is now known as molv